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| [00:05:51] | jannau: | jya: please setup ssh keys if you can, git over http is very inefficient |
| [00:08:24] | xris: | markk_: you need ssh keys to do that |
| [00:10:42] | markk_: | xris: yup – I see that now.:) |
| [00:10:44] | jya: | jannau: is it? I've always used git over http |
| [00:13:05] | jya: | what is this .3GB limit showing in the github dashboard? |
| [00:13:42] | xris: | markk_: and I don't see you as a dev for mythtv |
| [00:13:46] | xris: | what's your github username? |
| [00:14:06] | Beirdo: | jya: don't worry about the limit |
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| [00:14:31] | markk_: | xris: mark-kendall |
| [00:14:34] | jya: | 300MB is huge anyway.. but was wondering.. especially as I saw people with error earlier here |
| [00:14:36] | Beirdo: | as long as we are "reasonable", they don't do anything |
| [00:14:50] | xris: | markk_: ok, you're added |
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| [00:15:23] | jya: | once you've done a clone using https, is there an equivalent ti svn switch so it now uses the ssh access ? |
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| [00:16:03] | superm1: | jya, modify .git/config |
| [00:16:14] | jya: | that easy? |
| [00:16:16] | superm1: | that's where it stores the urls for the different branches and repos it knows about |
| [00:16:33] | superm1: | yeah, it should be that easy |
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| [00:17:52] | jya: | ah yes it was |
| [00:17:55] | jya: | cool |
| [00:17:59] | xris: | jya: I think there's also a way to re-point the local checkout to an entirely different repository |
| [00:18:28] | markk_: | so presumably once I've set up my ssh keys, I need to use the same keys on my different boxes? |
| [00:18:39] | jya: | I always used git over https ... so never had to worry about htis |
| [00:18:40] | kormoc: | markk_, or add them all to github |
| [00:18:49] | superm1: | it's probably smarter to add different keys for different boxes |
| [00:19:03] | jya: | superm1: you only need to export the public key |
| [00:19:32] | superm1: | right, but i'm saying to have a different public/private key for each box. if for some reason that box is ever compromised, you aren't risking all your boxes |
| [00:19:37] | jya: | I use one private key on my development PC for everything.. private key is only stored there |
| [00:20:11] | jya: | even if compromise, those boxes would still not have your private key |
| [00:20:40] | jya: | or by "boxes" you mean the dev machine with the private key? |
| [00:20:56] | superm1: | i mean individual dev machines should each have their own private key and public key |
| [00:21:40] | jya: | I do public/private key per project.. find it easier that way |
| [00:21:47] | jya: | rather than per machine |
| [00:21:51] | xris: | markk_: github uses a single user account (git@) and different ssh keys to track users on the system |
| [00:21:56] | jannau: | jya: git remote set-url origin new_url |
| [00:22:03] | xris: | jannau: thanks. :) |
| [00:22:21] | jya: | jannau: I edited .git/config seems to work |
| [00:22:39] | jannau: | it's the same as editing .git/config |
| [00:24:17] | jya: | jannau: when you say that git over http isn't efficient, where exactly isn't it efficient ? is that with the use of bandwidth ? |
| [00:25:04] | iamlindoro: | paul-h, In answer to your question, patch in #9301 works incredibly well for me, needs to be applied on both front and backend (and only pertains to youtube and vimeo for now) but you get a fullscreen player controllable by the remote, including play/pause/seeking |
| [00:25:25] | iamlindoro: | paul-h, Very very cool stuff-- exactly the kind of experience I had always hoped to attain with MNV |
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| [00:26:36] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Yay! now to get hulu working on it ;) |
| [00:26:43] | xris: | jya: wait, why are you using https and not ssh? |
| [00:27:03] | jya: | xris: because typing a password once, is much easier than using ssh keys :) |
| [00:27:10] | jannau: | jya: yes |
| [00:27:19] | xris: | jya: huh? |
| [00:27:20] | jya: | I've now switched to ssh... |
| [00:27:26] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Heh, first we need to get the patches to mythbrowser and mythuiwebbrowser committed, then I can commit the MNV changes and turn RDV_Linux loose on them ;) |
| [00:27:45] | xris: | then again, I never have to type my ssh keyphrase.. my mac keeps it in the keychain and my logging into the box unlocks it. :) |
| [00:27:48] | jya: | xris: github supports both https and ssh for read/write access, so I first cloned using the https URL |
| [00:28:08] | xris: | jya: also... man ssh-agent |
| [00:28:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, But minimally, perfect fullscreen playback of youtube and vimeo, and any other player that supports javascript control can have it added-- totally seamless and controllable from the remote |
| [00:28:56] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Aye, that's awesome, I'm really excited to see that :) |
| [00:29:03] | jya: | xris: the issue wasn't about how to use ssh (I now how to), more so that doing a clone via https required less configuration. just type git clone https://blah, entered my github password and that was it |
| [00:29:16] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, And no flash capture of focus, either |
| [00:29:19] | xris: | I just typed: git clone git@github.com :MythTV/mythweb.git |
| [00:29:29] | xris: | how is that different? I didn't even have to enter a password |
| [00:29:47] | jya: | yes, but for that you have to get your public key, enter it in the github config etc. |
| [00:30:21] | xris: | I did that months ago for beirdobot |
| [00:30:35] | jya: | you also had to do gid config set up the user address... |
| [00:30:42] | xris: | huh? |
| [00:30:47] | jya: | it's a moot point now |
| [00:30:57] | xris: | heh |
| [00:31:10] | jya: | I've configured git for ssh... but I've always used git over https, and it's never been an issue for me |
| [00:31:17] | jya: | same with svn.. |
| [00:31:41] | jya: | from an administration point of view, configuring access property in apache is much easier |
| [00:33:08] | xris: | except setting it up in the first place |
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| [00:38:50] | knightr: | xris, Hi! I just created my github account, it's nriendeau and I used my nriendeau@mythorg.org address. |
| [00:39:26] | stuartm: | knightr: mythtv.org |
| [00:40:05] | xris: | knightr: done |
| [00:40:07] | jannau: | knightr: added |
| [00:40:12] | xris: | heh |
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| [00:40:37] | knightr: | stuartm, yep, sorry, had a long day... This is the first time ever I mistype MythTV, I swear... ;) |
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| [00:40:42] | jannau: | it was probably xris |
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| [00:40:53] | knightr: | xris and/or jannau, thanks! |
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| [00:55:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc_afk, paul-h: http://fecitfacta.com/flashplayer.ogg #9301 in action, all controlled from the remote |
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| [02:24:23] | iamlindoro: | markk_, danielk22, nice on the ringbuffer refactor-- now we just need an HTTP ringbuffer ;) |
| [02:27:00] | markk_: | iamlindoro: don't let us stop you :) |
| [02:27:10] | iamlindoro: | heh, I keep actually starting and stopping on one, hoenstly |
| [02:28:30] | markk_: | I started one a while back and just got too frustrated – between the ringbuffer code and the Qt event model it wasn't pleasant:) |
| [02:29:02] | iamlindoro: | I can't help but feel that there's probably a better way than I keep trying, ffmpeg has all sorts of code to handle http, rtsp, mms, etc., and I need to figure out how all that works so we gain support for them all at once |
| [02:32:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I've thought the same about the ffmpeg code as well. our ringbuffer could be made 'pluggable', just like we plug in our ringbuffer into libav*. could possibly use the same plugin architecture. |
| [02:32:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah, would be great |
| [02:33:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | thinking about it, that doesn't actually seem that hard based on what I've seen of the way we plugin to libav* |
| [02:34:20] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, it really doesn't seem like there should be that much code involved-- I *think* parsing the URLs is all done internal to libav* |
| [02:34:58] | iamlindoro: | So it may just be a matter of writing the special cases for the various MRLs supported into our RB |
| [02:35:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, they just have different handlers based on the proto. we register 'rbuffer' as ours. |
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| [02:42:07] | markk_: | hrm – yes – should be pretty straightforward – avringbuffer.h |
| [02:42:16] | markk_: | never really paid much attention to that before |
| [02:46:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | avio.c actually, this is coming back to me now. we should be able to substitute in calls to url_* (url_open, url_close, url_seek, url_read, etc.) if we're operating on a non-local, non-myth://, non-DVD, non-BD file. |
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| [02:46:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | libavformat/avio.c that is. |
| [02:46:50] | iamlindoro: | How do you guys like my aikido development? |
| [02:46:59] | iamlindoro: | tiny pressure applied in the right place and time |
| [02:47:01] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [02:48:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | so if we see a http:// url, we call url_open which gives us a URLContext. we use that to key off of later, to know when to call url_read() vs read(), etc.. |
| [02:49:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | and now /me goes to read that commit log which sounds interesting. |
| [02:49:32] | markk_: | Captain_Murdoch: you have 5 minutes to generate a fully functioning patch... 3 2 1 -> Go... |
| [02:49:51] | ** Captain_Murdoch is holding a 4-month old right now and typing very slowly. ** | |
| [02:50:08] | iamlindoro: | okay, 10 minutes on account of half the normal number of hands |
| [02:50:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | although he's just going to sleep, so I may look into it. it has my curiousity up very high |
| [02:50:57] | iamlindoro: | I have wanted it for MNV for a while, as there is a lot of raw video out there that it would be nice to play directly in the player |
| [02:51:31] | markk_: | iamlindoro: and http:// is the default for upnp |
| [02:51:51] | iamlindoro: | markk_, And adding rtsp, mms, etc. "channels," etc... lots of possibilities |
| [02:53:28] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of which, if we can convince the core player to stream music-only files (mp3, etc) without complaining about waiting for video buffers, I know that RDV_Linux has long wanted to write music scripts for MNV too |
| [02:54:20] | iamlindoro: | s/core/Internal/ |
| [02:57:35] | markk_: | iamlindoro: it's on my todo list. in fact the bare bones were there but it broke dvb radio channels so was disabled before 0.24 |
| [02:58:05] | iamlindoro: | markk_, Yeah, not meaning to lead things on your shoulders at all, just getting carried away in the possibilities :) |
| [02:58:09] | iamlindoro: | er load |
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| [03:03:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, /me goes to look at hacking in url_* as a test. |
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| [03:26:06] | elmojo: | so when we sign up for github do we give a mythtv.org address or our real e-mail address? |
| [03:28:23] | iamlindoro: | apparently the former |
| [03:30:35] | elmojo: | ok and just let xris know which "real" e-mail address to forward to the mythtv.org one |
| [03:31:53] | elmojo: | I might need to wait for the alias to be setup first or the github registration might bounce |
| [03:32:13] | xris: | or let Beirdo know. /me stuck between cooking dinner and software fire at work |
| [03:33:15] | Beirdo: | you can give github any email you want, but you need to add the mythtv.org one as well |
| [03:33:38] | Beirdo: | it will let you have multiple email addresses on your github account |
| [03:33:48] | xris: | Beirdo: it's for mythtv.org forwarding |
| [03:33:55] | Beirdo: | but yeah, let us know where you'd like the mythtv.org one pointing |
| [03:41:57] | Beirdo: | 32263C24425 4044 Thu Dec 2 01:47:56 mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org |
| [03:41:57] | Beirdo: | (delivery temporarily suspended: host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[206.190.54.127] refuse |
| [03:41:57] | Beirdo: | d to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 140.211.167.131 temporarily deferred due to user complaints – 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html) |
| [03:42:14] | Beirdo: | nice. Yahoo has us on the "naughty" list |
| [03:42:32] | Beirdo: | Yahoo mail is retarded |
| [03:42:56] | Beirdo: | some dillhole has spamacct11@yahoo.com |
| [03:43:06] | Beirdo: | on the -users list. Wonderful |
| [03:50:49] | xris: | Beirdo: and yahoo thinks we're spamming him, or he's spamming us and yahoo is pissed at us for some reason? |
| [03:51:20] | ** iamlindoro is very excited to have someone even looking at these sorts of things ** | |
| [03:52:27] | Beirdo: | Yahoo's horrible for any mailing list use, I've found |
| [03:52:46] | Beirdo: | if you send too much mail their way, they greylist, then blacklist the mail relay |
| [03:53:00] | Beirdo: | causing queues that get quite long for no good reason |
| [03:53:05] | Beirdo: | it's a MAILING LIST, people |
| [03:57:23] | Beirdo: | http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmas . . . 21-ts01.html |
| [03:57:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:59:00] | elmojo: | are there any directions on setting up keys for use with github? |
| [03:59:20] | Beirdo: | they likely have some |
| [03:59:46] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I found a guide there earlier |
| [04:00:06] | iamlindoro: | http://help.github.com/linux-key-setup/ |
| [04:00:12] | sphery: | elmojo: https://github.com/account#keys + http://help.github.com/linux-key-setup/ |
| [04:00:18] | elmojo: | thanks |
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| [04:00:32] | Beirdo: | heh, I was just getting there :) |
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| [04:15:55] | elmojo: | Even after I add the public key to my .ssh and github I get "Permission denied (publickey)." |
| [04:16:00] | elmojo: | git rocks! |
| [04:24:59] | sphery: | elmojo: and you put (or left) the private key in your local ~/.ssh/ , too |
| [04:25:50] | markk_: | Captain_Murdoch, iamlindoro: surprisingly easy once I figured out I need av_register_all() — http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2008334 |
| [04:25:54] | markk_: | works a treat:) |
| [04:26:33] | elmojo: | sphery: it doesn't allow root to use the keys so I changed to a normal user and it works |
| [04:26:52] | sphery: | ahhh, makes sense |
| [04:28:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | markk_, wow, easier than my test hack which wasn't working yet. I figured your new ringbuffer code would make it simpler but didn't want to wait for a compile just to test the theory. :) |
| [04:28:25] | elmojo: | sphery: false alarm... it still doesn't work |
| [04:28:45] | iamlindoro: | markk_, Heh, wow |
| [04:28:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | my mythavtest test is opening the file over http,but never reading. |
| [04:28:56] | ** Captain_Murdoch svn reverts. :) gladly.... ** | |
| [04:29:11] | markk_: | Captain_Murdoch: certainly not the finished article – but I was very surprised and pleased when it just worked! |
| [04:29:18] | iamlindoro: | markk_, We should probably handle rtsp, mms, and any other handlers ffmpeg has |
| [04:29:38] | iamlindoro: | But minimally I believe it has those two |
| [04:29:54] | elmojo: | markk_: cool! |
| [04:30:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | markk_, yeah, it is simple. and I ran into that same registration issue when I looked at using libavformat for the software recorder years ago, so I know how you feel. :) |
| [04:30:52] | elmojo: | markk_: I was holding out hope you'd threaten to leave if we migrated to GIT! |
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| [04:31:07] | iamlindoro: | looks like mms:// mmsh:// rtsp:// should all work too |
| [04:31:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, also supports raw tcp and udp as well it appears. |
| [04:31:15] | iamlindoro: | and rtp |
| [04:31:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | anddon't forget gopher:// |
| [04:32:06] | iamlindoro: | rtmp:// |
| [04:32:08] | iamlindoro: | also |
| [04:32:09] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [04:32:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | wonder if udp is compatible with streaming like vlc can do |
| [04:33:17] | iamlindoro: | This could open up a lot of fun projects :) |
| [04:33:26] | GreyFoxx: | Nice job! |
| [04:35:05] | ** xris ponders putting the mythtv.org code on github ** | |
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| [04:40:15] | iamlindoro: | ah, there they are |
| [04:40:20] | iamlindoro: | all at the bottom of allformats.c |
| [04:44:17] | elmojo: | sphery: do you have an identity file in your .ssh directory? |
| [04:56:43] | sphery: | elmojo: no, just id_rsa, id_rsa.pub, and known_hosts |
| [04:57:52] | elmojo: | sphery: thanks for trying to help... I've thrown in the towel... I'm not spending another minute of the little spare time I have these days on github |
| [04:59:48] | sphery: | elmojo: :( maybe your system has some keyring or ssh-agent setup that's using an old/different key or something? ssh -vvv git@github.com may give you more info |
| [05:00:49] | elmojo: | I tried that already |
| [05:00:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | and make sure there aren't any linefeeds in the key if you pasted it into github. |
| [05:01:05] | elmojo: | I used the xclip per the instructions |
| [05:01:26] | elmojo: | but you're probably right |
| [05:01:41] | sphery: | elmojo: the -vvv showed it using the key you wanted to use? |
| [05:01:59] | elmojo: | I just use -v and it showed it using the correct files |
| [05:02:14] | elmojo: | I deleted my account so I'll have to try again some other day |
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| [05:03:10] | sphery: | and did you get my message in the other channel about permissions on ~/.ssh (has to be 700)? |
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| [05:08:27] | elmojo: | sphery: I set the directory to 700 |
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| [06:12:27] | superm1: | xris, wait, why is mythweb a separate git branch now? |
| [06:13:03] | xris: | superm1: it's a separate package, not branch |
| [06:13:16] | superm1: | er separate repository is what i meant |
| [06:13:25] | superm1: | it's still listed in mythplugins too |
| [06:13:29] | xris: | and it was done so that kormoc and I can develop it without checking the entire mythtv repo out into our web trees |
| [06:13:37] | xris: | it'll go away from mythplugins after tomorrow's sync |
| [06:13:48] | superm1: | ugh, this makes packaging a mess again |
| [06:13:59] | xris: | makes it better for rpm... can finally produce a noarch package |
| [06:14:12] | xris: | but.. since you have 6 months to make a package for 0.25, it should be enough time. |
| [06:14:27] | xris: | nuvexport is also split out. |
| [06:14:40] | superm1: | i mean i reworked all of the packaging to treat everything as a single source package |
| [06:14:45] | superm1: | and spit out oodles of binary packages |
| [06:14:51] | xris: | then again, none of this will happen if Beirdo and I can't get trac running with github |
| [06:15:19] | Beirdo: | I can't get it running at ALL right now |
| [06:15:25] | xris: | your build script uses git archive, right? |
| [06:15:34] | xris: | Beirdo: something f'd up the mailman stuff, too |
| [06:15:45] | superm1: | the way it's been worked out now, it's actually meant to be part of the git checkout |
| [06:15:54] | Beirdo: | surprise surprise... both are python :) |
| [06:15:58] | superm1: | and it will generate changelogs and stuff based on git history in that particular branch |
| [06:16:06] | xris: | superm1: for packaging, you should be using git archive |
| [06:16:44] | xris: | and to keep things "the same" as before, you should just need a second git archive call on mythweb to place it back where it was |
| [06:17:03] | superm1: | the nice thing about not using git archive is that all that history can be used to generate useful changelogs in the packages though |
| [06:17:05] | xris: | archive is way faster than clone |
| [06:17:22] | superm1: | just the first time is clone slow |
| [06:17:27] | superm1: | updating day to day won't be slow at all |
| [06:17:38] | xris: | packaging should be a clean checkout environment every time |
| [06:17:52] | superm1: | it's a clean build environment every time |
| [06:18:02] | xris: | that doesn't prevent your checkout from getting corrupted |
| [06:18:07] | superm1: | the place building the source package doesn't need anything special going on though |
| [06:18:22] | superm1: | git pull, recreate source packages and kick them into the clean env to build |
| [06:18:38] | xris: | dunno. I'm used to fedora packaging... the build environment starts pristine every time. |
| [06:18:49] | superm1: | which it does in debian packaging too |
| [06:18:55] | superm1: | the builds are done in a clean chroot for the binary packages |
| [06:19:07] | superm1: | generating a source package doesn't create any temporary files that can be corrupt or skewed |
| [06:19:38] | xris: | I don't see the problem with cloning a mythweb directory where the current one lives now |
| [06:19:52] | xris: | it's still just a second pull --rebase (please don't forget that option) |
| [06:21:37] | superm1: | well before this change was made people would have been able to run packaging/deb/build-deb.sh and gotten all their debs generated based on the current git checkout. if they wanted to pull, it was a single git rebase (or git pull) and they got the updated checkout |
| [06:22:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [06:22:05] | superm1: | so the helper scripts will need to be reworked to support this instead |
| [06:22:17] | xris: | yeah |
| [06:22:25] | xris: | I will have to change the rpm stuff, too |
| [06:22:29] | superm1: | and it's not just an extra git pull on the other branch, there's a bunch of other smarts that need to be fixed |
| [06:22:29] | xris: | but like I said... 6 months |
| [06:23:01] | superm1: | so i just don't see the initial utility in having them broken out separate |
| [06:23:04] | xris: | no.. if you clone mythtv.. and then clone mythweb into mythtv/mythplugins/ then it's just 2 things |
| [06:23:16] | xris: | superm1: part of it has to do with how kormoc develops in paralle. |
| [06:23:22] | xris: | git doesn't allow partial clones |
| [06:23:30] | xris: | so his checkout goes from like 10x20M to 10x500M |
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| [06:23:45] | superm1: | but why does that matter if it's just a one time checkout? |
| [06:23:55] | superm1: | and a few git fetches, pulls and rebases every so often |
| [06:24:04] | xris: | because it's not a one time checkout for him. |
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| [06:24:14] | xris: | for me, with my single checkout, it means I can clone mythweb into my web tree rather than ALL of mythtv. |
| [06:24:25] | jya: | with the settings, what is the minimum screen resolution we are supposed to support ? |
| [06:24:25] | superm1: | when you create a topic branch it's not additional overhead since you keep it all in the same working directory |
| [06:24:43] | superm1: | and when you switch topic branches, it's all still stashed in the same working directory in .git/ directories |
| [06:24:54] | jya: | I was trying my VM in 720x576 (SD TV) and some pages are unusable |
| [06:25:05] | xris: | superm1: not sure what you mean. topic branches are serial, not parallel |
| [06:25:19] | xris: | can't do 2 or 4 or .. at the same time |
| [06:25:29] | xris: | I have no idea why he does this.... |
| [06:25:53] | xris: | the other reason is that it will let me create a noarch package for mythweb.... |
| [06:26:05] | superm1: | well if he's working on several things at the same time, git has the other solution of multiple working directories with bare checkouts |
| [06:26:10] | xris: | honestly, I don't think web stuff *shoiuld* be in a package, but that's a philosophical issue |
| [06:26:17] | superm1: | so it wouldn't be the disk space overhead |
| [06:26:35] | xris: | not sure what you mean there.. that doesn't allow commits, does it? |
| [06:27:22] | superm1: | you can commit to bare branches. in the ubuntu kernel server they ask all developers to have their checkouts in ~ be bare branches that you just push your additional commits to |
| [06:27:31] | superm1: | to avoid using a gig for every single checkout in ~ |
| [06:27:39] | superm1: | so yeah, you can push additional commits there |
| [06:27:53] | xris: | I'm still lost with that |
| [06:27:58] | xris: | again, doesn't help my issue |
| [06:28:02] | xris: | which is more important |
| [06:28:08] | xris: | mythweb isn't a plugin |
| [06:28:09] | superm1: | does rpm not allow you to create different architecture packages? |
| [06:28:17] | xris: | no, it's a stupid limitation |
| [06:28:27] | superm1: | that does sound like a ridiculous limitation |
| [06:28:38] | xris: | subpackage arch must match the parent |
| [06:28:39] | superm1: | i'm surprised that it's been around this long without a solution yet |
| [06:28:50] | xris: | so you can't mix x64 and noarch in the same package |
| [06:29:18] | jya: | xris: time to debianize the lot :) |
| [06:29:21] | xris: | it'll mean creating a separate package for mythweb, but then it'll be noarch |
| [06:29:32] | xris: | jya: I like my *one* file for package building, thanks. |
| [06:30:00] | xris: | specfiles are the main reason I still use redhat over ubuntu (that and I'm pissed at ubuntu eating a RAID partition when I tried to install it years ago) |
| [06:30:35] | jya: | I gave up maintenaining a rpm repository, so hard to maintain package.. the deb stuff in debian is so easy to use... |
| [06:30:36] | jya: | anyhow.. |
| [06:30:42] | jya: | what about screen resolution ? |
| [06:30:47] | xris: | no clue |
| [06:30:55] | xris: | generally we say we still have to support SD |
| [06:31:04] | xris: | so that's < 640x480 |
| [06:31:05] | xris: | no? |
| [06:31:14] | xris: | superm1: anyway, I'm still not completely sold on the split-out mythweb.. but that's how it is for now |
| [06:31:20] | jya: | yeah, but I live in a modern part of the world |
| [06:31:28] | jya: | SD is 720x576 |
| [06:31:31] | jya: | PAL |
| [06:31:39] | iamlindoro: | SD NTSC is 720x480 |
| [06:31:40] | superm1: | xris, okay well i'll keep crossing my fingers that it won't stick that way then |
| [06:31:55] | iamlindoro: | so > 640x480... but only barely |
| [06:32:01] | xris: | iamlindoro: NTSC is 512x384... if analog could be said to have a resolution |
| [06:32:09] | iamlindoro: | xris, no, it's not. |
| [06:32:22] | xris: | early digital cable was 320x480 |
| [06:32:25] | xris: | stretched |
| [06:32:32] | jya: | so have to redo the whole audio setup then, cause it's not fitting in 560, let alone in 480lines |
| [06:32:47] | xris: | jya: 720x480 is probably a safe minimum |
| [06:33:15] | jya: | so we don't do stuff with PC unless they have a less than 2 years old video card, but we have to support 20 years old TV ? |
| [06:33:39] | xris: | iamlindoro: wikipedia says early analog was approx 640x486. subtract 15% or so for overscan.... |
| [06:33:43] | jya: | damn... |
| [06:33:56] | iamlindoro: | xris, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC |
| [06:34:16] | iamlindoro: | NTSC is 720x525, with 480 visible scanlines |
| [06:34:21] | iamlindoro: | 720x480 |
| [06:34:33] | ** xris counters with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution ** | |
| [06:34:58] | xris: | iamlindoro: spec may be one thing, but display hardware is the limitation |
| [06:35:02] | jya: | I've never heard of NTSC being 384 lines |
| [06:35:04] | xris: | anyway, I don't think we need to care about analog display |
| [06:35:17] | iamlindoro: | xris, NTSC is not, and has never been defined as 620x486 |
| [06:35:17] | jya: | 576 PAL, 480 ntsc |
| [06:35:32] | xris: | jya: it's an approximation from early analog. 512x384 happens to be an early digital resolution (mac plus) |
| [06:35:50] | xris: | iamlindoro: read the page. not defined. just happened to be what TV sets were capable of actually displaying |
| [06:35:54] | jya: | guys, I just wanted to know what resolution my setting screen must fit in :) |
| [06:36:26] | xris: | but yeah.. I'd say 720x480 min, but someone like markk_, Captain_Murdoch, danielk22 would be able to make a better guess about what we actually support |
| [06:36:31] | iamlindoro: | xris, Maybe *you* shoudl read "Current Standards" on that page, where it says "Standard definition" |
| [06:36:39] | iamlindoro: | I'm sorry, but you are dead ass wrong |
| [06:36:46] | iamlindoro: | "480i (NTSC uses an analog system of 486i split into two interlaced fields of 243 lines)" |
| [06:36:51] | iamlindoro: | "576i (PAL, 720×576 split into two interlaced fields of 288 lines)" |
| [06:37:16] | xris: | iamlindoro: Analog NTSC TVs can typically display 486 lines horizontal resolution, per picture height which is equivalent to 640 total lines from left-edge to right-edge |
| [06:37:25] | jya: | for ntsc, on this wikipedia page, I read 480i or 525i |
| [06:37:32] | iamlindoro: | xris, That would be the overscanned viewable resolution |
| [06:37:38] | iamlindoro: | xris, That is *not* the spec resolution |
| [06:37:49] | xris: | iamlindoro: I already corrected myself on that |
| [06:37:59] | xris: | I said "what the hardware could display, not the spec" |
| [06:38:01] | jya: | ok, where are the box gloves? |
| [06:38:16] | ** xris ignores iamlindoro for now and goes back to trying get git working ** | |
| [06:38:19] | xris: | or mailman |
| [06:38:22] | xris: | or whatever I was working on |
| [06:38:24] | iamlindoro: | xris, What is it you are trying to prove, then? NTSC is, and always will be, 720x480, by definition |
| [06:38:33] | iamlindoro: | ignore all you like, it won't make you less wrong |
| [06:38:46] | xris: | iamlindoro: you're attacking me for a point I already conceded to you |
| [06:38:51] | jya: | iamlindoro: which ntsc are you referring to ? :) |
| [06:40:15] | jya: | ATSC is 480i... most NTSC is 525 *scan* lines |
| [06:41:27] | jya: | from wikipedia: "Each frame consists of a total of 525 scanlines, of which 486 make up the visible raster" |
| [06:41:37] | jya: | I think that's where xris got the 486 lines from |
| [06:41:50] | xris: | jya: it's from the Display_Resolution article |
| [06:42:20] | iamlindoro: | I change my mind, this time would be way better spent getting git workign |
| [06:42:29] | iamlindoro: | Since that's definitely what needs the most energy right now |
| [06:42:48] | iamlindoro: | I can't wait until git... wait... what are we gaining again? |
| [06:42:59] | iamlindoro: | Oh yeah, a slimmer developer roster |
| [06:43:06] | jya: | so I have to make the setting screen work in 720x480 |
| [06:47:05] | xris: | jya: check with one of the other devs tomorrow |
| [06:47:33] | jya: | i'm going to move the "Advanced Audio Settings" to it's own page, accessible via a button |
| [06:58:01] | stuarta: | xris: i'm happy to setup new email server if thats what people want |
| [06:58:47] | xris: | stuarta: I think we have things to the point where we can move *only* svn dns tonight... |
| [06:58:50] | xris: | got mod_dav_svn working. |
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| [06:59:02] | xris: | but I'm having a bitch of a time getting apache to work with mailman... |
| [06:59:14] | xris: | complaining about symlinks/perms when I have FollowSymlinks turned on. |
| [06:59:22] | stuarta: | so what was the attempted move for tonight svn -> git? |
| [06:59:33] | stuarta: | or other server rebuild bits? |
| [06:59:38] | xris: | well, want to move the svn name over to the new server |
| [06:59:45] | xris: | so we can get new trac that talks to github |
| [06:59:54] | xris: | but moving trac means moving the new read-only svn |
| [07:01:53] | stuarta: | okay, baby duties for a hour or so, if you need me ping me should definitely be back in 2hr |
| [07:02:23] | xris: | I'll hopefully be asleep by then. |
| [07:02:30] | xris: | giving myself one more hour and then I crash. |
| [07:08:13] | Gibby: | ne1 else getting script errors in firefox on some pages in git? |
| [07:14:53] | xris: | "in git"? |
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| [07:16:41] | Gibby: | yeah at github.com |
| [07:19:25] | superm1: | Gibby, try turning off adblock if it's on. i saw weird stuff like that with chrome too on git pages when i used to use it |
| [07:21:04] | Gibby: | superm1: I don't have ad block.. if I wait long enough it freezes the whole browser then asks if i want to stop it or continue, if i continue it then refresh it is ok, until i got somewhere else, only see it on 3 pages, pull request, graphs and commits |
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| [08:27:03] | xris: | anyone still awake enough to sanity check tomorrow morning's news post? http://newmyth.forevermore.net/ |
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| [08:39:40] | jya: | xris: what happens to the old www.mythtv.org ? |
| [08:39:52] | xris: | jya: nothing for now |
| [08:39:58] | xris: | that's just my dev instance |
| [08:40:03] | jya: | ah ok |
| [08:40:16] | xris: | the domain name is left over from when we designed the new site |
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| [09:18:04] | sphery: | jya: FWIW, I think we're currently trying to make sure that setup screens work appropriately on 800x600 and higher resolution. Those users who have lower resolutions on their frontend systems are able to use X redisplay or VNC or whatever on another system in the house for the setup stuff. (And, that said, my understanding is that most video cards' TV outs are designed to work best at 800x600 or 1024x768, anyway, because of how they ... |
| [09:18:11] | sphery: | ... process the signal, but that's not important.) |
| [09:18:53] | jya: | well, it should work now at a much lower resolution... if you want to test :P |
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| [09:19:26] | jya: | I used to ouput in 576i on a 82cm TV using a nvidia 6500 card |
| [09:22:39] | jya: | http://imagebin.ca/view/IVwT9raU.html |
| [09:23:01] | jya: | now I need to find a way so the group with DD and DTS doesn't stretch that much |
| [09:27:39] | jya: | are they amplifier supporting E-AC3 but not DTS-HD ? |
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| [09:38:19] | jannau: | markk_: ping |
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| [10:07:59] | markk_: | jannua: you called? |
| [10:08:08] | markk_: | jannau |
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| [10:16:45] | markk_: | stuartm: did you manage to knock out any wording for xvmc removal? |
| [10:31:52] | stuartm: | crap, I forgot about that |
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| [11:18:52] | jannau: | markk_: I was looking for HD DVB subtitles. spotted the sample in the ticket the second time |
| [11:32:20] | stuartm: | markk_: I'll write up something and post it as a news item in about an hour |
| [11:39:25] | markk_: | jannau: you mean #8061? |
| [11:43:41] | jannau: | yes |
| [11:51:05] | markk_: | I think I probably have another sample somewhere if you need it. |
| [11:53:55] | jannau: | markk_: if it has a display definition segment it would be appreciated |
| [11:56:06] | kenni: | markk_: Do you want to keep #9311 around as a reminder for the "bug in the MythTV VDPAU code that should be fixed for 0.25" or should I close it as invalid? |
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| [12:15:39] | stuartm: | ok, maybe later than an hour, but soon |
| [12:16:10] | markk_: | jannau: the only other clip with DDS I have is a BBC HD clip from stuartm that has HD subs and gives the correct display size (i.e. 1920x1080). Is that any use? |
| [12:16:49] | markk_: | kenni: I'm tempted to say just close – but should probably just give it to me. I don't think there are any other tickets tracking that particular issue. |
| [12:17:04] | stuartm: | I can make more clips available for BBC HD and BBC One HD, ITV HD too but they don't use DVB subtitles |
| [12:18:18] | markk_: | are they going to drop BBC HD at some point? |
| [12:19:08] | jannau: | markk_: which one? name and size. I might already it |
| [12:21:27] | kenni: | markk_: I've assigned it to you, feel free to do whatever :) |
| [12:23:15] | markk_: | jannau: I think I renamed them (I have 2 versions) – both bbchd.mpg – first is 38meg and the second is 248meg. Both start with 2 women being shot at by a plane – some WWII drama. One of stuartm's favourites IIRC :) |
| [12:23:22] | markk_: | kenni: thanks |
| [12:28:23] | stuartm: | markk_: heh, never watched it in my life ;) |
| [12:30:06] | kenni: | iamlindoro: it doesn't seem like #9149 was a dup of #9311 after all. The reporter doesn't use VDPAU, and I can confirm the pixelation on both VDPAU and non-VDPAU with the internal player. We should probably reopen it(?) |
| [12:30:22] | stuartm: | markk_: no announced plans to drop BBC HD, I don't see that happening until they have a BBC Two HD, BBC Three HD etc, right now there is plenty of HD content which is not shown on BBC One and therefore won't be available on the HD simulcast |
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| [12:46:59] | jannau: | markk_ stuartm: I don't seem to have them and my bbc hd samples doesn't seem to contain subtitles |
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| [12:53:29] | kenni: | jannau: if you're looking for HD samples with DVB subtitles, I'm fairly sure I have some. Only 720p though |
| [12:55:40] | jannau: | kenni: resolution doesn't matter. I'm looking for samples with display definition segment (used for display hints for non SD videos/subtitles) |
| [12:56:50] | kenni: | jannau: I have no idea if my samples contains that, any easy way to check? |
| [12:57:48] | jannau: | no |
| [13:08:36] | markk_: | jannau: just uploading now |
| [13:11:43] | jannau: | markk_: thanks |
| [13:37:25] | markk_: | jannau: http://filebin.ca/fowsbn |
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| [14:01:51] | markk_: | so what's the current approach to removable media (e.g. usb drive) at the moment? given that video scanning is moving to the backend and we're slowly moving to a backend centric world, I'm just wondering how that is handled. |
| [14:02:19] | markk_: | Mostly thinking about how to plug in the content of other upnp servers though |
| [14:15:07] | iamlindoro: | kenni, go for it |
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| [14:25:06] | kenni: | iamlindoro: I was too slow |
| [14:48:13] | jya: | how long before commit in svn is no more ? |
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| [15:16:13] | jannau: | jya: at least for two hours, maybe much longer if we decide to modify the history |
| [15:16:55] | jya: | ok... I found a bug with buffer not 16 bytes aligned, making sse code crash.. wanted to fix that asap |
| [15:23:26] | jya: | stuartm: is there an object (to be used in the settings), similar to MythPopupBox but that will display something on the screen, while allowing to have code to continue running (and not making me create a new thread etc...) |
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| [15:26:37] | jya: | hum... all those popup are marked as deprecated.. what replaces them then? |
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| [15:49:07] | skd5aner: | hmmm, are hooks currently working in SVN to trac? r27408 should have fixed/closed #9308, but didn't |
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| [15:56:06] | iamlindoro: | jya: MythUI popups-- but I am fairly certain a that you can't use a MythUIPopupBox (The base widget you'd want) over top of Qt configuration widgets |
| [15:56:44] | iamlindoro: | One option that would remove the issue of screen real estate by leaving it to the themer, while more work, would be to create a MythUI audio configuration window |
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| [15:57:17] | jya: | iamlindoro: Yeah.. started to create a new thread, and create a MythPopupBox in there |
| [15:58:05] | jya: | i just want to display a popup with "Playing on Left" , "Playing on Right" etc.. for the speaker test |
| [15:58:13] | iamlindoro: | Yeah. Nice addition, though |
| [15:58:26] | jya: | it's all done, just need that popup now |
| [15:58:48] | jya: | (and I don't want to be the one starting the mythui conversion :P ) |
| [15:59:40] | jya: | I've added all that's required for setting HD audio passthrough |
| [16:00:15] | jya: | waiting for my new sound processor and will play with the ffmpeg patch.. I thought you would like that |
| [16:00:29] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, that will be neat |
| [16:00:40] | iamlindoro: | I'll need a new receiver :) |
| [16:02:43] | jya: | don't you have something playing E-AC3 and other ? |
| [16:02:54] | jya: | you were one of the first with actual sample of those |
| [16:03:22] | skd5aner: | stuartm: on r27416, I noticed that on line 4515, you might want to also make a trivial change to the dir name to reflect the new version number as well |
| [16:06:59] | skd5aner: | stuartm: trivial, I know – just caught my eye while reviewing changesets |
| [16:10:28] | stuartm: | skd5aner: oops |
| [16:11:30] | iamlindoro: | jya: I have lots of content, but have always played either the core (in the case of DTS-HD) or via decode to PCM |
| [16:11:51] | jya: | ok, analog I suppose? |
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| [16:14:18] | iamlindoro: | SPDIF (I only use 5.1 though the receiver supports 8 channels) |
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| [16:21:43] | skd5aner: | stuartm: :) I best go add that to the release notes... very important to document!!! |
| [16:21:44] | skd5aner: | ;) |
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| [16:48:32] | stuartm: | danielk22, xris, jannau, Captain_Murdoch: are we definitely dropping libmpeg2 playback support in 0.25? I should really include that announcement in the one about XvMC if so ... |
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| [16:51:02] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: When sphery broached the subject, there was no objection whatsoever, and he is working on a patch (or it may already be done)... seems safe to announce (IMO, IANASCM (I am not a steering committee member)) |
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| [17:16:39] | stuartm: | well the annoucement is available in www-svn as #144 if anyone wants to proof-read or suggest changes |
| [17:17:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, yes, I think it was a general concensus that we drop it for playback support, but still keep the code around for mythtranscode. |
| [17:17:54] | stuartm: | it kills three birds with one stone, mentioning the possible removal of XVideo support at some point in the future |
| [17:18:42] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Are you sure you want to call it purevideo versus VDPAU? |
| [17:19:25] | stuartm: | yes, one is the hardware, the other is an API |
| [17:19:44] | stuartm: | I can re-word it, but it was a deliberate choice |
| [17:19:55] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Actually, I was under the impression that purevideo was the marketing term for a bouquet of features on windows, not all of which we support |
| [17:20:10] | iamlindoro: | But I defer, whatever |
| [17:21:21] | iamlindoro: | specifically, there is hardware which supports the purevideo feature set in windows which is not supported by VDPAU, and purevideo offers a number of scaling and colorspace options in windows which are not part of VDPAU |
| [17:21:24] | stuartm: | could be I've got that wrong |
| [17:21:43] | iamlindoro: | likewise |
| [17:21:55] | iamlindoro: | I don't care enough to make it an issue, announcement looks good to me |
| [17:25:38] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: I know it's imperfect, but CrystalHD *is* actually supported in .24 (distinct from Intel and ATI, which are not)... but that's being picky |
| [17:25:41] | stuartm: | just noticed a typo |
| [17:26:28] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: the code support is there, but we're not 'supporting' it yet, at least elmojo/j-rod stated as much just before the release |
| [17:26:57] | stuartm: | they were concerned about outstanding bugs |
| [17:27:28] | iamlindoro: | I know it's marked as "experimental," but I've not seen us discourage anyone from using it, or closing bugs on it |
| [17:27:29] | iamlindoro: | whatever |
| [17:27:52] | iamlindoro: | First sentence of "Both" should probably be two sentences |
| [17:27:57] | stuartm: | I didn't want to imply that Crystal HD was officially ready for use so long as it's still considered experimental |
| [17:28:03] | iamlindoro: | And additionally ought to have a comma after it |
| [17:28:32] | stuartm: | last thing I want is for people with Epia hardware to go out and by Crystal HD hardware that doesn't really work etc |
| [17:30:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | can't discuss now, have a meeting to go to, but here's a diff with some potential edits. feel free to use or ignore. :) http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2008732 |
| [17:30:42] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: made those and other changes |
| [17:30:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | just likes like breaking sentences, etc.. no meaning changed. |
| [17:30:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably some said by iamlindoro already as well. :) |
| [17:31:24] | ** iamlindoro is embarassed to admit he has not idea what "N.B" means... maybe it's a british thing :) ** | |
| [17:31:28] | iamlindoro: | er no |
| [17:31:32] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: some/all of that I've just done, e.g. the missing 'like' etc |
| [17:31:47] | iamlindoro: | "Nota Bene." Learn something every day :) |
| [17:31:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | sounds good to me though. |
| [17:31:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | flavour -> flavor. ;) |
| [17:31:56] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: Latin actually, but I didn't realise it wasn't used in North America |
| [17:32:11] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: It might well be, I've just not seen/learned it |
| [17:33:02] | stuartm: | it's one of those latin terms which is used frequently over here, similar to P.S., per se, sic |
| [17:33:27] | iamlindoro: | All of those commonly used here, so I'll just presume that N.B. is a gap in my own knowledge :) |
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| [17:34:35] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: You forgot the all-important Fourth leg of "why" |
| [17:34:42] | iamlindoro: | "Just to piss you VIA users off" |
| [17:35:58] | stuartm: | heh, some of these typo's and grammatical errors are embarassing |
| [17:40:44] | stuartm: | ok, hopefully that's the last of the edits |
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| [17:42:15] | stuartm: | I've developed a bad habit of rambling sentences. My english teachers would not be pleased. |
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| [18:11:19] | stuartm: | Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9312 is MythTerminal |
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| [18:19:19] | j-rod: | stuartm: thankfully, I don't think most via kit could be equipped with a crystalhd anyway |
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| [18:19:57] | j-rod: | epia; diaf |
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| [18:20:20] | j-rod: | wonder where my m10k board is at. wait, no, I don't care. |
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| [18:29:28] | jannau: | j-rod: I haven't heard anything from Naren re boards. I've a pile of patches but I can't push at the moment |
| [18:29:59] | j-rod: | narf. I'll give him a ping, see what's up. |
| [18:30:13] | j-rod: | my adapter brackets arrived earlier this week |
| [18:30:36] | jannau: | mine didn't yet |
| [18:30:50] | ** jannau goes nagging his supplier ** | |
| [18:39:02] | xris: | j-rod: added you |
| [18:39:42] | xris: | an update from last night's git stuff... it appears that the github plugin has issues with the latest version of trac. |
| [18:40:06] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Dare we tempt fate by sending the announcement to the users list? |
| [18:40:10] | xris: | wagnerrp: not sure if you're interested in poking around in stuff — we're getting a bunch of python warnings and then a segfault |
| [18:40:14] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: I'm tempted to just to see the responses :) |
| [18:40:16] | xris: | everything works except the timeline. we think. |
| [18:41:01] | j-rod: | xris: danke |
| [18:41:36] | ** j-rod starts cloning ** | |
| [18:41:58] | j-rod: | oh. hah. now I see the "don't pull yet, though". |
| [18:42:02] | j-rod: | no biggie |
| [18:42:19] | xris: | heh |
| [18:42:35] | xris: | yeah, we're discussing removing the themes from the main repo |
| [18:42:38] | xris: | historically |
| [18:42:59] | iamlindoro: | Can we ban sasmekoll@gmail.com from the users list if someone has a moment |
| [18:43:02] | iamlindoro: | second spam of the hour |
| [18:43:32] | iamlindoro: | (and a date set 8 days ago, tsk, tsk spammer) |
| [18:44:23] | ** xris pokes Beirdo with a trout ** | |
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| [18:44:55] | wagnerrp: | xris: sure, this on new.mythtv.org again? |
| [18:45:12] | xris: | wagnerrp: yeah. you have a login? |
| [18:45:21] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [18:45:26] | xris: | and now it looks like I've found a second github plugin.... |
| [18:45:33] | wagnerrp: | beirdo was just asking me some stuff last night |
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| [18:50:37] | xris: | let's wait for Beirdo to show up so I can figure out which plugin he used |
| [18:55:42] | ** stuarta sharpens xris's trout and give back a swordfish ** | |
| [18:56:42] | gigem_: | xris, Beirdo: did you guys get my email? my github name is gigem. |
| [18:57:18] | xris: | gigem_: will add you now |
| [18:57:27] | gigem_: | xris: thanks. |
| [18:58:13] | xris: | gigem_: done |
| [18:58:30] | xris: | stuarta: just sent a txt to gavin. not sure where he is. we need him for stuff at work, too |
| [18:58:57] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: you can do, I'm not subscribed |
| [18:59:57] | xris: | wagnerrp: ok, I'm confusing the gitplugin wiht the github plugin. let me get you an account on this box. |
| [19:00:00] | xris: | what username do you want? |
| [19:00:12] | stuartm: | xris, iamlindoro: might be a nice idea if news items were automatically forwarded to the list(s) |
| [19:00:37] | xris: | stuartm: automatically would be difficult, but we can add it to the process. |
| [19:01:26] | wagnerrp: | same as email is find, rwagner |
| [19:01:31] | wagnerrp: | *fine |
| [19:03:04] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: done |
| [19:03:25] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: not sure if I'm supposed to admin that list, but I had the password |
| [19:04:24] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Cool, thanks |
| [19:05:52] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Announcement forwarded to the list, too |
| [19:07:15] | xris: | iamlindoro: new news item for the website? |
| [19:08:15] | iamlindoro: | xris: Was written and pushed by stuartm |
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| [19:09:13] | xris: | yeah. just means I need to renumber the one I created for the git migration. heh |
| [19:09:46] | iamlindoro: | ahh, true |
| [19:10:48] | stuartm: | xris: you didn't commit that one? |
| [19:11:08] | xris: | stuartm: not yet. wasn't going to do it until DNS was moved |
| [19:11:15] | xris: | or until the git repo was ready |
| [19:11:31] | stuartm: | ah, ok |
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| [19:27:54] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [19:28:15] | Beirdo: | Using the GithubPlugin (as pointed to off the github service hook page) |
| [19:29:38] | Chutt_: | btw |
| [19:29:43] | Chutt_: | someone else want to be the list administrator? =) |
| [19:29:49] | Chutt_: | well, lists |
| [19:30:08] | Chutt_: | not getting all the owner/bounce/approval spam would be kind of cool. |
| [19:36:04] | Beirdo: | I think we can set that up ;) |
| [19:36:27] | Chutt_: | i believe it's just on the first page of the mailman settings |
| [19:36:31] | Chutt_: | for each list |
| [19:37:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think so. Let's hope we get a volunteer... I can do it myself if nobody else wants to, but if someone's looking to do so, by all means. |
| [19:37:38] | xris: | Chutt_: working on a new sysadmin mailing list to handle that stuff |
| [19:37:42] | Gibby: | so master in git is basically trunk? |
| [19:37:49] | xris: | Gibby: correct |
| [19:38:20] | Gibby: | any1 have issues trying to do a pull request but can change the base branch? |
| [19:38:20] | Chutt_: | just a warning, it's a rather lot of mail |
| [19:40:07] | stuartm: | Chutt_, Beirdo: we've already transferred some of the lists, the new translation list and theming list at the very least |
| [19:41:31] | stuartm: | Chutt_: the quantity of mail can be eliminated by enabling the auto-reply for unsubscribed users, basically it just bounces their email with a "You must subscribe to send mail to this list." with instructions on how to do so |
| [19:41:51] | stuartm: | s/eliminated/decreased/ – you'll still get the admin@ spam |
| [19:41:53] | Beirdo: | Gibby: if you can hold off for a few hours, I think we are about to repush. |
| [19:42:20] | Chutt_: | well, yeah |
| [19:42:41] | Chutt_: | but i never liked the auto-reply's |
| [19:42:50] | Chutt_: | silently failing is less load on the system |
| [19:42:51] | Gibby: | Beirdo: np, just trying to figure out why it won't let me change the base branch...well i can change it but the Update Commit Range button doesn't highlight |
| [19:44:13] | stuartm: | Chutt_: true |
| [19:46:45] | paul-h: | xris, Beirdo: https://gtihub.com/paul-h |
| [19:46:45] | Gibby: | anyone make a howti/wiki page on how to fork, make changes, commit and request pull with git? |
| [19:47:57] | Beirdo: | paul-h: thanks :) one sec |
| [19:48:23] | Beirdo: | done |
| [19:48:40] | Beirdo: | Gibby: look in github help |
| [19:50:17] | Gibby: | Beirdo: it has gotten me far, there were just a few gotcha's where I had to find in more than 1 place |
| [19:50:49] | xris: | ok, svn has been marked read-only... no commits will be allowed |
| [19:50:53] | jannau: | svn is read only |
| [19:51:47] | paul-h: | Beirdo: thanks :) |
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| [19:55:50] | jams: | If no one else wants to admin the lists I can take care of them. Already run a few others. |
| [19:56:39] | xris: | and preparing to move svn over to the new server |
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| [20:25:33] | stuartm: | xris: svn-www will remain operational after today? |
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| [20:51:51] | xris: | stuartm: yeah, but it'll be on the new server at a new path |
| [20:52:05] | xris: | to make future migrations easier we're storing as much stuff as possible under /opt |
| [20:52:16] | xris: | so it'll probably be something like /opt/svn/www |
| [20:52:35] | stuartm: | xris: ok, so it's not moving to git |
| [20:53:21] | stuartm: | xris: svn switch will take care of that, although it's not a big repo so no harm if I have to create a new checkout |
| [20:53:46] | xris: | stuartm: I'm still not sure I want to make that stuff public yet. |
| [20:55:38] | stuartm: | xris: yeah, probably better to keep it private, no good reason for it to be public |
| [20:55:46] | Steve_Goodey: | tddun123 |
| [20:56:05] | Steve_Goodey: | Sorry, wrong window!!!! |
| [20:56:23] | ** stuartm steals Steve_Goodey's account and changes his password ** | |
| [20:57:01] | Steve_Goodey: | Yeah thanks for that. |
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| [21:35:05] | danielk22: | Anyone know off the top of their head what Qt 4.5 is needed for? I'm building on debian lenny which is still at 4.4.. |
| [21:40:30] | stuarta: | iirc, there's a feature set todo with the qtwebkit |
| [21:40:49] | iamlindoro: | First need for it was NSPlgin support in Qtwebkit, but we've since added other stuff that requires it |
| [21:41:10] | iamlindoro: | It only became official in the latter change, and it was one of Captain_Murdoch's, but can't recall which |
| [21:41:16] | iamlindoro: | mythdownloadmanager, maybe |
| [21:41:31] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25249 |
| [21:41:41] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, MDM |
| [21:42:16] | danielk22: | MDM? |
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| [21:42:22] | iamlindoro: | MythDownloadManager |
| [21:43:52] | danielk22: | ah, ok. thx. |
| [21:44:09] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:44:43] | stuarta: | that must be why i moved my main backend to debian testing |
| [21:46:23] | danielk22: | Yeah, they get ridiculously far behind sometimes in debian stable. Ubuntu LTS tends to be more developer friendly |
| [21:46:53] | stuarta: | moved my dev box to ubuntu |
| [21:47:11] | stuarta: | going to spin up f14 when i get a moment |
| [21:47:21] | stuarta: | and centos6 when it comes out |
| [21:51:12] | Gibby: | got anyone wondering...http://status.github.com/ |
| [21:51:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | Qt 4.5 was needed for the QNetworkDiskCache used by QNetworkAccessManager used by MythDownloadManager. |
| [21:51:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | and I figured if I could find it for CentOS, anyone could find it. |
| [21:52:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | danielk22, I have a patch to allow compiling current trunk with Qt 4.4 though. I used that on an ancient Fedora 8 box. :) |
| [21:52:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | it disables the cache and reverts things like the configure check for 4.5 |
| [21:53:02] | danielk22: | Captain_Murdoch: I'd like it :) I will need to support lenny for a while. |
| [21:53:30] | danielk22: | But backend only, so MDM isn't terribly important for that, I think. |
| [21:55:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | not unless you're downloading themes a lot. |
| [21:55:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | themes get downloaded on the backend so they are in the backend cache so multiple frontends can install the same theme without having to download it off the net multiple times. |
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| [21:56:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | here's the patch. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2008969 It is a little behind head and you probably don't need that pulse part if it even still applies, so you can trim that. |
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| [22:03:42] | stuartm: | Gibby: they trashed the database just a week or two back, it was offline for hours, according to Beirdo it's very rare ... |
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| [22:04:10] | Beirdo: | I have rarely seen it down for more than a moment |
| [22:04:22] | Beirdo: | but remember... it IS a ruby app |
| [22:04:23] | Gibby: | it was only down for 8 minutes this time i think |
| [22:04:30] | Beirdo: | ruby on rails IIRC |
| [22:05:17] | stuartm: | well it went off the rails today ;) |
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| [22:09:40] | xris: | stuartm: I have disabled svn-www write access on the current box |
| [22:10:09] | xris: | will have to set up access on the new box |
| [22:12:44] | xris: | Beirdo: think a placeholder page for new svn.mythtv.org is in order? |
| [22:13:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, you might want one, better than getting a 401 :) |
| [22:15:28] | xris: | yeah. and it'll still load trac |
| [22:15:51] | xris: | I mainly just don't want it to load the www homepage if someone goes one dir up from the trac url |
| [22:23:05] | xris: | Beirdo: as soon as you and wagnerrp are done poking at trac, I'll have DNS moved over |
| [22:25:03] | wagnerrp: | im done poking for now, no idea whats causing it |
| [22:25:49] | wagnerrp: | xris: i do know the traceback is completely unrelated to the segfault |
| [22:25:54] | wagnerrp: | but besides that... |
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| [22:27:27] | alan`: | hi. I have a Pinnacle HDTV Pro Stick 800e that will not record audio |
| [22:27:35] | alan`: | does anybody have any ideas on how to fix this? |
| [22:28:02] | Gibby: | !topis |
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| [22:28:04] | Gibby: | !topic |
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| [22:28:12] | alan`: | i see |
| [22:28:13] | alan`: | i'm sorry |
| [22:28:21] | alan`: | !topic |
| [22:28:42] | Gibby: | Beirdo: is the bot not working? |
| [22:28:42] | clever: | its /topic #mythtv |
| [22:28:50] | wagnerrp: | alan`: the topic says... this is the development channel, you want #mythtv-users |
| [22:28:52] | alan`: | ik |
| [22:28:59] | alan`: | i know* i joined it |
| [22:29:05] | Beirdo: | it doesn't do that, Gibby |
| [22:29:32] | Gibby: | my mistake thanks |
| [22:38:53] | skd5aner: | xris: interesting alternative to the logitech dinovo mini – has a physical escape key: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/rii-mini-w . . . not-your-wi/ |
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| [22:43:37] | xris: | skd5aner: yeah, saw it on thinkgeek |
| [22:43:46] | xris: | it's cute |
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| [22:54:44] | jya: | just got up... so are we officially on git yet ? |
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| [23:00:24] | jannau: | jya: not yet |
| [23:00:51] | jya: | ok, thanks going to make some commit on svn if that's okay then |
| [23:01:02] | iamlindoro: | think SVN is write-only now |
| [23:01:08] | iamlindoro: | er read only |
| [23:01:08] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:01:12] | jya: | ah |
| [23:02:06] | jya: | should have committed yesterday that patch, don't like the idea of having an archive with an obvious bug |
| [23:03:00] | ** skd5aner wonders how long it'll take for him to adjust to understanding git commits in order to update the release notes ** | |
| [23:03:03] | jannau: | svn is read only, not sure if anyone has tested it though |
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| [23:41:02] | iamlindoro: | markk_, It looks like the streaming ringbuffer may need some tweaks-- Everything I try times out on openfile with |
| [23:41:05] | iamlindoro: | 2010-12–02 15:36:51.885 RingBuf(http://www.stockshots.com/images/videoclips/bikini.mov) Warning: Peek() requested 65536 bytes, but only returning 49640 |
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| [23:41:24] | iamlindoro: | That number starts at some low value and grows a bit as it retries, but never reaches the value the player is happy with |
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| [23:46:33] | markk_: | iamlindoro: is it remote content? |
| [23:46:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [23:46:51] | markk_: | oh – like it says:) |
| [23:47:09] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I tried to choose something that would be fun to watch ;) |
| [23:47:16] | iamlindoro: | or at least, the name was promising ;) |
| [23:49:14] | markk_: | it occurred to me after committing that code that the http case might be better handled by Qt – as it should handle all sorts of issues – and gives useful feedback. |
| [23:50:20] | iamlindoro: | I (perhaps foolishly) assumed that an ffmpeg http handler would have been pretty solid |
| [23:50:32] | iamlindoro: | And it might well be, might just be some more magic to plug it in reliably |
| [23:53:08] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, it's definitely returning data, so that's something, just seems to be some mismatch with what the RB expects... seems to sort of read in dribs and drabs |
| [23:54:55] | iamlindoro: | markk_, url_read_complete perhaps? |
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| [23:56:36] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
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