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| [07:31:03] | justinh: | stuartm: I just found all my old diffs from a couple of years ago. seriously getting an itch to play with the painters again |
| [07:31:31] | justinh: | I think my laptop's linux partition still has the working code on it, analogue clock & all |
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| [12:06:48] | justinh: | stuartm: not looked too deeply into it yet but maybe recpriority things need templating too |
| [12:07:55] | stuartm: | justinh: Mark has expressed a desire to work on the opengl stuff, it might be a good idea to discuss it with him |
| [12:08:33] | stuartm: | at this stage he probably knows more about the painters than I do and definitely a LOT more about opengl |
| [12:08:40] | justinh: | yeah I remember looking at some of the painter changes he did & being disheartened his work would have blown my patches out of the water |
| [12:09:11] | justinh: | which btw at first glance seem to have made my frontend's redraws much snappier :) |
| [12:09:37] | justinh: | is there still resistance to doing away with the qt painter btw? |
| [12:09:53] | justinh: | from devs I mean, not users ;) |
| [12:10:00] | stuartm: | justinh: can you make a list of every screen/template related issue you spot and stick it in pastebin? Just to be sure that I don't forget or miss any of them? |
| [12:10:21] | justinh: | stuartm: yeah I'll try to snag all the ones I run into |
| [12:10:40] | stuartm: | justinh: I don't know, it's not been discussed for a while, in master we will always use opengl if available, QT only as a fallback – the painter setting has been removed |
| [12:10:41] | justinh: | I just hate all these little sections where there are labels & parameters |
| [12:11:47] | justinh: | like in the default-wide schedule-ui.xml in the programpriority window there are something like 6 separate textareas for the priority numbers (which I still don't really understand) |
| [12:12:04] | stuartm: | justinh: right, they should all be pretty easy to fix, it's just that I don't use many of the affected screens on a daily basis (hell, most of them I've not even themed) so I tend to overlook/ignore the issues |
| [12:12:33] | justinh: | heh I dunno why even I'm being so anal about doing these. I don't use em either really |
| [12:12:49] | justinh: | I'd just like it so if I *do* happen to stumble upon them I'm not greeted by ARGHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [12:13:07] | stuartm: | the priority stuff is a) confusing, b) a little pointless c) complicates the scheduler |
| [12:13:30] | justinh: | I still can never remember whether lower numbers mean higher or lower |
| [12:13:45] | justinh: | thinking "your #1 priority .." is higher than #2 ;) |
| [12:13:54] | stuartm: | justinh: yeah, I'm not one to talk but I'd really like themers to make sure that their themes are as complete as possible – which none of mine are |
| [12:13:58] | justinh: | IIRC myth works with bigger == higher priority |
| [12:14:29] | justinh: | do many people even use programming priorities, I wonder... |
| [12:14:42] | stuartm: | it's even reached the point where I'm thinking of removing metallurgy/terra from git because I feel they reflect badly on MythTV as a whole |
| [12:14:48] | justinh: | I suspect not. maybe the guy who developed it first :D |
| [12:15:25] | justinh: | stuartm: they were great in their day IMHO.. like all of mine had their day |
| [12:15:52] | justinh: | UIs have a nasty habit of looking outdated way too fast though |
| [12:16:00] | stuartm: | I use schedule priorities, and channel priorities to favour HD over SD, but even channel priorities seem like the wrong solution to a simple problem |
| [12:16:40] | justinh: | one minute everybody wants shiny looking plastic... ;-) |
| [12:17:50] | justinh: | I had a play with blootube-ng the other night. still *love* those menus to bits |
| [12:18:21] | stuartm: | right, it changes way too frequently and annoyingly too many changes, or new screens appear frequently making maintaining a theme a pain |
| [12:18:25] | justinh: | the rest of it.. meh not so much |
| [12:19:18] | justinh: | I think somebody's gonna have to knuckle down at some point & bring the default set of stuff up to snuff. I'm still horrified that selector background is in the default PBB |
| [12:19:26] | stuartm: | I'm still annoyed by additions to the schedule screens spoiling the balance that I'd spent a long time agonising over :( |
| [12:20:09] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind losing some functionality to simplify the UI.. or at least make things optional |
| [12:20:49] | justinh: | right now we've got press RECORD to set up a recording.. or hit select to enter a labyrinth :D |
| [12:21:17] | stuartm: | justinh: IMHO we need to consider losing little used or pointless functionality, but that's an epic uphill battle, once a feature is added it's very difficult to get it removed |
| [12:22:28] | justinh: | easier when the people who wrote the feature are no longer around ;) |
| [12:22:55] | stuartm: | but still, there seems to be some consensus on losing one or two of the scheduling related screens, the searches mainly |
| [12:23:32] | justinh: | hmm? which ones? or is the talk of selecting the type of seach in just one screen instead? |
| [12:24:16] | stuartm: | and priority screens might be consolidated somehow, or just quietly dropped – I'm not sure they are really required when you've got the 'Upcoming Recordings' page showing you what will/won't get recorded |
| [12:24:49] | stuartm: | justinh: yeah, consolidating them into one screen, maybe dropping one or two searches that are least used/useful |
| [12:25:05] | justinh: | that'd make more sense IMHO |
| [12:25:36] | stuartm: | e.g. the time list, that's just the program guide in a different format ... |
| [12:25:52] | stuartm: | and it takes 5 minutes to load, vs a couple of seconds for the program guide |
| [12:28:07] | justinh: | one of the last I themed was a pig to load |
| [12:28:17] | justinh: | think that was the upcoming screen |
| [12:28:26] | justinh: | oh no previous recordings that was it |
| [12:28:56] | stuartm: | and the word searches can be consolidated, chances are that if you are searching for a person then you want to record anything with their name in the description as well, so what then is the difference between a keyword and people search? |
| [12:29:39] | justinh: | doesn't keyword search all the fields? |
| [12:30:14] | stuartm: | the previous screen loads all recordings you've ever made, and since 0.24 every program in the last 14 days that matched a rule even when it wasn't recorded, that adds up to a LOT of entries to load |
| [12:30:27] | justinh: | actually I have my thoughts about how to improve custom rule setting up but I've never got around to even mocking it up |
| [12:30:43] | justinh: | basically I hate having to enter/edit sql with a remote |
| [12:31:16] | justinh: | thinking along the lines of dropdowns with operators between them |
| [12:32:08] | stuartm: | justinh: right, but in a people search you don't want to ignore a program titled "An evening with David Attenborough" if you're doing a people search for David Attenborough, we have to look at all fields in both searches IMHO |
| [12:33:17] | justinh: | so it could say WHERE (e.g.) <dropdown>TITLE, SUBTITLE, DESCRIPTION, whatever</dropdown> <operator>EQUALS, CONTAINS</operator> textfield <AND/OR/NOT> ... that'd be the jist |
| [12:33:53] | stuartm: | justinh: the failings of the custom rule screen are a) the need to input large amounts of text via a remote, b) the requirement to understand sql, c) that it even exists |
| [12:34:02] | justinh: | it's awesomely powerful but not something I'd ever expect my wife to be able to use |
| [12:34:23] | justinh: | if it can be tamed I'd like to keep it |
| [12:34:44] | justinh: | shouldn't be too hard to have a go at it |
| [12:35:10] | stuartm: | I can't see 99% of people actually having a legitimate use for it, and the 1% who might have a legitimate use could probably live without it anyway |
| [12:35:18] | justinh: | course a line has to be drawn somewhere at how complex you allow it to be |
| [12:35:31] | stuartm: | but that's just my opinion, obviously some people believe otherwise |
| [12:35:54] | justinh: | I've only used it in anger a couple of times |
| [12:36:34] | justinh: | I think both those times were to catch Click at the right time because for some reason 'in this timeslot' wasn't working |
| [12:36:56] | justinh: | gonna be a moot point if I ever get iPlayer working properly ;) |
| [12:37:51] | justinh: | that's my next job.. MNV screens |
| [12:38:04] | stuartm: | justinh: so that would be a case where a bug or similar was getting in your way, and where fixing the underlying issue would be a better course of action |
| [12:38:21] | justinh: | I'll have to see how other themes do it cos mine completely buggers up the buttonlists |
| [12:38:48] | justinh: | stuartm: I think it was when uk_rt & xmltv.org conspired to mess up the listings for BBC News |
| [12:39:12] | stuartm: | which is one of the major roadblocks to eliminating many features, they were added as 'workarounds' instead of fixing the problems properly |
| [12:39:40] | justinh: | who is fighting this common sense stuff? name & shame :P |
| [12:39:58] | stuartm: | justinh: ah, I've always used EIT for BBC News |
| [12:40:20] | stuartm: | justinh: they know who they are ;) |
| [12:40:39] | justinh: | oh yeah I forgot about that |
| [12:40:53] | justinh: | I used to use it.. I wonder why I changed |
| [12:41:21] | justinh: | I think I might switch to EIT for BBC Three |
| [12:41:30] | justinh: | see if it improves the show timings any |
| [12:41:52] | justinh: | if it does, on-time recordings trump 14 days of data |
| [12:42:00] | stuartm: | xmltv for the important channels, EIT for the rest or where better descriptions/ratings are irrelevant |
| [12:42:17] | justinh: | never ceases to amaze me how bad the timing on a predominantly pre-recorded channel is |
| [12:43:21] | justinh: | ah yeh programpriority is another one where templates work but there aren't template variables that can be plugged into one template. No bigge |
| [12:43:25] | justinh: | *biggie |
| [12:43:27] | stuartm: | justinh: BBC playout has really suffered in recent times, programs running late is a constant problem even on channels were they show no live material which could conceivably cause problems |
| [12:43:42] | stuartm: | it's almost as if they _want_ to screw up PVRs |
| [12:43:54] | justinh: | but doesn't their delivery markup fix that? |
| [12:45:13] | justinh: | ITV don't get it so much, but they don't care about cutting off a trail mid-stream |
| [12:46:10] | stuartm: | I don't know, at the very least last minute schedule changes can seriously screw up other recordings, I'd be pretty pissed to discover that a program on one channel didn't record because the tuner was busy due to a last minute overrun on another |
| [12:48:04] | justinh: | I thought myth waited for delivery codes & all that now |
| [12:52:41] | justinh: | so. what's recpriorityB when it's at home then? |
| [13:04:09] | justinh: | hmm according to the wiki page.. nothing |
| [13:04:25] | justinh: | time to grep the source just to be sure |
| [13:08:58] | justinh: | ah. recpriorityB is the final priority. whatever that is |
| [13:09:38] | justinh: | or not. hmm |
| [13:17:00] | justinh: | hahahaha looking at this, only Emmerdale & Tonight With Jonothan Ross have priorities. Emmerdale has '6' & Wossy has -1 |
| [13:26:48] | ** stuartm would dispute those priorities ** | |
| [13:27:05] | stuartm: | but the scale only goes to -99 |
| [13:37:08] | justinh: | heheheh |
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| [14:17:15] | justinh: | damn, I've already forgotten everything I was going to write down |
| [14:17:41] | justinh: | it was in here but I won't find it now cos of the scrollback caused by britney's faulty internet |
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| [20:26:00] | justinh: | oh yeah – another thing – if there' |
| [20:26:25] | justinh: | if there's not one already – an icon help thing for 'scheduled recordings' etc |
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