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| [01:44:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, development by Committee, it's gotta be better because everyone gets a say. |
| [01:44:42] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:44:47] | iamlindoro: | well that's community to some |
| [01:45:03] | iamlindoro: | "If I can't contribute, I can help by adding my 'vote!'" |
| [01:49:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep. bring back the poll tax. |
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| [03:39:36] | sphery: | please pardon the paste, but I think it must be said: |
| [03:39:53] | sphery: | 20100124 05:34:05< paul-h> stuartm: do you have a preferred method for fixing ticket #7910, resize and move the date and time areas or change the time format in the clock widget to hh:mm. I guess the latter is how you designed it to look but would force 24h time format on everyone. |
| [03:40:02] | sphery: | 20100124 06:29:38<+stuartm> I'd prefer not to move it – it looks wrong if you are not using the AM/PM because it messes up the spacing, but I'm really not sure it's acceptable to force that time format either |
| [03:40:11] | sphery: | 20100124 06:47:14< paul-h> I think I'll just change the format and explain on the ticket that it's a design decision by the themer and they can always edit the theme if they don't like it. |
| [03:40:18] | sphery: | 20100124 06:49:40< paul-h> If things get ugly we can always blame iamlindoro :) He made us do it! |
| [03:40:31] | sphery: | --- So, it seems it's now time to enact plan B |
| [04:22:10] | iamlindoro: | effers made me resubscribe |
| [04:32:29] | sphery: | You just resubscribed so that you can get all defensive when we start blaming you. |
| [04:32:47] | iamlindoro: | hah |
| [07:26:16] | gbee: | I've now got people emailing me directly to ask if I really requested the change and how can I possibly defend it |
| [07:37:18] | wagnerrp: | gbee: you know what you have to do? |
| [07:38:13] | wagnerrp: | start signing up their emails for porn mailers |
| [07:39:45] | gbee: | heh |
| [07:47:28] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... the entire freebsd-pf@freebsd.org mailing list has won the irish national lottery for 750k pounds |
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| [09:50:02] | paul-h: | iamlindoro: nice email on the users list :) Someone had to say it. |
| [09:52:51] | paul-h: | Your idea from the other day of being able to change the text format mid line would be useful here |
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| [14:29:01] | iamlindoro: | paul-h, Thanks. I was probably more forceful than I would have liked to be in retrospect but I was irritated. I am happy that it seems to have gotten the desired result, though |
| [15:09:11] | paul-h: | gbee: Patch for your approval – http://pastebin.com/x0esr6L4 |
| [15:09:51] | paul-h: | The idea is you can subclass MythGenericTree and override CreateListButton() to allow you to change any UIType contained in the list button item not just the buttontext. |
| [15:10:42] | paul-h: | It's something I need for MythMusic |
| [15:11:32] | iamlindoro: | Nice |
| [15:13:37] | gbee: | paul-h: well although I really like the idea of being able to change anything in the button, it would be nice to be able to do that without subclassing MythGenericTree, unless there is another reason to do that? |
| [15:14:36] | gbee: | in other words, a generic solution which works for all instances of MythGenericTree would be great, if you can't see how that would work then I've no objection to the patch |
| [15:16:08] | paul-h: | It allows you to create say a MythMusicTree that is self contained to create the buttons |
| [15:20:19] | gbee: | how would you handle the xml? |
| [15:21:50] | gbee: | That's really my concern, I'd like to avoid screens/plugins from defining their own set of special widgets instead of expanding the existing widgets where possible and bending plans to fit those instead |
| [15:22:53] | gbee: | sorry, we're talking about GenericTree, not MythUIButtonTree |
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| [15:23:07] | gbee: | paul-h: go ahead, confused the two |
| [15:27:34] | gbee: | it kinda tramples the UI/Data segregation I had in mind, but not in a way that causes me any lost sleep |
| [15:29:38] | paul-h: | I'm open to other ideas. It just seemed a simple way to achieve what I wanted. |
| [15:31:01] | gbee: | paul-h: it's fine, just ignore everything I said ;) |
| [15:31:19] | paul-h: | Bearing in mind I don't have a lot of time to work on this stuff any more simple is best :) |
| [15:32:48] | gbee: | I can come up with something else it's easy to reverse at a later date, I'd wanted to allow more customisation of the button in buttontree, it should ideally be just as flexible as an ordinary list but that wasn't a priority at the time I was porting mythvideo |
| [15:33:16] | gbee: | s/I can/If I can/ |
| [16:45:53] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Hmm, I could have sword I had removed all the development tags in the theme docs-- guess I just removed the colors or missed some |
| [16:51:12] | gbee: | no harm, I'd have done it last week but I wanted to wait until 0.23 was released officially .... I didn't ;) |
| [16:51:58] | iamlindoro: | and oof, sword = sworn |
| [16:52:14] | iamlindoro: | Not that we don't hve people who would say "I coulda sword" |
| [16:53:09] | gbee: | as you might have noticed I've deprecated <gradient> in imagetypes in favour of the shape version, that was something I wanted to do anyway but it became more important because of the DTD |
| [16:54:07] | iamlindoro: | yeah, saw that, works for me |
| [16:55:51] | gbee: | and there are a couple of other changes that I'd like to make for 0.24 e.g<delay> in <imagetype> should be an attribute of <filepattern>? |
| [16:57:43] | gbee: | I dunno really, there are inconsistencies and little irritations with the existing schema, it would be nice to sort them out and preferably without too much disruption so that it remains stable from 0.24 onwards except for new features |
| [16:58:22] | iamlindoro: | It'll only get harder going forward, so I say go for it |
| [18:14:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: if you make the following the second line of each xml, before <mythuitheme> but after the <?xml />, I'm not sure QT uses it but it can't hurt: <!DOCTYPE mythuitheme SYSTEM "../mythuitheme.dtd"> |
| [18:14:34] | gbee: | relative path is correct when installed |
| [18:14:49] | gbee: | well, that's the hope |
| [18:16:06] | gbee: | you can check the validity online with http://xmlvalidator.new-studio.org/ or http://www.xmlvalidation.com/ – easier if you change the relative path to the DTD to an online copy, e.g. http://miffteevee.co.uk/mythuitheme.dtd |
| [20:11:29] | iamlindoro: | gbee, sure, blame the docs ;) |
| [20:13:18] | gbee: | heh, I just happened to follow the docs when putting the DTD together, I wasn't blaming the docs ;) |
| [20:15:26] | gbee: | when we have an XSD we may be able to generate docs automatically |
| [20:16:26] | iamlindoro: | That would be pretty slick-- though I think the narrative/conversational form has its place |
| [20:17:24] | gbee: | iamlindoro: well it may be possible to combine the two somehow *shrug* |
| [20:17:54] | gbee: | fwiw, not everything included in that commit was missing from the docs, some of it I just overlooked |
| [20:18:54] | iamlindoro: | Nah, I'm glad you did it, I knew the docs were just a starting point when I wrote them-- I tried to write them from code whenever possible, but there are surely missing bits |
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