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| [16:07:57] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8238 |
| [16:08:10] | ** iamlindoro wonders how an unthemed screen could be affected by the them ** | |
| [16:08:10] | iamlindoro: | e |
| [16:08:28] | iamlindoro: | broken qtlook? |
| [16:09:31] | iamlindoro: | hmm, nope, since its qtlook is the same as -wide's |
| [16:14:39] | stuartm: | not enough screen real-estate for them to be visible? Unlikely but what res are they using? |
| [16:14:55] | iamlindoro: | That's what I asked in the infoneeded :) |
| [16:14:58] | iamlindoro: | And it's my guess |
| [16:17:00] | sphery: | not-installed (Windows?) Qt theme, causing the theme to fall back to the desktop-defined theme, which may have poor representation of checkboxes? |
| [16:17:52] | iamlindoro: | A corner case one way or another |
| [16:18:10] | iamlindoro: | Works fine here at Acceptable Resolutions(tm) |
| [16:21:41] | sphery: | OK, guess it's called a Qt "Style", and we are using Windows. It's installed as part of a default Qt install, but I wouldn't be surprised if distros tear apart a default install to allow users to choose whether or not to install default components. |
| [16:21:57] | sphery: | (default Qt install including the Qt-GUI stuff) |
| [16:22:14] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I should just close it closed->NoSuchThingAsASkin |
| [16:33:21] | sphery: | In theory, though, if it's the Qt Style, it would affect all themes, equally, so the other ideas are more likely correct. |
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| [22:14:41] | ** iamlindoro screams ** | |
| [22:14:49] | ** iamlindoro takes a deep breath ** | |
| [22:14:52] | ** iamlindoro screams some more ** | |
| [22:16:03] | iamlindoro: | can. not. win. |
| [22:16:14] | ** stuartm hauls iamlindoro off to join justinh_ at the Mental Asylum for Former Themers ** | |
| [22:17:01] | iamlindoro: | I suspect this is only the beginning of the onslaught |
| [22:17:17] | iamlindoro: | when it reaches general population, I'm liable to go truly insane |
| [22:18:11] | iamlindoro: | As nobody is really shy about personally e-mailing you about their issues with your theme-- unsubscribing from the users list was a step in the right direction, though |
| [22:18:22] | wagnerrp: | this is why we need animations, with some sort of idle timer |
| [22:18:36] | wagnerrp: | if they sit in the main menu for more than a minute |
| [22:18:44] | wagnerrp: | assuming theyre inching closer to the tv |
| [22:18:50] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out what that image is |
| [22:19:08] | wagnerrp: | and then show a frightening image and blast the speaker |
| [22:19:25] | iamlindoro: | Or the ability to gradually blur the image to encourage quick thinking ;) |
| [22:20:51] | iamlindoro: | Very frustrating when, after months of working on the theme to make it consistent, attractive, complete, etc., people can't stomach the (user supply-able) background that I happen to like quite a lot |
| [22:21:12] | iamlindoro: | especially when the BGs were done in an hour, making them the teensiest part of the overall theme |
| [22:27:04] | iamlindoro: | paul-h, Re: Your message to -developers... should be okay to get that in post-release? |
| [22:27:12] | iamlindoro: | (unless you think it's an actual blocker) |
| [22:31:39] | Beirdo: | what's all this screaming about? |
| [22:33:02] | wagnerrp: | check #mythtv |
| [22:43:56] | ** iamlindoro punches the wall and screams some more ** | |
| [22:43:59] | iamlindoro: | every |
| [22:44:01] | iamlindoro: | decision |
| [22:45:15] | iamlindoro: | So, to recap, users want a flashy UI that is actually just a readable list of text, that is animated, but takes up no CPU, with sophisticated new approaches that are updates of existing ten year old themes. |
| [22:45:23] | iamlindoro: | Any questions? |
| [22:46:06] | stuartm: | sounds simple |
| [22:50:15] | iamlindoro: | but don't worry, if you miss any of these helpful hints, they will happily e-mail and question you about any decision you may have made, however small, and however arbitrary ;) |
| [22:50:26] | ** iamlindoro is not actually upset, just having a bit of fun ranting ** | |
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| [22:57:05] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: tonight's deadline is a hard one? I did want to get involved in voting, but I haven't given the themes sufficient review – I know I've had plenty of time and warning so I've only myself to blame |
| [22:57:39] | iamlindoro: | I am only keen to cut off user voting, dev voting can probably go on |
| [22:58:38] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yeah well... take the "suggestions" as you want, and then make your executive decision :) It's your theme |
| [23:00:04] | Beirdo: | and I kinda like it :) |
| [23:00:31] | Beirdo: | it's different... and different is good |
| [23:00:46] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I actually did mostly learn those lessons in writing Graphite |
| [23:00:51] | iamlindoro: | but I'm a whole lot more attached to Arclight |
| [23:01:01] | iamlindoro: | as I put about 10x as much work into it |
| [23:02:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:02:31] | Beirdo: | I must say, it does look kinda ... odd with no fanart having the top right so empty |
| [23:02:38] | Beirdo: | but I do see why it was done that way |
| [23:02:55] | Beirdo: | with fanart, it is nice to have some that pokes through |
| [23:02:57] | iamlindoro: | As mentioned elsewhere, it still looks good to me, but what do I know |
| [23:03:22] | Beirdo: | nah, I'm not complaining. odd as in different and unexpected at first |
| [23:03:32] | Beirdo: | but it certainly has its purpose |
| [23:04:01] | iamlindoro: | At this point in Graphite's development, I had already ditched it in favor of Arclight, which was only two or three screens |
| [23:04:09] | iamlindoro: | Whereas I show no signs of stopping use of Arclight |
| [23:04:17] | iamlindoro: | so I have at least on satisfied user ;) |
| [23:04:19] | iamlindoro: | er one |
| [23:05:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:05:33] | Beirdo: | do you have an icon for SD shows, BTW? |
| [23:05:40] | Beirdo: | or is it just a lack of one? |
| [23:05:58] | iamlindoro: | There's no videoflag for standard def, so there's no statetype to be used for it |
| [23:06:04] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [23:06:09] | iamlindoro: | s/statetype/state/ |
| [23:06:22] | Beirdo: | until the db changes for resolution, etc happen, there's no possible way |
| [23:06:30] | Beirdo: | so lack of icon :) |
| [23:06:33] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [23:07:21] | iamlindoro: | Well, adding a flag/state would be an easy affair, probably 2–3 lines of code, I just only cared about which HD resolutions they were when I wrote that stuff |
| [23:07:54] | Beirdo: | yah |
| [23:08:28] | Beirdo: | be cool to have MPEG-2 vs H.264 in there somehow too |
| [23:08:40] | iamlindoro: | There's already a videoflag for AVC |
| [23:08:42] | Beirdo: | again, may have to wait for the db changes |
| [23:08:44] | iamlindoro: | (H.264) |
| [23:09:12] | iamlindoro: | you would just need to expand where it gets set-- currently the only thing that can turn it on is ETI info in places that send it |
| [23:09:15] | sphery: | Beirdo: I thought that the 2fps slideshow you got when you played H.264 on the wrong system was enough of a flag. :) |
| [23:09:17] | iamlindoro: | er EIT |
| [23:09:36] | Beirdo: | sphery: hehe :) |
| [23:09:58] | Beirdo: | but really, looks good |
| [23:10:49] | Beirdo: | I have to think of appropriate background fanart for my setup ;) |
| [23:11:14] | Beirdo: | what format does the background need to be? PNG, I assume? |
| [23:12:13] | iamlindoro: | anything Qt can live with |
| [23:12:37] | iamlindoro: | and doesn't need to be specifically referenced in Arclight, it's randomized from the Backgrounds directory |
| [23:12:56] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [23:13:05] | iamlindoro: | (though you *may* want to change the one reference in qtlook.txt, since that governs the BG in Qt settings screens) |
| [23:13:14] | Beirdo: | so if I get a few, it will kinda cycle through them |
| [23:13:18] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [23:13:27] | Beirdo: | now that is cool |
| [23:14:01] | Beirdo: | the default blue pixelated is nice anyways. |
| [23:14:05] | Beirdo: | I'm a sucker for blue |
| [23:14:19] | iamlindoro: | We need a green theme |
| [23:14:28] | iamlindoro: | Arclight was supposed to be, just didn't really end up that way |
| [23:14:31] | Beirdo: | need a pink theme for WAF :) |
| [23:14:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:14:41] | Beirdo: | not that I care much about that anymore |
| [23:14:45] | iamlindoro: | Childish is pinkish |
| [23:14:48] | Beirdo: | make something girly |
| [23:14:54] | Beirdo: | heh, cool |
| [23:15:13] | wagnerrp: | never really liked green |
| [23:15:42] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I wonder how arclight would look with solid black background |
| [23:15:50] | iamlindoro: | goth |
| [23:16:03] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, I guess |
| [23:16:12] | wagnerrp: | hey, just in time for the The Crow remake! |
| [23:16:30] | Beirdo: | it's flexible enough to use with many color schemes though |
| [23:16:54] | iamlindoro: | I suspect plain black would actually make it pretty hard to read |
| [23:17:06] | iamlindoro: | since much of the design is about darkening what's behind it |
| [23:17:15] | iamlindoro: | and black is tough to darken :) |
| [23:17:16] | Beirdo: | quite possibly. likely need a grey of some sorts |
| [23:17:54] | Beirdo: | but anyways... I will see what I can come up with to play with |
| [23:18:10] | Beirdo: | first I have to reinstall that machine and hope X unscrews itself |
| [23:18:23] | Beirdo: | stupid ubuntu + ATI |
| [23:19:00] | Beirdo: | and of course, I run letterboxed |
| [23:19:05] | Beirdo: | essentially |
| [23:19:30] | Beirdo: | widescreen on a SD CRT monitor :) |
| [23:19:45] | wagnerrp: | where did you ever find a SD monitor? |
| [23:20:01] | Beirdo: | ummm, it's an old POS Dell CRT? |
| [23:20:15] | Beirdo: | it's what I had :) |
| [23:20:32] | Beirdo: | I'll start rebuilding after the move. |
| [23:20:52] | wagnerrp: | last time ive seen a SD CRT was the 13" we for dos on our old XT |
| [23:21:14] | Beirdo: | I mean SD aspect ratio, not resolution :) |
| [23:21:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:21:28] | wagnerrp: | you mean full screen |
| [23:21:43] | Beirdo: | 4:3 |
| [23:22:05] | Beirdo: | so I letterbox the theme, and it works pretty dang well |
| [23:23:32] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/screenshot2.png |
| [23:23:35] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/screenshot.png |
| [23:23:39] | Beirdo: | for example |
| [23:25:23] | Beirdo: | OK, now I really need food. blargh. be back in a bit. |
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