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[09:43:26] Roklobster: why does myth want to schedule a recording of a repeat on a friday of a program 1st broadcast on the previous wed?
[09:43:36] Roklobster: i want the 1st broadcast recorded!
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[14:30:18] Kwisher: Roklobster: i've seen that also
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[17:02:01] mengoshmink: I'm considering changing my BE hardware for all solid state and moving all storage groups to a Synology NAS, anyone have any positive / negative opinions?
[17:02:02] mengoshmink: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/c730037/saved/2ssNNG
[17:03:30] Kwisher: only thing you might reconsider is building your own NAS
[17:05:19] mengoshmink: always built my own before, think this would be a better solution
[17:05:35] mengoshmink: why do you say build my own?
[17:06:35] Kwisher: i don't like vendor lockin, prices seem quite high for what you get also
[17:06:53] Kwisher: ever looked into FreeNAS?
[17:07:57] mengoshmink: Sure, but I really want two full PC's.
[17:08:55] mengoshmink: Also, not used FreeNAS before because normally I have one box for MythTV BE, storage and other servers (games server etc)
[17:10:18] Kwisher: same here, i don't use FreeNAS, just a suggestion since you specified a prefab NAS
[17:12:17] mengoshmink: I don't think I should see problems recording to NAS, playback from NAS (via BE) etc, or at least hope not
[17:14:04] mengoshmink: Although RAID is not a backup, having a Synology (or similar) should be better then my setting up a PC and breaking something (again :P )
[17:15:01] mengoshmink: Also should keep HD's cooler, easier to upgrade HD's etc
[17:16:00] Kwisher: what synology unit?
[17:16:05] mengoshmink: Biggest concern is latency between BE and NAS, FE and BE (and NAS)
[17:16:17] mengoshmink: https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS918+
[17:18:40] Kwisher: so you're talking roughly $750 with drives
[17:19:24] mengoshmink: I haven't shopped around yet for the NAS, still deciding on HD sizes and quantity
[17:26:07] Kwisher: can you not add 4 drives for raid to your current box?
[17:26:20] mengoshmink: already done that
[17:29:59] Kwisher: i don't see the benefit of a $750 NAS but it's your money
[17:31:12] mengoshmink: What happens is this, buy 2 HD's and fit to BE, when they get full, buy two more HD's
[17:31:49] mengoshmink: When 4 HD's full struggle to upgrade HD's without fear of loosing data
[17:33:04] Kwisher: i currently have 2 – 4 disk zfs pools, fairly easy to add & replace drives as they fail
[17:33:29] mengoshmink: ZFS or Btrfs are options too
[17:33:44] mengoshmink: In fact I think Synology uses Btrfs!
[17:34:32] mengoshmink: Basically I am being lazy, Synology should be easier to manage
[17:34:57] mengoshmink: I use RAID and LVM at the moment, works pretty good
[17:40:22] Kwisher: only thing that scares me about a premade nas is what happens if the device fails?
[17:40:51] mengoshmink: haha that is exactly one of my fears for my home-made nas
[17:41:08] mengoshmink: if device fails, buy new, off the shelf and replace
[17:41:19] Kwisher: i can move my disks to anoter pc pretty quickly
[17:41:47] Kwisher: that's why i don't like vendor lockin
[17:42:10] Kwisher: move disks and not lose any data
[17:42:17] mengoshmink: If I had 1x HD for OS and 4x HD for NAS I may not worry so much
[17:43:26] mengoshmink: do you have MythTV BE and ZFS pool on the same hardware?
[17:43:34] Kwisher: yep
[17:43:56] mengoshmink: hmm, I want to speak to someone who doesn't to see if they had problems
[17:44:42] mengoshmink: To be honest if I had more resource (space, confidence etc) I would probably continue with existing setup or similar to yours
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[20:43:24] Roklobster: mengoshmink: i use ssd for main and 3x2TB in a raid5
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[20:55:21] mengoshmink: thanks Kwisher and Roklobster
[20:56:52] mengoshmink: Roklobster, I have RAID1, want something better which is also why I am considering external NAS, easier to setup RAID10. I understand setting up is not that hard but I get worried when handling TB's of data
[20:57:24] mengoshmink: I hear RAID5 and RAID6 are not great for larger drives
[20:57:57] mengoshmink: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/356919-why-raid-5-sucks
[20:58:16] mengoshmink: http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-raid-6-stops-working-in-2019/
[21:04:44] Kwisher: does that apply to zfs?
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[21:19:10] mengoshmink: not sure
[21:20:26] mengoshmink: I think using ZFS or Btrfs will help but I could be wrong
[21:21:30] Roklobster: mengoshmink: i have used jfs or xfs on raid5 with myth for nearly 10 years now
[21:21:35] Roklobster: works fine
[21:22:34] Roklobster: if you bought nas you'd be making the same choices
[21:22:39] mengoshmink: tbh I run RAD1 with LVM and never had a problem, I monitor my HD's with SMART and if I see something dodgy I swap out the disk
[21:22:49] mengoshmink: yup, I know
[21:23:06] mengoshmink: more concerned about latency between NAS and separate BE
[21:23:47] mengoshmink: found some people record on BE then transcode to NAS, I will record and playback directly from NAS
[21:28:07] Roklobster: transcode? who does that in 2018?
[21:28:15] Roklobster: it's not like you're short on drive space.
[21:28:23] mengoshmink: hah I do
[21:28:27] Roklobster: it stop transcoding a loooong time ago
[21:28:33] Roklobster: waste of time/cpu
[21:28:38] Roklobster: electricity etc
[21:28:59] mengoshmink: If I record in SD, I generally don't transcode, if I record in HD then I re-encode
[21:29:22] mengoshmink: I would of run out of HD space a long time if I didn't
[21:29:24] Kwisher: i only do it for things i keep or friends/family
[21:29:38] mengoshmink: oh, I keep a lot
[21:30:00] mengoshmink: I scan TV listings once a week, record a lot of films
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[21:40:08] Roklobster: oh ok
[21:40:12] Roklobster: we watch and delete
[21:40:27] Roklobster: if you got a nas 1Gbit would be way fats enough
[21:40:36] Roklobster: rem it's 100+MB/sec full duplex
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[21:48:23] mengoshmink: I delete, after I transcode ;-)
[21:49:01] mengoshmink: I have a 1Gbit switch for LAN traffic, router is only 10/100
[21:50:15] mengoshmink: thank you, feeling more confident things will work now
[21:51:30] Roklobster: just get a decent raid that can keep up OR just use mdadm in your server
[21:51:39] Roklobster: the NAS will be using MDADM anyway
[21:53:55] mengoshmink: I know it sounds wrong, but I trust myself more with a Synology GUI when managing my disks than me on the CLI
[21:54:47] mengoshmink: at the end it will be an overpriced linux box but tbh when I have looked to build myself to the spec I want I can't get there, which is why I am now considering the 2 boxes
[21:58:48] Kwisher: sounds like you just need a new case and 4 drives
[21:59:20] mengoshmink: boring lol
[22:01:31] mengoshmink: to be honest one of the big motivations is that I can see the current hardware running hotter than I would like but I have nowhere to safely move the drives to, so a new setup (excuse), plus the drives are reaching 50,000 hours on so time to change
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