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[09:43:26] | Roklobster: | why does myth want to schedule a recording of a repeat on a friday of a program 1st broadcast on the previous wed? |
[09:43:36] | Roklobster: | i want the 1st broadcast recorded! |
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[14:30:18] | Kwisher: | Roklobster: i've seen that also |
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[17:02:01] | mengoshmink: | I'm considering changing my BE hardware for all solid state and moving all storage groups to a Synology NAS, anyone have any positive / negative opinions? |
[17:02:02] | mengoshmink: | https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/c730037/saved/2ssNNG |
[17:03:30] | Kwisher: | only thing you might reconsider is building your own NAS |
[17:05:19] | mengoshmink: | always built my own before, think this would be a better solution |
[17:05:35] | mengoshmink: | why do you say build my own? |
[17:06:35] | Kwisher: | i don't like vendor lockin, prices seem quite high for what you get also |
[17:06:53] | Kwisher: | ever looked into FreeNAS? |
[17:07:57] | mengoshmink: | Sure, but I really want two full PC's. |
[17:08:55] | mengoshmink: | Also, not used FreeNAS before because normally I have one box for MythTV BE, storage and other servers (games server etc) |
[17:10:18] | Kwisher: | same here, i don't use FreeNAS, just a suggestion since you specified a prefab NAS |
[17:12:17] | mengoshmink: | I don't think I should see problems recording to NAS, playback from NAS (via BE) etc, or at least hope not |
[17:14:04] | mengoshmink: | Although RAID is not a backup, having a Synology (or similar) should be better then my setting up a PC and breaking something (again :P ) |
[17:15:01] | mengoshmink: | Also should keep HD's cooler, easier to upgrade HD's etc |
[17:16:00] | Kwisher: | what synology unit? |
[17:16:05] | mengoshmink: | Biggest concern is latency between BE and NAS, FE and BE (and NAS) |
[17:16:17] | mengoshmink: | https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS918+ |
[17:18:40] | Kwisher: | so you're talking roughly $750 with drives |
[17:19:24] | mengoshmink: | I haven't shopped around yet for the NAS, still deciding on HD sizes and quantity |
[17:26:07] | Kwisher: | can you not add 4 drives for raid to your current box? |
[17:26:20] | mengoshmink: | already done that |
[17:29:59] | Kwisher: | i don't see the benefit of a $750 NAS but it's your money |
[17:31:12] | mengoshmink: | What happens is this, buy 2 HD's and fit to BE, when they get full, buy two more HD's |
[17:31:49] | mengoshmink: | When 4 HD's full struggle to upgrade HD's without fear of loosing data |
[17:33:04] | Kwisher: | i currently have 2 – 4 disk zfs pools, fairly easy to add & replace drives as they fail |
[17:33:29] | mengoshmink: | ZFS or Btrfs are options too |
[17:33:44] | mengoshmink: | In fact I think Synology uses Btrfs! |
[17:34:32] | mengoshmink: | Basically I am being lazy, Synology should be easier to manage |
[17:34:57] | mengoshmink: | I use RAID and LVM at the moment, works pretty good |
[17:40:22] | Kwisher: | only thing that scares me about a premade nas is what happens if the device fails? |
[17:40:51] | mengoshmink: | haha that is exactly one of my fears for my home-made nas |
[17:41:08] | mengoshmink: | if device fails, buy new, off the shelf and replace |
[17:41:19] | Kwisher: | i can move my disks to anoter pc pretty quickly |
[17:41:47] | Kwisher: | that's why i don't like vendor lockin |
[17:42:10] | Kwisher: | move disks and not lose any data |
[17:42:17] | mengoshmink: | If I had 1x HD for OS and 4x HD for NAS I may not worry so much |
[17:43:26] | mengoshmink: | do you have MythTV BE and ZFS pool on the same hardware? |
[17:43:34] | Kwisher: | yep |
[17:43:56] | mengoshmink: | hmm, I want to speak to someone who doesn't to see if they had problems |
[17:44:42] | mengoshmink: | To be honest if I had more resource (space, confidence etc) I would probably continue with existing setup or similar to yours |
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[20:43:24] | Roklobster: | mengoshmink: i use ssd for main and 3x2TB in a raid5 |
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[20:55:21] | mengoshmink: | thanks Kwisher and Roklobster |
[20:56:52] | mengoshmink: | Roklobster, I have RAID1, want something better which is also why I am considering external NAS, easier to setup RAID10. I understand setting up is not that hard but I get worried when handling TB's of data |
[20:57:24] | mengoshmink: | I hear RAID5 and RAID6 are not great for larger drives |
[20:57:57] | mengoshmink: | https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/356919-why-raid-5-sucks |
[20:58:16] | mengoshmink: | http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-raid-6-stops-working-in-2019/ |
[21:04:44] | Kwisher: | does that apply to zfs? |
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[21:19:10] | mengoshmink: | not sure |
[21:20:26] | mengoshmink: | I think using ZFS or Btrfs will help but I could be wrong |
[21:21:30] | Roklobster: | mengoshmink: i have used jfs or xfs on raid5 with myth for nearly 10 years now |
[21:21:35] | Roklobster: | works fine |
[21:22:34] | Roklobster: | if you bought nas you'd be making the same choices |
[21:22:39] | mengoshmink: | tbh I run RAD1 with LVM and never had a problem, I monitor my HD's with SMART and if I see something dodgy I swap out the disk |
[21:22:49] | mengoshmink: | yup, I know |
[21:23:06] | mengoshmink: | more concerned about latency between NAS and separate BE |
[21:23:47] | mengoshmink: | found some people record on BE then transcode to NAS, I will record and playback directly from NAS |
[21:28:07] | Roklobster: | transcode? who does that in 2018? |
[21:28:15] | Roklobster: | it's not like you're short on drive space. |
[21:28:23] | mengoshmink: | hah I do |
[21:28:27] | Roklobster: | it stop transcoding a loooong time ago |
[21:28:33] | Roklobster: | waste of time/cpu |
[21:28:38] | Roklobster: | electricity etc |
[21:28:59] | mengoshmink: | If I record in SD, I generally don't transcode, if I record in HD then I re-encode |
[21:29:22] | mengoshmink: | I would of run out of HD space a long time if I didn't |
[21:29:24] | Kwisher: | i only do it for things i keep or friends/family |
[21:29:38] | mengoshmink: | oh, I keep a lot |
[21:30:00] | mengoshmink: | I scan TV listings once a week, record a lot of films |
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[21:40:08] | Roklobster: | oh ok |
[21:40:12] | Roklobster: | we watch and delete |
[21:40:27] | Roklobster: | if you got a nas 1Gbit would be way fats enough |
[21:40:36] | Roklobster: | rem it's 100+MB/sec full duplex |
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[21:48:23] | mengoshmink: | I delete, after I transcode ;-) |
[21:49:01] | mengoshmink: | I have a 1Gbit switch for LAN traffic, router is only 10/100 |
[21:50:15] | mengoshmink: | thank you, feeling more confident things will work now |
[21:51:30] | Roklobster: | just get a decent raid that can keep up OR just use mdadm in your server |
[21:51:39] | Roklobster: | the NAS will be using MDADM anyway |
[21:53:55] | mengoshmink: | I know it sounds wrong, but I trust myself more with a Synology GUI when managing my disks than me on the CLI |
[21:54:47] | mengoshmink: | at the end it will be an overpriced linux box but tbh when I have looked to build myself to the spec I want I can't get there, which is why I am now considering the 2 boxes |
[21:58:48] | Kwisher: | sounds like you just need a new case and 4 drives |
[21:59:20] | mengoshmink: | boring lol |
[22:01:31] | mengoshmink: | to be honest one of the big motivations is that I can see the current hardware running hotter than I would like but I have nowhere to safely move the drives to, so a new setup (excuse), plus the drives are reaching 50,000 hours on so time to change |
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