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| [02:17:21] | Korny: | Good evening, anyone around who I can pick their brain about old server hardware? |
| [02:21:34] | Kwisher: | i'll try to help if i can |
| [02:25:10] | Korny: | I run an unraid setup, and I built a new system that came with some old xeon 2620's they work for what I'm using it for, but I'm going to be virtualizing my desktop and giving my current computer to my son for a gaming computer |
| [02:25:24] | Korny: | I'm trying to decide between a 2680 v2 and a 2650 v2 |
| [02:25:59] | Korny: | I'm leaning toward the 2680 v2 but the all core boost is the same between the 2 and honestly I can't see myself using 40 threads very often lol |
| [02:27:51] | Korny: | http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon . . . 50%20v2.html vs http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon . . . 80%20v2.html |
| [02:28:51] | Korny: | single core boost is 200mhz more with the 2680v2 so I dunno :/ |
| [02:29:41] | Kwisher: | depends on your budget i guess |
| [02:31:13] | Korny: | I can get 2 2650s for 260 or 2 2680 for 360 sooo I dunno. |
| [02:33:14] | Korny: | I was going to make a ryzen based server but with ram costs ddr4 is stupid expensive |
| [02:34:39] | Korny: | I got 64 gigs of ECC for 160, 250 for the motherboard with slow xeons and new power supply for 80 I did pretty good and strangly it only idles about 30 watt higher then the previous single cpu server |
| [02:43:09] | Kwisher: | is the 2680 all the mobo will do? |
| [02:46:29] | Korny: | no it will do any v2 xeon |
| [02:47:34] | Korny: | but the price jump to the 2690 is 110 a chip and even more for lower core but higher ghz models |
| [02:57:10] | Kwisher: | if the 2680's are in your budget and serve your needs then do it |
| [03:01:39] | trumee: | Is HD-PVR specific to PAL or NTSC region? |
| [03:02:45] | trumee: | Korny, Ryzen or EPYC? |
| [03:05:50] | Korny: | trumee: I'm now using refurbished 2nd gen xeon, I had looked at the ryzens but the iommu groupings sucked even on 370 boards |
| [03:06:43] | Korny: | Plus DDR 4 for 32 to 64 gigs of ram is stupid expensive right now |
| [03:06:47] | trumee: | Korny, i think iommu have been sorted out in the latest microcode update. |
| [03:07:03] | trumee: | Korny, xeon is more a stable platform i would think |
| [03:07:23] | trumee: | The xeon v1/v2 are power hungry though |
| [03:07:33] | trumee: | v3/v4 should be a better choice |
| [03:07:38] | Korny: | Not all that much worse then a threadripper |
| [03:08:21] | trumee: | threadripper has same power usage as v1/v2? |
| [03:08:25] | Korny: | 180 watts for a single chip (thread ripper) vs 230 for 2 2680's , problem with v3's and v4's is ddr4 |
| [03:09:00] | Korny: | and v3's and v4's are more cores with lower single core speeds |
| [03:10:10] | trumee: | ddr4 is at stupid price. luckily i bought some for my xeon build before the price went up |
| [03:10:19] | trumee: | They are supposed to come down next year |
| [03:10:45] | Korny: | I got 64 gigs of ecc ddr for 160 I believe, not to horrible |
| [03:10:48] | Korny: | samsung |
| [03:11:07] | trumee: | What i dont like about ryzen/threadripper is that there is no ipmi motherboard |
| [03:11:33] | trumee: | atleast with xeon, supermicro has nice ipmi motherboards |
| [03:11:35] | Korny: | I never new about ipmi until my current board |
| [03:11:43] | Korny: | asrock's are nice as well, thats what I have |
| [03:12:11] | trumee: | i have never used asrock. Do they have ipmi for AMD mobo? |
| [03:12:18] | Korny: | no for xeon board |
| [03:12:25] | trumee: | yeah, that sucks |
| [03:12:33] | Korny: | http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdeta . . . ecifications |
| [03:12:37] | Korny: | thats the board I have |
| [03:13:02] | trumee: | interesting |
| [03:13:07] | trumee: | this is mine, http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . x10dri-t.cfm |
| [03:13:38] | Korny: | I got it brand new for 250 on serverathome with 2 2620v1's and some cheap coolers, not a bad setup really for what I"m using it for |
| [03:13:53] | Korny: | and my virtual machines are rock stable compared to my old setup with a 4790k |
| [03:14:26] | trumee: | the CPUs are right behind one another and not staggered. I guess the one behind must be hotter |
| [03:14:39] | Korny: | 1–2 C |
| [03:14:41] | Korny: | its not bad |
| [03:15:17] | trumee: | idle used is 230W? |
| [03:15:25] | Korny: | no |
| [03:16:06] | trumee: | more? |
| [03:16:33] | Korny: | idle is about 170, including 2 GPUs(nvidia 730, about 10watts a piece) nvme drive via a PCIex4 adapter and a LSI sas expander |
| [03:16:38] | Korny: | and 1 ssd |
| [03:16:44] | trumee: | nice |
| [03:16:53] | Korny: | but it never really idles |
| [03:17:43] | Korny: | because I run mythtv in a virtual machine plus a openelec box with vga passthrough and a linux mint box for my linux box |
| [03:18:12] | Korny: | so 170 is really with an * |
| [03:18:26] | trumee: | thats great. i too am running myth in a virtual machine. Using bhyve hypervisor running on top of FreeBSD |
| [03:18:47] | Korny: | https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0091IZ1ZG/ . . . =servecom-20 |
| [03:18:54] | Korny: | I have it in that case |
| [03:19:21] | trumee: | Would you happen to know id HD PVR is region specific (ie PAL or NTSC)? |
| [03:19:29] | Korny: | I don't sorry |
| [03:19:40] | Korny: | I use HD Homerun exclusively |
| [03:20:04] | Korny: | Does PAL/NTSC even apply for HD signals anymore? |
| [03:20:06] | trumee: | yeah, i had that exact rosewill chassis. but i moved over to supermicro. |
| [03:20:53] | Korny: | I changed out all the fans to PWM fans so I use a ipmi plugin to turn the fans down when the HD's are under 30 degrees |
| [03:21:02] | trumee: | I dont know. if i try v4l-ctl on the device it says Video Standard = 0x0000f900, NTSC-M/M-JP/443/M-KR |
| [03:21:35] | trumee: | on the a second hdpvr it reports Video Standard = 0x00000007, PAL-B/B1/G |
| [03:21:47] | trumee: | funnily enough both have the same model number |
| [03:22:06] | trumee: | out of the box the fans on rosewill are quiet |
| [03:23:47] | Korny: | They are |
| [03:23:59] | Korny: | I had no issues with them I just wanted more control |
| [03:24:04] | Korny: | and better cord management |
| [03:24:18] | Korny: | the molex connectors made a complete mess of my setup |
| [03:24:41] | trumee: | yeah i hated those molex, hence my upgrade to supermicro. |
| [03:25:00] | trumee: | supermicro however is quite noisy |
| [03:25:35] | Korny: | I jsut switched out the fans, my the fans I used you can daisy chain fans together so I have the 4 front fan controllers on the motherboard(pwms) controlling 6 fans |
| [03:25:49] | trumee: | cool |
| [03:27:58] | Korny: | my 120mm fans are running at 700 rpm right now |
| [03:30:25] | trumee: | can hdhomerun record using composite video? |
| [03:30:46] | Kwisher: | nope |
| [03:31:40] | trumee: | there isnt much choice out their for recording composite. My favorite was PVR-500, but are PCI based. |
| [03:32:25] | trumee: | it would be nice if mythbackend could run on Windows and use the windows drivers. That would open all the Hauppauge tuners to be used |
| [03:32:53] | trumee: | Sagetv apparently has both a windows and linux server/client. |
| [03:32:55] | Kwisher: | blashphemy :) |
| [03:33:05] | trumee: | yeah |
| [03:33:28] | trumee: | I like mythtv more (been running it for more than a decade) |
| [03:33:54] | trumee: | But lack of tuners is killing me now. |
| [03:34:26] | trumee: | mythbackend can run on Windows, but it cant use the tuners |
| [03:34:50] | trumee: | It would be nice if windows could be made a secondary backend |
| [03:37:35] | Korny: | why do you need to record composite? |
| [03:37:58] | Korny: | Just curious |
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| [03:45:26] | trumee: | I am recording my STB output |
| [03:45:40] | trumee: | The STB has composite output |
| [03:45:55] | trumee: | Korny, ^^ |
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| [04:27:10] | Korny: | trumee: do you have comcast? |
| [04:27:30] | Korny: | if you do its sooo much easier to get a HDhomerun prime and a cable card |
| [04:27:59] | Korny: | or do you use for DRM channels? |
| [04:29:07] | Kwisher: | bet he has sattelite |
| [04:29:14] | trumee: | Korny, yes satellite |
| [04:29:37] | Korny: | ahhhh |
| [04:53:57] | Korny: | trumee: have you looked at https://www.videohelp.com/capturecards |
| [04:54:42] | trumee: | Korny, thanks. wasnt aware of that website |
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| [18:13:31] | Kwisher: | is it safe to upgrade to .29? any known issues? |
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| [21:20:17] | Roklobster: | Kwisher: it's all good. do it |
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| [21:57:03] | mack-: | kwisher: just follow the procedure on the wiki |
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| [22:59:31] | Kwisher: | mack-: got a link to what you are referring to? |
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| [23:09:37] | Kwisher: | i do daily DB backups so not worried there |
| [23:10:03] | Kwisher: | plus i will make a / image with clonezilla befor the upgrade |
| [23:11:00] | Kwisher: | tried upgrading my desktop from xubuntu 17.04 to 17.10 today and then trying to downgrade .29 to .28 |
| [23:11:38] | Kwisher: | the myth downgrade failed so reverted back to my clone backup |
| [23:25:59] | mack-: | Kwisher: was thinking of Special Notices here, but was thinking there was something more there. https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_29 |
| [23:26:43] | Kwisher: | seen that, so thanks |
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