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Tuesday, February 21st, 2017, 00:07 UTC
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[00:09:33] jab416171: I'm trying to run mythtv-stup remotely with x11 forwarding, but I don't see anything on my screen. the last line of the log is "2017-02–20 17:05:02.458261 I Using Full Screen Window"
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[02:04:14] jab416171: if I wanted to track all of the programs I've recorded in a new installation, how would I do that?
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[02:51:20] koffel: does anyone in here have verizon fios?
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[02:58:00] jab416171: I'm thinking converting all of my tables to innodb may not have been the best idea.
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[04:10:12] koffel: does anyone in here have verizon fios?
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[14:39:53] koffel: does anyone in here have verizon fios?
[14:56:11] membiblio: koffel: what is up with verizon?
[14:57:49] koffel: tring to find out if there channels drm?
[14:58:30] membiblio: their
[14:58:48] membiblio: and you are asking about clear qam versus other ?
[14:59:01] membiblio: like hbo?
[14:59:06] membiblio: vs cbs?
[14:59:15] koffel: no like fox networks
[14:59:19] koffel: fxx
[14:59:26] koffel: and nat geo
[15:00:08] membiblio: I have verizon fios for data only when I had cable I had a cable card that allowed a dvr like a tivo to tune and record protected stations
[15:01:04] membiblio: as I remember only stations that were pay were protected everything else was free for all except programs marked differently which could not be recorded or expired early :(
[15:01:36] koffel: you have verizon for internet?
[15:01:38] membiblio: but I had to have a cable card to receive anything
[15:01:53] membiblio: yes I have verizon fios for internet
[15:02:00] koffel: how is it
[15:02:16] koffel: can you download and upload at same time?
[15:03:02] membiblio: it is fine I am in pittsburgh the only thing I noticed is that, compared to tmobile data, fios takes longer to load music from google play after the first song but on tmobile data everything works snappily
[15:03:37] membiblio: yes it is async one full channel up and one full channel down it is fiber and not cable like docsis
[15:04:02] koffel: docsis is 2 channel
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[15:04:20] membiblio: docsis can be multiple channels in newer versions
[15:04:27] koffel: yeah
[15:04:33] membiblio: yes
[15:04:43] koffel: i was thinking on getting fios for internet
[15:04:53] membiblio: who do you have now?
[15:04:59] koffel: to run my plex server
[15:05:12] koffel: comcast bussiness class
[15:05:17] membiblio: i don't recommend changing until you need leverage
[15:05:30] membiblio: all data providers in us basically are poor
[15:05:47] koffel: upload on bussiness is 15mb
[15:05:56] membiblio: verizon business a little less so but still basically an unhappy venue to work within
[15:06:08] koffel: and 2 people on plex slows it down
[15:06:31] membiblio: how much data do you pull per stream?
[15:07:01] koffel: upload 2 people 5 mb each
[15:07:17] membiblio: remember that everyone is subjected to backhaul between provider and internet and some providers peer unequally which is why I think google music slows
[15:07:23] membiblio: 5m per channel?
[15:07:28] koffel: yes
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[15:08:17] membiblio: I guess I'm old school but, in my opinion, 1.5mbps is great for h.264 but this means nothing to others
[15:08:20] koffel: membiblio if i am uploading 10mb download crawls on comcast
[15:08:46] membiblio: which modem and which router?
[15:09:01] koffel: dp39
[15:09:09] koffel: no router
[15:09:17] koffel: it direct hardline
[15:09:18] membiblio: you don't have a nat device?
[15:09:28] koffel: correct
[15:09:47] membiblio: you have one single ip address to one machine?
[15:10:05] koffel: yes
[15:10:37] koffel: i am using a docsis 3.0 modem
[15:10:42] koffel: static ip
[15:11:00] koffel: paying 289.97 per month
[15:11:40] membiblio: i have business customers using comcast with a bridger router and they have 20 users doing voip and a tv up front in reception that plays cbs news video on a android stick and they still get fast up and fast down – when i visit and do a speed check it is perky
[15:11:47] membiblio: what area of the country are you in?
[15:12:02] koffel: pa
[15:12:05] koffel: usa
[15:12:09] membiblio: i am as well pittsburgh
[15:12:18] membiblio: what city and community?
[15:12:19] koffel: near philly
[15:12:29] koffel: harleysville pa
[15:12:56] membiblio: ok that was the company that went bankrupt 15 years ago right – the one where the father stole money? before comcast bought the system
[15:13:05] membiblio: I forget the old company name
[15:13:28] membiblio: something is up with your configuration and speed
[15:13:35] koffel: subran cable
[15:13:48] membiblio: suburban cable? how old are you?
[15:13:55] koffel: 49
[15:14:08] membiblio: ok well use this as leverage
[15:14:30] membiblio: start with comcast and threaten to change to fios
[15:14:30] koffel: been with comcast since 1980
[15:14:43] membiblio: fuck comcast if they won't do well for you
[15:15:02] koffel: this the thing in my area they only have 150/20 max
[15:15:13] membiblio: i have no loyalty to companies who don't provide the service they promise to
[15:15:31] membiblio: something better is better than something broken and your install seems broken
[15:15:39] membiblio: unless is it something you are doing
[15:15:41] koffel: yeah
[15:15:55] koffel: well u know what plex is
[15:15:56] membiblio: your network topology seems... unusual
[15:16:19] membiblio: upstream peers are blocking pirate bay and other pirate sites
[15:16:36] membiblio: so your issue might be related to that but I can't put a pin in it so to speak
[15:16:58] membiblio: but you are paying WAY to much for connectivity
[15:17:03] koffel: it not illegal
[15:17:13] koffel: i own all the movies
[15:17:19] membiblio: and cable providers are being sued for promising what they know they can not deliver
[15:17:27] membiblio: are your videos local or remote?
[15:17:27] koffel: yeah
[15:17:32] koffel: remote
[15:17:40] membiblio: where are they stored if you own them?
[15:17:41] koffel: both
[15:17:54] koffel: it my home server
[15:18:03] koffel: nas
[15:18:08] membiblio: then how is comcast even in the picture?
[15:18:19] membiblio: and how do you have one ip and multiple devices?
[15:18:31] koffel: to play them remotely
[15:18:39] membiblio: i'm confused
[15:18:56] membiblio: all my video is local except for pay services like hbo now
[15:18:58] koffel: i goto a friends house and play a movie
[15:19:09] koffel: on his home media center
[15:19:10] membiblio: ok this is different
[15:19:14] koffel: he has fios
[15:19:42] membiblio: ok this explains a lot you are now trying to go over a border boundary where peering comes into play
[15:19:49] koffel: but when he plays a file my service on download is 1.2mb down
[15:20:19] membiblio: if you change to fios and are in the same area things might improve for you
[15:20:30] koffel: okay
[15:20:34] membiblio: but again you are paying through the nose for basic connectivity – in my opinion
[15:20:44] koffel: yeah i know i am
[15:20:58] membiblio: why don't you just sneaker net the movie to his home on a flash drive? don't answer that never mind
[15:20:58] koffel: called comcast bussiness class
[15:21:26] membiblio: you don't need business class anything unless you are running a business with a static ip and 10 employees :)
[15:21:29] koffel: they told me fiber way to go
[15:22:00] koffel: 150k to install it and 5k a month for 300/300
[15:22:16] membiblio: i have absolute basic verizon business service, because formerly i had a static ip but not anymore and they are too lazy to change me back to a home customer
[15:22:41] koffel: ok
[15:22:42] membiblio: you are crazy paying them to build out their own infrastructure and not even get fiber
[15:22:49] koffel: yeah
[15:23:03] koffel: well i have 20,000 hd movies
[15:23:56] membiblio: anywho i would suggest you document your network topology in the form of a visual representation of your network if you want more help – something is amis – but I am unable to extract enough information from you to really be helpful :)
[15:24:19] membiblio: i'm just burnin time here ttyl and good luck :)
[15:25:36] koffel: ok here info you need
[15:28:46] koffel: i run from the modem 1 port only docsis 3.0 and have 150/20 service by comcast bussiness class that runs to my plex server the holds all my movies.. then if i run plex movie from my network on a friends network (play a movie) my bussiness class download goes from 150mb to 1.2 mb download and upload goes from 20mb to 18mb
[15:29:09] koffel: soon as he stops playing a video it goes back to normal 150/20
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[15:30:40] membiblio: well the 20 to 18 thing seems acceptable – after all you are sending ack packets and those have to be scheduled into the stream
[15:30:49] membiblio: is your plex box windows or linux?
[15:31:07] koffel: linux
[15:31:09] koffel: based
[15:31:27] membiblio: so you are pulling 2 10mbs streams remotely which is 20 mbs
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[15:31:50] koffel: seems that way
[15:32:17] membiblio: that seems acceptable that your performance will suffer as it makes sense that the upstream (from you to network) is now full and you are asking it to do more work than it can do
[15:32:34] koffel: ok
[15:32:42] membiblio: you only have 20mbs up right
[15:32:47] koffel: yeap
[15:32:53] koffel: max they offer
[15:32:57] koffel: in my area
[15:33:22] membiblio: so if you pull, you said 5mpbs, 2 streams you are really over the capacity of the channel
[15:33:35] membiblio: can your machine transcode in real time?
[15:34:05] koffel: yes
[15:34:31] koffel: it running 4 xeon 12 core cpus
[15:34:44] membiblio: see if you can choose a transcode format that reduces your stream and I have no experience here so I'm guessing
[15:35:02] membiblio: are you running a business or are you a saudi prince?
[15:35:04] koffel: transcode eats ram
[15:35:13] koffel: bussiness
[15:36:01] membiblio: look people do this 'stuff' all the time – if it takes ram it takes ram – sorry that the solution is not your preferred solution :)
[15:36:13] membiblio: and again – i'm not a expert at all here
[15:36:35] membiblio: so your milage may vary and vaginal dryness may result but grain of salt and all :)
[15:37:32] membiblio: i'm confused – business circuit but viewing movies at friends house – you are trying to create a business and figure out the technical details?
[15:38:00] membiblio: but for the price you are paying you can host a linux server in the cloud at amazon
[15:38:14] membiblio: and voila – many of your problems are solved
[15:38:51] membiblio: if you figure out something please let me know what you do but I think transcoding is a hope that is reasonable
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[15:49:56] SteveGoodey: stuarta: Sorry to bother you. Forum spam. https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?t=1973&p=9644#p9644
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[15:52:13] stuarta: SteveGoodey: thanks, and banned the user
[15:53:12] SteveGoodey: Good man.
[15:58:17] stuarta: SteveGoodey: want a job as a moderator?
[16:01:28] SteveGoodey: stuarta: Sounds good thanks. Can't say I've used the forum before now but after spotting a post about the RSS feed I'm now getting posts in my email client.
[16:01:50] stuarta: can you pm me your email used on the forum to confirm the account
[16:04:39] stuarta: lemme know once you've sent it
[16:11:58] SteveGoodey: stuarta: Done.
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[16:19:45] stuarta: SteveGoodey: in theory you should now be able to do moderation. let me know if anything doesn't work as expected.
[16:24:57] SteveGoodey: stuarta: Will do, ta.
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