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| [00:04:46] | DarthFrog: | camjac251: Have you installed mythweb? |
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| [00:09:32] | bill6502: | camjac251: backendhostnameOrIP:6544 |
| [00:10:55] | bill6502: | and is the backend listening on that port (see the logs) obviously you must have a routable IP address, e.g. not 127.x.x.x |
| [00:12:21] | DarthFrog: | You don't need a routable IP if you're accessing it over your own LAN. |
| [00:12:52] | DarthFrog: | Mine all had 192.168.1.X addresses, worked tickety-boo. |
| [00:13:54] | DarthFrog: | 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/16 and 192.168.0.0/24 are all non-routeable. |
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| [00:24:14] | bill6502: | Not sure what tickety-boo means, but you're right. Also works with IPv6 and Unique Local Addresses. Off to Google |
| [00:26:07] | bill6502: | (Brit, old-fashioned, informal) as it should be; correct; satisfactory. Must be one of those 'other side of the pond' things. |
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| [00:42:45] | camjac251: | I thought mythweb was included by default |
| [00:42:47] | camjac251: | in 0.28 |
| [01:01:50] | bill6502: | camjac251: depends on your distribution. it's a separate product. what is included by default is was your original question. WebFrontend is there by default: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WebFrontend |
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| [01:02:25] | camjac251: | I am unable to access the web frontend though |
| [01:04:58] | bill6502: | camjac251: what does this show: sudo netstat -pant|grep 6544 (typed on your backend) |
| [01:05:34] | camjac251: | http://hastebin.com/waduqecehu.sm |
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| [01:07:46] | kusznir: | Hi all: I'm having trouble getting a slave backend communicating with my master backend. It was working, but then I had to reformat and reinstall my OS on my slave backend, which is actually my main linux desktop. |
| [01:08:10] | kusznir: | (I'm using it because its in a room where another TV feed is available, and it has the right capture card in it, so I wanted to add this tuner to my main myth system). |
| [01:08:14] | bill6502: | camjac251: that looks good, how about this, assuming you have curl installed: curl 192.168.1.170:6544/Myth/GetSetting?Key=BackendServerIP |
| [01:08:56] | kusznir: | Mythbackend starts, but the master backend status still shows the tuner disconnected. I tried looking through the logs on the slavebackend, and all I see are: CoreContext main.cpp:129 (main) – Failed to init MythContext. |
| [01:09:24] | kusznir: | My slave backend is running on fedora; master backend is LinHES. |
| [01:10:19] | kusznir: | When I run mythtv-setup as root, it opens a solid white window, and never renders anything else on it. I can press escape, at which point it changes to a grey background with the normal cancel back next buttons (no labels present, just colored squares). |
| [01:10:44] | kusznir: | If I run mythtv-setup under my user account, it correctly opens a theme and lets me set things up. |
| [01:13:48] | bill6502: | kusznir: how do you normally start the slave backend. e.g. at boot time via /etc/init.d/something or Upstart or some .service file. and then, what user runs the slave. typically, the answer is mythtv not root |
| [01:14:25] | kusznir: | Yes, it runs through the automated startup script provided with the package. I forgot to check for the mythtv user...Will do now. |
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| [01:16:22] | kusznir: | I have the same problem if I launch mythtv-setup as mythtv (white screen) |
| [01:17:07] | kusznir: | although I'm having to do some xhost stuff to allow it to render, and I get a bunch of X Error: .... messages on the console. |
| [01:19:05] | camjac251: | I'm curious about mythtv, what kind of support is there for android |
| [01:19:29] | camjac251: | Hdhomerun has a nice solution that is an all in one tool for dvr, where mythtv seems more complex |
| [01:19:59] | kusznir: | camjac251: HD HomeRun is not an all in one for dvr...its only part. It actually doesn't do any DVR directly. |
| [01:20:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | and Myth is more than "just" a dvr |
| [01:20:30] | kusznir: | But it works very well with mythtv (I use it now, and just a couple weeks ago, I built a new myth system around an HD HomeRun Prime for my in-laws) |
| [01:21:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, i have an hdhomerun and a ceton pci-e tuner card |
| [01:22:10] | kusznir: | HD HomeRun only allows realtime viewing of channels. It simply converts radio signals (either from antenna or cable tv) to an IP stream over your local network. Myth (or some other DVR package) is required to do things like manage the list of channels available, guide data, how many tuners are available, what do you want recorded, when is it on, what tuners to task when to do that. And of course, duplicate episode detection |
| [01:22:10] | kusznir: | (if desired), etc. |
| [01:22:33] | kusznir: | It also offers much more powerful scheduling engine than many other DVRs (such as Windows MCE). |
| [01:22:42] | Hydr0p0nX: | it does look like that will be changing soon though – https://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/hd-homerun-dvr/ |
| [01:22:56] | Hydr0p0nX: | appears to still be in private beta |
| [01:23:09] | kusznir: | Yea...I saw that, and read the details...Its not what its title lets on... |
| [01:23:29] | kusznir: | Its basically software to load onto a computer that tries to do DVR functions, if I recall correctly. |
| [01:24:42] | kusznir: | I do remember reading the details, and found myself very disappointed in it. I think the closest equivalent to myth in a hardware function is the tablo box, which is a DVR for ATSC feeds (only), and uses roku's as frontends. |
| [01:25:10] | camjac251: | the hd homerun dvr app is what im talking about |
| [01:25:18] | camjac251: | which is out right now, in beta |
| [01:25:30] | camjac251: | it has an android app, which works with android tv |
| [01:25:43] | camjac251: | Because mythtv config options seem limiting to me |
| [01:25:53] | camjac251: | The mythtv-setup being the only place to configure things |
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| [01:26:13] | camjac251: | and the lack of mouse control on the setup causing frustrating means of configuring |
| [01:26:16] | kusznir: | mythtv-setup is the only place to configure backend settings. frontend settings are configured in other places. |
| [01:26:26] | camjac251: | frontend being? |
| [01:26:27] | kusznir: | There is mouse control in the setup...I used it last week. |
| [01:26:36] | camjac251: | I mean commercia skipping, dvr directories |
| [01:26:36] | camjac251: | etc |
| [01:26:50] | camjac251: | I'd like to build a system that could work with my roku |
| [01:26:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | those are global, backend, settings |
| [01:27:18] | camjac251: | -- roku's, windows pc, nexus player, and run mythtv from this core 2 duo comp |
| [01:27:33] | camjac251: | So far, the hd homerun has been slow with streaming lately, stuttering every now and then |
| [01:27:43] | camjac251: | and even on my comp and android, it playing then freezing |
| [01:27:47] | kusznir: | myth is split into two main parts: backend does recording scheduling, listings updates, and other "server" functions. Frontend is what renders to the TV and is the primary user interface. You browse the guide, schedule recordings, watch recordings, etc. through the frontend. It has its own settings. You can have a multiple frontend system, if you anted to (each TV has a frontend, and they can share one or more backends). |
| [01:28:48] | camjac251: | I want to effectively replace sling |
| [01:28:55] | kusznir: | Yea...not surprising. And myth won't render to all those targets you specified either. You probably won't find anything else that will using your hardware without the issues you're describing either. The problem is all the targets you describe don't want/accept video in MPEG2 format while all TV (ATSC or QAM cable) are in MPEG2 format. |
| [01:29:00] | camjac251: | Or a usual Set top box |
| [01:29:22] | camjac251: | Like pausing tv, rewind, recording from when i started watching, simple watching live tv, skipping commercials |
| [01:29:23] | kusznir: | You can largely do that with a mythtv and a HD HomeRun Prime + cablecard subscription. |
| [01:29:44] | camjac251: | I have it all setup currently, but trying to get the web frontend working |
| [01:29:52] | kusznir: | But that assumes you're watching TV on a TV (myth computer frontend). |
| [01:30:25] | Hydr0p0nX: | what problem are you having with the web frontend ? |
| [01:30:29] | camjac251: | http://hastebin.com/ekivebebit.xml |
| [01:30:33] | kusznir: | Viewing TV via the web doesn't work for me currently. There is a 3rd party project for making it work on the roku, but I wasn't able to get it working,a nd there are a lot of limitations for watching on the roku. |
| [01:30:48] | camjac251: | heres that thing bill6502: |
| [01:30:50] | kusznir: | If I try and watch a video, it only plays for a few seconds before my master backend dies with OOM errors. |
| [01:31:15] | camjac251: | I went ahead with 0.28 but I feel like from the mythtv-setup, there's not a lot of configurable options |
| [01:31:17] | kusznir: | mythweb works great for scheudling, viewing schedules, the list of recordings, backend status, etc...Just watching videos on it blows things up. |
| [01:31:59] | camjac251: | what version of mythtv do you run |
| [01:32:03] | kusznir: | camjac251: that's because there isn't much to configure on mythtv-setup. its only there to set your tuners, tv sources disk drives, and channel lists. That's all the backend needs (and does), and that's all mythtv-setup is for: configuring the backend. |
| [01:32:05] | camjac251: | I might just go to 0.27 |
| [01:32:26] | camjac251: | so commercial flagging, thats done on the frontend? |
| [01:32:31] | bill6502: | camjac251: assuming 192.168.1.170 is your backend, then that's also good. what isn't working when you point you browser to 192.168.1.170:6544 |
| [01:32:36] | kusznir: | If you want to change settings on how you view things (themes, for example), how things are displayed in general, commercial skip settings and amounts, etc...those are all adjusted from within the myth frontend. |
| [01:32:55] | camjac251: | oh wth, it works now :/ |
| [01:33:05] | camjac251: | oh this is a nice interface |
| [01:33:05] | kusznir: | commercial flagging is run by the backend, but that just generates a list of commercial break times. Its up to the frontend to use those. |
| [01:33:30] | camjac251: | I'm currently using a raspi2 with osmc until my nexus player arrives |
| [01:33:33] | kusznir: | You can configure your frontend to auto-skip commercials, to notify but not auto skip, or to do nothing. You have frontend keys that skip forward or back commercial breaks. |
| [01:34:11] | kusznir: | Ahh...so now its up to the osmc configs to make that happen. I must admit I was not thrilled with the osmc settings and stability when I played with mine... |
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| [01:34:23] | camjac251: | I'd like to have recordings uploaded to plex (i can do that just fine), so I'd only need a livetv/pause/rewind/ff commercials/record feature on the nexus player |
| [01:34:44] | camjac251: | openelec then? |
| [01:34:49] | kusznir: | I recommend at least starting out using the actual, native mythfrontend and get more of a feel for what myth does. |
| [01:35:22] | kusznir: | openelec seemed a bit smoother, but still...if you're not already familiar with the native mythfrontend, its a bit harder to get the 3rd party frontend plugin on osmc/openelc to work well. |
| [01:36:03] | kusznir: | And even then, you'll have to accept that the myth project did NOT write the frontend on osmc/openelec/etc, and thus has no control over how they choose to implement it. And questions about that need to be directed to those projects. |
| [01:36:48] | kusznir: | For example, they choose to make myth a plugin to their main system (so its already a 2nd or 3rd class citizen there), and try and fit the myth way of doing things into their way. So some things are not smooth or as intuitive as they are on a native myth frontend. |
| [01:37:27] | kusznir: | I haven't looked at the plexus player, so I have no idea on its feature set or how it does (or doesn't) talk to myth. |
| [01:37:36] | kusznir: | err..nexus player, not plexus... |
| [01:37:43] | camjac251: | it runs android |
| [01:37:46] | camjac251: | android tv |
| [01:37:53] | kusznir: | Probably won't be useful, then. |
| [01:37:59] | camjac251: | really? |
| [01:38:20] | kusznir: | I am not aware of any interfaces on androd that talk to myth. They may exist, but I am not aware of them. |
| [01:38:43] | Hydr0p0nX: | there have been a few attempts to get a mythfrontend on android, but I don't think they ever got beyond "it works but not always stable" faze |
| [01:39:20] | camjac251: | what do you guys use for your frontends |
| [01:39:44] | kusznir: | I run my frontend on the same computer I run my backend, and use the hdmi out from that PC hooked up to my TV. |
| [01:39:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | that's one of my setups |
| [01:40:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | the other is windows with mythfrontend code compiled for windows |
| [01:40:15] | kusznir: | I've used some ITX PCs as additional frontends in the past, but currently I only own one TV, so I only have the combined backend/frontend system. |
| [01:40:30] | kusznir: | (that's the most common setup from what I understand, and the default install in most cases) |
| [01:40:36] | camjac251: | how does the frontend look |
| [01:40:43] | camjac251: | in terms of functionality |
| [01:40:57] | camjac251: | i tried a windows build of mythtv to use the frontend |
| [01:41:00] | kusznir: | Fully functional. Its the most functional enviornment for myth, and supports all myth functions. |
| [01:41:06] | camjac251: | it was lagging a bunch |
| [01:41:27] | Hydr0p0nX: | what kind of network are you running over? |
| [01:41:28] | kusznir: | I haven't played with the windows port for a few years. |
| [01:41:57] | Hydr0p0nX: | I found a version that worked well enough and leave it |
| [01:42:23] | camjac251: | i've got this router http://www.verizon.com/home/MLP/router.html |
| [01:42:25] | Hydr0p0nX: | I only use it for the tv in the bedroom, so it gets not much more than an hour at a time |
| [01:42:43] | camjac251: | it only has 4 ports, so i am using a ethernet switch |
| [01:42:48] | kusznir: | Hydr0p0nX: Ok, I finally got my slave backend to connect to my master, but its throwing this error: MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd IS_BUSY) Unknown encoder: 15 |
| [01:42:50] | camjac251: | for the hdhomerun prime and computer |
| [01:43:08] | kusznir: | encoder 15 was showing up as the wrong tuner type on my MBE, but now all tuners on my MBE are showing as "UNKNOWN" |
| [01:43:14] | camjac251: | its running over my local network, not sure if its 1gbps or just 100 |
| [01:43:41] | kusznir: | camjac251: the router usually doesn't matter, as all your traffic is local. You just need minimum 100Mbps connectivity. People used to try using wifi-G and that stuttered all the time. |
| [01:43:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | yep |
| [01:44:03] | camjac251: | the pi2 is connected through ethernet |
| [01:44:08] | camjac251: | my comp is ethernet |
| [01:44:43] | kusznir: | Other frequent causes of stutter are video decode limitations. If you have a crappy video card, it can't always keep up...especially if you've got other things rendering to it (like the windows UI), or if your frontend is rendering through multiple layers of OS access restrictions. |
| [01:45:16] | kusznir: | with the pi2, you'll see stuttering if you don't have the MPEG2 codec licensed (and verified that the license is accepted and being used). |
| [01:45:29] | camjac251: | its a HP Compaq Elite 8000 i got off of ebay, for the backend |
| [01:45:52] | camjac251: | i have the mpeg2 and vc1 decoder licenses installed |
| [01:46:14] | camjac251: | how would i verify it? |
| [01:46:20] | kusznir: | Also note that streaming a full 1080i video at decent bitrate will require moving 10Mbps+ through the system (not just network, but actually through the processor and video card), which is nearing the limits of the pi's capabilities. |
| [01:46:57] | kusznir: | Each distro (OSMC, OpenElec) has their own ways...I don't remember, but there's a blurb about verifying in the same document that talks about how to set it up. |
| [01:47:32] | kusznir: | (some video streams are up to 25Mbps, btw...That's a lot of data for a tiny machine to process). |
| [01:48:00] | kusznir: | Normally video stutter isn't caused by the backend, assuming you don't have serious disk issues. A failing disk will definately cause stutter, though. |
| [01:48:52] | kusznir: | (that's how I could tell my last two disks were failing on me). I've been running mythtv for over 15 years now. My family has used mythfrontend (running on a PC) as the only access to TV/OTA programming for all that time. |
| [01:49:01] | camjac251: | im seeing 151MBps, after doing "dd bs=1M count=256 if=/dev/zero of=test conv=fdatasync" |
| [01:49:29] | camjac251: | do you build mythfrontend |
| [01:49:31] | kusznir: | The bad disk issue is on reading, if there's an error on the file you're reading... |
| [01:49:33] | camjac251: | for windows |
| [01:49:42] | kusznir: | No, I run my frontend on the same computer as my backend. |
| [01:49:49] | camjac251: | ah, right |
| [01:49:50] | kusznir: | A combined FE/BE |
| [01:50:11] | kusznir: | No extra hardware, no extra power consumption, no extra boxes lying around that need to be maintained. |
| [01:50:19] | camjac251: | what processor do you run it on? |
| [01:51:22] | kusznir: | My current FE/BE is actually an old Atom N270-based nvidia ION ITX motherboard. Its a single-core first-gen Atom processor with a full nVidia GPU. Once I've enabled VDPAU rendering in the frontend, my processor sits at about 30% load while watching TV, as the video card is doing all the work. |
| [01:52:07] | kusznir: | If you put even the lowest end current-gen nvidia graphics card in that PC, you can use it as a frontend reliably now (just make sure to set VDPAU video rendering). It may work with what it already has, but I don't know what it has. |
| [01:52:19] | kusznir: | The only issue is enough cpu/gpu power for rendering the MPEG2 stream. |
| [01:52:41] | kusznir: | With GPU offload (vdpau), the frontend takes about as much CPU power as a backend (that's not commflagging) |
| [01:52:49] | kusznir: | (aka very little) |
| [01:53:00] | kusznir: | Unfortunately, I've got to go now.....dinner's ready. |
| [01:53:44] | camjac251: | I found https://github.com/rshendershot/MythRokuPlayer for roku, allowing pausing tv, rewinding, recording, skipping commercials |
| [01:53:57] | camjac251: | thanks for your help kusznir |
| [01:54:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | i have an overkill setup |
| [01:56:12] | Hydr0p0nX: | AMD FX(tm)-6300 w/ 16gb ram and a GeForce GTX 650 |
| [01:56:35] | Hydr0p0nX: | but i also have a total of 7 tuners available |
| [01:57:45] | Hydr0p0nX: | and sit at 3% cpu watching 1 1080p stream and broadcasting to another tv |
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| [02:04:40] | camjac251: | do you guys run 0.27 or 0.28 |
| [02:04:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | i run .27 |
| [02:04:59] | bill6502: | 0.28-pre |
| [02:05:37] | camjac251: | any nice features in 0.28 over 0.27? |
| [02:05:57] | camjac251: | thats worth using? |
| [02:07:45] | bill6502: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.28 |
| [02:08:41] | bill6502: | bit changes to the Services API. One favorite, per component loglevels, e.g. -v record:debug,file:alert etc. |
| [02:09:08] | camjac251: | i saw that, didnt seem like it had a lot on the page |
| [02:09:28] | camjac251: | I mean, 0.27 was released 2013, so a lot of new features must've been developed since then |
| [02:09:33] | camjac251: | Do you like 0.28? |
| [02:09:36] | camjac251: | over .27 |
| [02:10:07] | bill6502: | it's updated near the time of release candidate |
| [02:10:31] | Hydr0p0nX: | camjac251, 0.27 had a ton of changes and it's still being maintained by the same group developing 0.28 |
| [02:11:15] | camjac251: | I thought 0.27 is only being changed with adding fixes |
| [02:11:18] | camjac251: | not new features |
| [02:11:20] | bill6502: | 3187 commits in 0.28 as of today |
| [02:11:52] | bill6502: | fixes are backported, features not usually |
| [02:13:02] | bill6502: | protocol and DB schema never (that I can recall) |
| [02:14:14] | camjac251: | I think I'll stick with 0.28 |
| [02:14:20] | camjac251: | do you run ubuntu? |
| [02:14:37] | camjac251: | I tried mythbuntu but it would freeze the update whenever I tried going to 0.28 |
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| [02:17:43] | hydroponx: | disabled auto-updates because a kernel update broke the ceton driver i'm using |
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| [02:21:51] | bill6502: | I run Mythbuntu, and use their updates, but build from source for MythTV |
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| [02:31:31] | kusznir: | Ok, this is wierd to me now...I went into my master backend, and removed all tuners, then added the hdhomerun tuners back to it. did the rest of the setup, left mythsetup, started backend, verified working. |
| [02:32:45] | kusznir: | Then stopped slavebackend wen into mythtv-setup, added its local tuner (pvr-150 on /dev/video0), set it all up again, exited mythtv-setup, and started the slave backend (in a console so I can see debugging output). It successfully connects to the master backend, shows the tuner, etc...All seems happy. |
| [02:33:30] | kusznir: | But on my MBE, I pulled up backend status on mythweb, and it only shows the hdhomerun tuners (local). No sign of my pvr150. |
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| [02:38:22] | kusznir: | Ok, aparently I had to restart the MBE after making the slave backend change.... |
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| [03:09:11] | mal_: | Hey there, I seem to have a problem lately and the logging seems to have something to do with it. Something about pastebin being altered. Seems to be lots written on that being the problem but I can't find anything on how to fix it. 'THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api' |
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| [03:19:03] | camjac251: | should I stick with mythtv |
| [03:19:12] | camjac251: | was tempted in buying hdhomerun dvr |
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| [04:09:43] | Hydr0p0nX: | gah |
| [04:10:27] | Hydr0p0nX: | I wouldn't mind doing windows builds for myth, I have plenty of resources and a domain to host it under |
| [04:11:03] | Hydr0p0nX: | looks like just one build script a couple of utilities to load to make it happen |
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| [06:18:12] | TSS: | I recommend using Myth to control your tuners only, and using Plex as a front end |
| [06:45:15] | camjac251: | what plugin for plex do you use |
| [06:45:18] | camjac251: | for using mythtv |
| [06:47:56] | TSS: | I don't. I have Myth copy my recordings to my server, and have plex organize them there |
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| [06:59:23] | TSS: | camjac251: My configuration is threefold. I have a 35TB amahi server (Yes Terabyte), connected to a Myth TV backend with 14 usb tuners, talking to a Raspberry Pi which handles my Neorouter Server, and OpenVPN server. Myth captures the video, and sends it to my server where Plex organizes it, and streams it to my 4 Apples TV's |
| [07:00:03] | camjac251: | what about if you wanted to watch live tcv |
| [07:00:04] | camjac251: | tv |
| [07:00:22] | TSS: | I don't use Myth to watch live Tv |
| [07:00:48] | TSS: | Simply yo capture OTA streams |
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| [11:32:06] | mal_: | Sorry to repeat, Hey there, I seem to have a problem lately and the logging seems to have something to do with it. Something about pastebin being altered. Seems to be lots written on that being the problem but I can't find anything on how to fix it. 'THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api' |
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| [16:42:43] | tgm4883: | TSS: geez, why so many tuners? |
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| [18:37:44] | sceo: | Any ideas why the myth implementation of airplay would appear to work but is silent, but shairplay works fine? |
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| [19:49:39] | TSS: | tgm4883: So I can record lots of shows at once :) Plus I got a really good deal on them |
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| [21:13:51] | MrFluffy: | Ok, I've got my flame proof suit on, but is there any way to force a myth frontend to connect to a *older* backend? |
| [21:15:31] | TSS: | why would you want to do that? Just upgrade both to the same version |
| [21:16:15] | MrFluffy: | because it means 1 backend + 7 devices, some of which I have to try to patch the now completely unsupported hardware to work with each time |
| [21:16:49] | MrFluffy: | I stupidly have put debian 8 on my sons pc, and he wants to watch tv, and the 0.26 branch wont compile on it of course |
| [21:17:11] | MrFluffy: | and jessie is reporting the oldest version as a 0.27 |
| [21:17:41] | TSS: | what version is your backend running? |
| [21:18:08] | MrFluffy: | 75, and the oldest deb I can find is 77 |
| [21:18:20] | MrFluffy: | yes I know its out of date, but its a massive job to rebuild everything |
| [21:18:23] | tgm4883: | 0.26? |
| [21:18:31] | MrFluffy: | protocol 75 |
| [21:18:40] | MrFluffy: | yes the backend is 0.26.x |
| [21:18:41] | ** tgm4883 doesn't keep up on schema versions ** | |
| [21:19:00] | ** tgm4883 shrugs ** | |
| [21:19:07] | TSS: | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/arch . . . /iso-hybrid/ |
| [21:19:28] | tgm4883: | there is probably a way to patch out the check, but then you're in "here be dragons" territory |
| [21:19:52] | tgm4883: | I wouldn't do it, I'd look for an alternate way |
| [21:20:05] | MrFluffy: | blatting the debian 8 machine is probably the easiest option yes.. |
| [21:20:38] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: true |
| [21:21:28] | TSS: | This is why I don't use Myth frontends. Too much damn work to manitain everything |
| [21:22:05] | MrFluffy: | hmmm Ive ran xbmc on a pi, but didnt consider that on a real linux box... maybe... |
| [21:22:31] | MrFluffy: | its only for one frontend... good idea... |
| [21:22:37] | TSS: | Plex is your friend |
| [21:22:59] | MrFluffy: | not xbmc or kodi or whatever its called now? |
| [21:23:07] | tgm4883: | It's only an issue if the backend is wildly out of date |
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| [21:24:42] | MrFluffy: | I was trying to limp 0.26 until the last two of the mini nettop passive pc's with the unsupported gfx card's had baked themselves |
| [21:26:44] | TSS: | Do you have a media server as well? |
| [21:27:00] | MrFluffy: | I have nfs shares from the mythbackend if thats what you mean |
| [21:27:30] | TSS: | That could work. Do you use your front ends to watch live tv? |
| [21:27:36] | MrFluffy: | yes |
| [21:27:45] | TSS: | Damn |
| [21:27:52] | MrFluffy: | most definitely I'm afraid |
| [21:29:04] | tgm4883: | :( |
| [21:29:14] | TSS: | There could be a way to do it with Chromebits, but it would require recompling the android app to run on chrome os. |
| [21:29:58] | MrFluffy: | he doesn't have chrome os on there, just a debian install |
| [21:31:51] | TSS: | I hate to say it, but it might be easier to nuke the fedora 8 and install 7.5 from the link I posted above |
| [21:32:14] | MrFluffy: | probably will be, kodi with mythbox doesnt like his graphics card and the screen goes all flashy... |
| [21:32:21] | MrFluffy: | just installed it |
| [21:32:27] | TSS: | And if the community was smart they would nuke fedora alltogether |
| [21:33:37] | tgm4883: | I disagree, I think fedora is important |
| [21:34:01] | TSS: | Ubuntu is far better imho |
| [21:34:17] | tgm4883: | TSS: well I'll agree with that, but I think competition is healthy |
| [21:34:52] | TSS: | That it is, keep the coversation alive as well :) |
| [21:38:20] | MrFluffy: | I normally use gentoo, but I just cba doing all the install for my lads machine |
| [21:38:33] | tgm4883: | It might just make sense to replace those 2 boxes with rpi2 |
| [21:38:43] | MrFluffy: | so I just unetbootin'd the latest debian to a key and here we are |
| [21:38:54] | MrFluffy: | rpi... I have bad sd card experiences with rpi... |
| [21:39:01] | MrFluffy: | personal ones |
| [21:39:08] | MrFluffy: | not secondhand grumbly comments off the net |
| [21:39:20] | tgm4883: | use good cards? |
| [21:39:36] | MrFluffy: | I have 5 pi's, I ran them all on the same common rail psu |
| [21:40:01] | MrFluffy: | same cards in all of them, one pi was always ok, the other four randomly corrupted things and fell over after a few days |
| [21:40:10] | MrFluffy: | and a card that was corrupt in the bad ones would run fine in the good one |
| [21:40:26] | MrFluffy: | the one that worked was a really early one before they switched fab's to wales I think |
| [21:40:40] | MrFluffy: | so I have very little confidence in the Pi now |
| [21:41:04] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [21:41:07] | tgm4883: | that's your deal man |
| [21:41:30] | MrFluffy: | its not lack of wanting to try, theres 3 staring at me from a shelf here unused |
| [21:41:51] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: pi, or pi2? |
| [21:42:19] | MrFluffy: | pi1's but the fault is the usb and network going through the same chip, and the foundation never changed that part of the implementation... |
| [21:42:41] | MrFluffy: | I applied loads of tweaks at the time but nothing addressed it |
| [21:43:12] | MrFluffy: | Ive sort of been hoping someone would make a nice little fpga frontend and market it as mythtv but unless its happened recently that hasnt happened |
| [21:43:24] | tgm4883: | While that's true, I'm not 100% sure why that should matter for the frontend. Don't power it off USB |
| [21:44:09] | MrFluffy: | I don't, I have a lab psu I was using with them and used the power connector. But the sd card controller goes through the same bus as the network card |
| [21:44:21] | MrFluffy: | and its when things get congested theres timing errors which fubar the cards |
| [21:44:35] | MrFluffy: | really, I spent a lot of time debugging it |
| [21:46:04] | MrFluffy: | I was told "its the environmentals" , then it was the brand of cards, then someone admitted they had bus issues and we went through rounds of patching |
| [21:46:19] | MrFluffy: | even the zero still has that bug unfixed |
| [21:46:55] | MrFluffy: | it was on hackaday the other day and it was right there in the review |
| [21:47:17] | MrFluffy: | sorry to rant, but sore point, lots of life wasted down the drain buying into the pi |
| [21:48:49] | tgm4883: | so worries, I got no skin in the game. I've got a pi 1 and a pi 2 and that's it |
| [21:48:49] | tgm4883: | and a beagle bone black |
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| [21:50:13] | MrFluffy: | I always wanted a beaglebone for some home automation stuff but never got round to it |
| [21:50:16] | MrFluffy: | but the bb's gfx performance doesnt match the pi , is the real issue |
| [21:50:43] | tgm4883: | well yea, the bb sucks for gfx |
| [21:50:49] | TSS: | They don't recommend running front ends on a Pi |
| [21:50:50] | tgm4883: | it only outputs 1024x768 |
| [21:51:06] | tgm4883: | TSS: who is they? |
| [21:51:10] | MrFluffy: | TSS: yeah, it corrupts the sd card and falls over after a few days, tell me about it :) |
| [21:51:53] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: did you try running a frontend on one? |
| [21:52:05] | MrFluffy: | yes, several times |
| [21:52:14] | MrFluffy: | I always found them crashed out after a few days |
| [21:52:29] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: what kind of content? |
| [21:52:32] | MrFluffy: | I was going to replace my ancient nettop's with pi's at one point |
| [21:52:48] | MrFluffy: | just left idle at the menu, but in use, live tv, video's etc |
| [21:53:03] | TSS: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware |
| [21:53:49] | MrFluffy: | its not the performance really, if they can do SD its what I have now anyway |
| [21:54:01] | MrFluffy: | its just the reliability |
| [21:55:16] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: is the Pi 1 CPU even able to decode MPEG2 SD content fast enough? |
| [21:55:27] | MrFluffy: | it is if you register the firmware |
| [21:55:50] | MrFluffy: | the gpu performance is quite astonishing for what it is, remember the chipset was designed for mobile phones |
| [21:56:11] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: and you were using mythfrontend or xbmc? |
| [21:56:12] | MrFluffy: | I think, if you had the compute module with its flash type filesystem, it probably would be ok as thats what broadcom designed it to work with |
| [21:56:35] | MrFluffy: | both irrc, its been a while |
| [21:56:54] | MrFluffy: | the last one that still works is still xbmc and we use it to watch stuff on the projector |
| [21:57:13] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to figure out how you got all that to work since MythTV doesn't support the RPI graphics hardwarwe |
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| [21:58:59] | MrFluffy: | the one that works today I can go and power up is running xbmc with the myth addon |
| [21:59:26] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: ok, but that's not mythtv now is it |
| [21:59:49] | MrFluffy: | no its not a full blown mythfrontend no, I'm going off memory from the pi1 days here though |
| [22:00:04] | MrFluffy: | thats the only thing I have left that still works to remind me |
| [22:00:23] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: yea you probably only used xbmc then, not that it would change much with the issues you were having |
| [22:00:36] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: Did you try running in RO mode? |
| [22:01:57] | tgm4883: | I had corruption issues when setting up a bunch of BBB as closet cameras until I did that |
| [22:02:35] | MrFluffy: | I remember we thought it was the logging to the sd card that pushed it over the edge, so no |
| [22:03:04] | MrFluffy: | can you even boot raspbian with the card in ro mode? |
| [22:03:20] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: IDK, I never tried raspbian |
| [22:03:57] | tgm4883: | I was using Ubuntu on it |
| [22:04:06] | tgm4883: | And that booted just fine |
| [22:04:15] | tgm4883: | I would assume that raspbian could boot just fine as well |
| [22:12:34] | MrFluffy: | at the time, I dont believe there was a ubuntu release for it, we're going back some time now |
| [22:13:07] | MrFluffy: | kodi is fine till mythbox runs then the window manager goes mental... |
| [22:14:24] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: There isn't a ubuntu release for the Pi1, the CPU isn't supported at all |
| [22:15:10] | enyc: | pi2 on the other hand... much more sinseble runs 'normal' armhf etc... |
| [22:15:25] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [22:15:55] | tgm4883: | I remember all the hoopla back when the Pi1 was released and canonical asked them to stop saying it ran Ubuntu |
| [22:16:13] | enyc: | tgm4883: who/why DID say it ran ubuntu ? |
| [22:16:30] | tgm4883: | The Raspberry Pi foundation did |
| [22:16:41] | MrFluffy: | I thought that one of the banana pi's or similar might make a better alternative, but people told me the gpu performance isnt there |
| [22:16:46] | enyc: | why would they do such an 3vil thing ? |
| [22:17:11] | MrFluffy: | the foundation is like a hydra, some of its good, some of it isnt... |
| [22:17:22] | MrFluffy: | you have to know which head is talking to know if to trust it or not |
| [22:17:48] | MrFluffy: | they were all ex broadcom employees at the beginning anyway |
| [22:18:09] | tgm4883: | enyc: well the Pi 1 was releasing during the cycle where Ubuntu dropped support for armv6 |
| [22:18:18] | enyc: | aah ;p |
| [22:18:20] | enyc: | so it ran 'old ubuntu' |
| [22:18:23] | tgm4883: | so RPI people asked canonical to keep supporting it, they said no. And somehow canonical became the bad guys |
| [22:18:24] | MrFluffy: | that is why the faults with the design were blamed on luser error |
| [22:18:52] | tgm4883: | which is typically, people seem to love to hate on canonical |
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| [22:31:41] | camjac251: | hi |
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| [22:53:35] | camjac251: | how does mythtv treat live tv |
| [22:53:44] | camjac251: | or is it strictly focused on pvr functionality |
| [22:54:05] | camjac251: | I just want to watch live tv and then rewind or record if neccessary |
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| [22:54:28] | camjac251: | But it seems like a lot of mythtv android apps dont seem to offer the functionality |
| [22:55:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | livetv is treated as if it's being recorded |
| [22:56:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | and, it actually is being written to disk, that was done to resolve an issue of livetv buffers running out during long pauses |
| [22:56:44] | Hydr0p0nX: | e.g., pause a show for 30 minutes and come back to it, when you hit play you may not be at the same point, or in some cases, the same show |
| [22:58:43] | [R]: | livetv is for suckers |
| [23:01:36] | MrFluffy: | the day they remove livetv is the day I'll have to find a different pvr product... |
| [23:02:34] | [R]: | doubt tehy ever would |
| [23:02:48] | [R]: | too many sheeple exist |
| [23:03:07] | camjac251: | I'm trying to find a good solution for watching tv and rewinding on a nexus player |
| [23:03:19] | camjac251: | kodi is really the only option im seeing at the moment |
| [23:05:08] | MrFluffy: | I use livetv all the time, or at least my family do. But I'm a few releases behind of what is todays version |
| [23:06:09] | MrFluffy: | if you have a issue in your backend that slows things, you get occasional jerks, but then its a case of just pause and unpause when theres a few seconds in the buffer and they are gone |
| [23:06:11] | camjac251: | something came out today? |
| [23:06:30] | MrFluffy: | I mean, I'm probably now years out of date on a older branch |
| [23:07:14] | MrFluffy: | the jerks are hardware related, when I ran a 1950 dell as my backend with two quad core xeons, no jerks at all, but now we're on a old core2 duo and we see occasional glitches and have to pause to eliminate them |
| [23:08:36] | MrFluffy: | its the nic in the backend is the culprit, but the dell was so noisy I cba going back to it |
| [23:08:50] | MrFluffy: | but, its for sheeple apparently |
| [23:11:25] | camjac251: | i have my mythtv backend running off of a HP Compaq Elite 8000 |
| [23:11:37] | camjac251: | stuttering happens for me too |
| [23:11:59] | camjac251: | but it even happens with the hd homerun view app as well... so im thinking its my ethernet switch |
| [23:12:13] | MrFluffy: | with the dell, nothing, but it was unreliable, two motherboards in two years and it was in temp controlled rack with ups |
| [23:12:31] | MrFluffy: | load average was stupid too, 0.1, 0.1, 0.1... |
| [23:12:44] | MrFluffy: | it was just a waste of power and cpu as it was doing nothing |
| [23:13:36] | MrFluffy: | two quad dvb-s2 tuners with the hardware mpeg encoders on them, so the pc didnt have to do anything but tell the tuners what to tune to and where to squirt the stream out |
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| [23:15:07] | MrFluffy: | what the takeaway is, live tv is harder to get smooth |
| [23:17:39] | MrFluffy: | geez, kodi under windows actually works, but when I go to connect "unsupported protocol 75" |
| [23:17:45] | MrFluffy: | time to install centos.. |
| [23:24:00] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: don't listen to [R], he's abraisive sometimes. However, he's right. Live TV is a legacy idea. It's for people that wait for TV, where a PVR is for people that want TV to wait for them. |
| [23:24:22] | [R]: | don't listen to me... but i'm right? |
| [23:24:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [23:25:37] | tgm4883: | [R]: you lack a certain filter |
| [23:25:44] | [R]: | haha |
| [23:27:49] | MrFluffy: | its not for me, its my wife |
| [23:28:10] | MrFluffy: | I think I'll just put sat feeds into the house and give her a normal timeshifting set top box one day |
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| [23:28:27] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: Which seems like an easy fix, just schedule all of her shows to record |
| [23:28:51] | MrFluffy: | yeah.. but... you know what I'm going to say next deep down inside |
| [23:29:00] | tgm4883: | whats that? |
| [23:29:08] | tgm4883: | that you don't have enough storage/tuners? |
| [23:29:18] | MrFluffy: | sooner or later, something goes wrong and one of those 8 feeds stops working, and suddenly some crap soap is blank on the disk |
| [23:29:29] | MrFluffy: | and then my life is miserable for a few days about "unreliable" systems |
| [23:29:56] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: buy better hardware? |
| [23:30:04] | MrFluffy: | I have enough storage and tuners... 8Tb and 8 dvb-s inputs |
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| [23:30:30] | MrFluffy: | heh, I started off using xbox classic with gentoox and mythfrontend on them, with one of those early hauppage cards |
| [23:30:38] | MrFluffy: | I *have* got better hardware nowadays :) |
| [23:30:54] | tgm4883: | I just find it funny when people blame their significant others for things |
| [23:31:14] | MrFluffy: | astra has a habit of shifting channel frequencies around and dont update the guide also occasionally |
| [23:31:29] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: move to USA? |
| [23:31:37] | MrFluffy: | and we are OTA guide feed only, so if they move the slot but dont announce, it just misses the end off |
| [23:32:02] | tgm4883: | MrFluffy: Yea I suppose that is a problem |
| [23:32:02] | MrFluffy: | I live in France, its hard enough trying to keep english language tv reliable without a culture shift too :) |
| [23:32:39] | MrFluffy: | sometimes its *easier* to let my wife just treat it like a tv at times... |
| [23:34:07] | tgm4883: | You know people give us crap for stuff the USA does or how americans act, or how companies are treated here, but if I had to deal with half the crap I hear about on here that happen in other countries I'd just give up too |
| [23:34:35] | MrFluffy: | its more a question of geography, we cant pick up english language programming off normal terrestial stuff |
| [23:35:50] | MrFluffy: | so all the maintenance of sat stuff, winds bending the dish in winter etc |
| [23:36:31] | MrFluffy: | I see the little stb's they give out for freeview in the uk, and its almost the functionality of myth at times except its locked to their content |
| [23:37:09] | MrFluffy: | for years I've expected some manufacturer to come out with a tiny passive stb that has a real mythfrontend implementation |
| [23:37:58] | MrFluffy: | but then, I guess we would swap issues from maintaining odd pc's to being at the mercy of the maker to release new flash images for newer versions |
| [23:38:01] | MrFluffy: | Cant win at times... |
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| [23:57:22] | MrFluffy: | right, 1am, good night all |
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