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| [00:01:28] | kisak: | my understanding was if a recording is not in the expected storage directory, it will search all other storage directories to see if it can discover it |
| [00:01:53] | kisak: | it's definately a good idea to make a trash recording and test with that |
| [00:02:49] | kisak: | also, I'm a random user |
| [00:04:03] | warlord: | kisak: but let's say that it was recorded on backend1:/dir1, and I move it to backend2:/dir2 ... be1 doesn't have access to be2:/dir2... Wont the frontend still try to get be1 to play it, since that was the backend that recorded it? |
| [00:04:42] | kisak: | I don't know, I have a single backend |
| [00:05:54] | warlord: | I suppose I can test the theory by copying a file across, moving the file out of the way (instead of deleting it), and then seeing what happens.. But I suspect that wont work based on previous history — I had another BE where the data is available, but frontends wont work unless I add the old BE IP address to my existing BE with access to those files. |
| [00:06:14] | kisak: | yeah, use a recording you don't care about |
| [00:06:53] | warlord: | I care about all of them. But like I said, I don't have to delete it from be1; I can just copy it to be2 and then rename it so it's not found on be1 anymore.. If it doesn't work I can rename it back. |
| [00:07:33] | kisak: | hence why I said to make a trash recording of a random channel |
| [00:07:58] | kisak: | something you can easily throw away if it goes awry |
| [00:21:08] | WhenInRome: | there's mention of slave backend use on https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Setup_Storage_Directories and it seems to be a bad idea |
| [00:28:39] | warlord: | WhenInRome: thanks.. It seems to imply I have a "weird" setup. I can try using the "Master Backend Override" but.... the master backend does NOT have access to *all* storage, only some storage. That might solve one problem, but it's unclear that will solve this one. |
| [00:29:06] | warlord: | Of course that page mentions Reorganizing Recoridngs, but doesn't actually say anything about it other than "you might want to.." |
| [00:30:02] | WhenInRome: | well, keep reading through – it seems that if you define the "union" of all SG directories on the master, it will figure it out |
| [00:32:06] | WhenInRome: | "Quick Rules" seems to imply it can be done, now how to move things around, I suspect just a filesytem copy/move and the master BE will figure it out |
| [00:32:11] | warlord: | WhenInRome: Yes, and then it says: "All MythTV recordings access (recording, playback, etc.) is performed through the recording host's mythbackend." |
| [00:33:13] | warlord: | So if I move it from slave1:/dir1 to master:/dir2... it's unclear that that will work.. and if I turn on the Override, it's unclear that will work because master doesn't have access to slave:/dir |
| [00:33:35] | WhenInRome: | I'd try it by recording some throw-away thing and then move it around |
| [00:34:07] | WhenInRome: | as long as the master BE knew about both places before, it'll just find it |
| [00:34:59] | WhenInRome: | "Therefore, when you *define* a Storage Group (which can only be done on the master backend) and set up a list of directories, that Storage Group exists on *all* hosts" |
| [00:35:45] | warlord: | Right, but... what backend does the frontend ask when it wants to play a video? |
| [00:36:06] | warlord: | What I quoted above seems to imply that it asks the recording backend |
| [00:36:27] | WhenInRome: | but SGs can only be defined on the Master |
| [00:36:39] | WhenInRome: | or "should" |
| [00:37:04] | WhenInRome: | I am just going from reading the Wiki though |
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| [00:40:24] | warlord: | Yes, I understand that, WhenInRome ... but I think we're talking about two different things. Anyways, I'll try it. |
| [00:43:30] | warlord: | Stangely, the storagegroup table includes a hostname.. |
| [00:44:22] | WhenInRome: | so you could browse the master DB and see how your setup is defined? |
| [00:48:48] | warlord: | Of course; I'm browsing my mysql database right now.. |
| [00:49:12] | warlord: | I *BET* what I could do is change the storagegroup id |
| [00:50:34] | warlord: | I'll try a few things when my system is idle.. |
| [00:50:48] | warlord: | Now I just need an easy tool to find the filename for a recording. ;) |
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| [00:51:50] | WhenInRome: | that's in the basename field of the recorded table |
| [00:52:46] | warlord: | AHA. So it is! |
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| [01:03:28] | warlord: | hmm, I wonder if I just need to change the 'hostname' in the recorded table after I move it.. |
| [01:08:29] | WhenInRome: | there'd be no seektable for it |
| [01:11:53] | warlord: | WhenInRome: why not? Isn't the seektable related to the recordedid? |
| [01:12:27] | WhenInRome: | would a slave BE recording's seektable be on the master BE? |
| [01:12:41] | warlord: | The seektable is in the database. |
| [01:12:54] | warlord: | "recordedseek" |
| [01:13:19] | warlord: | indexed by chanid / starttime |
| [01:15:00] | WhenInRome: | from what i understand then just moving the recording to another Storage Group is good enough |
| [01:15:50] | warlord: | I'll try it. I suspect I need to move the .mpg file and then change the 'hostname' in the recorded table. HOPEFULLY that's enough. I'll try it. |
| [01:16:27] | WhenInRome: | if I read abotu SGs right, just moving the file is good enough – the SG mechanism will find it |
| [01:19:13] | warlord: | WhenInRome: I.... dont think so. in fact I have a negative proof that your theory doesn't work. I used to have a backend that used NFS and stored the data on the master backend. That backend does not exist anymore, and I cannot access those recorded files without giving my master the IP address of that old backend. |
| [01:19:43] | warlord: | So... even though the files are in the master be SG, the frontend still wont play them because they are trying to contact the *non-existant* backend |
| [01:20:43] | WhenInRome: | yes, well that's special because the backend doesn't exist – but if it did, the SG would find it by searching all defined SGs |
| [01:21:32] | warlord: | WhenInRome: are you a mythtv dev? |
| [01:21:46] | WhenInRome: | I assume you are doing load-distribution, but moving to decommision a BE would probably require DB updates |
| [01:21:46] | warlord: | (the backend did exist; it just doesn't anymore) |
| [01:22:07] | WhenInRome: | no, just an interested user |
| [01:23:08] | WhenInRome: | I googled "mythtv move recordings to new backend" |
| [01:23:39] | warlord: | right now, yes, i'm trying to load-balance my storage. I've got two backends, a master be and a slave be. I used to have another be which I've decommissioned. That old slave backend used NFS to store files on the "master". The new slave backend has its own disks (which are getting filled). |
| [01:24:04] | warlord: | I want to balance some of the recordings by moving them off of the current slave backend onto the master backend, which has plenty of free disk space. |
| [01:24:29] | warlord: | (I'm not using the master backend for recording for various reasons which I dont need to go into right now) |
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| [01:26:03] | warlord: | even though the masterbe has the old-slave-be storage directory in its SG, I cannot play those recordings from a frontend. It tries to contact the old slave, which doesn't exist. If I give my master the same ip then it works. So clearly it's using the 'hostname' for that. I've not tried changing that, yet, but I suppose that's one test I can do. |
| [01:26:24] | WhenInRome: | well you know yoru 2 options now: copy, and copy+editDB |
| [01:26:26] | warlord: | What I want to do now is clearly similar, but also implies an scp of the files from my current slave to the master. |
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| [01:27:19] | WhenInRome: | it does seem pretty flexible |
| [01:28:01] | warlord: | WhenInRome: indeed. and I did the same google search before I came here :) I was hoping that cpinkham would be around. |
| [01:28:35] | warlord: | anyways, I'm off.. |
| [01:28:37] | warlord: | thanks |
| [01:28:40] | WhenInRome: | ok |
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| [14:30:25] | koffel: | hello all |
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| [16:04:28] | koffel: | anyone awake |
| [16:04:42] | koffel: | i can not figure out how to fix utc time |
| [16:04:51] | koffel: | it off by +3 hours |
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| [16:32:03] | Shadow__X: | koffel: did you fix your system time? |
| [16:37:12] | koffel: | MY SYSTEM TIME IS EASTERN |
| [16:37:26] | Shadow__X: | why are you yelling |
| [16:37:51] | koffel: | sorry cap lock was on |
| [16:38:01] | koffel: | @@system_time_zone | NOW() | UTC_TIMESTAMP() | |
| [16:38:01] | koffel: | +--------------------+---------------------+---------------------+ |
| [16:38:01] | koffel: | | EDT | 2015-10–29 12:34:43 | 2015-10–29 16:34:43 | |
| [16:38:23] | koffel: | i can't figure out why utc time is not right |
| [16:38:53] | Merlin83b: | That is the currnet UTC time. |
| [16:39:01] | Merlin83b: | Speaking as sometime in that timezone right now. |
| [16:39:12] | Merlin83b: | We gave up daylight savings last weekend. |
| [16:39:15] | koffel: | in eastern usa |
| [16:40:10] | Merlin83b: | There is no problem with that output – it *us* currently 16:39 UTC and 12:39 EDT. |
| [16:40:12] | koffel: | i am in philly pa |
| [16:40:23] | Merlin83b: | *is* even. |
| [16:40:38] | Merlin83b: | Doesn't really matter where you are – those are the current EDT and UTC times. There's nothing wrong! |
| [16:41:12] | koffel: | hmm |
| [16:41:41] | koffel: | then i got something else wrong with myth |
| [16:41:54] | koffel: | my channel info is off by 3 hours |
| [16:42:30] | Merlin83b: | What's the output of running date at your command prompt? |
| [16:42:38] | Merlin83b: | Just to be sure it's right for the system and not just mysql. |
| [16:43:03] | koffel: | date |
| [16:43:03] | koffel: | Thu Oct 29 12:42:52 EDT 2015 |
| [16:43:59] | Merlin83b: | Okay, clock's right. |
| [16:44:09] | Merlin83b: | Take a look at https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MySQL_Time_Zone_Tables |
| [16:45:37] | koffel: | i did all that |
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| [16:47:48] | koffel: | yes |
| [16:47:57] | koffel: | yes |
| [16:49:15] | Shadow__X: | what does the mysql output say |
| [16:50:18] | koffel: | SELECT CONVERT_TZ(NOW(), 'SYSTEM', 'Etc/UTC'); |
| [16:50:19] | koffel: | +----------------------------------------+ |
| [16:50:19] | koffel: | | CONVERT_TZ(NOW(), 'SYSTEM', 'Etc/UTC') | |
| [16:50:19] | koffel: | +----------------------------------------+ |
| [16:50:19] | koffel: | | 2015-10–29 12:44:57 | |
| [16:50:19] | koffel: | +----------------------------------------+ |
| [16:51:03] | Shadow__X: | did you wind up changing/updating the time there or the system time? |
| [16:51:07] | Shadow__X: | maybe a reboot is needed? |
| [16:51:36] | koffel: | did not change anything |
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| [16:55:58] | koffel: | REBOOTED |
| [16:56:14] | koffel: | still the same |
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| [17:02:36] | Shadow__X: | i don't remember there being time settings in backend settings but you could look just in case |
| [17:02:48] | Shadow__X: | also, is the issue only listiing data? |
| [17:03:01] | Shadow__X: | does it have a 3 hour block missing, its starting at the wrong time what? |
| [17:03:30] | koffel: | yes it starts at 3 hours backward |
| [17:03:36] | Shadow__X: | where |
| [17:03:43] | koffel: | all the channels |
| [17:03:54] | Shadow__X: | are you checking on frontend,mythweb what |
| [17:04:03] | koffel: | says fox is 12 pm news |
| [17:04:08] | koffel: | it says 7a |
| [17:04:11] | koffel: | news |
| [17:04:22] | koffel: | myweb/frontend |
| [17:04:26] | koffel: | all the same |
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| [17:23:53] | koffel: | does mythtv 27 can i set timezone for channel listings |
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| [20:13:19] | warlord: | WhenInRome: FYI, I just verified that that works. If I scp the files from slave1 -> master and then change the 'hostname' entry in the recorded table from 'slave1' to 'master' it all works. |
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| [20:17:51] | WhenInRome: | ta-da! that sounds very handy |
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| [20:27:30] | warlord: | Yep. I was able to watch it and then delete it. :) |
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| [20:30:33] | luzido: | hi, i want to burn the kid-series 'robin hood', but a lot of the recordings end befor the actual broadcasting ends, and the tail of the broadcasting is in another recording. |
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| [20:32:06] | luzido: | my question: can i configure mythtv to record everytime +15mins more then the EPG-data (EPG seems to lie alot), actually i had configured it like that but... |
| [20:33:16] | luzido: | ... with robin hood its often that another recording starts right after the 1st, and mythtv didn't record more, but just splits at the EPG time |
| [20:35:51] | luzido: | or alternative is there a automated way to copy 15mins from consecutivly recordings so i can use myth tv to just cut and throw away the extra minutes, right now i didn't have any extra minutes, i have to use another programm to burn a dvd and do a lot of hustle to join episodes to the full length |
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