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Saturday, October 10th, 2015, 01:20 UTC

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EULAreader:

Howdy folks.

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EULAreader:

Hmmmm

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EULAreader:

Is this where I ask if a device is supproted?

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EULAreader:

I have this pci capture thing.

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EULAreader:

Will it work?

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EULAreader:

What os do I have to install

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hydroponx:

what device ?

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hydroponx:

MythTv runs on many systems, the easiest to setup is probably mythbuntu

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EULAreader:

"Wintv happauge 1998"

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EULAreader:

It's got coax

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EULAreader:

And rca

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EULAreader:

Should I go x64 or x32

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EULAreader:

Pc is not current.

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hydroponx:

what processor are you using?

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EULAreader:

I'm going to try x64

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EULAreader:

Some Intel thing.

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EULAreader:

Gotta boot it to fid out

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hydroponx:

have you got the hauppauge card pulled out by chance ?

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EULAreader:

Yes

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EULAreader:

It's right in my hands

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EULAreader:

It says ntsc

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EULAreader:

I'm not in pal land.

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hydroponx:

should be a big white label on it

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EULAreader:

Ya?

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EULAreader:

Rev a?

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hydroponx:

what's on it ?

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hydroponx:

just 1998 rev a ?

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EULAreader:

Says 62471 reva

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EULAreader:

Wintv logo

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EULAreader:

It's got fm and coax

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EULAreader:

And line out.

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EULAreader:

And win 95 software disk

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hydroponx:

wanting it for Cable or OTA ?

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EULAreader:

Cable. :)

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EULAreader:

Trying to setup show recording.

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hydroponx:

What carrier ?

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EULAreader:

Cox.

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EULAreader:

I know the cable box has to be on.

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EULAreader:

And set to proper chnael

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EULAreader:

It's just a proof of concept for my family :)

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EULAreader:

Gotta find a hdd to install to. Is raid suported?

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hydroponx:

sure

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EULAreader:

Well does sd tv take lots of disk space? 25gb/h?

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EULAreader:

What quality settings

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hydroponx:

HD takes about 2GB/hr uncompressed if I remember right

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EULAreader:

It's not hd.

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hydroponx:

then it'll be less

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EULAreader:

Would it be bad to run raid over pci card?

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EULAreader:

And this cap card.

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EULAreader:

Or would that just be bad.

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hydroponx:

the main things is to make sure you have enough disk i/o to support the transfer rates

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EULAreader:

It's only 1 stream.

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hydroponx:

without knowing specifics of your system, it'd be hard to say, but i wouldn't think it'd hurt for POC

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EULAreader:

Well can I save videos to a separate drive?

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hydroponx:

seperate from ?

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hydroponx:

as for that tuner card .. I can't find anything on it, anywhere so far

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EULAreader:

Hapuage wintv 150

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EULAreader:

Or 1500

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EULAreader:

I think that's the proper model #

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hydroponx:

https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-150

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hydroponx:

that look like it ?

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EULAreader:

Mosly they combined red and white rca into 1/8 audio jack

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EULAreader:

So will it wor

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EULAreader:

This 4gb ram system. Is x64 needed? Or should I run x32

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EULAreader:

X86*****

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hydroponx:

it might work

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EULAreader:

OK sweet

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EULAreader:

So 64 then

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EULAreader:

Cool

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hydroponx:

as long as the video4linux subsystem supports it

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EULAreader:

It worked in the past 3 years ago

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hydroponx:

cpu determines whether or not x64 will work

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EULAreader:

Oh ya

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hydroponx:

drop it in a machine, boot to a livecd, check dmesg and /dev to see if the card is recognized ... lspci -v may be of use too

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hydroponx:

i had issues with some of my older wintv cards, but they could have been just bad

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EULAreader:

What do I look for in lspci

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arrrghhh:

hey, is there a config file for the mythtv backend? I can't figure out how to set the disk space requirements... I'd like myth to delete my recordings marked 'watched' quicker

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arrrghhh:

I set my kodi front-end at 15 days but I have recordings back to August

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hydroponx:

the hauppauge card

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hydroponx:

arrrghhh, myth does it based on free space

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arrrghhh:

hydroponx, yes how can I configure what that free space setting is?

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hydroponx:

TV Settings – General, I think

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arrrghhh:

is that in mythtv-setup? is there no config file?

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hydroponx:

yea, mythtv-setup

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hydroponx:

most of the settings are in the database

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arrrghhh:

hm that is annoying...

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arrrghhh:

I am on a very slow connection trying to configure this remotely... forwarding X on a LAN is painful

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arrrghhh:

I will try it over this remote connection

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hydroponx:

works great for me

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arrrghhh:

really? I have a gigabit router and it's slooooow

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hydroponx:

but, i have wireless b/g/n/ac and gig eth wired

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arrrghhh:

I can't imagine how bad it is over a WAN

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hydroponx:

it's not really designed to run the backend setup over wan

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hydroponx:

i just vnc to the xsession, mainly because my laptop is windows

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arrrghhh:

ditto

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arrrghhh:

and my server is headless...

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hydroponx:

oh, i have a combined fe/be

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arrrghhh:

so forwarding X over SSH is my only option

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arrrghhh:

yea my front end is a rasberry pi 2 with kodi

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arrrghhh:

I just want to change this one setting... hopefully I can get it done lol

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hydroponx:

how's that working? I've played with it a little, but i haven't had much luck performance wise

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arrrghhh:

oh the rpi2 is great. about the only thing it seems to struggle with is really HQ video with surround sound

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hydroponx:

everything I push is 1080p w/ 5.1

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arrrghhh:

yea it'll do 1080p w/5.1

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arrrghhh:

but if the source file is hevc or huge it seems to have issues

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arrrghhh:

pretty much all the OTA stuff I play thru myth is 1080p/5.1 tho. no problem

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arrrghhh:

my amp doesn't do hdmi tho so I have to use this j-tech digital switchbox that splits the audio out to optical

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hydroponx:

yea, I have a pioneer vsx-1130

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hydroponx:

got distracted when I got the pi2 ... gf got me a firetv a week or two later

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arrrghhh:

haha

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EULAreader:

Hmmmm

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arrrghhh:

ok so I see the config for HD ringbuffer size...

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arrrghhh:

but that's just for livetv right?

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arrrghhh:

yea looks like I only need to change this if I have disk IO issues

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hydroponx:

correct

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arrrghhh:

hydroponx, can you do me a favor, run mythtv-setup and tell me exactly where this disk space setting is for recorded shows? I'm on page 2 after 20 minutes lol

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hydroponx:

Setup->Video->General

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hydroponx:

Extra disk space (GB)

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arrrghhh:

sweet thanks

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arrrghhh:

will probably take an hour to get back to the main page tho.... gonna kill it lol

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EULAreader:

FINALLY booting this pc!!!

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EULAreader:

What do I run in termnail?

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arrrghhh:

dowhatnow

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EULAreader:

I want to see if my cards compatible.

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hydroponx:

dmesg |grep -i haup

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hydroponx:

start with that

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EULAreader:

Lots of stuff

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EULAreader:

System is not on the lanz.

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EULAreader:

Pcid 0070:13eb

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EULAreader:

Happauge bt878

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EULAreader:

Is that useful information?

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hydroponx:

should be supported then

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EULAreader:

Yay!!!!

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EULAreader:

Gotta clear off some hard drives.

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EULAreader:

Is raid easy to setup in the os?

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hydroponx:

software raid ?

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EULAreader:

Happaughe model 62471 with msp34xx

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EULAreader:

Yep

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hydroponx:

can be done in setup, but, maintaining and monitoring can be tricky if you're not familiar with linux

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EULAreader:

I have a tad exp.

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EULAreader:

I think I have a pci sata card. It's prob not worth using. Can I install to USB drive?

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hydroponx:

you'll want to read up on mdraid and https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO

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hydroponx:

install linux ? sure, I have a bootable USB w/ Centos, Suse, ubuntu, and a few others + a win 7 install iso

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EULAreader:

Should I make back end on a vm?

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EULAreader:

I'm going to try to insall on SD card.

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hydroponx:

the backend would need physical access to that card

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EULAreader:

Aw nevermind then.

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EULAreader:

It needs 8.6gb???

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EULAreader:

Aw

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EULAreader:

Too big for my 8gb SD card.

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EULAreader:

Well I got a spare 16gb usb. Is it bad to install to usb?

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hydroponx:

i usually put the OS on an internal disk if it's going to be longterm

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arrrghhh:

hydroponx, what version of myth are you running? I see "video sources" but no "video"...

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hydroponx:

0.27, but i was looking at the wiki

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arrrghhh:

hm.

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EULAreader:

Ya I need to prep hdds.

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hydroponx:

i'm at a point i can check to be sure

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arrrghhh:

I keep wondering if I should downgrade... I initially installed 0.28

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EULAreader:

Just a pod.

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EULAreader:

Poc.

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EULAreader:

But ya

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hydroponx:

yea, 0.28 is still beta

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arrrghhh:

whenever I am healthy enough to move back home I'll probably do that. Bleeding edge usually makes you bleed :D

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EULAreader:

My cpu is Intel e5200

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EULAreader:

How bad is that?

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arrrghhh:

EULAreader, if you're not transcoding it should be fine

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EULAreader:

Well I'm capturing to video

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EULAreader:

Then transferring it over network or playing back on same system.

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arrrghhh:

again if you're not transcoding the video it should be fine

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EULAreader:

OK well cool

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hydroponx:

the only things I saw under the backend was to choose how the clean up is done

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EULAreader:

Sweet

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arrrghhh:

for transcoding 1080p they usually recommend a quad core proc

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hydroponx:

balanced free space vs. % , etc..

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EULAreader:

I'm capturing ntsc sd.

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EULAreader:

No 1080p here

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EULAreader:

But it does have 4gb ram

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hydroponx:

extra disk space is actually a frontend setting ...

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arrrghhh:

yea if you're just capturing/playing back w/o transcoding, that should be enough

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EULAreader:

So it will fit on 8gb sdcard.

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arrrghhh:

hydroponx, uhhh. I don't have a true myth FE

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EULAreader:

It said it needs 8.6gb

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arrrghhh:

so the frontend deletes the recordings?

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hydroponx:

no

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hydroponx:

just has the setting for how much free disk space to maintain

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arrrghhh:

hm. so I should be able to install a FE on my windoze laptop and change the setting, without ever using that FE again? seems silly

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arrrghhh:

but if it works, I don't care. better than trying to delete these old recordings by hand each time my disk fills

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hydroponx:

yea

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hydroponx:

you can also just edit the DB i suppose

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arrrghhh:

if you know where that setting is :) I'm not familiar with the schema

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hydroponx:

update settings set data = '20' where value = 'AutoExpireExtraSpace' LIMIT 1;

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hydroponx:

making sure to backup first of course

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hydroponx:

that'll make sure you keep 20GB free space

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arrrghhh:

oh ok. default is 2gb right?

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hydroponx:

not sure

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hydroponx:

mines set to 20

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hydroponx:

but I have 4x2TB disks so it'll take a while for it to be an issue for me

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arrrghhh:

lol. I don't dedicate that much space to myth... I have a 1tb disk and I'd like myth to only use ~400gb of that

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hydroponx:

eh, this box is dedicated to it

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hydroponx:

and I have all my dvd's ripped

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arrrghhh:

right now I have less than 7gb free so I dunno what the default is

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EULAreader:

Found 4 matching hdds.

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arrrghhh:

hydroponx, is that for .27 or .28? I can't find that setting... looking at the db now, select * from settings;

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arrrghhh:

http://pastebin.com/AHETbL0t :(

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EULAreader:

I found 4x250 drives.

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EULAreader:

But they are kinda failing so ya

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EULAreader:

Hope it works.

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arrrghhh:

you know they're failing? uh... lol

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EULAreader:

Yep they have 46k poh.

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EULAreader:

Ya they are old drives.

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arrrghhh:

well I suppose I just need to gut .28 and install .27

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arrrghhh:

another day...

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EULAreader:

Hmmmm

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EULAreader:

Howdy

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EULAreader:

Excited to install it today!

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EULAreader:

I wonder if this will work.

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mad_enz:

if it didn't then you didn't do it right

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EULAreader:

My hard drives are failing so ya it might now work.

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EULAreader:

Lol

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EULAreader:

I'm gonna try.

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rockstar_:

Is HDrip as good as 1080p for TV?

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rockstar_:

1080p tv

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EULAreader:

Excited to finally install mythtv via mythbunutu.

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EULAreader:

Is there an install guide

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arrrghhh:

screw it, just added a find /path/to/files* -mtime +5 -exec rm {} \; to cron.daily

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arrrghhh:

if I can't figure out how to cleanup myth recorded shows, I'll do it mahself :D

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clever:

you dont need -exec, there is a -delete right in find

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Steve-Goodey:

EULAreader: This might help. https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detai . . . tion_Backend

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EULAreader:

Sweet thanks

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EULAreader:

Can I run everything on 1 computer?

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Hydr0p0nX:

sure, I have one install running that way right now

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EULAreader:

Whew cool. Trying to free up a few hard drives.

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EULAreader:

Is it easy to setup the os on raid 1?

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mad_enz:

EULAreader: yes. there are a lots of instructions on the interweb for setting up ubuntu on RAID

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EULAreader:

Sweet

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EULAreader:

Could I install the os on a single disk then save the captured video to raid 1? Or should it be two raid 1 arrays? Can the system boot from raid 1?

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