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| [01:06:28] | Conker: | Hi all, hopefuly straightforward easy question for ya, but i've no idea im just in the planning stage. is it possible to have a single mythtv backend with a tunner capable of multiple inputs (such as the ceton infinitv) and have multiple independent frontends play different channels? |
| [01:06:49] | spinull: | yes |
| [01:06:52] | Conker: | (at the same time of course) |
| [01:07:49] | Conker: | ooh, great, and also im saddened it's taken me this long to consider such a setup |
| [01:08:02] | spinull: | i had a hd homerun prime 6-cc (which im trying to get rid of now) streaming (over wire) to two bedrooms and the living room |
| [01:09:07] | Conker: | how does it handle multiple frontends streaming the same channel live? does it tie up x number of tuner inputs or just one? |
| [01:09:38] | spinull: | x |
| [01:11:31] | Conker: | okay, fair enough, i doubt i'd ever have an issue if i ordered the ceton infinitv 6 pcie, 6 inputs, they indicate one doesn't need a CableCard, so hopefully thats true (i only plan on using it for ClearQAM) |
| [01:11:56] | Conker: | unless perhaps a HVR-2250 may be a better choice |
| [01:13:04] | spinull: | iv since retired my mythtv setup, and given up on TV all together |
| [01:13:40] | spinull: | cant really give you much advice |
| [01:14:40] | spinull: | really just came back to peddle my goods |
| [01:14:51] | Conker: | hehe, good idea |
| [01:15:15] | spinull: | 2 hdpvr usb2's and a HD Homerun Prime 6-tuner box |
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| [01:21:32] | ** Conker wishes he would remember where his old hauppauge tuner card went :s ** | |
| [01:21:42] | Conker: | just for a PoC |
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| [01:50:49] | SleePy: | Picked up a HDHome Run Connect. It doesn't seem to be finding channels. My provider provides unencrypted cable. But I am thinking its possible they are using QAM instead of ASTC. Anything I can make sure the HD Homerun is not at fault before I try again? |
| [01:52:07] | SleePy: | It picks up some channels that apparently are encrypted, but its not picking up the unencrypted ones |
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| [02:33:34] | ChaosMageX: | The wiki pages with the hardware requirements for MythTV/Mythbuntu seem to be several years out of date. Is there anywhere I can find more up-to-date information on the hardware requirements for a MythTV/Mythbuntu backend server, specifically one that uses SiliconDust HDHomeRun tuners? I want to try to figure out an affordable build. |
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| [02:36:21] | hydroponx: | ChaosMageX, I'm running an AMD FX(tm)-6300 w/ 16GB of RAM for my backend/frontend combo after 23 days my loadaverage is 0.35 |
| [02:36:39] | hydroponx: | peak of .46 |
| [02:36:47] | hydroponx: | while streaming livetv @ 1080p |
| [02:37:22] | hydroponx: | <2GB of RAM is in use for anything other than Cache |
| [02:38:23] | ChaosMageX: | What is the maximum number of shows you've recorded at once? My server needs to handle at least 7 shows at once, from two HDHomeRun units, and one HDHomeRun Prime unit. |
| [02:39:47] | hydroponx: | the main thing is making sure you have enough disk I/O to support that volume of data consistently |
| [02:40:27] | ChaosMageX: | That's why I'm planning on using WD Purple drives. My main concern is the amount of RAM and processing power needed. |
| [02:41:44] | [R]: | you dont need ram or cpu to record a digital stream |
| [02:42:06] | ChaosMageX: | Luckily, it won't be doing much, if any, transcoding. I want to preserve the incoming MPEG2 transport streams in their original format. I'm guessing it's only transcoding that needs the major processing power. |
| [02:42:27] | hydroponx: | transcoding doesn't need all that much either |
| [02:42:39] | hydroponx: | not by todays standards at least |
| [02:44:28] | ChaosMageX: | What's the cheapest box I can get for running the front-end? I've been considering the Asus Chromebox with Linux flash-booted onto it, but that's $150. Is there anything under $100 that could suffice? |
| [02:45:21] | hydroponx: | anything with hardware mpeg-2 decoding should work for most US based tv streams |
| [02:45:37] | hydroponx: | if you're just wanting max of 1080p |
| [02:46:27] | hydroponx: | 4k may require a little more |
| [02:50:45] | ChaosMageX: | I don't know where to look for hardware based MPEG2 decoding. The only device I've found so far is the Hauppauge MediaMVP, and that device is so out of date it doesn't even have HDMI output. |
| [02:51:50] | [R]: | do you have a cpu from like 20 years ago? |
| [02:52:29] | ChaosMageX: | No, but I was trying to get an EVGA 750i SLI mobo to work for the backend, but I think it might be faulty. |
| [02:52:52] | [R]: | what does that havee to do with decoding? |
| [02:54:11] | ChaosMageX: | I'm trying to build the server to run the MythTV back-end. Would an AMD A4–7300 and MSI A68 mobo suffice? |
| [02:54:24] | [R]: | backend oesnt erally need much |
| [02:54:40] | [R]: | mine is like 10 years old |
| [02:54:58] | ChaosMageX: | And how many shows can you record at once? |
| [02:55:06] | ChaosMageX: | I need to be able to record at least 7 at once. |
| [02:55:12] | hydroponx: | yea, mine is over kill because the A6 was cheap when I bought it |
| [02:55:40] | [R]: | how many times do you need to be told the same thing? |
| [02:55:46] | [R]: | [07:39:47] <hydroponx> the main thing is making sure you have enough disk I/O to support that volume of data consistently |
| [02:55:50] | [R]: | [07:41:43] <[R]> you dont need ram or cpu to record a digital stream |
| [02:55:56] | ChaosMageX: | Yeah, you're right. |
| [02:56:03] | hydroponx: | and I later upgraded another box and took the old RAM and moved it into this one |
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| [02:56:56] | ChaosMageX: | I guess by today's standards even cheap computers can suffice, as long as I use the WD Purple or WD AV hard drives. |
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| [02:57:58] | hydroponx: | I'm moving to hitachi enterprise drives, mainly because 2 year warranties mean constant replacements for me |
| [02:58:33] | [R]: | you kill your drives before 2 years? |
| [02:58:43] | hydroponx: | not usually , no |
| [02:58:43] | [R]: | wtf are you doing with them... |
| [02:59:09] | hydroponx: | but, I've had several Seagates die just outside of the warranty period lately =/ |
| [02:59:35] | hydroponx: | apparently, stocked up when they still had issues with >= 1TB platters |
| [02:59:43] | ChaosMageX: | The WD Purple drives have 3 year warranties, I think. Since they're mainly used for hi-def surveillence systems, I think they can handle PVR stuff, and I'm planning on storing them away once they fill up to keep my recordings archived. |
| [03:03:40] | hydroponx: | I have 8TB in my mythserver |
| [03:04:03] | hydroponx: | still haven't used more than 615GB on any given disk |
| [03:04:34] | Roklobsta: | hydroponx: puny |
| [03:04:44] | ChaosMageX: | What are you using for the front-end boxes connected to your TVs? |
| [03:04:51] | hydroponx: | me ? |
| [03:04:56] | ChaosMageX: | Yes. |
| [03:05:10] | hydroponx: | I have an old HP media box the gf brought with her when she moved in |
| [03:05:30] | hydroponx: | been playing with Raspberry Pi and firetv box too though |
| [03:05:34] | Roklobsta: | i have 3 2TB wd greens in RAID 5 and smartmontools gonna email me if the shit hits the fan. |
| [03:05:48] | Roklobsta: | the greens have the idle turned off |
| [03:06:04] | hydroponx: | so, you have 4TB of storage? |
| [03:06:10] | hydroponx: | and 8 is puny ? :) |
| [03:06:11] | Roklobsta: | yeah. puny/2 |
| [03:06:32] | ChaosMageX: | Really? The Raspberry Pi 2 does have enough horsepower to run the MythTV front-end and stream 1080p MPEG2 video? |
| [03:06:48] | hydroponx: | ChaosMageX, I said playing with.... |
| [03:07:11] | hydroponx: | there are people that have made it work using Kodi as a frontend, but I haven't made it run right yet |
| [03:07:28] | hydroponx: | and you do have to by the hardware decoding licenses |
| [03:07:41] | Roklobsta: | arse |
| [03:08:01] | ChaosMageX: | Right. I've heard contradicting things about whether it's powerful enough to run Kodi. |
| [03:08:45] | Roklobsta: | well do you get h.264 with that license? |
| [03:09:35] | ChaosMageX: | More importantly, can H.264 carry the closed captioning meta-data? |
| [03:10:14] | hydroponx: | mpeg2 and vc-1 |
| [03:12:37] | Roklobsta: | useless |
| [03:12:56] | ChaosMageX: | I want to try using the MythTV front-end instead of Kodi because I couldn't get Kodi to display closed captioning, even though I know for a fact the MPEG2 TS contained closed captioning data because I was able to extract it using CCExtractor after finishing recording the program I was watching with Kodi. |
| [03:14:35] | hydroponx: | H.264 is available also |
| [03:15:14] | hydroponx: | and CEC support |
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| [03:27:38] | Roklobsta: | hmmm CEC |
| [03:27:54] | Roklobsta: | i Have a Pulse8 CEC USB thng i have yet to use |
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| [03:33:11] | ChaosMageX: | CEC? That's what allows the TV to control the front-end box through the HDMI connection, right? |
| [03:35:03] | Roklobsta: | yes |
| [03:35:07] | Roklobsta: | if you TV supports it |
| [03:35:25] | Roklobsta: | i want to get rid of my harmony remote and just use the tv on |
| [03:35:26] | Roklobsta: | e |
| [03:35:47] | ChaosMageX: | Now, I have a few important questions about MythTV itself. |
| [03:37:02] | ChaosMageX: | Is it capable of retroactive recording, in which if you've been watching a program from the beginning, and all of it is still in the timeshift buffer, it will record the program from the beginning, rather than the time at which you hit the record button? |
| [03:40:02] | ChaosMageX: | And can you set the amount of time that MythTV keeps in the timeshift buffer? |
| [03:42:14] | Roklobsta: | dunno about that, i'd say not. |
| [03:42:20] | Roklobsta: | better ask on #myth |
| [03:43:06] | ChaosMageX: | You mean #mythtv, right? |
| [03:43:14] | Roklobsta: | er yes |
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| [04:14:53] | KungFuJesus: | nobody cares about my bug :( https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12515 |
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| [07:43:43] | Bray90820: | So I got an error in my logs and the episode didn't record |
| [07:43:45] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=D91uXyEi |
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| [09:11:16] | stuarta: | Bray90820: that's not an error, that's an informational message. please share more of the log |
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| [10:19:35] | HRH_H_Crab: | /lastlog crab |
| [10:19:38] | HRH_H_Crab: | oops |
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| [14:35:31] | RedPenguin: | hello all |
| [14:37:23] | RedPenguin: | At my buddie's house we have a PRIME with cablecard setup but also a 950Q with ClearQAM for locals to help allievate conflicts on the cablecard, but for some reason it wants to double record things if it doesn't know the name of the episode like this Monday it wants to record Kimmel on both the PRIME and ClearQAM but then it goes away after some mythfilldatabases but for a while it think's theirs conflicts not realizing it's the exact s |
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| [14:38:09] | RedPenguin: | We basically want the 950q as a fallover if the PRIME doesn |
| [14:38:21] | RedPenguin: | doesn't have enough tuners for locals |
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| [15:38:57] | stuarta: | RedPenguin: do they have the exact same set of channels? |
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| [15:50:37] | stuarta: | RedPenguin: given your earlier statement of "for locals" i'd guess not |
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| [18:23:03] | RedPenguin: | stuarta: yea the PRIME's locals are ClearQAM which are what the 950q also views, so exact same chnanels |
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| [18:40:35] | Bray90820: | StevenR_: if your around http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=R2fep8cG |
| [18:40:44] | Bray90820: | If not maybe someone else can take a look |
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| [19:22:16] | Bray90820: | Sorry I just realized i had a wrong ping |
| [19:22:18] | Bray90820: | stuarta: |
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| [20:22:45] | stuarta: | RedPenguin: since they both use the exact same lineup, then use a single guide data source (what's that called again??) |
| [20:24:58] | Bray90820: | stuarta: do you have time to take a look at my logs? |
| [20:25:44] | stuarta: | not tonight sorry, i have about 5–6 bugzillas to raise in about 2hrs |
| [20:25:51] | Bray90820: | Anright |
| [20:25:58] | Bray90820: | No worries |
| [20:26:02] | Bray90820: | Anyone else? |
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| [22:57:09] | RedPenguin: | stuarta: we tried that in the past and it tried to use the 950q even for channels not on it |
| [22:57:57] | RedPenguin: | Like for example truTV is only on the PRIME not 950q but putting them in the same group, mythtv tried to record on truTV on the 950q in the same group |
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