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| [13:08:54] | jarle: | Jay2k1: putting the db on an SSD really makes a huge speed improvement. |
| [13:09:36] | Jay2k1: | well, it is on an ssd, albeit an old one (a 16GB SLC SATA SSD) |
| [13:09:55] | Jay2k1: | and i don't think it's an IO issue |
| [13:10:10] | Jay2k1: | there wasn't any IO wait visible in top when these hiccups happened |
| [13:14:51] | stuarta: | what does everyone do that requires the DB on an SSD? i've always had mine on normal HDD with no issues |
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| [13:20:34] | Jay2k1: | well, i had that ssd left over, and with 16GB you can't do much |
| [13:20:55] | Jay2k1: | but a rather small linux system that's on rather slow hardware anyway... why not |
| [13:21:10] | Jay2k1: | so there's a hdd mounted on /mythstorage and the rest is on the ssd, including the database |
| [13:22:21] | stuarta: | fair enough |
| [13:24:19] | Jay2k1: | i noticed something else while digging deeper for these hiccups though, in kern.log: http://paste.jay2k1.com/view/360d7bd9 |
| [13:25:09] | Jay2k1: | so i'm somewhat confident it's not mysql |
| [13:25:36] | stuarta: | that looks like you are running out of buffer in the dvb card |
| [13:26:06] | Jay2k1: | if you scroll down a bit you'll see some cpu lockup |
| [13:26:23] | Jay2k1: | not sure if these are related to each other |
| [13:27:11] | Jay2k1: | anyway, i googled that and found recommendations to add "irqpoll" to the boot options in grub |
| [13:27:41] | stuarta: | are you trying to record a lot of channels at once? |
| [13:27:57] | Jay2k1: | turns out that option is already set |
| [13:28:13] | Jay2k1: | hmm, i sometimes might have two recordings at once, but hardly |
| [13:28:23] | stuarta: | no that's not a lot |
| [13:28:31] | Jay2k1: | and yesterday while i watched a recording and this logged stuff happened, there was nothing else going on |
| [13:28:55] | Jay2k1: | apart from mentioned mythtv mysql stuff, probably some kind of housekeeping i guess |
| [13:29:17] | stuarta: | i wonder if your card is dying, |
| [13:29:34] | stuarta: | it shouldn't take so long to write to the buffer that you trigger the soft lockup detector |
| [13:29:52] | stuarta: | 23s is a long time to be stuck for |
| [13:29:58] | Jay2k1: | i don't think so to be honest. i had somewhat faster but way more energy hungry hardware before (different mobo/cpu/ram), and never had these problems |
| [13:30:08] | Jay2k1: | ever since i changed (months ago), i experienced these issues |
| [13:30:23] | Jay2k1: | i always thought it's because the HW is slower |
| [13:30:33] | stuarta: | interesting, so it's more likely related to how the board drives the card |
| [13:30:48] | Jay2k1: | that's my guess, yes |
| [13:31:10] | stuarta: | wonder if it's something stupid like insufficient power to properly power the card |
| [13:31:47] | Jay2k1: | it's an ASUS E35M1-M PRO |
| [13:32:07] | stuarta: | i'm thinking out loud :) |
| [13:32:58] | Jay2k1: | hmm, but if these DVB card buffer errors happen while i'm not recording... |
| [13:33:10] | Jay2k1: | what would it be? EIT? |
| [13:33:37] | stuarta: | if you use it, yes, that opens the card and reads data from it |
| [13:33:45] | Jay2k1: | yeah i do |
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| [13:33:52] | stuarta: | much less than a recording mind you |
| [13:34:00] | Jay2k1: | that's what makes me wonder |
| [13:34:04] | stuarta: | bandwidth wise |
| [13:34:09] | Jay2k1: | it's not like there's super high load on it |
| [13:36:04] | Jay2k1: | i run mythbuntu 12.04, so what i did yesterday after all this and being clueless, i installed a backports, i mean, hardware enablement stack kernel (from 3.2 to 3.13) |
| [13:36:35] | Jay2k1: | maybe that helps, although the cards are quite old, model wise, so i don't hold high hopes |
| [13:39:49] | Jay2k1: | just grepped the kernel logs from last 2 months, this >80% buffer error happens for both cards i have, so i guess that rules out a dying card |
| [13:40:15] | stuarta: | did the errors start after the upgradE? |
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| [13:40:26] | Jay2k1: | the hardware upgrade you mean? |
| [13:40:38] | stuarta: | the backports. ie new kernel |
| [13:40:51] | Jay2k1: | ah no, that was the last step i did last night |
| [13:41:03] | Jay2k1: | i have yet to watch recordings and see if it changed anything |
| [13:42:26] | Jay2k1: | i've had that since changing board/cpu/ram, which was months ago, but couldn't be bothered doing something about it, because it was just small hiccups, maybe 2–4 times during a 40-min episode of some show, and if it got too bad i could just pause, wait a few seconds and resume watching and it was gone |
| [13:42:40] | Jay2k1: | but... something is wrong and it kinda bothers me :) |
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| [13:50:28] | Jay2k1: | and what kind of admin likes having errors in their syslogs |
| [13:51:02] | ** stuarta agrees ** | |
| [13:53:15] | devinheitmueller: | Probably some other faulty hardware like a disk which blocks all I/O in the system, causing the DVB devices to overflow their buffer pool. |
| [13:53:59] | Jay2k1: | that might be, and given the age of the used SSD, i'll probably just dd it to some spare harddisk and swap them and see if it changes anything |
| [13:54:00] | devinheitmueller: | I once had a system where I spent several days debugging a raw video capture card problem like that, only to find out that the underlying problem was the user configured the BIOS to have a floppy drive, but the floppy drive wasn’t actually connected. |
| [13:54:11] | Jay2k1: | errr |
| [13:54:14] | Jay2k1: | okay... |
| [13:54:57] | Jay2k1: | that's probably the case in many computers of the pre-UEFI age, since i believe an enabled FDC and a floppy drive A was default in many BIOSes |
| [13:56:10] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, combined with a s**tty Linux driver which is too dumb not to hang the whole system if the hardware isn’t responsive. |
| [13:57:19] | stuarta: | shitty.drivers-- |
| [13:58:38] | devinheitmueller: | Was particularly frustrating because it was a fixed cost project and the problem ended up being with the client’s hardware platform and had nothing to do with my driver (wasn’t reproducible locally). |
| [13:59:08] | devinheitmueller: | Even more fun, it was an 8U rackmount chassis they had to ship me from across the country so I could repro the problem and debug it. |
| [13:59:37] | Jay2k1: | it probably was somewhat noisy too |
| [14:00:01] | devinheitmueller: | It was quite noisy, but fortunately only sat in my office for half a day before I found the issue. |
| [14:01:03] | Jay2k1: | 8U, that's quite large, i was going to say it's bigger than anything we have here, but that would only be true for servers... the router is 14U |
| [14:01:30] | devinheitmueller: | Hmm, on second thought it might have just been a 6U. It was definitely bigger than a 4U. |
| [14:01:38] | devinheitmueller: | And full depth. |
| [14:02:07] | devinheitmueller: | Fun with integration! |
| [14:05:51] | Jay2k1: | so i'll re-check the BIOS (UEFI) to see if i really disabled everything i don't need, and i'll also swap out the SSD, hopefully that will fix it, the board is really sweet :/ |
| [14:06:13] | stuarta: | unlikely to be the ssd |
| [14:06:40] | devinheitmueller: | Here’s something else to try: see what the load average is when the system is completely idle. If it isn’t along the lines of 0.0, then you’ve very likely got something spinning the CPU. |
| [14:07:01] | devinheitmueller: | (for example, in the case above the load average was 1.0 even when completely idle) |
| [14:09:03] | Jay2k1: | 0.32, 0.44, 0.60 |
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| [14:09:18] | Jay2k1: | mythfrontend and -backend having ~6% CPU |
| [14:09:27] | devinheitmueller: | Looks fine. |
| [14:09:36] | devinheitmueller: | Could be some intermittent condition then. |
| [14:09:40] | Jay2k1: | yeah |
| [14:09:51] | devinheitmueller: | (in my case once I saw the load average was always 1.0, it was pretty easy to chase down) |
| [14:10:26] | Jay2k1: | heh, reminds me of the kipmi0 thread on some supermicro boards having 100% cpu and keeping the load at 1.00 |
| [14:10:42] | devinheitmueller: | OH don’t get me started on the horror that is IPMI. |
| [14:11:00] | Jay2k1: | solution via google: "just ignore it. it does no harm and due to nice 20, it doesn't block any resources." |
| [14:11:29] | stuarta: | hah |
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