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| [14:50:32] | qu: | Is anyone able to use zoneminder? |
| [14:57:39] | paul-h: | qu: works for me |
| [15:08:30] | qu: | I have no ZoneMinder menu entry in Myth, and in Firefox it says "A plugin is needed to view this video". |
| [15:09:09] | qu: | Everyone but me seems to have it working, but no one knows how it actually works. |
| [15:12:27] | qu: | For some reason I don't have anything listening on port 6548. |
| [15:15:36] | paul-h: | Do you have mythzmserver running on the same computer that ZoneMinder is running on? |
| [15:16:05] | qu: | Different machine, but even where zmc is running there's nothing listening to 6548. |
| [15:17:54] | paul-h: | zmc is part of ZoneMinder so nothing to do with Myth it's mythzmserver that the frontend plugin connects to using that port |
| [15:19:13] | qu: | I have mythzmserver on the Myth machine but not the ZM machine. |
| [15:19:14] | paul-h: | You have ZoneMinder running somewhere and on the same host you run mythzmserver then all the frontends connect to that |
| [15:20:43] | qu: | I wonder why mythzmserver didn't come with the ZM CentOS packages... |
| [15:21:24] | paul-h: | It's not part of ZoneMInder it's part of Myth |
| [15:22:26] | qu: | Maybe this has defeated me. |
| [15:23:32] | paul-h: | There is some docs here it's a little out of date though https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythZoneMinder |
| [15:25:27] | qu: | Went through those. Nothing describes the camera streams or plugins for them. |
| [15:27:32] | paul-h: | I take it you don't have Myth installed on your ZM machine? |
| [15:28:14] | paul-h: | Somehow you need to compile or install mythzmserver on your ZM machine |
| [15:28:40] | qu: | I tried. But there are 35 failed dependeicies for some reason. |
| [15:29:14] | qu: | Anyway, it should at least work in firefox, but plugin problem. |
| [15:31:40] | paul-h: | The firefox problem is a different issue nothing to do with Myth |
| [15:34:12] | paul-h: | mythzmserver is a really simple server that only requires the Mysql client library to work so you should be able to copy the binary from one system to another so long as they are similar OS versions and architectures |
| [15:34:44] | paul-h: | Or just compile it yourself |
| [15:36:10] | paul-h: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythZoneMinder#Co . . . MythZMServer |
| [15:42:01] | paul-h: | qu: Not sure it's still true but it looks like in firefox you need to install the Cambozola plugin |
| [15:42:11] | qu: | I am just so weary of trying to make this work. Two weeks and no progress. |
| [15:42:40] | qu: | I think Cambozola is built in to firefox. |
| [15:43:18] | qu: | I've tried enabling first only ffmpeg and then only cambozola, and restarting zm. |
| [15:43:32] | qu: | both say plugin needed in firefox. |
| [15:44:47] | qu: | I even set up a Xen virtual machine to run Winduhs and Milestone, but could not get the shared disk through to it. |
| [15:49:41] | qu: | mythzmserver on the zm machine says "This version of ZM is to old you need 1.24.0 or later ''" |
| [15:55:05] | qu: | I can't believe nothing describes the video streams and their relation to firefox plugins. I can't swirl myself up into a vortex, cast my mind out and induce the knowlege from the only 3 people who know. |
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| [15:56:44] | paul-h: | OK you should have a config file in /etc/zm.conf do you have a line like ZM_VERSION=1.28.1 if not add it |
| [15:58:36] | paul-h: | The format of the config file has changed in later versions of ZM but mythzmserver still needs the ZM_VERSION to know what version to expect |
| [16:00:22] | qu: | It's in /etc/zm/zm.conf in centos. Your suggestion worked. |
| [16:01:19] | qu: | I don't understand why the centos packages don't do this. No one else must be using them. |
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| [16:04:09] | paul-h: | If you restart mythfrontend do you now see the zoneminder menu entries? |
| [16:05:00] | qu: | I have to get the port over to the other machine, but it doesn't seem to be possible to make mythzmserver listen only on localhost. |
| [16:05:31] | qu: | (I use SSH to set up reverse ssh tunnels, casting ports to other machines) |
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| [16:07:14] | paul-h: | yeah I think you can only change the port it listens on |
| [16:07:40] | qu: | With Myth it's a setting in the database, but there doesn't seem to be such a setting for mythzmserver, a security-oriented application... |
| [16:08:28] | qu: | I'll tunnel the port. |
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| [16:14:58] | qu: | I now have ZM in Myth, but trying Live View does nothing. |
| [16:15:25] | qu: | In Console I see both camera names, but choosing either and <enter> does nothing. |
| [16:16:04] | qu: | Source, Function, and Events are all blank. |
| [16:17:07] | qu: | No errors, but Live View just doesn't work. And no one knows how it actually works. |
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| [16:29:24] | paul-h: | qu: sorry been AFK any errors in the frontend log? |
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| [16:40:21] | qu: | paul-h: Only the usual: N Monitor: frontcam (1) is using 4 bytes per pixel |
| [16:40:21] | qu: | N Monitor: backcam (2) is using 4 bytes per pixel |
| [16:40:21] | qu: | E Theme is missing a critical theme element ('name4–1') |
| [16:42:37] | paul-h: | What theme are you using? mythceneter-wide should work |
| [16:42:56] | paul-h: | mythcenter-wide |
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| [16:44:21] | qu: | For all of Myth? |
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| [16:45:34] | qu: | MythMediaStream Redux. |
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| [16:46:21] | paul-h: | OK it's probably not been updated in a while try switching to MythCenter-wide |
| [16:46:46] | qu: | I have and Myth locks up when I choose CCTV. |
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| [16:47:54] | qu: | Oh, I didn't have the zmserver running. |
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| [16:50:19] | qu: | Whoah, now I have a very slow rendition of the frontcam. |
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| [16:51:24] | qu: | Can't select the backcam though. It has no Source, unlike the frontcam. |
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| [16:53:12] | paul-h: | The '1' key should switch camera's and 'I' will switch layouts to 1,2,4,6 or 8 camera's |
| [16:56:12] | qu: | Indeed, thanks. Although I'm only getting about 1 frame every 2 seconds. |
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| [16:59:23] | paul-h: | What sort of capture card are you using? many frame grabbers can only capture say 25 frames per second and those frames are shared between connected cameras so with two cameras I you can't expect more than 12 frames per second max but 1 frame every 2 seconds is VERY slow! |
| [17:00:29] | qu: | These are IP cameras. 3MP, high rez. |
| [17:01:11] | qu: | Main thing I care about is alerts in zoneminder and use on my phone. |
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| [17:01:40] | qu: | I can get the full 20fps in VNC. |
| [17:02:12] | qu: | Looks like MythMediaCenter theme is busted with ZM. |
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| [17:02:55] | paul-h: | Yeah someone needs to email the theme author to get him/her to update it |
| [17:03:00] | qu: | ZM works with MythCenter but not with MythMediaStream, ironically... |
| [17:03:50] | paul-h: | That is a third party theme and it just needs updating for current Myth versions |
| [17:03:56] | qu: | Well this is encouraging. If only I knew which plugin for firefox. |
| [17:04:10] | qu: | ... or what's wrong with the plugins. |
| [17:04:51] | qu: | For video on the local LAN I can just use VNC for rtsp. |
| [17:05:17] | qu: | But not for the console or broswer viewing. |
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| [17:06:12] | paul-h: | I only used the web interface to set ZM up and rarely use it otherwise – Not sure what changed but it isn't working at all here |
| [17:06:51] | paul-h: | Must not of checked the web interface last time I updated ZM |
| [17:08:57] | qu: | When I try to view live video in Firefox Centos says "zmc killed by SIGSEGV". G**gle's never heard of it... |
| [17:09:58] | qu: | Firefox seems to be murdering the capture daemon. |
| [17:10:39] | qu: | I wonder if selinux could be causing this, even though it's in permissive mode... |
| [17:10:45] | paul-h: | That's not good – what version of ZM are you on? |
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| [17:11:04] | qu: | Doesn't seem to be any way to check. |
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| [17:11:34] | qu: | Oh, zoneminder-1.28.1–2.el7.centos.x86_64 |
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| [17:12:02] | qu: | I'll disable selinux. |
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| [17:27:06] | qu: | Nope, not selinux. |
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| [17:33:40] | paul-h: | A segfault is nearly always a bug due to a coding error – you could try asking in #zoneminder |
| [17:36:02] | paul-h: | Nothing should ever segfault no matter what you do to it so it's definitely a bug of some kind |
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| [17:51:22] | qu: | paul-h: Good point. Nobody's at #zoneminder now. I'll try tomorrow. |
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| [18:06:54] | qu: | In the html: <embed type="video/h264" |
| [18:06:55] | qu: | src="http://localhost/cgi-bin-zm/nph-zms?mode=mpeg . . . 909140" |
| [18:07:13] | qu: | bitrate=150000 is way off. |
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| [18:21:42] | paul-h: | qu: just tried Firefox 36.0.4 with ZM 1.28.1 and it's working OK for me but I'm using a frame grabber |
| [18:26:29] | paul-h: | That uses mode=jpeg rather than mode=mpeg so it's likely doing things differently |
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| [18:27:29] | paul-h: | At least you have made some progress :) |
| [18:27:31] | qu: | I just set it to the low-rez stream (352x240) and same problem. No plugin. The stream is h.264 but there is no such in about:preferences|Applications. |
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| [18:27:58] | qu: | Applications has mpeg and mpeg4, but no h.264. |
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| [18:30:11] | whoDat: | what do i use to create a channels.conf to import into mythtv-setup? |
| [18:30:43] | paul-h: | qu: Can you playback events I think they will use the jpeg mode |
| [18:32:27] | qu: | I can't define any events since I can't get video to define them with. |
| [18:32:54] | qu: | whoDat: azap |
| [18:34:04] | whoDat: | qu: i just came across w_scan. is azap better? |
| [18:34:24] | qu: | azap is what I've always used. |
| [18:35:14] | whoDat: | okay |
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| [18:44:41] | qu: | http://andreasgal.com/2014/10/14/openh264-now-in-firefox/ |
| [18:44:53] | qu: | Firefox currently uses OpenH264 only for WebRTC and not for the <video> tag, because OpenH264 does not yet support the high profile format frequently used for streaming video. We will reconsider this once support has been added. |
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| [19:02:09] | dekarl: | whoDat: channels.conf import worked so bad it got dropped https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f4a19 . . . cbbafa7aa424 |
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| [20:44:14] | naperthrill: | hello |
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| [20:50:50] | naperthrill: | can anyone comment on difference between using hdhomerun vs setting up sickbeard/sabnzbd? |
| [20:51:04] | naperthrill: | is there an advantage disadvantage to one over the other |
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| [20:58:25] | dekarl: | the hdhr works offline and is usually legal to use |
| [20:58:28] | naperthrill: | is there an advantage disadvantage to one over the other |
| [20:58:47] | naperthrill: | oh so you don't have to have a computer on |
| [20:58:49] | naperthrill: | for hdhr? |
| [20:58:59] | dekarl: | it works without internet on |
| [20:59:13] | naperthrill: | oh because it is just grabbing OTA tv right? |
| [20:59:26] | dekarl: | correct, OTA or cable |
| [20:59:34] | naperthrill: | I just cut cable 3 days ago so trying to figure out best set up |
| [21:00:04] | naperthrill: | I have apple tv gen 1, apple tv gen 2, apple tv gen 3, 1 roku, 1 firetv, and 2 xbox one |
| [21:00:11] | naperthrill: | not sure if they can all stream from the same sources |
| [21:00:18] | dekarl: | I hear that in the US going OTA may give you better quality compared to cable |
| [21:00:31] | naperthrill: | I currently have two tv's hooked up to just a coax cable for OTA instead of hd antenna and am getting local channels |
| [21:00:40] | naperthrill: | the quality is def better on the local channels |
| [21:01:17] | naperthrill: | I figure an hdhomerun would help us to just record the desired tv shows we want to watch OTA. i have a huluplus subscription anyways but wife doesn't want to wait 24–48 hours to watch her shows |
| [21:01:49] | naperthrill: | since I cut cable, there would likely be no need for the HDHomerun Prime right? |
| [21:01:55] | dekarl: | yes |
| [21:02:24] | naperthrill: | I was going to get either the hd connect or extend, but I saw something that there is some kickstarter campaign for something to be released in august? |
| [21:02:38] | naperthrill: | is this a new product or can I purchase a homerun extend today without fear? |
| [21:02:48] | naperthrill: | didn't know if I should wait, or if this is merely just software being released |
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| [21:02:51] | dekarl: | thes HDHR Plus may be interesting as it contains hardware to convert the video from MPEG-2 to more efficient MPEG-4 AVC |
| [21:03:17] | naperthrill: | is that what is being released in august? |
| [21:03:31] | dekarl: | I have to look it up, with the names I always get confused about which device is EU / US and for what inputs |
| [21:04:06] | dekarl: | haha "HDHomeRun EXTEND (formerly known as HDHomeRun PLUS)" from https://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/hdhomerun/ |
| [21:04:10] | lautriv: | anyone used to dvb-s budget cards ? i have one re-activated which appears fine in dmeag but backend can't access it ? |
| [21:04:21] | lautriv: | *dmesg |
| [21:05:21] | naperthrill: | do you know if they are releasing new hardware in august or if it just software? |
| [21:05:28] | naperthrill: | if so I will likely get the extend then |
| [21:06:23] | dekarl: | naperthrill: I don't know. But with the hardware codec conversion you can watch livetv on most devices with their apps |
| [21:06:52] | naperthrill: | ok, i think ill invest in an extend then |
| [21:07:04] | naperthrill: | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12753200 . . . -re-imagined |
| [21:07:40] | dekarl: | the EXTEND has been reported to be working well with MythTV. To use the encoding feature you have to set it to default to "on" (or similar) as it is transparent (works without MythTV actually supporting it) |
| [21:10:17] | dekarl: | naperthrill: sounds like a software upgrade |
| [21:10:26] | naperthrill: | i think so as well |
| [21:10:55] | dekarl: | although the "always on PC" that would be needed to match that device can be a Raspberry Pi 2 by now ;) |
| [21:11:24] | dekarl: | and it doesn't have to be "always on" in the first place. shut it down with automatic wake up for recordings and wake on lan for playback |
| [21:12:17] | naperthrill: | also anyone have a table, do you think hdhomerun is better? |
| [21:12:34] | dekarl: | or just throw a DVR on your NAS device, like http://pavion.github.io/tvstreamrecord/ |
| [21:13:21] | naperthrill: | I'm using an old mac pro as a nas device |
| [21:13:27] | naperthrill: | just gets super hot if it is always on |
| [21:13:38] | naperthrill: | so need to figure out a cooling solution, maybe just a fan |
| [21:15:07] | dekarl: | well, then just install the backend on that mac (I have no experience with MythTV on MacOSX, but hear that it works well) |
| [21:15:46] | dekarl: | lautriv: do you have an error message? like "permission denied" or something? |
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| [21:17:44] | lautriv: | dekarl, no, i assumed it may be about device-perms but the only thing i see is "cann't get subdevice" while i was able to set the device once.... most likely some kernel-module issue where i have no idea what is missing. |
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| [21:23:08] | dekarl: | lautriv: but you have /dev/dvb/adapterX/frontendY and so on? |
| [21:24:43] | lautriv: | dekarl, yes, anything in place, dmesg looks fine when i kill mythtv and load modules i can see/use the card for tuning but it refuses on restart and never enables transponders on master |
| [21:28:58] | dekarl: | hmm, sounds like a configuration issue with the modules. And a second issue with the channel scan? Does w_scan find any transport? |
| [21:31:09] | lautriv: | i remember it was some problem with kernel-modules, card worked on another machine but the hdd failed ;( just rebooted to see if i can fake-tune on a new link. |
| [21:33:54] | lautriv: | console : "can't open frontend " aka busy by something else, wrong perms or missing driver |
| [21:34:30] | dekarl: | strange, that's a message from mythtv-setup with no backend running? |
| [21:35:57] | lautriv: | mythtv-setup does not even warn me "backend running, stop or continue" but i found backend runs as mythtv and device is owned by root ..... wasn't there some udev-magic ? |
| [21:38:11] | lautriv: | HA ! another backend has the device in group video, that will matter but i wrote no rule thisfor o.O |
| [21:44:20] | lautriv: | dekarl, i guess i found it, machine with misbehaviour has mounted /dev on /devtmpfs ( from kernel) while the working one doesn't hence the rule to apply on group video comes to late. |
| [21:45:15] | dekarl: | lautriv: I'm not sure I can follow you, but I'm happy if it works now :) |
| [21:46:34] | lautriv: | dekarl, it doesn't work but i'm on the way to change and test it ... recent kernel can have /dev in RAM but that is before udev takes place, hence i assume the setting to group video is to late ... |
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