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| [00:02:17] | k-man: | well, it was built with cec |
| [00:03:36] | k-man: | but iiuc correctly mythtv doesn't make much use of that and you have to resort to scripts to take actions based on key presses? |
| [00:03:40] | k-man: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDMI-CEC |
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| [14:35:30] | usr13: | "ERROR when trying to delete file: GetPlaybackURL" |
| [14:36:08] | usr13: | "File doesn't exist." |
| [14:36:20] | usr13: | Any idea how to fix this? |
| [14:37:43] | usr13: | (Someone the other day said that it looks as though it's "out of sync" but I am not sure what to do to fix. |
| [14:47:06] | buu: | uh |
| [14:47:23] | buu: | As a fairly random guess are you sure your database/backend/frontend are all the same version? |
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| [15:41:04] | bill6502: | usr13: if you read the logs: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_ . . . t_on_disk.3F |
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| [17:22:54] | AnthonyUK: | I've been searching for this and have found no answers. some programs have auto deleted when my hdd filled up. Is there a) a list of auto deleted programs or b) do they just rerecord next time they are shown? |
| [17:24:12] | twiggy2cents: | AnthonyUK, if you have the watch list enabled on your recording screens that is kind of a heads up to what is going to be deleted next |
| [17:25:14] | twiggy2cents: | also if you go into your settings, you can change how long it holds on to auto expired shows and increase it. Then it will remove them from your main screen but you can change your filter and go to deleted files and un delete or watch them there |
| [17:27:07] | AnthonyUK: | cool I'll do that I'd rather nothing new was recorded next time I miss that my hdd's are filling up. it's just one of the great things about MythTV is its ability to not record episodes which you have already recorded in the past. but now some episodes have deleted that I haven't watched yet. |
| [17:28:20] | twiggy2cents: | It should prefer already watched over unwatched. |
| [17:28:26] | twiggy2cents: | If it doesnt, there is a setting for that |
| [17:29:32] | AnthonyUK: | are these settings in mythtv-setup or somewhere in the frontend? |
| [17:30:06] | sphery: | actually, MythTV will never expire shows until you run out of disk space and MythTV is recording something new, at which time it keeps expiring shows until there's room for what it's currently recording |
| [17:30:18] | sphery: | all shows that are expired are automatically deleted and allowed to re-record |
| [17:30:44] | sphery: | which does not mean they will re-record next time they're shown--only that they're allowed to if you have (or create a new) recording rule that will record them |
| [17:31:09] | AnthonyUK: | cool so I do nothing and it will rerecord them. that's what I wanted to know sphery. I was thinking of posting a feature request then :P |
| [17:31:19] | sphery: | there's a setting for MythTV that tells it when to remove from disk Deleted shows |
| [17:31:33] | AnthonyUK: | and thanks twiggycents I'll fiddle with them settings you suggested |
| [17:31:40] | sphery: | (which seems to be what twiggy2cents was referring to) but that only affects shows you've actively deleted |
| [17:32:19] | sphery: | In mythfrontend, there's a System Status screen that has within it Auto-expire List, which shows the "priority" order of auto-expiration |
| [17:32:48] | sphery: | however, MythTV may delete the show that's 100'th priority before the show that's first priority for auto-expire, just based on the fact that it deletes only from full file systems |
| [17:33:03] | AnthonyUK: | I've seen that screen the other day while trying to fix this, wondered exactly what it meant |
| [17:33:33] | sphery: | so if the 1st-prio show is on a relatively empty file system and the 100th prio show (or, even, a show recorded 1 hour earlier) is on a full file system, MythTV wont' be deleting the 1st-prio show |
| [17:34:33] | AnthonyUK: | I would have thought if one of the hdd's / partitions was empty it would just record to there and leave anything on the fuller system alone |
| [17:35:01] | AnthonyUK: | I have had in the recent past 2 hdd's for mythtv recordings and now have added a 3rd |
| [17:35:14] | sphery: | some users have actually configured their systems such that mythtv records to a full file system for basically every recording (through choice of Storage Group Disk Scheduler) and, therefore, all new shows are on the one file system it chooses for most everything, so it's expiringing shows that are a day old and never watched and leaving shows that are 4 years old and watched |
| [17:35:23] | AnthonyUK: | should I start copying and pasting recordings from fuller drives to others so it's balanced? |
| [17:35:37] | sphery: | as far as how mythtv chooses priority for auto-expire, that's a setting |
| [17:36:01] | sphery: | you can choose based on recording priority or age or a combination of the two |
| [17:36:05] | sphery: | I think combo is the default |
| [17:36:42] | AnthonyUK: | I think i have misunderstood for a moment. are you saying a show recorded can be spread across to hdd's/partitions/recording folders? |
| [17:36:42] | sphery: | and, yes, you may move shows from one near-full file system to another |
| [17:37:02] | sphery: | now, all (uninterrupted) recordings are in single files |
| [17:37:05] | sphery: | er, no |
| [17:37:59] | sphery: | note that when you move recordings, there are no changes required in the database--assuming you move them from a file system on the recording host to another file system that the recording host may access |
| [17:38:26] | sphery: | (i.e. don't move them from one host's file system to a different host's, if you don't use network file systems) |
| [17:38:39] | AnthonyUK: | see I deleted what I wanted but it wasn't much so I just added another folder on another drive "Recorded TV 3". and I just left the other 2 HDD's nearly full |
| [17:38:43] | sphery: | and make sure you choose an appropriate Storage Group Disk Scheduler |
| [17:39:10] | AnthonyUK: | I'll have to read up on this storage group disk scheduler thing you have mentioned twice |
| [17:39:39] | sphery: | IMHO, if you have near-full file systems, you should never, ever use "Balanced Free Space" or "Balanced Percent Free Space" |
| [17:40:05] | sphery: | You're better off with "Balanced Disk I/O" or "Combination" (my preference is "Combination") |
| [17:40:08] | sphery: | sett https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#St . . . sk_Scheduler |
| [17:40:12] | sphery: | err, see |
| [17:40:50] | sphery: | AnthonyUK: yeah, that's usually what happens |
| [17:40:52] | AnthonyUK: | in basic terms. all I want to know is. them shows that auto deleted, MythTV will grab them again without me doing out. and since my 2 recording folders are full adding a third on a drive with space will mean nothing more will be auto deleted? |
| [17:41:06] | sphery: | ideally, you'd move some of the shows from Recorded TV 1 & 2 to Recorded TV 3 |
| [17:41:24] | sphery: | so that all file systems have approximately equal available space |
| [17:41:35] | AnthonyUK: | I'll cut and paste the shows next time MythTV isn't recording anything |
| [17:41:51] | AnthonyUK: | balance the drives |
| [17:42:26] | AnthonyUK: | On the plus side I have been using MythTV easily over a year now and though it was hard to get going I'm very happy with it |
| [17:42:34] | sphery: | or, even better, approximately equal distribution of recorded shows based on your auto-expiration priority setting |
| [17:43:09] | sphery: | though, if you have relatively large drives, you probably don't need to worry too much about equalizing based on auto-expiry |
| [17:43:32] | AnthonyUK: | I'm reading this link now. looks straightforward enough |
| [17:43:34] | sphery: | Yeah, it's great--though it's definitely not a "plug and play" DVR :) |
| [17:43:44] | sphery: | great hobby, though--and always more to learn about it :) |
| [17:44:01] | sphery: | moving around your recordings should solve your immediate problem, though |
| [17:44:25] | AnthonyUK: | yeh I second that, I had to sell my tuners and get linux/ubuntu compatible ones. that plus I was new to linux as well but I've slowly been learning that as well |
| [17:44:33] | sphery: | note, too, that you can explicitly delete shows that are scheduled for auto-expiry directly from the System Status|Auto-Expiration screen |
| [17:44:57] | sphery: | I think you hit INFO or MENU (not sure which) and should see an option in the pop-up |
| [17:45:02] | AnthonyUK: | so that show won't auto delete? |
| [17:45:17] | sphery: | it will put it in the deleted recording group |
| [17:45:29] | sphery: | so that when auto-expiry does occur, it will gain priority |
| [17:46:31] | sphery: | or, when your "Time to retain deleted recordings (days)" setting specifies, it will be removed from disk |
| [17:46:42] | sphery: | (where time to retain is in frontend settings) |
| [17:46:54] | AnthonyUK: | hehe I'm gona have to read into this. I never thought my drives filling up would be a problem 2x1TB for DVB-T, so never thought I'd have to worry about auto deletion |
| [17:47:02] | sphery: | auto-expiry will first remove Live TV recordings, then Deleted recordings, then other recordings |
| [17:47:27] | AnthonyUK: | I can't remember how I did it but I just made sure shows didn't auto delete until the drives were short on space |
| [17:47:56] | sphery: | other recordings based on "Auto-expire method" (again in mythfrontend--but, like time to retain, global so no need to set on multiple systems) |
| [17:48:29] | sphery: | method could be "Oldest show first", "Lowest priority first", or "Weighted time/priority combination", where it seems that "Oldest show first" is default |
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| [17:49:04] | sphery: | but that will also be influenced by "Watched before unwatched" setting, which--if enabled--says to expire shows marked as watched before those marked as not watched |
| [17:49:11] | AnthonyUK: | so if I want a show to be deleted before other auto expiry I just go into the auto expire list put some programs in deleted, then when short on space they go first, but after live recordings. have I got that right? |
| [17:49:30] | sphery: | (so it won't expire any show not marked as watched until every show marked as watched is expired, regardless of your auto-expire method) |
| [17:49:42] | sphery: | and, yes, exactly! |
| [17:49:46] | AnthonyUK: | cool |
| [17:50:04] | sphery: | I'm glad you were able to parse my novel to find that :) |
| [17:50:21] | AnthonyUK: | problem is shows I watch I delete myself. I only don't delete them when I wan't to keep them hehe, but that is another issue |
| [17:50:37] | sphery: | unfortunately, it's not an easy-to-understand mechanism, but it's very flexible |
| [17:50:58] | sphery: | if you want to ensure it's not ever deleted, make sure you mark it to disallow auto-expiration |
| [17:51:06] | AnthonyUK: | k |
| [17:51:39] | sphery: | and, if you use "Record new and delete old" with "Max episodes" for the recording rule, you'll also have to mark it ... |
| [17:51:44] | sphery: | can't think of the wording |
| [17:52:05] | AnthonyUK: | I never set the max episodes |
| [17:52:19] | sphery: | "preserve" |
| [17:52:25] | sphery: | "Preserve this episode" :) |
| [17:52:33] | sphery: | ok, then you won't need to worry about that one |
| [17:52:45] | AnthonyUK: | still another nice feature |
| [17:52:59] | sphery: | you can disable auto-expire on a rule (if you want to never lose any episodes of a show, other than through manual deletion) |
| [17:53:45] | sphery: | or on an episode-by-episode basis, in Watch Recordings via MENU|Storage Options|Disable Auto Expire |
| [17:54:08] | sphery: | but don't do it for all recordings or when mythtv runs out of space, bad things happen :) |
| [17:54:28] | AnthonyUK: | it tries to record on a full drive? |
| [17:54:39] | sphery: | (and, really, don't do it for all recordings on a given file system--because running out of space on any file system with no shows to expire is the bad thing) |
| [17:54:56] | sphery: | it tries to record to the drive your Storage Group Disk Scheduler tells it to use :) |
| [17:55:35] | sphery: | if you select Balanced Free Space, it will record to the drive with the most free space |
| [17:55:40] | AnthonyUK: | the drive filling up is a problem of my own making, I've been watching shows from other sources, and not as much time on what I record. But I'm back into both now |
| [17:55:54] | AnthonyUK: | I think balanced free space is the one for me |
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| [17:56:32] | sphery: | but when you fill up all your drives, you may have a 1GB value for "Extra disk space (GB)" and all your drives have just over 1GB |
| [17:57:08] | sphery: | so one of them has the most--let's say 1.15, when the others are 1.12 and 1.03--so MythTV will record to the one with 1.15GB free |
| [17:57:26] | sphery: | then it will record .15GB and get to the 1GB extra disk space limit, so it starts to expire shows |
| [17:57:37] | sphery: | it keeps expiring to make room for the current show |
| [17:58:04] | sphery: | the likelihood that the current show's recording will be exactly the same size as the recordings it removes is almost 0 |
| [17:58:28] | sphery: | the chance that the recordings removed will be larger than the space just used for this recording is very high |
| [17:58:48] | sphery: | meaning that that file system will still have the most free space available after this recording completes so it will be used for the next |
| [17:58:59] | sphery: | at which point the system starts to expire new shows |
| [17:59:15] | sphery: | and deletes slightly more than it uses for the recording |
| [17:59:19] | sphery: | meaning it has the most free space... |
| [17:59:28] | sphery: | and then before long that file system has all your new recordings |
| [17:59:33] | sphery: | and is the only file system being used |
| [17:59:45] | sphery: | for new recordings, so the only one from which recordings are expired |
| [18:00:09] | sphery: | and your ancient shows you don't care about (and may have watched) aren't being expired and new ones you haven't watched are being expired |
| [18:00:25] | sphery: | and you think your system is broken, but it's doing exactly what you said |
| [18:00:40] | AnthonyUK: | it sounds like a computers headache |
| [18:00:40] | sphery: | even though you configured a feedback loop that makes it do exactly what you don't want :) |
| [18:00:48] | sphery: | this is why I highly recommend combination |
| [18:01:15] | sphery: | it will never get you in that state--whether you have 0, 1, ..., or all file systems full |
| [18:01:35] | sphery: | and, it's easy enough to move recordings yourself to balance them out across new file systems |
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| [18:01:57] | AnthonyUK: | yeh you just copy and paste them. |
| [18:02:01] | AnthonyUK: | cut rather* |
| [18:02:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:02:29] | AnthonyUK: | I just do it when nothing is scheduled to record that way I haven't accidently tried to move a show that is recording |
| [18:02:40] | sphery: | or you can do it with a command-line tool (i.e. rsync--which even allows setting a bandwidth limit, so you don't take up all your I/O) |
| [18:03:39] | sphery: | something like: sudo rsync -av --progress /path/to/recordings/directory/1021_20150525200000.mpg /path/to/empty/recordings/directory/ |
| [18:03:50] | AnthonyUK: | I never thought of that, I've just set a huge cut and paste and assumed that if a show started recording on the emptier drive I'm pasting too it would just handle it |
| [18:04:02] | sphery: | and --bwlimit 800 would make an 800kB/s bw limit |
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| [18:04:38] | sphery: | or you could use globs (like /path/to/recordings/directory/1021_2013* ) to get many |
| [18:04:55] | sphery: | or even a file list |
| [18:05:39] | sphery: | with --files-from |
| [18:06:08] | sphery: | oh, guess it's --bwlimit=800 (long opts :) |
| [18:06:48] | sphery: | with --files-from it's easy to get a specific list of files, even if it's hard to glob or regexp the list you want |
| [18:07:28] | sphery: | just make sure that the file system permisions and ownership are correct after the move, too--otherwise MythTV may not be able to delete the files (which can cause problems if your file system fills :) |
| [18:08:20] | AnthonyUK: | not a prob I learnt how to set ownership and groups recursively a while back :P |
| [18:08:27] | sphery: | that's good |
| [18:08:37] | AnthonyUK: | not that you need recursive for a mythtv recordings folder |
| [18:08:38] | sphery: | rsync -av will set them for you, assuming you have permissions |
| [18:08:43] | sphery: | (thus the sudo) |
| [18:08:56] | sphery: | true |
| [18:09:03] | sphery: | anyway, have fun |
| [18:09:15] | sphery: | hope the discussion was helpful--and not too much info |
| [18:09:29] | AnthonyUK: | will do and it's been a while since I been in here I'll have to copy and paste it and save it in a text file hehe |
| [18:09:57] | AnthonyUK: | I have missed some things but I'd rather have all this info than not have it :), hence the saving |
| [18:10:46] | AnthonyUK: | I have a suggestion I've been meaning to get around to posting but don't think this is the place. do I go the forums? |
| [18:10:55] | AnthonyUK: | or can it be done in the developers channel? |
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| [18:12:33] | sphery: | AnthonyUK: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2015-05-26:17:22:00 |
| [18:13:02] | sphery: | for the log of this conversation |
| [18:13:17] | AnthonyUK: | thanks was just trying to copy while scrolling down and it wasn't happening |
| [18:13:52] | sphery: | The forums are a good place for feature requests/suggestions |
| [18:14:03] | sphery: | you can also post to the -users list |
| [18:14:07] | AnthonyUK: | cool I'll go there I think I got a good one. |
| [18:14:27] | sphery: | but https://forum.mythtv.org/viewforum.php?f=9 ("Wishlist/Feature Suggestions" forum) may be the best place |
| [18:14:36] | sphery: | what, specifically, were you thinking of |
| [18:14:53] | sphery: | I may know if anyone is working/plans to work on it |
| [18:15:03] | AnthonyUK: | one second gonna open mythtv make sure I get all the names right |
| [18:15:24] | sphery: | fwiw, I have plans to fix up a lot of the stuff that we just talked about |
| [18:15:42] | sphery: | like automatic moving of recordings to balance storage |
| [18:16:32] | sphery: | allowing choice of Storage Group directory to be influenced by auto-expire priority |
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| [18:17:12] | AnthonyUK: | IRC saved, that will be nice when you do it, but mine is more a time saving feature. brb |
| [18:17:17] | sphery: | and more |
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| [18:28:21] | AnthonyUK: | When I schedule recordings I like to go though every program in the list so as I'm sure not to miss a great show that is about to show it's first episode, sure using program guide, program finder and search words is great for one show you know the time, channel or name for-But I end up always using search lists. and I have to go through every category, I can save a lot of time once in that category by hitting the m key and sort by t |
| [18:28:27] | AnthonyUK: | What I think could save time if there were a way to eliminate results like be able to add string of words like you would for a power search recording. or just right click and remove that program. |
| [18:28:32] | AnthonyUK: | every week I do a complete search of programs by list and it takes time. and time and time again I'm going through loads of shows I have seen before and don't want on the list like, Coronation Street, Eastenders, Come Dine with me, Britains Got Talent, ect, ect, ect, ect you get the idea. |
| [18:30:14] | AnthonyUK: | In short it would be great if you could right click results and select either, (hate, seen before, not now but maybe might watch in the future) |
| [18:31:06] | AnthonyUK: | then in future program list searches there would be alot less results like 80% at least and hence alot shorter |
| [18:31:12] | AnthonyUK: | searching for new programs |
| [18:31:41] | AnthonyUK: | should I defo post it? even better has someone else already suggested it and it's in the pipeline? |
| [18:32:15] | AnthonyUK: | or is it one of these things that you think is a good idea but doesn't really work in a practical situation :P |
| [18:36:16] | sphery: | I don't think anyone is doing anything like that |
| [18:36:48] | AnthonyUK: | I know you can't do a feature just cos one guy would use it. do you think enough people would use it to justify it |
| [18:36:52] | sphery: | I find new shows using the "New episodes" custom rule (slightly modified to include any show with the word Pilot in its sub/episode title) |
| [18:37:17] | sphery: | and the rule is marked inactive, so they show up on my Upcoming Recordings list, but won't actually record until I make a rule for them |
| [18:37:41] | sphery: | unfortunately that mechanism is somewhat dependent on Schedules Direct data, so not too useful for UK users |
| [18:37:55] | sphery: | (you won't have the right program IDs, which basically tell us when it's a new show) |
| [18:37:56] | AnthonyUK: | somet is up with the UK DVB guide, I know you guys can't do out about how the eit is broadcast but new shows don't always find everything. |
| [18:38:19] | sphery: | For non-NA users, the "New titles" search is designed to show you anything that hasn't aired in the last 11 months |
| [18:38:29] | sphery: | (assuming you've been running MythTV for at least 11 months) |
| [18:39:01] | sphery: | it's 11 months so that it should exclude any shows that have yearly seasons ("series" :) |
| [18:39:09] | AnthonyUK: | and I'm not really a "Arts/Culture" kinda guy but I find programs that you wouldn't think have been in there |
| [18:39:27] | sphery: | but will not exclude holiday specials (so you can see "A Charlie Brown Christmas" in the results every year) |
| [18:40:12] | sphery: | but it is dependent on titles--so a re-imagining of, for example, Battlestar Galactica, wouldn't have shown up if any BSG re-runs had shown in the last 11 months |
| [18:40:20] | sphery: | still might be a useful thing to check |
| [18:40:25] | AnthonyUK: | I'll start trying "New titles" again. I just gave up on it but like you say back when I gave up on it I had been using MythTV for 2 months |
| [18:40:42] | sphery: | ah, yeah, wouldn't be too useful at that point :) |
| [18:40:54] | AnthonyUK: | I didn't know that, I just thought you hit that for new shows |
| [18:41:04] | sphery: | also, if your guide data provider changes titles, it can be thrown off |
| [18:41:43] | sphery: | probably not nearly as fail-proof as your method, but should help find the majority of them |
| [18:41:47] | AnthonyUK: | I'll do a search again now so I have fresh examples in my mind |
| [18:42:05] | sphery: | but something like you mentioned could be useful, too--just something for the interim |
| [18:42:39] | AnthonyUK: | I'll put all my notes in a text file, condense my points as best I can and make it simpler to understand, then I'll post it on the forums |
| [18:44:42] | AnthonyUK: | This is why I say the UK DVB-T categorys are goosed, I searched Lists -> Arts/Culture 8 results, one of them is the devolpment of the Hawker Hunter Jet Fighter.... |
| [18:46:20] | sphery: | hehe |
| [18:46:33] | sphery: | some might claim it's a work of art :) |
| [18:47:08] | AnthonyUK: | 8 results is kind but some categories are 1000's and I have to go through them all, otherwise I'll miss something. |
| [18:47:32] | AnthonyUK: | I'm gona record that program as I have never heard of that particular jet aircraft. |
| [18:47:48] | AnthonyUK: | but would have missed it if I hadn't of searched Arts/Culture |
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| [19:44:40] | AnthonyUK: | Right I better go, thanks for all your helps sphery and twiggy2cents |
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