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| [10:30:55] | jarnos: | I can use use Mythweb even if I have set loopback (127.*) IP for the backend in backend settings. Why can't I use a frontend in a separate machine that way? |
| [10:31:53] | buu: | Because its not listening on a remote ip? |
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| [10:45:45] | jarnos: | buu, both machines are in the same local network. I use proper IP in frontend settings. |
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| [10:52:46] | dekarl-work: | jarnos, just configure your webserver to listen to 127.0.0.1 only and you have replicated the behaviour with mythweb ;) |
| [10:57:28] | dekarl-work: | alernatively you can configure your database and backend to listen to the proper ip and set it as backend address, master backend address and database address |
| [11:07:03] | stuartm: | jarnos: the loopback address isn't accessible from any other machine other than itself, not even a machine on the same network can access a server listening on the loopback address |
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| [11:24:49] | jarnos: | dekarl-work, which webserver? |
| [11:29:31] | jarnos: | stuartm, then how can Mythweb work with same setting? |
| [11:37:53] | dekarl-work: | jarnos, mythweb is running locally on the backend and can use the loopback address. the webserver that hosts mythweb listens on all interfaces is can be accessed from your network |
| [11:38:41] | dekarl-work: | if you configure mythtv+mysql+the mythweb webserver identially wrt the network interface, then they will act alike |
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| [11:39:27] | dekarl-work: | it appears as if currently the mythweb webserver is listening on more interfaces (your local network) then mythtv(and mysql?) which appers to only listen on the loopback interface |
| [11:42:09] | stuartm: | jarnos: mythweb isn't served by the backend, it's served by apache |
| [11:42:38] | stuartm: | although in 0.28 all that changes |
| [11:56:08] | jarnos: | stuartm, do you mean you can't use mythweb in local network after that, if the backend is configured with the loopback address? |
| [11:56:21] | stuartm: | yes |
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| [12:13:07] | buu: | This is the world's most confusing conversation |
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| [12:45:33] | stuartm: | there does seem to be some misunderstanding about what the loopback address means |
| [12:59:50] | buu: | stuartm: Its like this fundamental concept that can't be explained. |
| [13:07:52] | stuartm: | :) |
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| [14:58:27] | ** jarnos meanwhile having confusing time setting up ** | |
| [14:59:40] | ** jarnos playback right way in right video mode using an external PAL mode widescreen CRT TV. ** | |
| [15:00:33] | ** jarnos propably partly thanks to broken graphics driver. ** | |
| [15:38:30] | stuartm: | most graphics card manufacturers no longer consider s-video etc a high priority, everything is Digital these days, HDMI or DVI to LCD panels which support EDID and HD resolutions |
| [15:42:23] | justinh: | good grief I thought I was the last mythtv user to ditch CRT |
| [15:43:19] | justinh: | jarnos: FWIW you're not likely to get a widescreen mode working with any nvidia card using svideo. Their CRT TV modes only support 4:3 aspect resolutions |
| [15:43:39] | justinh: | and they don't let you use custom modes for CRT TV output either |
| [15:44:16] | clever: | about all i can see working, is to make myth squish the 16:9 down to 4:3, so the tv re-stretches it, but then themes will be off |
| [15:44:56] | justinh: | so use whatever 4:3 mode fills the screen best (nvidia's overscan adjustment sucks compared to ATI's), tweak it with nvidia-settings to fill the screen best – then make myth squish a 16:9 theme to 4:3 |
| [15:45:21] | justinh: | so like clever says the TV can unsquish it again. Sucks, but that's about the only way. It's what I used to have to do |
| [15:46:29] | justinh: | it wasn't too bad when nvidia still supported custom DPI settings, but when using the CRT TV output it seemed to ignore those after some driver release or other |
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| [15:48:23] | justinh: | not that it really makes much difference to how it will look over svideo anyway. A true 16:9 rsolution encoded bythe TV encoder on the GPU vs anamorphic svideo output.. meh |
| [15:49:15] | justinh: | as clever says you'll probably bump into issues where some text fields are either too short (with inexplicable space around them), or they don't show at all |
| [15:50:02] | justinh: | don't think anybody making 16:9 themes bothers testing them at 4:3 aspects anymore |
| [15:50:30] | justinh: | whatever. a 16:9 theme with fields truncated still looks better than a stretched 4:3 theme :-) |
| [15:53:07] | justinh: | for video playback settings in mythtv.. you might have to set it 'forced' to 4:3 aspect for it to look right on a 16:9 TV |
| [15:53:16] | clever: | i didnt think myth could even squish a 16:9 theme to 4:3, would the circles still come out round?? |
| [15:53:41] | justinh: | yup |
| [15:53:59] | justinh: | everything gets squished & the display unsquishes it |
| [15:54:38] | justinh: | unless the UI painter doesn't turn all the vectors into bitmaps anymore that is |
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| [15:55:54] | justinh: | if it's not doing that anymore (prolly more effecient not to these days), yep it'll be awful. |
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| [18:35:49] | jarnos: | stuartm, maybe so, but one would wish drivers were mature already for such hardware. |
| [18:36:40] | jarnos: | justinh, I am using Intel graphics. |
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| [18:46:04] | jarnos: | justinh, I have more issues with video playback than with GUI. |
| [18:49:47] | jarnos: | My first try was to use --fb and --scale-from for xrandr, but it didn't work out with playback no matter how I tweaked frontend settings (which didn't seem to work intuitively). |
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| [18:53:52] | stuartm: | jarnos: they were mature, they worked well, but then companies either stopped maintaining them or even stripped the capability from the driver |
| [18:55:07] | stuartm: | we all used 'tv out' on graphics cards a few years ago, back then there were few MythTV users doing anything except PAL/NTSC over component or s-video to a CRT |
| [18:55:17] | stuartm: | these days it's very rare |
| [19:06:19] | jarnos: | Second try was to use force aspect ratio in Appearance > Video Mode Settings and force 16:9 aspect ratio there. |
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| [19:07:50] | justinh: | jarnos: oh Intel are even worse than nvidia. You won't get intel to do a 16:9 aspect mode with their TV output either. Been there |
| [19:08:45] | justinh: | I wasn't keen on getting rid of a perfectly working TV just to make mythtv life easier but I'm glad I did |
| [19:09:23] | justinh: | and now it's mounted on the wall we don't have to clean dirty handprints off the screen every 5 minutes |
| [19:10:30] | jarnos: | justinh, I can make 16:9 mode work by xrandr in general, except with mythtv frontend. |
| [19:11:40] | justinh: | how do you mean? just set the mode, then start mythfrontend |
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| [19:13:09] | jarnos: | Third try was to adjust General Playback (2/8) settings, particularly Horizontal scaling and Zoom. |
| [19:13:37] | jarnos: | justinh, let me try to explain. |
| [19:13:47] | justinh: | no point doing that if you change the mode after starting mythfrontend |
| [19:14:33] | jarnos: | justinh, I used xrandr before starting the frontend. |
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| [19:22:16] | jarnos_: | So, I have set things by xrandr so that aspect ratio is ok in e.g. web browser. Then I start mythfrotend. GUI displays fine (Mythbuntu theme). |
| [19:23:16] | jarnos_: | I have set H.Fill in Zoom setting (in Playback settings) |
| [19:24:21] | jarnos_: | Sorry, V.Fill. |
| [19:25:27] | jarnos_: | But screen is only partially filled vertically by video. Some parts of screen are blue. |
| [19:27:35] | jarnos_: | That is, the lower part of screen id blue, except black borders. |
| [19:30:23] | jarnos_: | It seems like the framebuffer resolution video is displayed on screen and no scaling is performed. |
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| [19:34:23] | jarnos_: | I mean the scaling set up by xrandr --fb --scale-from --mode. |
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| [19:38:21] | jarnos_: | Luckily I can playback using Mythweb & VLC with the hardware properly. |
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| [19:45:50] | justinh: | when I had an intel based frontend it was all great for a long time, then drivers changed & things went badly wrong. I ended up putting a nvidia card in the box on an AGP ribbon cable riser thing |
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| [20:04:12] | jarnos_: | justinh, well, maybe I'll end up removing Mythfrontend. |
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| [20:21:21] | jarnos_: | justinh, just that pausing long time with Mythweb doesn't work. |
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