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Wednesday, October 29th, 2014, 00:06 UTC

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dym:

Hey! We're sporting german cable tv at our new place and im looking for a dvr system that can accomplish the following: a centralised DVR server where recordings can be scheduled, tv clients at each tv in the house that can access the live-tv from the servers capture card, and play the scheduled recordings stored on the server machine. is mythtv the software of choice?

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monkeyjoe:

running top on a myth frontend only I have a constant "wait" of 10->30%. I cannot figure out what is writing to disk

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monkeyjoe:

could that wait be something other than writing to disk "wait"

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dekarl:

dym: yes, some competitors, too. best overview is likely the kodi pvr discussions

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dekarl:

e.g. http://kodi.wiki/view/PVR/Backend

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dekarl:

you may be limited to unecrypted services depending on you provider. (mythtv supports dvb-ci, but not dvb-ci+ as far as i know)

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CCFL_Man:

the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250 does not work in mythtv according to linuxtv.org

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: get a HDHomerun

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Roklobsta:

off ebay

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: i have one, but i wanted to use a tuner card

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Roklobsta:

these days USB widgets are your best bet

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CCFL_Man:

but they don't fit nicely in my set top box case

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Roklobsta:

hammer

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Roklobsta:

drill

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Roklobsta:

pliers

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CCFL_Man:

and nice jacks on the back

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CCFL_Man:

maybe i won't have issue

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CCFL_Man:

i need to figure out why the backend crashes

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CCFL_Man:

http://www.settoplinux.org/index.php?title=RCA_RM4100 <--i wonder how well this will work as a frontend

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CCFL_Man:

i wanted to use it as a frontend stb years ago

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CCFL_Man:

only has 128mb ram, 733MHz celeron

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CCFL_Man:

hd mpeg2 might stress it

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dekarl:

CCFL_Man: just use a mythtv version and video standard of the same vintage (nice way of saying forget it ;)

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CCFL_Man:

ahh

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CCFL_Man:

all my sources are mpeg2

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CCFL_Man:

what is wrong with the mythtv site?

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CCFL_Man:

popcorn hour does not support m3u8

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CCFL_Man:

i'm going to sell the damn thing

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CCFL_Man:

it's useless

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dym:

dekarl1: mhh – but there is no more analogue cable tv over here afaik

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dym:

you can receive digital cable freely

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dekarl1 is now known as dekarl

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dekarl:

dym, which cable company is this about?

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dekarl:

usually analogue is still strong due to law and elderly people

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dekarl:

the free receiption also is required by contracts and various depending on your provider

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dym:

dekarl: Unitymedia

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dekarl:

dym: which state?

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dym:

dekarl: ah, you're german too :)

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dym:

Northrhine-Westfalia

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dekarl:

aye, I get their service forced on me by my landlord

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dym:

well – our copper cable internet uplink is very weak here.

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dym:

so im looking forward to new cabling

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dekarl:

http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/den_Teufel_mit_ . . . b_austreiben ...

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dym:

:D

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dym:

doubt it

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dym:

they're digging new cabling especially for our house

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dym:

i have a central homeserver which i want to function as main TV reception device

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Roklobsta:

just so you can see reruns of Kentucky Schreit Ficken.

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dekarl:

that's an appartment house? they pay quite good to your landlord for that privilegue

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dym:

dekarl: Doppelhaushälfte.

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dym:

dekarl: i know the exact pricing, since i was in charge of getting this sorted.

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dekarl:

oh, so you pay quite good to them :) (a buddy inquired their prices and decided against it ;)

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dym:

well~ ~400€ for the setup

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dym:

+ standard cabling charge

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dym:

i consider that cheap

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dekarl:

I heard a 4 digit quote

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dym:

wlel

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dym:

it depends how far off your building is

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dym:

from the next cabling intersection

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dym:

and since our neighbour building already has cable...

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dym:

:)

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dym:

so would that be possible? i have one central reception device and 3 tv's streaming desired channels?

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dekarl:

you will get 2–4 free HD channels (plus lots of free HD shopping channels) and a bucketload of free SD channels.

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dym:

that's allright

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dekarl:

Getting the rest depends on your contract and how they they protect their service / content

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dekarl:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Progra . . . ia-Plattform

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dym:

dekarl: what would i need on the server? a triple cable tuner?

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dym:

or even quadruple?

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dekarl:

their EIT data is crap, but its ok if augmented with xmltv.se data

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dekarl:

it depends, what OS do you intend to run? MacOSX? Linux?

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dym:

Linux

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dym:

Ubuntu/Debian

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dym:

(VM)

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dekarl:

umm, insert rant about VM here. Then I'd look into a network attached tuner

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dekarl:

e.g. the 4 Tuner HDHR

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dekarl:

If someone comes up with a recorder for the Fritz DVB-C repeater that might be an option, too. But information is sparse

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dym:

mhhh

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dym:

what would be the safest way?

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dekarl:

there is one success report for the HDHR3–4DC at http://www.silicondust.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17728

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dym:

ah

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dym:

So this is a soley network attached tuner?

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dym:

which also removes the computing work from the mythtv backend host

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dym:

?

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dekarl:

yes, no

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dym:

"

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dym:

http://www.hdhomerun.net/order.aspx

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dym:

First one, right?

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dym:

oh

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dym:

there are rack versions?

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dym:

okay 2k – they're out :D

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dym:

And to get back to mythtv – i could then have clients like raspberry pi on the tv's that run mythtv and connect to the mythtv server to either watch recordings, or live tv channels? or am i thinking wrong?

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dekarl:

no, Raspberry and similar is not supported

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dym:

suitable clients?

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dekarl:

I hear intel nuc a lot lately, but really don't know

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dekarl:

if its just for watching recordings any upnp client can do too

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Roklobsta:

the only device with good deinterlacing is nvidia chips with VDPAU

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dekarl:

livetv via upnp is on "the list" ;)

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Roklobsta:

you can use XBMC to watch myth

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dekarl:

true, see the link I posted earlier (5 hours ago ;)

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dekarl:

bbl

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dym:

oh

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dym:

so then again raspberry pi will do fine

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dym:

aka raspbmc

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Roklobsta:

try it out, it might choke on HDTV

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Roklobsta:

but XBMC speaks MythTV

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dym:

And HDHR3–4DC-HDH/S is the recommended HW?

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Roklobsta:

http://kodi.wiki/view/MythTV

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dekarl:

dym, just watch it (xbmc with pvr on raspberry) on youtube and decide yourself... might as well just use the UPNP function of your TV, which is why I suggested it in the first place.

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Roklobsta:

smarttv – dont' make me laugh

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dekarl:

I'd love to reply with "XBMC on Raspberry, don't make me laugh" but you're gone...

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dekarl:

dym, either way. MythTV works best with the real frontend on hardware with a bit more power.

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dekarl:

maybe this helps? https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware

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dym:

dekarl: ordered the HDHR3–4DC-HDH/S

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dym:

dekarl: im considering something 19" short-scale

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dym:

okay, so Core 2 or > 3GHz

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dekarl:

I just saw the page was last updated 2012, oh well

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dym:

Most of the clients will be connected via the house-internal Wifi

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dekarl:

wifi for multiple concurrent HD streams might take a bit of optimization until it works rock-solid...

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dym:

there will be at maximum one HD stream

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dym:

and maybe one SD tv stream

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dym:

parallel

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dym:

plus maybe one recording on the local unit

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dekarl:

something like this and some cable ties? http://www.elektrofachmarkt-online.de/Media/Shop/790304.jpg

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dym:

for what? :D

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dekarl:

(13:21:47) dym: dekarl: im considering something 19" short-scale

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dekarl:

mount the HDHR to your cabling rack

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dym:

dekarl: i meant the server hardware for the independant mythtv machine

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dym:

that's the current state: https://www.dropbox.com/s/arb3stjbtckn97r/201 . . . .48.jpg?dl=0

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dym:

i could fit another 1 or 2 short scale 19" machines into it

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dym:

Or am i getting you wrong

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dym:

can the backend actually be a virtual machine with a bit less power?

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dym:

or did you mean the backend had to be better powered than a vm?

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dym:

(afk for a bit – still reading when i get back)

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dekarl:

dym, virtual machines and pci/usb drivers don't go together well

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dym:

dekarl: the tuner is a network tuner, no?

[12:59:51]

dekarl:

multi-tuner devices and drivers don't go well either (usually locking issues of shared ressources that mythtv will trigger with constant channel changing for the active eit scan, while other uses will not trigger them)

[13:00:03]

dekarl:

aye, the HDHR is a network tuner

[13:00:25]

dekarl:

I recommended it because it avoids both issues

[13:00:40]

dym:

dekarl: so with the HDHR a VM would be an option?

[13:01:01]

dym:

thing is: i can always just slap another machine into the rack if needed. Since the tuner is independent.

[13:01:15]

dekarl:

I'm not sure why you want the VM, but if you must use a VM then a network tuner is strongly recommended :)

[13:01:36]

dym:

dekarl: well – so i dont need to deploy another machine that eats power :)

[13:01:43]

dekarl:

you could just run mythtv in a container as well

[13:02:02]

dym:

dekarl: are you around tonight?

[13:02:09]

dekarl:

I hope so

[13:02:16]

dym:

im kinda on the run but think we are misunderstanding each other

[13:02:21]

dym:

care to talk later?

[13:02:56]

dekarl:

sure, there are others around with more experience in running mythtv on a not-dedicated-box, too

[13:03:04]

dym:

okay, cool.

[13:03:19]

dym:

I ordered the HDHR network tuner anyways

[13:03:27]

dym:

so we'll see where we go from here.

[13:03:33]

dym:

have a nice day!

[13:03:36]

dym:

and thanks.

[13:03:47]

dekarl:

you too

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Korny1:

for user jobs is %title% the name of the show and %subtitle% the name of the epsiode?

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lomion0815:

Depends on what your EIT-data but if the parsing works it is that way

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Korny1:

I'm using schedules direct for US cable/OTA

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Korny1:

And always filter to only identifiable episodes

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dekarl:

Korny1: subtitle always refers to the episode title. But depending on your guide provider it will contain all kinds of other stuff

[15:06:34]

dekarl:

fixing the terminology is on my list

[15:07:24]

dekarl:

For SD I think its like you say, as it was modeled after them. But hailing from europe I've never really looked at their data.

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Korny1:

I'm just trying to play with a shell script that copys the file to an external directory so I can archive it. %dir% and %file% work great. Frankly my biggest issue is I want to copy the file to a directory name using the %title% variable. But I suck as shell scripts and spaces are the death of me lol

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dekarl:

"%title%"?

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dekarl:

or "$1"

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dekarl:

or just use an existing script :) https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py

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Korny1:

I like to cause myself pain, my biggest program is I pay to much attention to color coding with shell scripts instead of actually looking at what its going to output

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Korny1:

I'm also trying to revive an old shell script of mine that i wrote for sagetv. Seeing how much I forgot in 4 years :/

[15:36:50]

Korny1:

and I think I got it working, other then using the absolutely wrong canidiate for a first test run(no subtitle) its working good

[15:43:13]

Korny1:

Also do mythcomflag jobs count toward the total number of jobs on the backend?

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dym:

Good evening! :)

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** dym pokes dekarl **

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dekarl:

baby duty, the others know, too :D

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dekarl:

(just shoot, but i'm in'n'out all the time)

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tgm4883:

Has anyone setup mythtv backend to listen on multiple IP addresses?

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tgm4883:

eg. NIC aliases

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dym:

all good :D

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dym:

dekarl: just wanted to know when using said network tuner, how "big" does the mythtv backend machine still have to be?

[20:03:32]

Roklobsta:

hmmm, did someone fix the 100%CPU MFE bug?

[20:06:16]

dekarl:

dym, an episode of castle is about 2GB in SD with 10 minutes start-early and end-late (around 80 minutes total). So for 1000 episodes of TV you'd need around 2TB + 250MB database (mostly seektable for faster seeking)

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dekarl:

then you want some memory for the backend, mine currently has 100MB resident with 1700MB virtual with only one tuner

[20:08:17]

dekarl:

so if you got a central service box just give it a corner

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dym:

okay, storage is not the problem

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dym:

but CPU/mem wise

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Korny1:

meh

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Korny1:

I have an i3 with 16 gigs of ram, the i3 never even reacts even with 4 streams getting commercial flagged

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dekarl:

one thing to keep an eye out for is that 4 physical tuners allow you to record around 8–12 services at the same time, so you need a disk for 12 recording streams and 12 seektable update streams to the database

[20:10:27]

Korny1:

I've done up to 8 recordings at 1 time without much of a hickup and serving 4 machines

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dym:

okay

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dekarl:

but then again your problem will likely be the database and recordings sharing a disk if neither the database nor the filesystem has been optimized for that workload

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dym:

dekarl: is the tuner 4 x psysical?

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dym:

it only has one cable uplink

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Korny1:

I also have 4 hard drives for Mythtv dedicated so that helps :)

[20:11:33]

dekarl:

dym, yes, you get 4 tuners for unencrypted DVB-C

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dym:

with one "cable cable"?

[20:11:53]

dekarl:

yes

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dym:

oh, okay

[20:12:04]

dym:

does it split the signal internally?

[20:12:10]

dym:

dekarl: is there a preferred filesystem configuration?

[20:12:29]

dekarl:

dym, it depends. what OS does your central server run?

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dym:

Ubuntu

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dekarl:

a common configuration is to have each recording disk with its own filesystem and let mythtv take care of joining multiple disks into one big TV archive

[20:15:03]

Korny1:

That is what I'm doing, works great for load distribution for recordings/playback.

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dekarl:

there is one configuration to avoid (which I can't say right now, didn't find it) that has issues with the same file being written to and read from at the same time. aka starting to watch a show while it is still being recorded

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dekarl:

dym, unless you want to transcode the video there isn't much that will use lots of CPU

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dym:

so no preconfigured raids?

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dym:

like 5 or 10?

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dekarl:

most people protect just the OS/database and risk losing a disk full of recordings (its just TV)

[20:19:40]

dekarl:

if you got a big raid box with dozens of disks you can just put mythtv in a corner of that, no need to add additional storage though

[20:20:08]

dym:

well

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dym:

i have this homeserver which i was also planning to use for mythtv

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dym:

i might just wait for the tuner and try to slap mythtv onto a VM and see how that goes.

[20:20:39]

dym:

theres a fairly spacey raid in there.

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dym:

if things go downwards, i can just move it to another box

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dekarl:

you can just add the mythtv-update repo from mythbuntu http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos and be up and running in like 15 minutes (once you got all the parts figured out, e.g. adjust the timeout like mentioned in the success report)

[20:22:07]

dekarl:

I'd leave the VM away. moving mythtv to another box is not so hard

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dekarl:

https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration

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Korny1:

I broke project-x ugggg I hate java

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tgm4883:

I used to store all my recordings on my NAS

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tgm4883:

I've since just moved to a 1TB drive

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Roklobsta:

backend is easy. backup sql on old machine, restore sql on new machine

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tgm4883:

*keep hostnames the same*

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tgm4883:

that isn't required, but makes things a little easier

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dekarl:

dym, the part to prepare is to make the backend listen on the network and what remote frontends you want to attach with which remotes

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dekarl:

there's anything from "just setup mythbuntu clients" to "netboot frontend images" e.g. http://minimyth2.linuxd.org/

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dekarl:

the latter takes care of finding the proper video drivers to support the various integrated small systems (NUC/ION/APU)

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dym:

that wont be a problem

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dekarl:

oh and there is "use your TV's UPNP function" and "use XBMC's PVR function" and some others

[20:34:54]

Roklobsta:

hardest part is finding a TV card that doesn't waste your time

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Korny1:

HD homeruns in the US haven't failed me yet

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Korny1:

now that makes no sense, if I run a recording through ffmpeg using -copy function on both audio and video and just using it to remove extra steams(spanish lanuage) project-x likes it. blah

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dym:

im looking very forward to testing this homerun europe baby

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Korny1:

dym: I have to reset my server more often then my HD-HR's, and thats once every few months....

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dym:

:D

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dym:

allright

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dym:

Korny1: running what OS?

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Korny1:

Ubuntu 14.04

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Korny1:

well mythbuntu technically

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dym:

ah okay

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