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| [01:18:56] | MTughan: | My dad and I are thinking of building a new MythTV box. We don't need a whole lot of computing power because we're using an HDHomeRun. We were considering one of Intel's NUCs, but we can't get much storage in there. Is there any problem with using a network drive for the recording storage? |
| [01:19:25] | MTughan: | Connectivity to the network will all be gigabit Ethernet and I can reliably get at least 50MB/s from the network drive, usually more. |
| [01:23:16] | MTughan: | Also, anyone know what the support of Intel's HD Graphic 5000 is like? |
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| [05:47:48] | CCFL_Man: | would a 64GB usb stick be enough to install a linux and mythtv stuff? |
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| [05:56:31] | Roklobsta: | heaps |
| [05:56:33] | Roklobsta: | but slow |
| [05:56:39] | Roklobsta: | because of DB |
| [05:56:48] | Roklobsta: | and you'll blow up the stick with DB strashing |
| [05:56:51] | Roklobsta: | threashign |
| [05:56:54] | Roklobsta: | thrashing |
| [05:57:10] | Roklobsta: | I used a 10GB partition |
| [05:58:29] | CCFL_Man: | even with USB3? |
| [05:59:18] | CCFL_Man: | the writes will eventually kill the stick? |
| [05:59:53] | Roklobsta: | probably |
| [05:59:57] | Roklobsta: | why a usb stick? |
| [06:00:10] | Roklobsta: | i am using a spare 2.5" HDD |
| [06:00:24] | Roklobsta: | for OS and 3 3.5" drives for recordings |
| [06:00:42] | Roklobsta: | USB stick should be used to boot but hardly ever written to |
| [06:00:52] | CCFL_Man: | in the event of a hard drive failure, i wouldn't have to reinstall everything |
| [06:01:29] | CCFL_Man: | but, i guess i could just backup the partition |
| [06:02:08] | Roklobsta: | all you need to be sure is your mythtv sql database is safe. it's backed up regularly anyway |
| [06:02:27] | CCFL_Man: | i only have room for two physical drives |
| [06:02:59] | CCFL_Man: | and you said writing the database to another drive while running from a usb stick would be bad? |
| [06:04:33] | Roklobsta: | nono keeping the DB on the stick is bad |
| [06:05:18] | CCFL_Man: | can i have the DB on one of the hard drives and run off of the usb stick? |
| [06:05:39] | CCFL_Man: | without issue |
| [06:06:52] | CCFL_Man: | i don't see why not |
| [06:12:34] | Roklobsta: | no, make sure you mount the usb stick with noatime option in fstab |
| [06:12:45] | Roklobsta: | do things to minimise writes to the stick. |
| [06:13:24] | Roklobsta: | just be wary it might cack itself at some point |
| [06:13:35] | Roklobsta: | and it'll be slow |
| [06:13:46] | CCFL_Man: | hmm.. |
| [06:14:27] | CCFL_Man: | maybe i should just do what you do |
| [06:15:39] | CCFL_Man: | should i spend the extra cash on dvr drives? |
| [06:20:02] | Roklobsta: | dvr? no i am using wdgreen in RAID5 mode and using the wdidle3 utility to turn off the annoying 8 second head park. |
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| [06:24:25] | CCFL_Man: | that also might be the better option |
| [06:35:46] | CCFL_Man: | greens are pricy |
| [06:36:24] | Roklobsta: | CHEAP 2TB = <$100 |
| [06:36:30] | Roklobsta: | don't get blue |
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| [06:47:54] | CCFL_Man: | Roklobsta: sounds like a plan |
| [06:48:06] | Roklobsta: | it is a plan. |
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| [09:43:56] | dekarl1: | Roklobsta: strange times, cheap 4TB is <€110 over here (including tax, private copying levy and whatnot) http://geizhals.at/de/intenso-4tb-6513123-a942735.html |
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| [09:54:05] | Roklobsta: | about the same |
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| [10:41:48] | stuartm: | oh nice, HDDs have finally come down in price, had given up hope |
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| [15:22:01] | jarnos_: | I wonder why mysqld and mythbackend use very much CPU even if there is no recording? |
| [15:25:33] | stuartm: | are you using EIT? |
| [15:31:53] | stuartm: | over the air guide data? |
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| [16:02:00] | tgm4883: | any jobs running? |
| [16:29:01] | jarnos_: | stuartm, yes |
| [16:29:12] | jarnos_: | tgm4883, no |
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| [16:40:15] | stuartm: | jarnos_: it shouldn't use a lot of CPU unless you are using a slow one, but MythTV will constantly be scanning through channels looking for guide data updates and inserting it into the database |
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| [16:46:18] | dekarl: | jarnos_: a) how much is very much? b) can we see some logs? |
| [16:47:23] | dekarl: | c) and what version is that? d) did you disable EIT for some channels or some channels completely? (on older versions we did not cache negative lookups for channels in the eit scanner) |
| [16:49:07] | dekarl: | but we fixed that in december 2012... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/fixe . . . ithelper.cpp |
| [16:50:28] | dekarl: | here's the user reporting the issue back then http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/ . . . /072902.html |
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| [16:57:29] | jarnos_: | dekarl, version 2:0.27.0+fixes.20140324.8ee257c-0ubuntu3 |
| [16:58:05] | dekarl: | while that is a bit old it does have that fix |
| [16:58:22] | jarnos_: | dekarl, Atom CPU, 34% according to top. |
| [16:58:48] | dekarl: | did you use mysqltuner already? |
| [16:58:59] | jarnos_: | dekarl, no |
| [16:59:25] | jarnos_: | dekarl, I did not disable EIT for some channels. |
| [17:01:03] | jarnos_: | dekarl, mysqld is not running high on CPU most of the time, but mythbackend is. |
| [17:06:11] | jarnos_: | dekarl, OS: Mythbuntu 14.04 LTS |
| [17:07:19] | dekarl: | jarnos_: I'm going through the fixes and there have been many related to EIT scanning performance. You may want to enable the fixes/0.27 ppa in mythbuntucontrolcentre and update to the latest 0.27 |
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| [17:08:57] | dekarl: | is that an ion? many fixes related to VDPAU,too |
| [17:09:21] | jarnos_: | dekarl, ion? |
| [17:10:39] | dekarl: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Ion |
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| [17:12:07] | jarnos_: | dekarl, Intel graphics, using Slim SD setup. |
| [17:18:16] | dekarl: | anyway. lots of fixes went in since then. I suggest to update and see if it is still an issue before investing more time :) |
| [17:18:56] | dekarl: | Then you can try disabling active EIT scanning and see if that changes anything. (maybe use the guide from xmltv.se instead?) |
| [17:36:22] | jarnos_: | dekarl, how do you restart the backend? |
| [17:38:45] | jarnos_: | dekarl, I activated the repository and upgraded. Process asked some questions about mythweb and whether other programs use the backend. |
| [17:44:56] | jarnos_: | jarnos_, it also warned me to make sure I have firewall installed, but I don't know much about it. |
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| [18:13:21] | jarnos_: | dekarl, It seems that upgrading alone did not help to reduce the CPU usage. |
| [18:14:35] | jarnos_: | BTW. How do you setup firewall in linnux, if you want to use Mythtv from other computers? |
| [18:17:12] | stuartm: | 34% on an Atom doesn't seem like that much to me |
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| [18:29:54] | dekarl: | jarnos_: updating should automatically restart the backend. on a command line you can use "service mythtv-backend restart" |
| [18:33:26] | dekarl: | jarnos_: the important part would be to run mythtv-setup and set the masterbackendip and backendip to something else then 127.0.0.1. |
| [18:34:20] | dekarl: | personally I would not bother with a firewall as you should only put mythtv on your local network and join remote devices via vpn. So do not put mythtv on "the open internet" |
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| [19:03:17] | jarnos_: | dekarl, what kind of ip can be used, then? Does it change how you use the backend e.g. by mythweb in local network? |
| [19:04:37] | jarnos_: | dekarl, do you mean the IPv4 address for the local system and network address for the main server. (Well, I use only one backend.) |
| [19:10:03] | jarnos_: | dekarl, and how do you not put mythtv on "the open internet"? |
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| [19:20:46] | jarnos_: | stuartm, oh, but is updating program guide with that intensity all the time necessary? |
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| [20:42:00] | dbh: | I'm trying to upgrade mythtv from 0.25 to 0.27 on a Ubuntu 12.04 box. I've enabled the mythbuntu repo, run the apt update, run apt install mythtv commands, run mythtv-setup and rebooted the box. My question is: How do I determine which version of mythtv is now running? Everything looks the same as before |
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| [20:55:09] | tgm4883: | dbh: you can check from the command line |
| [20:55:57] | tgm4883: | dpkg -l | grep mythtv |
| [20:59:33] | dbh: | tgm4883: Thanks |
| [21:07:56] | dekarl: | jarnos I was thinking about "put mythtv on you local network behind your router, but don't allow direct access from the internet" |
| [21:09:00] | dekarl: | jarnos you can choose between scanning the over-the-air guide or you can download once a day with xmltv |
| [21:09:44] | dekarl: | so no, its not necessary per se |
| [21:11:22] | CCFL_Man: | is it possible to search for a channel in schedules direct rather than picking from a lineup? |
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| [21:18:59] | vontrapp: | what's the best way to schedule shows to record which are not currently in any listings? |
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| [21:23:34] | neufeld: | So, I updated my LinHES install, which bumped the kernel from v3.6 to v3.13, and it seems that the PVR-500 driver has lost the ability to set sliced VBI mode, the ioctls that worked with the old modules fail with the new. MythTV recordings from before the upgrade contained captions, new ones don't. Given the pain that the video4linux people have with the CX25840, maybe it's time to swap it for the HVR-2250 I have |
| [21:23:34] | neufeld: | in a box on the shelf. Can anybody say whether VBI works with recent kernels on the HVR-2250? |
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| [21:28:17] | jarnos_: | stuartm, dekarl now CPU usage is about 20%. So some improvement :) |
| [21:29:12] | ** neufeld goes AFK, but will check back later in the evening for replies ** | |
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| [22:41:10] | dekarl: | vontrapp: use a (title) search rule |
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| [23:23:02] | jarnos_: | dekarl, and even much lower CPU usage usually :) |
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