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Sunday, October 19th, 2014, 00:21 UTC

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vontrapp:

ok so I've updated to ubuntu 14.04.1 with mythtv version 2:0.27.4+fixes.20141018.b305eb5–0ubuntu0mythbuntu2

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vontrapp:

I'm still having the same issues, still can't watch a show while it's recording and still no livetv (and I think still no tuner activates when i try to start livetv)

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vontrapp:

everything else seems to work just fine, great quality on playback (so long as the show is finished recording), records 3 shows at once without issue on my 2 hdhr (1 single, 1 dual)

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stuartm:

vontrapp: are the disks you are recording to local?

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vontrapp:

I finally got enough google combo and found a thread where someone suggested ipv6 bind address. My ipv6 changes so I think that might have been why. I configured it blank (disable ipv6?) and now it works!

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vontrapp:

I'm curious though, some of my recordings show up yellow in the list (or with a yellow dot, depending on the theme), what does that mean?

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vontrapp:

oh and the last thing I'm trying to configure that I can't find is to make new recording rules have auto expire enabled by default

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stuartm:

vontrapp: iirc those represent recordings which will be recorded at a different date or time, but the colour coding used would vary by theme, you should see an explanation somewhere on the screen if you highlight the entry

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stuartm:

vontrapp: the default is for new rules to have auto-expire enabled, but if you've changed that in the past you can edit the default rule template

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stuartm:

the next question you'll ask is where to find the option to edit the template, and unfortunately I can't remember, it's a new feature which I've never used ...

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vontrapp:

well there's yellow in the upcoming recordings, is that what you are talking about? (it also shows yellow if the recording is going to record on an unpreferred tuner) but I'm talking about record*ed* programs, some of those are yellow, and I don't know what it means

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vontrapp:

is that the "broken" recordings someone was talking about?

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stuartm:

oh, hmm, again depending on the theme that might be used to indicate 'damaged' recordings

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vontrapp:

and it will automatically attempt to re-record those if they come on again?

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stuartm:

I believe so, depending on the assessed level of damage – again a feature that I'm not familiar enough with to say with any confidence what the behaviour should be

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Roklobsta:

I still got the MFE 100% CPU blues.

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Roklobsta:

surely other must have witnessed it by now.

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Led-Hed:

I use Schedules Direct, my cable company (charter) changed some channels around so I had to do a channel scan. Now I have a few duplicate channels. The problem is schedules direct is giving the wrong xmltvid. Does anyone here know where I can go to see the schedules for a given xmltvid? So I can compare and report the correct xmltvid to them?

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CCFL_Man:

you know what? instead of my silly tivo HD, i'm better off buying a small motherboard, 2GB ram, a few hard drives, and some atsc sources, and not worry about paying for tivo again

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CCFL_Man:

some sort of set top box-like case

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CCFL_Man:

i wonder if everything will boot nicely from a USB stick

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dekarl:

"a few hard drives" in a "set top box-like case" is expensive. If you can avoid it, e.g. with a plain white box on the other side of the wall, or a sound isolated white box in a cupboard, you can get some nice drives for the money that you'd spend on the case only

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CCFL_Man:

what would run the frontend?

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CCFL_Man:

i think a set top box-like case would be expensive

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dekarl:

running frontend and backend on separate boxes is another option, especially when you have a network attached tuner and can just run the backend on whatever home server box you already may have

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dekarl:

then you might as well netboot and avoid local storage completely http://minimyth2.linuxd.org/ (been there done that)

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CCFL_Man:

i do have a network attached tuner, actually

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CCFL_Man:

that is a great idea

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CCFL_Man:

for the all in one setup, what kind of hardware setup do you recommend?

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dekarl:

the downside is, no one has package mythtv for SOHO NAS Filers yet, so its a lot of tinkering :)

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dashs:

NEway to truncate a current recording, but not lose it?

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Roklobsta:

i have everything in NSK-2480 case under the TV. it's very quiet still after 6 years of use.

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CCFL_Man:

dekarl: oh, like freenas?

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Roklobsta:

dekarl: really? like Samba is hard to get working?

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dekarl:

Roklobsta: I can't follow you, these soho boxes come with SMB file services preconfigured

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Roklobsta:

i use my mytbox as smb, cups/print and MPD server. all easy to make work.

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: i like mpd

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Roklobsta:

i mean even a modest MBE/MFE still has a lot of cycles to spare for fileserving

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dekarl:

Roklobsta: I was talking about the other way around... run mythtv on a box like this https://www.synology.com/en-global/

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Roklobsta:

ohhhhhhhhhhh.

[19:41:40]

Roklobsta:

i see

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Roklobsta:

yuck. those things suck.

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dekarl:

it depends

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Roklobsta:

after 2+ years updates stop

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Roklobsta:

i know someone who has a NAS box that likes to keep killing his drives.

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dekarl:

there are packages for other DVRs http://pavion.github.io/tvstreamrecord/

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Roklobsta:

meh. very narrow userbase.

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Roklobsta:

and hardware profile

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dekarl:

CCFL_Man: yes, like freenes, too.

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Roklobsta:

i like freenas though, i can see merit in a package for that maybe

[19:44:03]

Roklobsta:

because it's not tied to a make/model of NAS

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dekarl:

I'm not following the current hardware development so closely. But usually its a dedicated storage device for OS and database, then as many disks as you like for recordings.

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: are you able to watch flash streams on your box?

[19:44:40]

Roklobsta:

i can't say I ever tried.

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Roklobsta:

we just use myth to watch recorded TV (if I can ever get the DVB cards to work again)

[19:45:42]

Roklobsta:

dekarl: even my 6yo athlon mobo in MBE has 6 sata ports so I just made it do RAID5. easy peasy.

[19:46:08]

Roklobsta:

i mean, there is the usual weekend lost to upgrading Myth...

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stuartm:

let me just say, Samba is horrific, although granted if you have windows systems that doesn't leave you much choice

[19:46:26]

Roklobsta:

no and a basic guest share is simple enough

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Roklobsta:

which is all i want

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Roklobsta:

we use Mythweb to stream recordings to VLC though which works great

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stuartm:

it's more about performance issues with smb

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Roklobsta:

alas ipad seems to choke on myth recordings, they didn't make it work with MPEG2 at all.

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dekarl:

Roklobsta: its not about the ports, its about how we write to the database when recording. without fiddling with the optimization knobs you don't want multiple recordings and the database writes that go with these multiple recordings to fight over one platter

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Roklobsta:

unless someone can tell me of a nice ipad app that will play myth recordings stutter free

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CCFL_Man:

stuartm: samba is great for windows systems

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stuartm:

and all sorts of funky bugs, stuff which you spend days debugging and it turns out that it's not a problem with the applications but the fact you were sharing the files over smb which caused issues

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Roklobsta:

dekarl: ahhhh right. yeah, until recently i had one drive have some recordings + database and it started to get reaaaal slooooow to begin playback.

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dekarl:

I have to run an do some mythtv frontend testing (aka family time)

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Roklobsta:

so now all recordings are on raid5 and db is on boot disk,

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CCFL_Man:

what information is stored in the database other than guide data?

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Roklobsta:

recorded program, tuner settings

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Roklobsta:

video library

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Roklobsta:

your mum's bra size.

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CCFL_Man:

oh, i see, so it can get pretty large

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Roklobsta:

you said it.

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CCFL_Man:

does it store program description of recorded programs?

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Roklobsta:

yes

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Roklobsta:

everything

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Roklobsta:

everything that isn't in /etc

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CCFL_Man:

beautiful

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CCFL_Man:

i purchased one of those chamelean boxes, i probably shouldn't have

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Roklobsta:

the only problem is schema updates which stop you rolling back to earlier myth versions

[19:52:24]

Roklobsta:

can't you find it now it's the same colour as the couch cushion?

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: it was one of those media player boxes

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Roklobsta:

it'd be nice if MFE worked well on some cheap $99 diskless wonder.

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Roklobsta:

i think the main problem is porting to ARM and drivers.

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Roklobsta:

or underpowered ARMs

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CCFL_Man:

i have an old popcorn hour

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Roklobsta:

or binary video drivers

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Roklobsta:

or crappy deinterlacing

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Roklobsta:

because VDPAU is the best

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Roklobsta:

although i find having everythign in the onebox under the TV is fine.

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Roklobsta:

the NSK-2480 is a great box I wonder what has replaced it.

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: what do you use for remote control?

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Roklobsta:

LiRC and harmony 525 unfortunaltely. i bought a PulseEight HDMI-CEC but then my new TV didn't support HDMI-CEC! #&*(#^*(#&^@(*&^!

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Roklobsta:

i would have been nice to control myth from the Panasonic TV remote

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Roklobsta:

i didn't look for Viera-Link when I bought the friggin' thing.

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CCFL_Man:

what is HDMI-CEC?

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Roklobsta:

it was a rush buy as the plasma tha did have HDMI-CEC got smashed.

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Roklobsta:

it's when the TV sends out commands from the remote control over the HDMI cable to control other devices.

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CCFL_Man:

ahh, i see

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Roklobsta:

the pulse8 device sniffs these command and sends them to USB which MythTV can be made to understand

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stuartm:

CCFL_Man: it's an HDMI extension that allows communication between HDMI devices, and for example the TV can switch from your cable box to your DVD player automatically when you press play on the DVD player remote

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CCFL_Man:

that is fancy

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Roklobsta:

but noooooo I bought the wrong TV damnit

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CCFL_Man:

stuartm: very fancy

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CCFL_Man:

i still use a CRT tv

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Roklobsta:

so anyone wanna buy a Pulse8?

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Roklobsta:

hahahaha CRT

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stuartm:

or your TV remote can control your DVD player through the TV, lots of applications although support is patchy at best

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CCFL_Man:

stuartm: of course it is

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Roklobsta:

i expect the new LCD will pay for itself with the 8x less power it uses than the plasma did.

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stuartm:

turn your TV off and it will put the connected devices into standby etc

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: i'm wondering what would be the best way to achieve s-video output on this box i'll build

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CCFL_Man:

stuartm: that is a nice feature

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** Roklobsta blinks a little rapidly **

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CCFL_Man:

heh

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Roklobsta:

find an ancient video card that has svideo out

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Roklobsta:

good luck with that

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Roklobsta:

ort

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stuartm:

Roklobsta: the improved power consumption of TVs is impressive, even for newer gen LCDs which use less than half what my current LCD TV does

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Roklobsta:

or

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Roklobsta:

you could feel the IR heat emitted from the plasma

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Roklobsta:

but i liked the picture better. can't wait for oled to get cheap

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** CCFL_Man feels teh heat **

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Roklobsta:

LCD sucks

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: geez even a $200 27" LCD monitor is better than your CRT

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: with s-video out comes the use of a valuable slot that i could use for a tuner

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Roklobsta:

use a USB tuner

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Roklobsta:

or network tuner

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Roklobsta:

maybe network, i am getting the feeling that tuner support in linux overall is kinda lame.

[20:10:07]

Roklobsta:

no fault of V4L, just the manufacturers don't support linux.

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Roklobsta:

poor devs have to USB sniff everything to work out WTF is going on.

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CCFL_Man:

my sony wega has a picture quality that rivals the best LCD

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CCFL_Man:

the tuner support is really crappy

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Roklobsta:

haha wega, man, how deep is the tube? 5 feet?

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CCFL_Man:

it's deep enough to produce a great picture

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CCFL_Man:

with s-video

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Roklobsta:

1080?

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CCFL_Man:

resolution is irrelevant

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CCFL_Man:

downscaled HD looks great

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Roklobsta:

yeah my 42" plasma was only 1024x768 but the picture we think was better than 1920x1080 lcd

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Roklobsta:

better contrast, less motion smear, better at hiding mpeg artifacts

[20:13:03]

Roklobsta:

better viewing angles

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CCFL_Man:

will the s-video out of that video card scale properly?

[20:13:11]

Roklobsta:

not better power consumption

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Roklobsta:

dunno. can you do analgoue RGB?

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Roklobsta:

or even SVGA?

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Roklobsta:

some CRTs accepted SVGA

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CCFL_Man:

i could and use a converter

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CCFL_Man:

it's composite or s-video only

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Roklobsta:

svideo is i recall 2 cable, chroma and luminance

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CCFL_Man:

it is

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Roklobsta:

i don't know if svideo is stuck at a particular set of scan rates and resolutions

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CCFL_Man:

it is

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CCFL_Man:

not enough bandwidth for high resolution

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CCFL_Man:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163174 <--i like this case

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Roklobsta:

i don't think you will find a modern card that does svideo

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CCFL_Man:

neither do i

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Roklobsta:

deinterlacing isn't something you need

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Roklobsta:

as you will have interlacing by default

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Roklobsta:

surely it takes RGBa?

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Roklobsta:

i am surprised if it doesn't

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CCFL_Man:

it's a US TV

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Roklobsta:

ahahaha

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Roklobsta:

OK

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Roklobsta:

made for getting cable box and KRAP Nantucket.

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CCFL_Man:

larger TV's had component video

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CCFL_Man:

which the chroma channel is differentiated

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CCFL_Man:

which allowed for more chroma bandwidth

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CCFL_Man:

i would like to plug in a USB IRd dongle in for lirc

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Roklobsta:

you can get it

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Roklobsta:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=flirc

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Roklobsta:

http://www.flirc.tv/

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CCFL_Man:

perfect

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Roklobsta:

i use a HP media centre IR serial receiver i bought in 1996

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Roklobsta:

!

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CCFL_Man:

serial?

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CCFL_Man:

it's hard to find motherboards with that

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squish102:

can someone let me know how to continue to find the problem with mythfilldatabase. this is the output of --dd-grab-all http://paste.ubuntu.com/8592260/

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squish102:

is there another --verbose setting to give my why the download failed?

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Roklobsta:

it's a 6yo mobo

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Roklobsta:

still working very well

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squish102:

I have already removed all tuners and readded them back. deleted all rows in "program" and still I cannot get it to work (after one day)

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Roklobsta:

0.27 or 28?

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: i can't even find a google image of it it's so old

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squish102:

0.27

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CCFL_Man:

Roklobsta: i hope to have mine that long

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Roklobsta:

i bought it thinking i might use it one day....

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squish102:

new install, and then moved over from an old backend and imported database, changed hostname but I cannot get the guide data loaded

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: a month ago i redid my whole myth system, RAID5 (3 new 2TB drives), mythbuntu 14.04

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Roklobsta:

vacuum

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Roklobsta:

the dual core athlon in it still is more than enough to drive the whole show

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: i also made a LIRC receiver on veroboard. ugly as hell but works find.

[20:30:16]

Roklobsta:

fine

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: haha here is my IR receiver. http://picclick.com/Lot10-4way-WinIRC-PB-Fast . . . 2296137.html

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CCFL_Man:

if this case had a window, i'd glue in an ir receiver

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CCFL_Man:

the other issue is that the case uses those small form factor slots

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CCFL_Man:

finding an ATSC tuner supported in linux with a small form factor bracket seems like it would be difficult

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Roklobsta:

CCFL_Man: you can also use a mythtv control app on iphone/ipad/android

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Roklobsta:

wifi

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CCFL_Man:

maybe i should do that

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CCFL_Man:

i'm no used to the old way

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CCFL_Man:

err, so

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Roklobsta:

but it won't control the tv

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Roklobsta:

just myth

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Roklobsta:

we use mpd that way on the ipad.

[20:35:31]

Roklobsta:

audio comes out another sound card from MBE

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Roklobsta:

so no need to turn on tv to get music

[20:35:58]

Roklobsta:

though TV audio is over HDMI

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CCFL_Man:

i ran mpd on a linksys usb router for years with a network music share

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Roklobsta:

nice

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Roklobsta:

how did you get sound out of router?

[20:36:49]

Roklobsta:

oh usb soundcard

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CCFL_Man:

turtle beach USB audio card

[20:37:01]

CCFL_Man:

it sounded great

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Roklobsta:

nice

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Roklobsta:

yeah

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CCFL_Man:

the cheap chinese one wouldn't work with the driver\

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Roklobsta:

people spend $1000's on custom geasr for that crap

[20:37:28]

CCFL_Man:

they do

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Roklobsta:

when they just need a junk router and some time.

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CCFL_Man:

right

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CCFL_Man:

i do buy cisco networking gear though

[20:38:18]

Roklobsta:

i set one company up with mpd on an old PC. they love playing with it from their iphones

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CCFL_Man:

mpd really is awesome

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Roklobsta:

ubuntu, smb guest share and mpd

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CCFL_Man:

it's so easy

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Roklobsta:

i got paid to do it

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CCFL_Man:

lucky

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CCFL_Man:

i'd like to play flash screams on this box

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CCFL_Man:

particularly Deutsche Welle TV

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CCFL_Man:

i should have done it all the while

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CCFL_Man:

what about playing youtube videos?

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Roklobsta:

you can do it.

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Roklobsta:

i didn't investigate with mythtv

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Roklobsta:

but

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Roklobsta:

if you get a wireless keyoboard and mouse you can just switch to firefox or chrome

[20:44:15]

Roklobsta:

like one of those mini bluetooth keybords

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CCFL_Man:

sounds like a good idea

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CCFL_Man:

how large can mythtv databases get?

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CCFL_Man:

actually, maybe it's best to store the database on the same hard drives as the recordings

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Roklobsta:

mine was 80MB after 6 years

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CCFL_Man:

not bad

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CCFL_Man:

you think booting off of a usb would be a good idea?

[21:06:20]

CCFL_Man:

this way a hard drive failure won't result in me reinstalling everything?

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stuartm:

generally we recommend that the database isn't on the same physical drive as recordings because with enough recordings happening concurrently the high I/O can start causing problems reading or writing to the database or the recordings

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stuartm:

for the database in particular timing of reads/writes can be important, any delays will have a knock on effect on both the recording process and the frontend responsiveness

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CCFL_Man:

stuartm: will issues arrise if the database is stored on a flash drive?

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Roklobsta:

what if you have 2GB+ of RAM, surely file cache will alleviate that between flushes/sync.

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CCFL_Man:

and if i'm going to go all out, would it be better to use "dvr" hard drives?

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Roklobsta:

meh i use WD Green with wdidle3 set to turn off the 8 seconds park.

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Roklobsta:

set as raid 5 if one craps itself you have time to buy another

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Roklobsta:

wd green is cheap

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Roklobsta:

i have a green thats lasted 6 years no problem

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Roklobsta:

and a samsung that died after 18mo

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CCFL_Man:

i like WD

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CCFL_Man:

i got a blue for my freebsd server

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Roklobsta:

anecdotes are not evidence though

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CCFL_Man:

right

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Roklobsta:

oh blue sucks throw it away

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Roklobsta:

the do die guaranteed

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CCFL_Man:

speaking of that, i wonder how well a myth bandend with network tuners

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CCFL_Man:

on freebsd

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CCFL_Man:

that's disheartening to hear now that i spent $60 on it

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Roklobsta:

shoulda spent extra $2 for a green

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Roklobsta:

and nowadays don't do anything without RAID

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Roklobsta:

too much data to leave on one drive to chance

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Roklobsta:

anyway bye

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CCFL_Man:

does anyone run debian?

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