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| [01:31:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: did you say you already had a fix for #12243 ? |
| [01:31:39] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12243 ** | |
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| [01:52:25] | Ganymede: | Can I ask about Linux TV in general here? I'm in the U.S. and I was thinking getting an ATSC antenna and tuner to pick up over-the-air broadcast and multicast the MPEG-TS into the network. Does MythTV or VideoLAN DVBlast do that? |
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| [02:15:22] | skd5aner: | mythtv will do that (essentially) |
| [02:15:35] | skd5aner: | I wouldn't word it lke that, but same general principle |
| [02:22:09] | Ganymede: | I plan to have some Android set-top-boxes receive the MPEG-TS multicast stream (haven't yet looked into what app can do that or whether I'll have to write my own). Are the closed captions also included in the MPEG-TS stream? |
| [02:40:47] | Ganymede: | And by the way, this is non-reencoded retransmission of a channel picked up by the antenna into a multicast MPEG-TS stream? When the receiver displays the stream, it should not have any quality loss compared to what was on the air. |
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| [04:32:17] | Macer: | hm |
| [04:32:26] | Macer: | trying to figure out how exactly i initialize this weather stuff |
| [04:32:34] | Macer: | as well as how i set up mythweb to play videos |
| [04:33:05] | Macer: | i don't see any settings anywhere to set it up |
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| [05:47:17] | dekarl: | Ganymede: sounds like you want MumuDVB or DVBlast |
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| [11:36:58] | Ganymede: | dekarl: Cool, thanks, I'll look into it. |
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| [12:07:16] | Macer: | The requested URL /mythweb.pl/pl/stream/1051/1409876700 |
| [12:07:19] | Macer: | hm. am i missing something here? |
| [12:11:55] | Macer: | oh .. looks like an apache config problem. blah. |
| [12:11:58] | Macer: | i'll fix that later |
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| [12:15:01] | sid3windr: | yeah, prolly part of the error message at least ;> |
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| [12:21:50] | Macer: | it is |
| [12:22:01] | Macer: | i guess i don't have the dir that it's supposed to read the .pl stuff from set up in httpd.conf |
| [12:22:19] | Macer: | so there aren't any rights for it :/ blah. i sure wish it were its own daemon and didn't need apache |
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| [12:34:19] | sphery: | Macer: that's coming--we're getting rid of MythWeb (PHP application on Apache) and putting the entire web interface into the backend. |
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| [12:42:26] | Macer: | sphery: oh. awesome :) |
| [12:42:30] | Macer: | thanks. |
| [12:45:48] | sphery: | stuartm: btw, some do appreciate your work on the web interface. :) ^^^ |
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| [12:59:04] | stuartm: | :) |
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| [17:40:23] | knuth: | Hi guys |
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| [17:41:57] | knuth: | Anyone on and able to answer my noobish questions? |
| [17:45:47] | SteveGoodey: | knuth: Feel free to go ahead and ask and see if you get any reponse is how it normally works. |
| [17:46:21] | knuth: | I'm looking to use mythTV with a HD homerun prime. |
| [17:46:40] | knuth: | I'm a bit confused on what channels it will be able to handle. |
| [17:46:52] | knuth: | I rather not use WMC. |
| [17:47:12] | knuth: | . |
| [17:47:41] | knuth: | Also in cases when I can not record content will I at least be able to stream it realtime? |
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| [18:34:48] | tgm4883: | knuth: you wouldn't be able to stream it realtime to mythtv, but you might be able to to a dlna client, I'm not sure about that |
| [18:35:32] | tgm4883: | knuth: mythtv would be able to record any that are marked copy freely, which would depend on your cable company |
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| [18:39:31] | knuth: | what do people traditionaly use mythTV for if not live tv? |
| [18:39:48] | knuth: | It mostly used for over the air content? |
| [18:41:18] | knuth: | . |
| [18:41:20] | tgm4883: | knuth: you are confusing terms. over the air (OTA) would be the alternative to cable and/or satellite. Live TV would be the alternative to recordings |
| [18:41:31] | tgm4883: | so your question doesn't make sense |
| [18:41:46] | knuth: | yes sorry OTA vs cablecard. |
| [18:41:50] | knuth: | . |
| [18:42:01] | knuth: | I can see the channels in nextPVR on windows. |
| [18:42:20] | tgm4883: | knuth: you have a HDHR-CC? |
| [18:42:23] | knuth: | given this will I probably be able to see them with mythTV? |
| [18:43:08] | knuth: | I have a HD homerune prime which is the model you put a cable card into. |
| [18:43:14] | knuth: | . |
| [18:43:21] | knuth: | idealy I would like a linux appliance. |
| [18:43:31] | tgm4883: | I believe mythtv will will be able to record any channels that aren't marked DRM in the HDHR web interface |
| [18:44:13] | knuth: | so far I have configured WMC and nextPVR but in the end want to use mythTV is possible. |
| [18:44:35] | tgm4883: | I know nothing about WMC or nextPVR |
| [18:45:01] | knuth: | My understanding is the WMC is the onlu one that can play the DMR stuff. |
| [18:45:19] | knuth: | so if nextPVR works i'm hoping myth will. |
| [18:45:29] | knuth: | . |
| [18:45:35] | tgm4883: | possibly, but again I know nothing about nextPVR |
| [18:45:58] | knuth: | I have a dule boot system with ubuntu |
| [18:46:16] | knuth: | I can install mythtv from the package manager? |
| [18:46:50] | knuth: | In the end i want an appliance but for now want to test without messing up my dev build to much. |
| [18:47:29] | tgm4883: | I'd use mythbuntu-control-centre to install all the necessary pieces, but you could just do an install of mythtv-backend-master and mythtv-frontend |
| [18:48:52] | knuth: | ok, btw how does mythtv-frontend compare to xbmc? Should I consier using it over xbmc or use myth as the backen though xmbc? |
| [18:49:12] | knuth: | xbmc that is. |
| [18:49:37] | tgm4883: | I've only briefly tested the xbmc mythtv plugin, i didn't like it |
| [18:50:16] | knuth: | what did you not like. Do you run mythtv on your tv? |
| [18:50:30] | tgm4883: | I run mythfrontend, yes |
| [18:50:33] | knuth: | (use you tv as the display) |
| [18:50:47] | tgm4883: | yes, I use a 55" tv as my display |
| [18:51:10] | tgm4883: | I didn't like how it presented the recordings |
| [18:51:23] | tgm4883: | it feels really tacked on |
| [18:52:00] | knuth: | so in your setup you can do dvr and play other media in your library? |
| [18:52:30] | tgm4883: | yes, I use it for recordings and purchased dvd's/bluray |
| [18:53:28] | knuth: | can you play the blueray's directly or do you need to first rip them. My understanding is xbmc does not support direct play of blueray. |
| [18:53:44] | knuth: | It would be nice to just be able to pop in the disk and play it. |
| [18:53:46] | tgm4883: | I don't know if you can play them directly, never tried |
| [18:54:58] | knuth: | do you use an extender type setup or just run the server/client local to your tv? |
| [18:55:21] | tgm4883: | you can do either |
| [18:55:34] | tgm4883: | most people run a single mythtv frontend/backend |
| [18:55:48] | tgm4883: | I've got a separate backend |
| [18:55:54] | justinh: | there is no 'extender' type thing which works well with mythtv AFAIK. Unless you mean DLNA.. but the UI on those kind of things suck |
| [18:56:09] | tgm4883: | justinh: I think he means a separate frontend |
| [18:56:43] | knuth: | yep I put quotes for that reason. |
| [18:57:19] | knuth: | any populare hacks for mini boxes you can install the front end on. |
| [18:57:35] | ** tgm4883 shrugs ** | |
| [18:57:35] | knuth: | example fire tv install of xbmc. |
| [18:57:49] | tgm4883: | my frontend is also my gaming system, so it's got a bit of power |
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| [19:02:30] | knuth: | forum a bit sparce. Any suggestions on hardware? |
| [19:02:49] | knuth: | I am primaraly worried about the video and getting the remote to work. |
| [19:03:31] | tgm4883: | for the remote, i've got one of these http://flirc.tv/ |
| [19:03:58] | tgm4883: | video, i've got a gtx 760, but again this is my gaming machine too |
| [19:04:21] | tgm4883: | other hardware could vary quite a bit |
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| [19:09:09] | knuth: | Ok cool. Thanks for you time tgm4883 |
| [19:09:19] | tgm4883: | yw |
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| [19:27:15] | justinh: | the only thing that can run mythfrontend natively, and well, is a PC of some kind. |
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| [19:28:44] | justinh: | I still hate having to do the whole PC DVR thing, but still nothing even comes close so I'm stuck |
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| [19:29:04] | knuth: | This is what I am thinking :( |
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| [19:29:35] | knuth: | I don't want to leave my dev box on all the time so i need the backend some place and don't want to build two new boxes. |
| [19:30:02] | justinh: | sure I can have a teeny tiny box which does TV recording, but the most you get is 2 tuners, low amount of storage and ONE BIG LIST (TM) of recordings |
| [19:30:24] | justinh: | oh and it won't play files from a network share. |
| [19:30:26] | knuth: | use an external tunner. |
| [19:30:39] | justinh: | no I mean commercial DVRs |
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| [19:31:08] | justinh: | mythtv has been going for how long now? And still nobody is even daring to borrow the best of it |
| [19:31:23] | knuth: | borrow? |
| [19:31:36] | justinh: | take the best idea |
| [19:31:53] | justinh: | the 'best' DVR in the UK won't or can't even categorise recordings man |
| [19:32:51] | knuth: | lack of competition. Lots of monopolistic silos. |
| [19:33:18] | knuth: | . |
| [19:33:29] | knuth: | I do think network tuners are the way to go though. |
| [19:33:38] | knuth: | one thing you can strip out of your build. |
| [19:33:41] | justinh: | as for the big players.. Sky etc.. same thing. awful UIs |
| [19:34:34] | knuth: | I wish I could get sky... |
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| [19:34:58] | knuth: | basicly imposible to watch certain sports in the states. |
| [19:35:06] | tgm4883: | justinh: I thought mythtv was one of the first to save your position when you leave the recording and be able to start from where you left off on another TV? |
| [19:35:29] | justinh: | basically impossible to watch Sky TV in most parts of the UK when there's 'weather' lol |
| [19:35:35] | tgm4883: | you know, that revolutionary brand new thing that has never been done before that directv can do now |
| [19:35:53] | justinh: | if it rains, you lose the signal. If you lose the signal you can't watch live TV or recordings. Muhahahaha |
| [19:36:15] | justinh: | tgm4883: no idea what directv can do :-) |
| [19:36:33] | knuth: | My parents had directTV it was like that with the weather. |
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| [19:36:39] | tgm4883: | justinh: directv can do that, at least from their commercials |
| [19:36:46] | justinh: | but why is nobody doing show/title categories? |
| [19:37:01] | justinh: | timestretch I can live without. Ad skipping.. hmmmm almost.. |
| [19:37:02] | knuth: | my samsung tv also does that. |
| [19:37:02] | tgm4883: | show/title categories? |
| [19:37:28] | justinh: | tgm4883: yeah rather than ONE BIG LIST (TM) of recordings, mythtv can split it up by show title or whatever |
| [19:37:30] | knuth: | if you put media in it, is prety smart about it. |
| [19:37:41] | knuth: | but no live tv. |
| [19:37:59] | tgm4883: | justinh: I swear that tivo can do that |
| [19:38:04] | tgm4883: | like 10 years ago |
| [19:38:09] | justinh: | can't get tivo here |
| [19:38:14] | knuth: | tivio is so expensive though.. |
| [19:38:17] | tgm4883: | I may be mistaken, it was 10 years ago |
| [19:38:20] | justinh: | and besides, tivo sucks donkeys |
| [19:38:27] | justinh: | blip bloop |
| [19:38:40] | knuth: | tivo is ok just crazy expensive. |
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| [19:38:56] | tgm4883: | I bought a $15 tivo from goodwill that had a lifetime subscription, hacked it to put in a bigger hard drive, and then like a year later sold it on ebay for $300 |
| [19:38:58] | knuth: | $600+ if you don't may the monthy cost. |
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| [19:39:05] | tgm4883: | but yea, pretty expensive for normal folks |
| [19:39:27] | knuth: | nice find. |
| [19:40:01] | knuth: | new one is like 300 then you buy the lifetime for another 300 or so or pay 15–20 a month. |
| [19:40:08] | justinh: | ouch |
| [19:40:26] | tgm4883: | I just ordered lunch, so I'm watching the camera by our helpdesk to see when the delivery guy gets here. The guy at the helpdesk right now is watching some video on the internet, so I'm currently watching a streaming video of a guy watching a streaming video. |
| [19:40:31] | justinh: | I don't think I'm ever gonna be able to quit mythtv then :-) |
| [19:40:47] | justinh: | tgm4883: meta! :) |
| [19:40:49] | tgm4883: | knuth: I don't think they even offer the lifetime sub anymore |
| [19:41:18] | knuth: | I would pay $400 total for a good dvr that works with cable after that though I say no. |
| [19:41:19] | knuth: | . |
| [19:41:43] | knuth: | there are some options for OTA. I think you can get solutions for 300 or so. |
| [19:43:38] | knuth: | . |
| [19:43:55] | knuth: | so why is xbmc so much more popular then mythTV? |
| [19:44:09] | justinh: | xbmc is only a media player |
| [19:44:24] | justinh: | if you want to record TV yourself, you need a DVR |
| [19:44:41] | knuth: | yep |
| [19:44:57] | knuth: | which is why I am confused. |
| [19:45:13] | knuth: | people like xbmc enough to use it and point to a mythTV backend. |
| [19:45:33] | justinh: | some people do |
| [19:45:40] | justinh: | i've tried it but I hate it for that |
| [19:45:57] | justinh: | infact I find its UI incredibly unintuitive |
| [19:46:38] | dekarl: | people like xbmc because it had a forum way earlier methinks |
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| [19:46:55] | dekarl: | can't think of a technical reason ;) |
| [19:47:09] | knuth: | skins perhaps also. |
| [19:47:10] | justinh: | I can think of one reason |
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| [19:47:36] | justinh: | illegal stuff. way back in the day they were doing filename parsing, stripping group names out of video filenames, you name it |
| [19:48:34] | justinh: | as for the skins.. you should try *using* some of them. gah |
| [19:49:42] | knuth: | myth or xbmc? |
| [19:49:48] | justinh: | actually both |
| [19:50:09] | justinh: | the most recent xbmc skin ports to mythfrontend I've tried are erm.. well they look very nice |
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| [19:51:20] | justinh: | too many people are still forgetting that a media frontend really should be considered a '10 foot' interface. i.e. not go "wooo, we got 1080p, so we can fit reams of 10pt text onscreen" |
| [19:52:59] | justinh: | I'm *still* using the mythbuntu theme. I really quite like it |
| [19:53:59] | tgm4883: | dekarl: xbmc could be run on the original xbox |
| [19:55:05] | tgm4883: | dekarl: then they went from xbox -> windows |
| [19:55:34] | tgm4883: | both xbox and windows have larger user bases than linux |
| [19:55:40] | justinh: | it must've been a hell of a code wrench to go multiplatform as they have done |
| [19:58:31] | justinh: | I'm not even sure they've had any public falling outs. The golden open source project |
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| [19:59:43] | knuth: | the android build is big for xbmc |
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| [19:59:57] | knuth: | It is how you run it on lots of cheep boxes. |
| [20:00:17] | knuth: | I set up xbmc on a fire TV. |
| [20:00:28] | tgm4883: | now that I think of it, I can think of quite a few reason why xbmc is more popular than mythtv, both technical and political reasons |
| [20:01:31] | justinh: | one could be that they took a bold decision to stop supporting old hardware |
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| [20:02:12] | justinh: | and anybody who wanted to optimise it for the smaller platforms like the Pi had to use their initiative & actually do it |
| [20:02:35] | knuth: | yes the cost of entry is cheeper. |
| [20:02:35] | tgm4883: | indirectly yes. Stopping support on older hardware allows you to make more new shiny things (both because of beefier requirements and freed up dev time), and shiny things attract users |
| [20:02:47] | knuth: | you cna not do what myth can do but you can do somthing for under 200 |
| [20:03:02] | justinh: | only for downloaded, streaming or ripped video though |
| [20:03:13] | knuth: | hard to build a myth system under 500 |
| [20:03:13] | justinh: | and you'd be lucky to put a backend together for under 200 |
| [20:03:25] | justinh: | or any DVR come to think |
| [20:03:29] | knuth: | yep |
| [20:03:35] | justinh: | forget about TVH. It's a bag of spanners |
| [20:03:38] | knuth: | the tuner alone will cost you most of that. |
| [20:03:43] | tgm4883: | only because the tuner is so expensive |
| [20:04:05] | justinh: | if you want a 'free' DVR, subscribe to cable & get theirs |
| [20:04:24] | knuth: | I have cable lol |
| [20:04:35] | knuth: | but the DVR is not acceptable. |
| [20:04:50] | justinh: | if you wanna *good* DVR, it's not cheap. To buy or maybe to run it |
| [20:05:45] | justinh: | thankfully I think I can count on one hand the number of major outtages I've had in over 10 years of using myth. Only one was a hardware failure (HDD) & the others were all my fault |
| [20:05:47] | knuth: | 400 would be a fair price. |
| [20:06:23] | knuth: | but you can not find anything that works with cable for near that. |
| [20:06:32] | justinh: | and those droids running XBMC *suck* at mythtv duties. playback is fine generally, but navigating the UI is SLOW |
| [20:06:45] | justinh: | same with the Pi |
| [20:06:51] | tgm4883: | knuth: for $400? |
| [20:06:58] | tgm4883: | backend only or backend+frontend |
| [20:07:10] | justinh: | I mean even loading a list of recordings or the EPG can take 30+ secs with only 1000 recordings or so |
| [20:07:34] | justinh: | maybe it'll improve when it's all using the API.. that remains to be seen |
| [20:07:46] | knuth: | both. |
| [20:07:47] | knuth: | http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-DVR-Bund . . . s=dvr+master |
| [20:07:50] | knuth: | 299 |
| [20:07:57] | knuth: | only thing is it is over the air. |
| [20:08:23] | justinh: | I fail to grasp how parsing an XML field even with metadata with 1000 items takes that long |
| [20:10:01] | knuth: | only reason they don't have the same device for cable is law. |
| [20:10:07] | justinh: | it all happens in the blink of an eye on a PC running the same code |
| [20:10:45] | justinh: | gotta love consumers. throw rubbish at em & they lap it up |
| [20:10:56] | knuth: | $400 is a fair price for a full function dvr. |
| [20:11:09] | justinh: | but they're not, are they |
| [20:11:41] | justinh: | they're more like a VCR, except you don't have to feed tapes in |
| [20:12:14] | knuth: | you can pause it like a tivo. |
| [20:12:21] | knuth: | it has a guide. |
| [20:12:28] | tgm4883: | yea I'm about at $450 without a tuner |
| [20:12:32] | knuth: | what is it missing that a "DVR" has. |
| [20:12:37] | justinh: | WHOAH. How slim is that box?! |
| [20:12:56] | tgm4883: | core i3 with 4GB ram |
| [20:13:27] | tgm4883: | I could probably shave $50–100 off if I go with the absolute cheapest parts that will do the job though |
| [20:13:30] | justinh: | bet its list of recordings is just a flat table |
| [20:13:47] | knuth: | because you are builing a computer not an appliance. |
| [20:14:24] | tgm4883: | appliances suck |
| [20:14:36] | knuth: | tivio is not so bad. |
| [20:14:46] | tgm4883: | yes it is |
| [20:15:14] | knuth: | It parts cost is like 250–300 |
| [20:15:15] | justinh: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwfNhtELPA – skip to 5'20 in |
| [20:15:19] | justinh: | one big list (TM) |
| [20:15:24] | tgm4883: | unless it's gotten seriously faster (I doubt) since the last time I used it, it's pretty slow |
| [20:15:44] | tgm4883: | plus if it breaks, you get to replace the whole thing (yay!) |
| [20:15:56] | justinh: | the big players like Tivo, Sky et al.. have the OS.. then middleware, then the UI on top. They're awful |
| [20:16:10] | knuth: | I would love to have the option to buy a 300–400 device like a tivo. Also if the law did not get in the way competion would make the software better. |
| [20:17:45] | tgm4883: | justinh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwfNhtELPA#t=323 |
| [20:17:58] | tgm4883: | if you right click on a youtube video, you can get the URL to the current time |
| [20:18:20] | justinh: | oh great! cheers for that tip tgm4883 :) |
| [20:18:37] | tgm4883: | knuth: I don't think the law prevents software competition. DRM does |
| [20:19:17] | justinh: | DRM isn't forcing companies to make UIs that suck. What's up with all the wasted screen space on the channel master DVR+? |
| [20:19:43] | tgm4883: | DRM prevents competition |
| [20:19:59] | tgm4883: | and without competition, why would some company make it better? |
| [20:20:10] | stuartm: | VM Tivo's on-demand stuff shows a two line truncated description for films, and the rest of the screen is empty |
| [20:20:39] | stuartm: | you can no longer tell what a film is about, who it stars and decide whether it's worth paying for |
| [20:20:39] | knuth: | tgm4883 exactly. |
| [20:20:52] | stuartm: | whoever designed that should be shot |
| [20:21:22] | tgm4883: | knuth: but DRM isn't required by law, it's required by certain content creators |
| [20:21:38] | justinh: | OH. Youview recordings can be 'folderised'.. if there are multiple entries for a title, it acts like a folder. I didn't know that. |
| [20:21:48] | justinh: | I like that idea, come to think... |
| [20:22:04] | stuartm: | justinh: I do that in the re-written upnp interface |
| [20:22:10] | justinh: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwfNhtELPA#t=323 |
| [20:22:44] | stuartm: | was going to carry it over to the WebFrontend too |
| [20:23:07] | justinh: | could the web frontend play video too? and be remote controllable? ;-) |
| [20:24:13] | justinh: | who'd have thought youview did something I liked..? The UI is still awful though. You see LOADING... an awful lot |
| [20:25:00] | justinh: | and it's SLOOOW |
| [20:25:45] | tgm4883: | stuartm: i bought the 5th edition of c++ primer, at my current reading rate of this book I should be able to contribute code in 50 years |
| [20:26:06] | justinh: | tgm4883: I never let inability to code get in the way of me submitting patches ;-) |
| [20:26:12] | tgm4883: | I should probably hide in a closet at work so i can get through the first chapter |
| [20:26:16] | tgm4883: | justinh: lol |
| [20:26:34] | justinh: | I still wanna have fun like I did messing with the gl painter again. I had a blast |
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| [20:27:04] | justinh: | now the house is getting sorted out I should be able to have a dev space again |
| [20:27:25] | justinh: | boarding out the garage roof space so we can clear out the 4th bedroom :D |
| [20:27:36] | tgm4883: | I feel like I need to find a nice piece of not super complicated mythtv code that I can review while I'm going though this book |
| [20:28:26] | stuartm: | tgm4883: heh, sometimes it's better just to dive in, you'd likely find that you'll never use half of what is contained in the book (applies to most everything) |
| [20:28:36] | justinh: | depends what you wanna do I think |
| [20:28:58] | justinh: | making useful tweaks, I found really rewarding |
| [20:29:00] | tgm4883: | stuartm: dive in, is there a "so you want to hack apart mythtv, start here" page? |
| [20:29:33] | stuartm: | justinh: WebFrontend can play video – not well yet, but hopefully it will be rock solid and fluid by the time I'm done and yes, once WebSocket support is in, it will be remotely controllable |
| [20:30:43] | stuartm: | you can already do the opposite, select a recording in the WebFrontend and it will be played on a chosen frontend, so in theory you could use the WebFrontend from a tablet as a super fancy remote control |
| [20:31:19] | justinh: | sounds great :) |
| [20:31:32] | justinh: | pity tablets don't have tactile screens |
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| [20:32:54] | tgm4883: | justinh: meh, just give me the ability to queue up a bunch of shows and toggle play/pause with my phone screen off from the volume buttons |
| [20:33:55] | stuartm: | tgm4883: I'm pretty sure there is in the wiki, but my advise would be to start by thinking of something that annoys you, hopefully something small then go looking for the code (grep is invaluable), see whether you can follow what is happening and perhaps you'll see an easy fix |
| [20:34:15] | tgm4883: | I don't understand why all of the developers for things like netflix make the volume controls control volume when using the chromecast. Why wouldn't I just use my TV volume for that. Give me a pause/play button instead, I use that far more than folume |
| [20:34:34] | tgm4883: | something that annoys me...... |
| [20:34:40] | ** tgm4883 looks at justinh ** | |
| [20:34:50] | tgm4883: | j/k |
| [20:36:24] | tgm4883: | I think all my annoyances are large scale things, eg. web-setup not done yet, recordings/videos split up in two sections |
| [20:36:42] | tgm4883: | not being able to initialize the DB without starting the backend |
| [20:36:55] | tgm4883: | or mythtv-setup |
| [20:36:56] | justinh: | yeah those are big things to tackle |
| [20:37:46] | justinh: | tgm4883: hey, I'm being very nice about mythbuntu these days. I've seen the light. And it's improved immeasurably |
| [20:38:01] | tgm4883: | yes it has |
| [20:38:17] | tgm4883: | I'd like to make it even better, which is why i'm looking at mythtv stuff now |
| [20:38:26] | knuth: | is webfrontend for mythtv? |
| [20:39:20] | justinh: | it will be, I gather |
| [20:49:29] | justinh: | anybody missing the mini preview video window in the PBB yet? heheheh |
| [20:49:44] | justinh: | I just remembered there used to be a video preview |
| [20:51:58] | justinh: | I kind of have plans to improve parental controls, make some more widgets for the UI... |
| [20:53:32] | justinh: | my kids can kind of work the frontend themselves now & I don't want em playing grownups recordings |
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| [20:55:09] | justinh: | and ever since messing with the painter code I've wanted an analogue clock widget. Just because |
| [20:55:29] | justinh: | oh, and once they're done, we can have speedo style DIAL indicators! |
| [20:56:30] | justinh: | smooth scrolling lists is on my want list too, but first things first |
| [21:03:47] | dekarl: | tgm4883: my remark was not 100% serious ;) XBMC has bling (and plonk). When I took it for a ride the last time basically nothing really worked but it had a polished surface. |
| [21:05:27] | dekarl: | justinh, seen http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=198833 ? |
| [21:05:56] | justinh: | yeah. it was only 14 pages then & TLDR |
| [21:07:22] | justinh: | they do like long threads, those guys |
| [21:11:06] | dekarl: | the first post is the important one "Ubuntu user can install it from my ppa: ppa:jlbarriere68/ppa https://launchpad.net/~jlbarriere68/+archive/ppa" ; ) |
| [21:11:36] | dekarl: | but its not using backend auto-discovery (when I tried it) boo |
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| [21:13:46] | Macer: | i just realized the xbmc mythtv client is skipping the commercials |
| [21:13:47] | Macer: | awesome |
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| [21:18:30] | justinh: | no longer XBMC? Kodi?! |
| [21:19:33] | Macer: | really? |
| [21:19:41] | Macer: | heh |
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| [21:33:52] | justinh: | gotham, static screen, crashy |
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| [21:39:59] | dekarl: | static screen sounds so negative => its flicker free! |
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| [21:44:02] | Macer: | haha |
| [21:45:17] | dekarl: | stuartm, vlc ios doesn't like the latest round of upnp changes (shows and connects to the backend but doesn't show the "Recordings/Music/Videos" selection beneth that |
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| [21:46:04] | dekarl: | also appears to use the one of the jpg icons without transparency |
| [21:46:47] | stuartm: | dekarl: the latter is because jpg doesn't support transparency |
| [21:47:06] | dekarl: | well, I wanted to say "it appears to not use the PNG" |
| [21:48:31] | justinh: | wow, they managed to make it just like the Pi version. Awesome |
| [21:48:45] | justinh: | what. is all the fuss about?! |
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| [22:10:11] | stuartm: | dekarl: I may ask you to collect some logs for me sometime over the weekend if you're around |
| [22:10:32] | dekarl: | saturday afternoon might work |
| [22:10:51] | dekarl: | the wireshark style logs? |
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| [22:13:39] | stuartm: | dekarl: backend logs with -v upnp and HTTPREQUEST_DEBUG=1 for starters |
| [22:15:01] | stuartm: | wireshark if I end up needing the other half of the conversation |
| [22:16:06] | stuartm: | --loglevel debug too, might as well get all the information possible |
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| [22:41:49] | stuartm: | dekarl: fwiw, desktop vlc does exactly the same thing, but it always has and I just assumed it was broken |
| [22:43:07] | stuartm: | however maybe it's not, since it works with another media server |
| [22:45:46] | stuartm: | could be the fact that we don't yet include the DLNA profile names in the response to GetProtocolInfo(), that was on my todo list |
| [22:46:52] | stuartm: | but if that were the case why would it even list the server |
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| [23:50:24] | stuartm: | dekarl: looks like it might be because we're returning the loopback address in the SSDP, and while most clients just ignore that VLC is attempting to use it |
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| [23:51:55] | stuartm: | will figure out the tidiest solution for filtering out the loopback device tomorrow |
| [23:51:59] | stuartm: | err, later today |
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