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| [09:10:35] | esperegu: | when I switch (dvb-s) to a BBC hd channel the video is flickering (audio works fine). If I then go back to the menu and then press live tv again in plays properly. anybody knows if that is fixable? |
| [09:14:57] | stuartm: | esperegu: which version of MythTV are you running? (mythfrontend --version) |
| [09:17:35] | esperegu: | stuartm: MythTV Version : v0.28-pre-2128-g88aeae5 |
| [09:20:44] | stuartm: | esperegu: ok, fairly recent then |
| [09:20:54] | esperegu: | stuartm: =) |
| [09:21:14] | stuartm: | not something that may have been fixed by recent livetv work |
| [09:23:07] | stuartm: | esperegu: this stuff is tricky, can work fine for one set of hardware specs but not another – I've no issue with flickering on BBC HD channels personally |
| [09:23:35] | esperegu: | stuartm: its when I switch from another channel to a bbc hd channel |
| [09:23:46] | stuartm: | yeah I understood |
| [09:23:47] | esperegu: | stuartm: the dutch hd channels work fine |
| [09:23:53] | esperegu: | also switching to them |
| [09:24:03] | stuartm: | Astra-2*? |
| [09:26:07] | stuartm: | esperegu: is this a frontend which is local to the backend or remote? |
| [09:26:11] | esperegu: | stuartm: bbc is on 28 and dutch on 23 |
| [09:26:18] | esperegu: | stuartm: local |
| [09:26:54] | esperegu: | stuartm: I made a recording on what happens: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8m6t6fjiR-- . . . ?usp=sharing |
| [09:27:18] | stuartm: | esperegu: ok, sounds like you're dealing with different versions of the BBC HD channels to me which may have different encoding parameters |
| [09:30:34] | esperegu: | stuartm: what u mean? |
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| [09:40:00] | stuartm: | esperegu: I'm watching BBC HD channels from the Astra 2 satellites in the UK, they won't be encoded the same way on different platforms e.g. another Satellite, IPTV, DVB-T, Cable etc |
| [09:40:25] | esperegu: | stuartm: I also use the astra 2 I suppose |
| [09:41:12] | esperegu: | stuartm: http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php |
| [09:41:16] | stuartm: | esperegu: well there are no Dutch channels on Astra 2, you'd have to point at a different constellation |
| [09:41:37] | esperegu: | stuartm: I have one lnb at 23 and one @28 |
| [09:42:26] | stuartm: | esperegu: ok now I understand what you meant by 'bbc is on 28 and dutch on 23' |
| [09:42:33] | stuartm: | I thought you mean the channel numbers |
| [09:42:36] | esperegu: | stuartm: =) |
| [09:42:43] | esperegu: | stuartm: sorry |
| [09:43:55] | stuartm: | are you using hardware decoding, vdpau or vaapi? |
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| [09:57:35] | esperegu: | stuartm: vdpau |
| [10:01:23] | dekarl: | esperegu: its not just you. I get that with our h.264 channels on vdpau, every now and then. |
| [10:01:55] | esperegu: | dekarl: hmm :-(. I get it everytime I switch to bbc hd though |
| [10:02:09] | dekarl: | IIRC its only one channel, I bet its something with their encoder settings being different |
| [10:02:39] | esperegu: | pretty annoying ;-) |
| [10:02:59] | esperegu: | let me check if its only one channel then. |
| [10:04:59] | dekarl: | esperegu: over here "flickering" means the frames appear to be out of temporal order on 720p50 streams |
| [10:05:25] | dekarl: | as if its playing 2-1-4–3 instead of 1-2-3–4 |
| [10:10:05] | stuartm: | dekarl: I suspect it's a "not enough frames buffered" issue, which only appears on some systems with high bitrate streams |
| [10:10:58] | esperegu: | dekarl: I uploaded a video to show what I mean |
| [10:11:10] | esperegu: | dekarl: I just also got in on channel 4 HD |
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| [10:12:55] | JrG: | hm |
| [10:12:58] | JrG: | Encoder 1 [ HDHOMERUN : 1040B086–0 ] is local on mythsci and is recording 'ABC7 Eyewitness News This Morning' on WLS-HD. This recording is scheduled to end at 6:00 AM. |
| [10:13:01] | JrG: | Encoder 2 [ HDHOMERUN : 1040B086–0 ] is local on mythsci and is not recording. |
| [10:13:07] | JrG: | wonder why that is showing twice in the status |
| [10:41:25] | stuartm: | virtual tuner |
| [10:43:33] | stuartm: | MythTV can record multiple channels simultaneously from a single physical digital tuner (channels must be on the same frequency), this was implemented internally by creating the concept of virtual tuners which point to a single physical tuner |
| [10:44:15] | stuartm: | by default it's configured to create two virtual tuners for each physical tuner, but this is configurable up to a limit of five |
| [10:45:33] | stuartm: | in North America were there are usually just two channels per frequency 2 virtual tuners is sufficient, in the rest of the world were you can get five or more channels per frequency you may want to increase the number in mythtv-setup |
| [10:46:27] | stuartm: | however be aware that not all devices can handle it, especially something like an HDHomeRun which is constrained by network bandwith, latency etc |
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| [12:00:11] | justinh_: | is anything on freeview HD 'high bitrate' ? Somehow doubt that |
| [12:00:36] | justinh_: | unless by 'high bitrate' we're now talking about > 2Mb |
| [12:01:37] | justinh_: | I've given up trying to make that dvb-t2 tuner work on my backend now. Anything I wanna watch in HD is on the BBC, so we iplayer it |
| [12:02:47] | justinh_: | stupid usb crap. I'm not even using it, and it was causing random system hangs – certainly not had any since I unplugged it |
| [12:03:36] | justinh_: | I'm gonna keep an eye out for the silicondust dual dvb-t2 tuner |
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| [14:00:35] | stuartm: | justinh_: freesat streams are still in the order of 9 Mbps for the video, which is high compared to most broadcast stuff |
| [14:00:45] | stuartm: | low compared to Bluray obviously |
| [14:01:07] | stuartm: | but the livetv code is tweaked against broadcast |
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| [20:08:43] | justinh_: | freeviewhd seems to be around the same as freesat – likely exactly the same. I've not had issues playing test recordings from HD channels with vdpau – but they were never made on the same machine. same driver, same kernel version.. same aerial connection & location. On the backend it gets repetitive BER problems but not on my laptop. Weird |
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| [20:23:15] | ** justinh wonders if the linuxtv wiki is fixed yet ** | |
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| [20:50:39] | justinh: | nope. pity |
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| [21:18:28] | justinh: | gah. another blimmin freeview channel reshuffle?! So they can 'make room' for more general entertainment channels? What room? |
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| [21:26:09] | AndyCap: | justinh: crank the compression button up a couple of more notches |
| [21:27:40] | justinh: | even that won't do the job enough for complete channels. I suspect more useless part time channels |
| [21:28:28] | stuartm: | justinh: oh heard a mention of a new shuffle, do you know the date? |
| [21:29:06] | justinh: | no I've only seen a nag screen on my telly about it |
| [21:29:13] | justinh: | I think it's only kids channels moving |
| [21:29:56] | justinh: | tomorrow! |
| [21:30:06] | justinh: | http://www.a516digital.com/2014/08/faq-freevi . . . anges-3.html |
| [21:30:17] | stuartm: | Digitalspy used to be the source of all my information on this stuff, but in the last couple of years it's evolved into a celebrity gossip site with no technical info at all |
| [21:31:07] | AndyCap: | stuartm: that's the whole internet. thanks to these feed aggregators |
| [21:31:09] | justinh: | sigh. more +1 channels. It's like streaming & DVRs don't exist |
| [21:31:27] | justinh: | yeah DS is just clickbait junk now |
| [21:31:34] | stuartm: | justinh: "Viewers who don't retune and don't have a TV or box that automatically retunes are being advised by the BBC, Digital UK and Freeview that they will continue to able to watch the channels at their old numbers." |
| [21:31:39] | stuartm: | so they are just re-numbering |
| [21:31:45] | stuartm: | not actually moving anything |
| [21:32:02] | justinh: | oh so LCN swaps don't need a rescan? Phew |
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| [21:41:38] | justinh: | maybe these 'new' channels are more about IPTV. another waste of space. They shouldn't be pushing paid for telly on freeview. Kind of defeats the reason it exists |
| [21:42:26] | justinh: | anybody here still using uk_rt or has everybody moved to atlas now? |
| [21:42:58] | justinh: | idly trying to sort out itv4+1 epg data. Only for completeness sakes |
| [21:43:32] | justinh: | tsod.plus-1.freeview.itv4.itv.co.uk is supposed to be the id, but it's not working |
| [21:43:48] | stuartm: | I'm using uk_rt, atlas lacks stuff, not because it's missing from the source data but because the author of the atlas grabber is a dick |
| [21:44:20] | stuartm: | uk_rt is not being updated and is missing some channels now |
| [21:44:55] | justinh: | ouch |
| [21:45:48] | justinh: | ah now I see. channel54 doesn't have no data after all. itv4+1 is on the air for all of 04:00 to 05:30. If it wasn't so lame it'd be funny |
| [21:45:52] | stuartm: | the hope is that Nick or someone else will resume working on the uk_rt replacement, Nick's been too busy to do it himself, wish I had the time to do it but I really don't |
| [21:46:41] | justinh: | I thought the atlas grabber was being done by atlas themselves. hey ho |
| [21:47:33] | justinh: | is the atlas grabber open sourced? can't it just be forked? |
| [21:47:49] | stuartm: | nah, some guy who doesn't use MythTV and is only interested in having 'his' grabber provide the data that his application needs (couldn't give a shit about MythTV users) |
| [21:48:35] | stuartm: | justinh: well Nick had one that includes all his fixups, starting from that might be better |
| [21:48:58] | justinh: | the fixups are still needed? meh |
| [21:50:07] | stuartm: | justinh: stuff like marking everything on an HD channel as HD even if it's not tagged as such in the guide data |
| [21:51:40] | stuartm: | or inferring other stuff from the atlas data to populate the xmltv fields where there isn't a direct mapping |
| [21:54:27] | stuartm: | it will all get sorted eventually, even if I have to sacrifice any sort of life to do it myself |
| [21:57:09] | justinh: | doesn't look as scary as I thought it would |
| [21:57:57] | stuartm: | well done that man, knew someone would volunteer |
| [21:59:32] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:00:12] | justinh: | so what's up with it? is it at least useable? what needs adding? other than the fixups xmltv already has? |
| [22:01:08] | stuartm: | justinh: actually not too sure, dekarl seems to know it all |
| [22:01:19] | stuartm: | or certainly much more than I do |
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| [22:01:47] | justinh: | less than 2000 lines, I think most of it's comments |
| [22:01:50] | stuartm: | dekarl: ^^ we're talking about Nick's atlas grabber vs the uk_atlas grabber |
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| [22:12:09] | justinh: | wow, the retirement of the rt feed has been coming for longer than I remember |
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| [22:17:16] | dekarl: | justinh: stuartm: you talking about this guy who forked tv_grab_uk_atlas and started to readd fixups similar to Nick's tv_grab_uk_rt? https://code.launchpad.net/~ta264/+junk/fix_xmltv |
| [22:17:51] | dekarl: | stuartm, maybe you can get a developer preview of nick's atlas port of his grabber? |
| [22:18:27] | stuartm: | dekarl: no, if I heard of that one I must have forgotten already, I was thinking of what Nick was working on |
| [22:18:45] | stuartm: | dekarl: I'll email him tomorrow |
| [22:19:06] | stuartm: | (Nick) |
| [22:19:20] | dekarl: | man, all the open source work around Atlas makes me sad... Or better said the lack thereof |
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| [22:26:48] | justinh: | yeah well, somebody has to do something or we'll all end up having EIT for dinner every night |
| [22:31:06] | justinh: | gotta find my API key now. I got one ages ago |
| [22:31:24] | justinh: | that was another thing. the atlas api signup pages were broken for ages too |
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