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| [01:18:54] | Blue1: | !plugins |
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| [01:20:43] | Blue1: | where can I download the 0.27.3 mythtv plugins? I can't seem to find them anywhere |
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| [01:25:56] | [R]: | the plugins is part of the main tar |
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| [01:30:35] | Blue1: | [R]: thanks I'll look |
| [01:31:02] | Blue1: | found thank you! |
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| [06:51:46] | toeb: | Anyone else experiencing big lags (>10s) when sheduling a new recording from the program guide? I'm running master.. |
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| [07:40:23] | toeb: | seem like the AddNewRecords in the scheduler is causing the big delay: http://pastebin.com/jvHdH6DB |
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| [08:13:31] | dekarl: | toeb, you may want to enable mysql's slow queries log if you suspect your database to handle some queries badly. and run mysqltuner.pl |
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| [09:51:39] | toeb: | dekarl: slow query log shows the query which is created in programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp line 4030 |
| [09:52:13] | toeb: | which is quite complicated... i'll also try mysqltuner. |
| [10:00:15] | toeb: | ok mysqtuner found some issues, i'll check those... |
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| [10:59:54] | toeb: | I followed the mysqltuner recommendations but it does not really improve reschudule times. All i have achieved is mysqltuner now complaining to need more RAM.. |
| [11:00:36] | toeb: | this is the queury from slowquery log: http://pastebin.com/Hvcuua81 |
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| [11:07:07] | dekarl: | toeb: here's my output for comparison http://paste.ubuntu.com/7829718/ |
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| [11:28:53] | toeb: | dekarl: would you mind to post a reschedule with -v schedule ? |
| [11:30:14] | toeb: | in mine ( http://pastebin.com/jvHdH6DB ) the line 71 looks suspicious to me: "6864 results in 11.2487 sec" |
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| [11:47:12] | dekarl: | toeb: can't restart right now. initial schedule is: Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2239 (HandleReschedule) Scheduled 609 items in 15.6 = 14.12 match + 0.57 check + 0.86 place |
| [11:48:21] | dekarl: | I let mysqltuner.pl run multiple times and added bigger memory caches multiple times. now everything works well |
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| [12:07:58] | toeb: | seems quit long to me too, IIRC some month ago schedule time for me was ~3–4s for ~520 items.. |
| [12:18:46] | dekarl: | the amount of work to do for the scheduler depends on the number of channels/video sources/input devices/recording rules/days of guide |
| [12:19:18] | dekarl: | so just by running for some time you added more "programmes that have been recorded in the past" for the scheduler to keep track of |
| [12:19:35] | dekarl: | with limited memory for the database you may have crossed some treshhold |
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| [13:07:07] | toeb: | i recently actually did add another recorder, and also increased the number of virtutal recorders on my other recorders... |
| [13:08:04] | toeb: | so in conclusion scheduling times > 10s is normal behavior right? |
| [13:08:38] | sphery: | increased the number of virtual tuners to? |
| [13:09:17] | toeb: | sphery: yes |
| [13:09:23] | sphery: | to what |
| [13:09:29] | sphery: | how many |
| [13:09:41] | toeb: | have to check |
| [13:09:49] | sphery: | if > 5, that causes excessively long reschedules (which is why we limit it to 5 in the UI) |
| [13:10:22] | sphery: | but if you have 5 or less and have a large number of physical cards, the >10s reschedule may be what your system will be able to achieve |
| [13:10:30] | sphery: | ideally, though, your reschedules should take <1s |
| [13:11:33] | toeb: | 4 physical devices, each set to 4 simultanious recordings |
| [13:11:50] | sphery: | ok, that shouldn't be too bad |
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| [13:12:13] | sphery: | oh, and I meant <10s |
| [13:13:22] | sphery: | but if you have lots of channels (which includes "the same" channels on multiple video sources), and/or lots of rules, and/or lots of history, it could take longer |
| [13:15:36] | sphery: | or if your system is too slow (CPU/RAM) or with poor MySQL configuration (such as having MySQL data on a file system with barriers enabled and not having sufficiently fast drives), you could have long reschedules |
| [13:16:18] | sphery: | toeb: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/536631#536631 |
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| [13:17:33] | sphery: | actually, that's not the one I wanted... |
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| [13:23:14] | toeb: | database is on btrfs, it seems like barriers are enabled by default... |
| [13:26:31] | sphery: | I won't say to disable barriers--as they're on for the protection of your file system |
| [13:26:45] | sphery: | you can actually get reasonable performance with them enabled, given sufficient hardware |
| [13:26:53] | sphery: | and proper MySQL configuration |
| [13:27:35] | sphery: | also, if your tables in MySQL are InnoDB, that will require significantly more tuning of MySQL than if they're MyISAM (which they should be if your schema is valid) |
| [13:28:14] | sphery: | but since yours is around 10s, it may not be worth worrying about |
| [13:28:26] | sphery: | reschedule is typically a few seconds |
| [13:28:49] | sphery: | on a well-configured system |
| [13:29:32] | sphery: | and yours is ~3–4x that, so by Fermi estimation, yours is the same :) |
| [13:30:46] | toeb: | ok, so nothing to worry about? |
| [13:30:56] | sphery: | probably not |
| [13:33:22] | sphery: | I'd say it's only worth worrying about if your system starts missing recordings or if the reschedule time goes way up (to the multiple 10s of seconds--especially as it approaches 1min) |
| [13:33:36] | toeb: | it came to my attention because if you use the Guide in livetv to schedule new recording by pressing "R" it takes very long until you get any feedback on the sheduling status. Which make my wife press "R" repeatatly... |
| [13:34:21] | sphery: | yeah, that's not ideal |
| [13:35:28] | sphery: | though whether it's worth the time it would take to improve the reschedule time--especially considering it's likely you'll still be in the ~5s time frame if you get things working ideally--as opposed to just living with it is another question |
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| [13:58:48] | toeb: | yes it may be better to have a look at the guid, and how one could get immediate feedback.. |
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| [15:01:45] | justinh: | toeb: the frontend could just say "requested that XX program be scheduled to record" – some feedback might be better than none |
| [15:03:33] | justinh: | I periodically trim out ancient recording schedules. It makes no sense for the DVR to look back 8 years to see if a one-off showing is going to be on again in the next 14 days |
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| [15:05:42] | justinh: | further improving the scheduler would probably entail removing functionality a lot of us don't use – which wouldn't be at all popular |
| [15:06:59] | justinh: | never used channel or tuner priorities & likely wouldn't lament individual show priorities biting the dust either |
| [15:11:04] | justinh: | toeb: you can also iprove the speed of the scheduler by cutting down the number of tuners & channels. A system with one digital tuner split into the default of two tuners is much faster to schedule than 3 tuners with a max of 5 virtual tuners |
| [15:11:20] | justinh: | and if there are channels you can live without, do away with em |
| [15:11:55] | justinh: | no point carrying shopping/evangelical/whatever channels if all they're doing is slowing the scheduler down |
| [15:14:06] | justinh: | hmm. maybe it wouldn't be hard to optimise the scheduler like this – if channel/tuner priorities are all the same – don't put them into the query |
| [15:14:27] | justinh: | assuming they make *that* much difference |
| [15:14:54] | AndyCap: | I guess putting 2000+ channels into mythtv would be a bad idea then. |
| [15:15:22] | justinh: | depends what your expectations of the scheduler are ;-) |
| [15:15:32] | AndyCap: | finishing. :) |
| [15:15:43] | justinh: | and how long your previous recordings go back.. etc |
| [15:16:02] | AndyCap: | been thinking about putting up the old satellite dish again. |
| [15:20:52] | justinh: | I've been thinking about being able to live without mythtv again. never mind cutting the cable cord. Cutting the aerial cable |
| [15:21:48] | AndyCap: | I dunno, I watch some TV still. |
| [15:22:11] | justinh: | nah I mean get everything online |
| [15:22:41] | justinh: | it's not good though. Still to restrictive etc |
| [15:22:46] | justinh: | *too |
| [15:23:30] | justinh: | so anwyay, what's on these 2000+ satellite channels? |
| [15:23:41] | AndyCap: | justinh: mostly a freak show. |
| [15:24:08] | justinh: | I'm not sure that in the history of television not enough worthy material has been made to fill even 1000 channels |
| [15:24:10] | AndyCap: | so it's not exactly mythtv worthy content. but I need some UI for browsing. |
| [15:25:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:25:36] | AndyCap: | the production values on iraqi talk shows were pretty low. |
| [15:25:37] | justinh: | I tried putting some music vids on for my daughter when I was at my folks house yesterday – on XBMC. seems the youtube plugin runs into issues with 'official' music vids |
| [15:25:51] | AndyCap: | ah, yes, youtube is a treadmill |
| [15:25:58] | justinh: | and BBC iPlayer is *Still* borked |
| [15:26:13] | AndyCap: | I use youtube-dl from time to time, and it breaks often enough. |
| [15:26:35] | AndyCap: | last it was something something "encrypted javascript player" |
| [15:26:36] | justinh: | anyway I found a couple of 'music video' plugins – one of which had a 'pop' category – which was fine if you like Michael jackson |
| [15:27:14] | AndyCap: | so no eastern european band playing accordions while standing in a river beating each other with fish. |
| [15:27:16] | justinh: | but if you search for the damn artists videos with a file extension.. tada! Annoying |
| [15:28:03] | justinh: | my teevee doesn't even show youtube ads. everything seems to just work (TM) |
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| [15:35:05] | AndyCap: | nice |
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| [16:49:00] | toeb: | justinh: i'll test your suggestions, will see how scheduling speed changes, but i still think creating a notificiation would be the best solution... |
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| [16:56:01] | justinh: | ARGHH. The big TV is dead. Bought on 1st May. No power at all. Fuse in the plug is OK. GRRRR |
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| [16:58:45] | justinh: | customer service helpline gave me the usual schtick about calling tech support. I axed that & a new one is coming out on Thursday. If that one fails I'm getting a refund & buying a samsung or something |
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| [17:11:27] | toeb: | deleting old recording rules and setting the virtual tuner count for all devices to 2 brought the scheduling time down to 7s |
| [17:14:11] | justinh: | I'd be tempted to look at the scheduler query to remove the priority stuff too. Who needs all that? |
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| [17:17:15] | justinh: | so much for the 'spare' tv being 1080P.. had to restart X |
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| [17:21:04] | justinh: | gonna put a couple of MOVs in the power extension block before the new telly comes. Not that a surge should likely destroy a modern PSU |
| [17:21:32] | justinh: | depends on the surge I suppose, but nothing else in the house got fried |
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| [17:41:17] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: Time to move? |
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| [18:03:49] | justinh: | SteveGoodey: we just got here |
| [18:04:21] | justinh: | judging by the lack of resistance to swapping the TV, they've seen it a lot |
| [18:08:59] | justinh: | cutting out MOVs from a SMPSU is hardly a smart cost saving move but I've seen it happen |
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| [18:54:14] | justinh: | gah again. 2 instances of mythfrontend started up when I restarted X earlier. man, why? |
| [19:02:44] | justinh: | oo apparently iPlayer is fixed |
| [19:03:07] | justinh: | yes, it is :-) |
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| [19:10:18] | KungFuJesus: | so if I enter remotely accessible IP addresses in mythtv-setup for the master backend, then what does that mythfrontend connect over running on the same machine? |
| [19:10:33] | KungFuJesus: | is it smart enough to do localhost, or will it try to connect via the remotely accessible IP? |
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| [19:11:35] | KungFuJesus: | I ask this because I used to populate those fields with hostnames, and that hostname was in my /etc/hosts as loopback |
| [19:11:52] | justinh: | it won't be smart enough – it'll just use the IP address you told it |
| [19:11:57] | KungFuJesus: | and all other machines resolved it properly. This doesn't seem any longer possible, it seems to fail |
| [19:12:47] | justinh: | I thought you could use hostnames these days anyway |
| [19:13:37] | KungFuJesus: | You used to be able to, I recently bumped up to 0.27.1 with a specific revision on the fixes branch |
| [19:15:16] | KungFuJesus: | I think this was the commit I was on: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c930a . . . 747ce4ebf7b6 |
| [19:16:14] | justinh: | can't you just give the machine 2 IP addresses? |
| [19:16:14] | KungFuJesus: | maybe it's been fixed, I'm not sure. I see some QT code in the latest fixes afterward that seem to do something with QHostAddress validation |
| [19:19:08] | KungFuJesus: | it has two IP addresses. Unless you mean mythtv-setup allows you to specify 2 |
| [19:22:57] | justinh: | sounds like a job for NAT, says the guy who hasn't dabbled much in linux networking beyond simple setups |
| [19:30:47] | KungFuJesus: | by remotely accessible I mean not link local |
| [19:31:06] | KungFuJesus: | so NAT has no role in this |
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| [19:53:41] | dekarl: | toeb, mind to share the output of mysqltuner? you said "mysqltuner now complaining to need more RAM.." which could refer to sorting on disk and similar slow stuff |
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| [20:07:47] | justinh: | how come there are so many non-indexed entries? |
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| [20:46:34] | justinh: | nice move, BBC. annoying popups onscreen reminding us the commonwealth games of sport are on |
| [20:47:19] | dekarl1: | Is it at least "closed" MHEG Popups instead of "open" burned in popups? |
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| [20:53:45] | justinh: | MHEG I think |
| [20:57:09] | justinh: | still annoying though. Unnecessary & annoying |
| [20:57:26] | dekarl: | hmm, could add a "disable MHEG autorun" setting :) |
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| [20:59:32] | justinh: | I'll just disable MHEG altogether |
| [20:59:44] | justinh: | I hate screen junk |
| [21:02:35] | justinh: | then again, getting the 'green button' junk working would be nice. Links to set recordings from trailers are cool as |
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| [23:58:59] | splurben: | What's the best way to find orphan LiveTV and Recordings on 0.27.1? None of the old python scripts seem to work. |
| [23:59:11] | skd5aner: | hmmm, my hd-pvr is acting funny... I'm constantly getting lines like " |
| [23:59:11] | skd5aner: | 2014-07–21 19:58:23.522221 I [19887/19905] TVRecEvent tv_rec.cpp:3955 (TuningSignalCheck) – TVRec[1]: TuningSignalCheck: Still waiting. Will timeout @ 20:00:00.000 |
| [23:59:11] | skd5aner: | " |
| [23:59:48] | skd5aner: | splurben: this should – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
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