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| [10:51:14] | niobos: | I have a question regarding channel management. e.g. I receive a channel in 3 different ways: in SD over DVB-T and DVB-S; and in HD over DVB-S. The different versions have "substantially identical" content, so I should give the the same callsign. This will tell Myth that "this channel" recordings have a choice of these 3 channels |
| [10:51:19] | niobos: | is this correct? |
| [10:52:08] | niobos: | If I also give these the same channel number, I get the same behaviour for watching Live (i.e., zapping to channel-whatever will pick one of these 3) |
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| [10:52:52] | niobos: | But what is the correct way to tell myth that I prefer HD over SD (DVB-S) over SD (DVB-T)? |
| [10:53:07] | niobos: | I've read about input priorities (which I don't think is what I'm after) |
| [10:53:59] | niobos: | Also: how can I express the amount of preference? "I'd rather have a later showing on the good tuner" vs "I'd rather have the first showing, even if it's the 2nd best tuner"? |
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| [11:03:38] | niobos: | and (I'm being really picky) change my mind on a per-recording basis (I really want this show in HD) |
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| [11:13:20] | Merlin83b: | Hi niobos. Take a look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Custom_Recording for some things that may help you out. |
| [11:14:40] | ** niobos heads there now ** | |
| [11:16:13] | niobos: | Merlin83b: that answers my last question (recording specific); but what about the general case: I'd like to tell myth that, when I record whatever and the HD tuner is available, to use that |
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| [11:18:54] | Merlin83b: | The first rule on that page should make mythtv prefer hd over sd content (with a bit of fiddling to not make it be about soccer) |
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| [11:20:40] | Merlin83b: | But I do see what you mean, it is recording specific. |
| [11:21:10] | Merlin83b: | I don't know of a way to do what you want – I'd like the same thing, being in the UK and getting Freesat and Freeview. |
| [11:21:20] | Merlin83b: | So really an identical situation. |
| [11:23:46] | niobos: | Merlin83b: ok, thanks anyway; I'll look further (on this chan and web) |
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| [11:28:39] | sphery: | niobos: as you said, you don't want input priorities |
| [11:29:03] | sphery: | If you're on MythTV 0.27+, you want channel priorities. If you're on an earlier version of MythTV, you want to upgrade. |
| [11:29:43] | sphery: | assuming you always want the HDTV channels to take priority over SDTV channels |
| [11:30:05] | sphery: | if your guide data actually marks HDTV shows as HDTV, you can use the HDTV priority (in settings) instead |
| [11:30:14] | sphery: | but that's 100% dependent on listings data |
| [11:30:43] | Merlin83b: | Ooh, didn't know that was there! |
| [11:30:57] | niobos: | I've also just found http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /344872.html |
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| [11:31:21] | niobos: | sphery: My listings are crap to the point that I'm considdering scraping my own data |
| [11:31:35] | sphery: | note that the HDTV priority is getting less and less useful since more and more content is actually aired in HDTV (so on many channels, they assume all of it is and they don't mark content as HDTV) |
| [11:31:45] | Merlin83b: | Thanks sphery, that'll do the trick for me. |
| [11:32:07] | dekarl: | niobos, which country are we talking about? |
| [11:32:11] | Merlin83b: | The UK freesat epg seems to be good – marking things as HD when they are. |
| [11:32:15] | sphery: | niobos: that post is why if you're not using 0.27+, you want to upgrade |
| [11:32:16] | niobos: | dekarl: Belgium |
| [11:33:06] | sphery: | because before 0.27, if you set priority on a channel it would affect what you record, rather than just affecting where shows it decides to record should be recorded |
| [11:33:31] | niobos: | sphery: I'm using what is currently in Ubuntu: 0.27.0+fixes.20140324.8ee257c-0ubuntu2: al |
| [11:33:52] | sphery: | in 0.27, we've changed it so that it decides what to record and will then factor in channel priority to determine where to record it |
| [11:34:00] | sphery: | should be good then, so channel prio will work |
| [11:34:08] | niobos: | Abount EPG HDTV bits: doesn't that just mark the content as being HD, vs upscaled SD? |
| [11:34:17] | sphery: | you can either use negative priority on SDTV channels or positive on HDTV |
| [11:34:26] | niobos: | Myth should still know which channels actually keep the HD and don't downscale everything back to SD? |
| [11:34:30] | dekarl: | niobos, hmm, I don't know a service for belgium, the next would be france, maybe they carry your channels, too? http://www.kazer.org/all-channels.html |
| [11:34:46] | sphery: | for the most part the EPG HDTV stuff means whatever the specific channel decides it means |
| [11:35:10] | niobos: | dekarl: I'll check it out, but I'll doubt it; language barriers and stuff |
| [11:35:11] | sphery: | some do it like you suggest, some put it on everything (even upscaled SDTV), some put it on nothing (even original HDTV content) |
| [11:35:29] | sphery: | that's why I think the HDTV priority isn't very useful |
| [11:35:37] | niobos: | but I'd need a per-channel EPG then, not a per-callsign EPG? |
| [11:36:10] | sphery: | well, for one, you really shouldn't be using "this channel" filter at all |
| [11:36:20] | niobos: | anyway, seems like with 0.27+ I can just use channel prio and be done with it |
| [11:36:27] | sphery: | but if you do, you still have to have guide data on all the channels with the same call sign |
| [11:36:32] | niobos: | and maybe fix the occational special case with custom recordings |
| [11:36:51] | sphery: | otherwise, they don't have "substantially identical" content (one of them has no content :) |
| [11:37:09] | niobos: | indeed |
| [11:37:24] | niobos: | what do you recommend as better solution to "this channel" rules? |
| [11:37:24] | sphery: | you wouldn't need custom recordings unless it's a consistently-special case |
| [11:37:55] | niobos: | Yeah, I tend to pick out these consistent special cases at an above-average rate... let's not go there ;-) |
| [11:38:06] | sphery: | if it's an occasional special case (like, "record this one even though there's a later showing in HDTV because I want to record something else when that HDTV version airs"), use overrides |
| [11:38:38] | sphery: | i.e. "record this episode" or "don't record" or whatever overrides |
| [11:39:40] | sphery: | as far as "this channel", the best solution is to just not use it--let everything be an "any channel" rule |
| [11:39:43] | niobos: | I find myself using "this channel" rules mostly as a fix for bad EPG data |
| [11:40:14] | sphery: | bad data meaning... |
| [11:40:33] | niobos: | channel A airs something; channel B re-runs it |
| [11:40:45] | niobos: | but EPG doesn't cary consistent subtitle/episode numbers |
| [11:41:02] | niobos: | so I need to disable dup-detection to record episode 2 |
| [11:41:06] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that's a valid use case |
| [11:41:11] | niobos: | but that also records episode 1-rerun |
| [11:41:16] | sphery: | garbage in = garbage recording rules :) |
| [11:41:20] | niobos: | as I said, crap EPG |
| [11:41:36] | niobos: | I'll have to fix that sooner rather than later |
| [11:41:49] | sphery: | anyway, as well as setting channel priorities, make sure you set your Schedule Order and Live TV order (as described in the post you linked) |
| [11:42:54] | sphery: | if you do end up creating a scraper (and doing so is legal/doesn't violate any terms of service), you may want to consider doing it as a full-fledged XMLTV grabber |
| [11:42:57] | niobos: | Yes, I'm still not 100% sure how the schedule order & the channel priority interact, since in my case, all 3 versions of the channel are on different inputs |
| [11:43:04] | sphery: | then others can benefit |
| [11:43:08] | dekarl: | niobos: give us a shout over at #nonametv if you want to become a guide provider yourself. Joakim has 1/3 of this list covered IIRC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Televis . . . s_in_Belgium |
| [11:43:09] | sphery: | and others can help |
| [11:43:39] | niobos: | I'm not sure that I'll be able to stay within terms of service... |
| [11:43:57] | sphery: | as you may have noticed, dekarl will be a great source of info if you get involved on the grabber side |
| [11:44:33] | niobos: | I'll talk to him on #nonametv |
| [11:45:50] | sphery: | good luck, and let us know if your rules/scheduling aren't working out the way you want them to |
| [11:46:17] | sphery: | you should be able to make it work--the challenge is just finding exactly how to configure everything |
| [11:46:34] | sphery: | but you should be on the right track, now |
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| [11:58:42] | niobos: | thx sphery I'll be around then |
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