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Saturday, June 21st, 2014, 00:00 UTC

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mattwj2002:

Hydr0p0nX: I am thinking about getting some cable cards and rebuilding my mythtv boxo

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mattwj2002:

*box

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mattwj2002:

they encrypted everything :(

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Hydr0p0nX:

oh wow

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Hydr0p0nX:

I'm pretty happy w/ my ceton

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Hydr0p0nX:

spent the last 3 months arguing with Charter about their set up

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mattwj2002:

Hydr0p0nX: I should say they have encrypted all of the clearqam

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mattwj2002:

I will think the cable card would be copy freely for most stuff

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mattwj2002:

*still not will

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Hydr0p0nX:

yea

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Hydr0p0nX:

they are converting my neighborhood to all digital in about 3–4 weeks

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Hydr0p0nX:

got the letter about it today, does mean I get to drop and re-add all my channels

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mattwj2002:

Hydr0p0nX: what does the letter say exactly?

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Hydr0p0nX:

they are going all digital, so a set top box (or cable card) will be required for all tvs in the home

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Hydr0p0nX:

they'll provide either one at no additional charge for 12 months

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Hydr0p0nX:

more upgrades to internet pipe

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mattwj2002:

ah

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Hydr0p0nX:

more HD channels (175+) and packages will be changing a little as a result

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mattwj2002:

well Comcast first converted everything to digital and then they encyrpted everything about 12 months later

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Hydr0p0nX:

charters already been doing that to quite a few channels

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Hydr0p0nX:

cable card handles it just fine though

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Hydr0p0nX:

get much more of an internet upgrade from them and i might just let a friend of mine pay 1/2 my cable bill and use 2 of my tuners

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Hydr0p0nX:

lol

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

Hydr0p0nX: I have been lazy

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mattwj2002:

I need to get my cable cards and get it setup

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Hydr0p0nX:

my only complaint is the board I'm using needed the pci-e slots spaced a little better

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mattwj2002:

eton has like 4 cable cards right?

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Hydr0p0nX:

4 tuners

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Hydr0p0nX:

1 card

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mattwj2002:

nice hehe

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Hydr0p0nX:

the new ceton is 6 tuners

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mattwj2002:

one card?

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mattwj2002:

:O

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Hydr0p0nX:

yea

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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mattwj2002:

*evil grin*

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mattwj2002:

Hydr0p0nX: check this out

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mattwj2002:

http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-6-ethernet/

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wagnerrp:

six is the maximum allowed by cablecard

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wagnerrp:

six streams per cablecard

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Hydr0p0nX:

yep

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mattwj2002:

oh okay

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Hydr0p0nX:

they make a pci-e version i think

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mattwj2002:

they do :)

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Hydr0p0nX:

is there somewhere I can see what the remote is sending to myth?

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[R]:

myth doesnt talk to remotes

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wagnerrp:

you're looking for 'irw'

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Hydr0p0nX:

thanks

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JohnQ:

It sems that in the mythvideo "listings" view, you can delete files from the UI with the 'd' key, but you cannot delete directories. (Even empty ones). Is there a trick I dont know? Or is this just an oversight in the design?

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JohnQ:

(0.27)

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Jay2k1:

hmm, i can confirm the "i" menu which offers a delete option on files does not do so on directories in the video view

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JohnQ:

Yep. And 'd' brings up a confirmation to delete a file, and does nothing on dirs. Feels like a deliberate omission, but I cant think why.

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JohnQ:

Are you using 0.27 or 0.27.1?

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Jay2k1:

MythTV Version : v0.27.1-15-g050bf9d

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JohnQ:

Ah. So I shouldn't expect upgrading to fix it :-)

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Jay2k1:

hehe, no

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wagnerrp:

JohnQ: it's more the fact that we don't track directories, so we can't delete them

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i don't even believe there is a way to delete directories through the backend protocol

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JohnQ:

Ouch.

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JohnQ:

So... I'm going to need to make a cron job to find and delete empty directories periodically.

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JohnQ:

It is strange, because if you have an empty directory on the filesystem, it does not show up in the list view... but if you delete the last file out of a directory, it stays behind.

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wagnerrp:

again, because we do not track directories

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wagnerrp:

they only show up as a consequence of a tree structure being built out of the metadata

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wagnerrp:

the path to the file just being one tree structure we can build off the metadata

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JohnQ:

Right... but when deleting an element from the tree structure, if its parent becomes a leaf, then wouldnt it make sense to remove the parent too?

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JohnQ:

(For consistency)

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JohnQ:

Not a big deal. Just feels odd.

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wagnerrp:

no, because the tree is generated off the stored metadata, not the filesystem

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JohnQ:

Why does that matter?

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Jay2k1:

still, from a user's perspective, if you can delete files it makes sense that you can also delete directories, i can understand that the inability to do so is confusing

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wagnerrp:

we would need a special hook in there for that specific view mode, so the UI knew it was dealing with a real tree structure, rather than a generated one

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wagnerrp:

or, we would need the UI to trawl the filesystem on every delete and look for empty directories

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JohnQ:

I can make a cron job to do that.

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Jay2k1:

why on every delete

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Jay2k1:

can't you just add a general delete option and if that is called, check if the directory is empty just then?

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wagnerrp:

isn't that on every delete?

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean check if the directory the file existed in was empty?

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Jay2k1:

i meant when calling the delete button on a directory

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wagnerrp:

that's the thing, it's not a directory

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wagnerrp:

it's just a node in the generated tree structure

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wagnerrp:

a tree structure that happens to be generated based off the filesystem

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JohnQ:

Im not sure I follow why the source of the tree structure matters. I mean, a node is either a leaf (video file) or an interior node (dir or grouping of some kind). So, if you delete a leaf node (file), then the parent of that leaf node becomes a leaf as a result, then it must have been a directory/grouping which is now empty... and could be removed from the generated tree structure (Even if the filesystem is not touched).

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wagnerrp:

you're saying when you delete the last video from a node, the node remains?

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JohnQ:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

then the delete function is just half assed in general

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JohnQ:

Hah yep.

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Jay2k1:

that's what we're saying basically

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Jay2k1:

huh

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Jay2k1:

is it all just in videometadata?

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wagnerrp:

and a handful of other tables

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JohnQ:

On a different topic: I also have a bug in which the name of the file on the filesystem is not reflected in the listing (even after forcing a scan, or a reboot).

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Jay2k1:

i can't seem to find my (now empty) test directory in the db

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Jay2k1:

it is still being shown in mythvideo though

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JohnQ:

Thats what he said..

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JohnQ:

Dirs arent tracked.

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JohnQ:

Only files are.

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Jay2k1:

that is interesting, now it disappeared

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JohnQ:

Right, because you reloaded it somehow.

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Jay2k1:

well JohnQ, if it builds that node tree, the parent nodes have to occur there too right?

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wagnerrp:

if you exit the video library and wait a few seconds, or initiate a scan, it will refresh the whole tree

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wagnerrp:

the location of the file in the tree will be updated after a scan

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JohnQ:

wagnerrp: Was that about my "different topic" or Jay2k1's comment?

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wagnerrp:

however the name of the file itself, used by the view mode, will always be generated off the metadata

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wagnerrp:

that only gets set by the filesystem once, when the video filename is first parsed

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Jay2k1:

ok so i created a directory and touched a .mpg file inside, then i told mythvideo to rescan, which made the test folder appear. then i entered it and removed the test mpg via mythvideo. i then exited mythvideo to the main menu of mythfrontend

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Jay2k1:

after doing so, entering mythvideo does not show the empty directory anymore

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JohnQ:

Right... but if I create a file in a directory and call it "CanYouSeeMe", and rescan, and instead of "CanYouSeeMe" I get ""Deadliest Catch – The Bait 2x06..."

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Jay2k1:

i didn't have to issue a rescan

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JohnQ:

Jay2k1: Thats expected.

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Jay2k1:

re-entering mythvideo is not an option for you then?

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Jay2k1:

i thought the empty dir would just stay in mythvideo forever

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wagnerrp:

the video library hashes all files it scans, so that if you move the file, it can detect the move, and update the location of the video in the database during the next scan

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wagnerrp:

your empty file is going to have the exact same hash as any other empty file

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Jay2k1:

hmm, i'll dd some /dev/random into it

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JohnQ:

None of these files are empty.

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Jay2k1:

my test file was

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JohnQ:

Sorry I should say none of *my* files are empty.

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JohnQ:

Even stranger... when I create a second file ("CanyouSeeMe2" with different file content) iot also apears in the UI after a scan as "Deadliest Catch – The Bait 2x06..."

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JohnQ:

*it (not iot)

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Jay2k1:

same behaviour after using a file with random data

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Jay2k1:

JohnQ: maybe "CanYouSeeMee" matches some kind of metadata lookup. try a random filename ("testfile.mpg" worked for me)

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Jay2k1:

anyway

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Jay2k1:

exiting and re-entering mythvideo makes empty folders disappear for me

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Jay2k1:

without a rescan

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JohnQ:

Thats expected.

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Jay2k1:

so what do you want to be able to do? have mythvideo remove the actual directory on the file system?

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JohnQ:

Just created a third file named "SplorkBlatz" with unique file content and rescaned. I now have three "Deadliest Catch – The Bait 2x06..." listed in that dir.

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Jay2k1:

that sounds weird

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JohnQ:

Indeed.

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Jay2k1:

but what about my question?

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JohnQ:

Well.. ideally Id like to be able to delete directories, but based on wagnerrp's explanation, that does not seem possible. I also think the tree node shoudl disappear when it becomes empty, but that is not critical. But right now, I'm really just confused as to why the filenames in the listing have nothing to do with the names of the files on the filesystem..

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wagnerrp:

it's not that it's not possible. it's just that the way the system is designed does not easily allow for it

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, they're not filenames, but generated from the metadata (that may be parsed from the filename)

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wagnerrp:

why you're getting such weird metadata for that filename... no clue

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JohnQ:

By "not possible" I just mean "unlikely to be implemented"

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Jay2k1:

i admit that when you delete the last video in a directory, something else should happen than what happens now

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JohnQ:

It doesn't seem to be specific to the filename. Ive tried several, and they just keep creating identical clones. So strange.

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wagnerrp:

the metadata grabbers don't come up with anything for 'CanYouSeeMe'

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i can think of is you keep matching hashes with an existing file

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JohnQ:

Nah, file contents are just random jibberish I am typing at the command line.

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JohnQ:

I doubt "I am a jelly donut." is causing a hash collision.

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wagnerrp:

it may be some funky issue with small files and the hash function

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JohnQ:

Maybe

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wagnerrp:

it's not a proper cryptographic hash

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wagnerrp:

http://trac.opensubtitles.org/projects/opensu . . . hSourceCodes

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Jay2k1:

haha. with that content, it should match full metal jacket if anything.

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Jay2k1:

:D

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JohnQ:

Ooh strange...

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JohnQ:

The filenames I have used:

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wagnerrp:

it's basically just supposed to be something simple and fast, that should be "good enough" for most things

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JohnQ:

CanYouSeeMe2

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JohnQ:

NumberFour

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JohnQ:

Splorgblatz

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JohnQ:

Spoink

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JohnQ:

and...

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JohnQ:

A Convincing video file s04e21.mkv

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JohnQ:

Wanna guess which one shows up with its real name?

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wagnerrp:

if its a hash collision, name would be irrelevant

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JohnQ:

Assuming that the random number that shows up in the logs after the newly added filename when I do a rescan is the hash... it is not a collision.

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wagnerrp:

try disabling the automatic pass of the bulk metadata updater

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JohnQ:

Where is that?

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wagnerrp:

i believe it is disabled by default

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wagnerrp:

it should be in the video library options

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JohnQ:

"Perform metadata update after video scan"?

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JohnQ:

It is off.

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JohnQ:

I disabled it earlier today.

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JohnQ:

(I never use the metadata anyway)

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wagnerrp:

if it's not metadata, and it's not a hash collision, then i can't think of any reason why it would not show the filename (or something close to it)

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JohnQ:

It could be that it is showing the name of the directory that these files are in...

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JohnQ:

Which would be strange... but beleivable.

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JohnQ:

http://pastebin.com/vUkB6eja

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/Hmer8hBy

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wagnerrp:

yeah... can't help you anymore

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wagnerrp:

see the topic

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JohnQ:

http://pastebin.com/u7QJi8cu

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Jay2k1:

there you go

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JohnQ:

Its just a directory name.

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JohnQ:

Theres nothing in that dir other than the garbage files ive put there.

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Jay2k1:

given that it's 4am, i should probably go to bed before i say unpolite things

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Jay2k1:

or impolite things

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JohnQ:

Well. Either way. Both issues feel like bugs regardless of the directory names involved. I mentioned 'em here cause I was hoping they might get fixed to make a better system.

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wagnerrp:

that second issue would not be considered a bug

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JohnQ:

Interesting.

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JohnQ:

Maybe it makes more sense for a situation where the directory name is more descriptive than the file? Like 'Video of a chair/mov.avi"?.

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JohnQ:

m seeing a lot of tearing in my video playback... checked my "Video timing method" and it says "USleep with busy wait". Anyone know the ins-and-outs of getting the nvidia driver to enable DRI?

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JohnQ:

(I'm assuming it is the nvidia driver... ) My Xorg.0.log : http://pastebin.com/sZh9Wzct

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JohnQ:

glxinfo says "direct rendering: Yes" ... but for some reason myth isnt using it :-/

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JohnQ:

Seems that /dev/dri/card0 is missing. Not sure how to go about fixing that :-/

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JohnQ:

Is the "Internal" video player suppose dto be able to play mp4 files?

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gregL:

JohnQ, Most of my rips are either in Mkv or Mp4, so yes Mp4 will play..

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_stefanb:

I wonder if there is some option for mythfilldatabase to provide --cache xxx option to XMLTV grabbers?

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_stefanb:

used a wrapper script....

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scraballs:

Why can't there be simple way to bring out of standby to record

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[R]:

scraballs: what?

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justinh:

isn't setting a BIOS wakeup time ahead of the next recording simple enough? Meh

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