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| [10:21:37] | djbeirut: | jay2k1 are you there? |
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| [12:31:39] | Jay2k1: | djbeirut: yes and no (at work) |
| [12:33:48] | djbeirut: | Jay2k1 ahh.. ok. just wanted to say that there is major packet loss on the vps now for some reason! |
| [12:44:59] | Jay2k1: | hmm, yeah, i already suspected something with the networking being screwed up |
| [12:50:43] | djbeirut: | how come? |
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| [13:10:10] | Jay2k1: | well remember that i said networkmanager seemed to spam the syslog so hard that rsyslogd had 100% cpu all the time? and that i had to disable the imklog module (kernel logging) to work around that? |
| [13:10:42] | Jay2k1: | and that mythbackend first only listened on ipv6 and after reboot ipv4 and then something network related screwed up and made mythbackend crash? |
| [13:10:46] | Jay2k1: | all these things... |
| [13:14:14] | EvilGuru: | Is there a consensus on if the colour range for TV outs should be "Full" or "Limited"? |
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| [13:41:37] | djbeirut: | Jay2k1 what can i do about it! my vps is pretty much useless now :P |
| [13:43:02] | Jay2k1: | i have no clue |
| [13:43:07] | Jay2k1: | the problem is, we don't know the cause |
| [13:43:16] | Jay2k1: | i looked in /etc/network/interfaces and it looked a bit weird to me |
| [13:43:45] | Jay2k1: | but that's probably because it's a VPS and as such might have some special network configuration because it's a virtual machine |
| [13:44:08] | Jay2k1: | i mean you can try a complete reinstall of the OS and afterwards keep a look at the syslog |
| [13:44:23] | Jay2k1: | to see if it happens again (in doubt contact your provider about that) |
| [13:45:38] | djbeirut: | I have already contacted my provider now to see if they can figure out what is wrong. if they do i would like to have an explanation from them. if they don't we will retry a reinstall and keep an eye on syslog. |
| [13:50:09] | Jay2k1: | sounds like a plan |
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| [14:13:34] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: "full" range is full 8-bit grayscale, "limited" is truncated to 16–239 or something |
| [14:13:59] | wagnerrp: | if your TV supports "full", it will have it toggleable in the menu somewhere |
| [14:14:52] | EvilGuru: | The NVIDIA drivers give me the options for both although I am unsure if this is because they have detected support or always offer up both |
| [14:15:06] | wagnerrp: | they always offer it |
| [14:15:13] | wagnerrp: | PC monitors are traditionally always "full" |
| [14:15:26] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to have "limited" is because you want to display on a TV |
| [14:15:48] | wagnerrp: | since TVs traditionally have a limited range, giving them a full range signal will result in clipping and muddled color |
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| [14:16:04] | wagnerrp: | things will often look too dark |
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| [18:47:54] | justinh: | EvilGuru: even my dead cheap telly has the ability to do 'true black' over HDMI. I don't remember changing nvidia settings to alter the colour depth |
| [18:49:14] | justinh: | oh, I just remembered I made a dummy VGA plug today. Backend needs that ASAP |
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| [20:03:14] | EvilGuru: | justinh: I am wondering if the TV can communicate that or if one needs to make sure settings are in sync |
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| [20:20:32] | bofh_omega: | hi @all. I'm currently facing some glitches with mythtv version 0.27 on debian sid. First DLNA and second mythweb are "suddenly" broken. |
| [20:21:08] | bofh_omega: | DLNA reports an error 4405 on the Playstation after the last updated packages from friday |
| [20:21:57] | bofh_omega: | mythweb doesn't have a proper download/ASX link to the videos (apache2 reports a 404 to a none existing url) |
| [20:22:48] | justinh: | EvilGuru: TVs can report bit depth I think, but FWIW I would only trust what you set |
| [20:23:29] | bofh_omega: | regarding the mythweb. I think I lost a symlink through the reinstall but I can't figure out which one it was. /var/lib/mythtv/mythweb/data/{recordings,videos,video} |
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| [20:25:54] | bofh_omega: | apache2 log is for example GET /mythweb/pl/stream/..../.... 404 (shortend as copy and paste is borked too ;) |
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| [20:27:45] | bofh_omega: | how can I debug the mythweb better than now. How is the content "created" mythweb.pl does something and also mythweb.php. Also modules/stream.php but I don't get the big picture. |
| [20:30:37] | louisdk: | Is it possible to start mythfrontend as a session without a need for a window manager? |
| [20:31:27] | kormoc: | bofh_omega, it should re-create the symlinks |
| [20:31:49] | kormoc: | bofh_omega, as for the streaming stuff, it depends on things. I believe the streaming code is broken due to the storage group re-work awhile back |
| [20:32:18] | bofh_omega: | kormoc: it? |
| [20:32:47] | bofh_omega: | kormoc: (what was ment to recreate symlinks?) |
| [20:33:03] | kormoc: | bofh_omega, mythweb should recreate it's symlinks on every request |
| [20:33:57] | kormoc: | https://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythweb/ . . . data_dir.php |
| [20:34:12] | kormoc: | looks like you should just delete the data directory and hit up mythweb again |
| [20:35:49] | bofh_omega: | ok, then I just have to figure out which is the right one. Right now I have 3 or 4 of them /var/lib/mythtv/mythweb/data /var/www/html/mythweb/data /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data O.o |
| [20:36:17] | kormoc: | oh wow |
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| [20:42:47] | bofh_omega: | hmm, ok deleted all three now getting the error, that mythweb doesn't have the permissions to recreate it. Now fixed that, and know that its /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data which is relevant |
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| [20:46:20] | bofh_omega: | the data dir and a tv_icons dir are created but now symlinks |
| [20:47:43] | bofh_omega: | hmm and if I had have a look at the php code before I'd seen that ;) |
| [20:48:03] | bofh_omega: | (the one from data_dir.php) |
| [20:49:04] | bofh_omega: | kormoc: so on your side also streaming is broken? |
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| [20:59:48] | bofh_omega: | ok, anyone knowing how mythweb is supposed to work? from http://.../mythweb/tv/recorded I use for example this link -> http://127.0.0.1:8080//mythweb/pl/stream/18500/1399913580.asx |
| [21:00:15] | bofh_omega: | the creation of the link fails already because mythweb / apache answers with a 404 |
| [21:01:05] | bofh_omega: | by looking at the modules/stream/stream_asx.php I suppose this should generate the header |
| [21:02:19] | bofh_omega: | and the handler.pl is used for choosing the xxx.pl file after the extension. |
| [21:04:37] | bofh_omega: | and this handler.pl is only called by mythweb.pl. |
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| [21:09:35] | bofh_omega: | ..and now I'm stuck. |
| [21:11:03] | bofh_omega: | hmm, if I create an obvious error in mythweb.pl (writting ERROR in on line) mythweb doesn't fail at all. (or not more than before) |
| [21:11:49] | bofh_omega: | going to have a look at apache2 (mod perl or someting?) |
| [21:16:27] | bofh_omega: | ok, brain is worn out now going to take less coffee and more sleep => see you next time. |
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| [21:32:42] | kormoc: | we should fix the streaming so it just goes though php |
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| [21:42:32] | justinh: | Lord love the users' ML. It gets off topic 3 posts in, then goes all holy & never gets back on track |
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| [22:01:31] | justinh: | hang on.. didn't the mythbuntu theme show more shows in the list before? And wasn't there more room for the date of recordings previously? |
| [22:02:12] | tgm4883: | justinh: how many does it show now |
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| [22:02:26] | justinh: | 9 |
| [22:02:37] | justinh: | GAH! A software updater popup?! |
| [22:03:51] | justinh: | yeah in the date field all I see now is 'Sun ...' or 'Sat ...' |
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| [22:05:50] | tgm4883: | justinh: yes, the font size was slightly increased |
| [22:06:01] | justinh: | every time I find a theme I think I can live with... |
| [22:07:32] | tgm4883: | your correct, I change things just to screw with you |
| [22:08:00] | tgm4883: | please join the line of people with torches and pitchforks that want to string me up because of a font size change |
| [22:09:56] | justinh: | I'm not taking it personally |
| [22:10:57] | justinh: | maybe it didn't show the more text for the date field previously & I've only just realised it |
| [22:11:09] | tgm4883: | I may be a bit jaded by the backlash from the mailing list |
| [22:11:34] | justinh: | and I know all about the battles to be had with screen space vs desired information vs readability ;-) |
| [22:12:16] | tgm4883: | yes, but do you know about the simultaneous battles from people that want me to make the font bigger and those that think I should make the font smaller? |
| [22:12:35] | justinh: | I do know there's no pleasing all of the people ANY of the time |
| [22:12:51] | tgm4883: | Which is why I just please myself |
| [22:13:59] | justinh: | which is why I've not put anything out there since I quit the game |
| [22:14:38] | justinh: | and I should know how best to be, having been on the receiving end of so much.. but am I much different? Bah |
| [22:16:22] | justinh: | so because I know what's involved in 'fixing' this I might not bother. if you wanna see the full date, just select it |
| [22:16:54] | justinh: | life's too short, and I need to finish writing a signal monitoring script so I know when these shitty aerial cables need fiddled with again |
| [22:18:16] | justinh: | cack. And I should set up a key exchange between my home server & my VPS so the latest backup always comes here too |
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| [22:19:50] | justinh: | but first.. software updates. Never tell me onscreen. EVER. |
| [22:21:19] | justinh: | though I guess anytime I run apt-get update now I've set the GUI to never check, it might notify me anyway. |
| [22:23:02] | justinh: | the alternative is not to run xfce on the screen the frontend sits on, of course |
| [22:32:01] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883: I recently updated the Mythbuntu theme (~v25 to current) and actually like the changes :) |
| [22:32:17] | tgm4883: | EvilGuru: to 28.9? |
| [22:32:35] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883: Yeah |
| [22:32:55] | tgm4883: | EvilGuru: Thanks, I appreciate hearing feedback (both positive and negative) |
| [22:33:26] | EvilGuru: | Only odd thing is the 'viewed' icon (the little eye) seems misaligned w.r.t to the text |
| [22:34:02] | tgm4883: | yea it is a bit. There is a second icon in there as well for when you select them for a playlist |
| [22:37:16] | EvilGuru: | I also do not mind a bit of change now and then when it comes to themes |
| [22:37:20] | justinh: | so can a theme be reverted? |
| [22:37:50] | EvilGuru: | justinh: If you updated it using the GUI you can probably just rm -rf it in your users theme dir |
| [22:38:05] | tgm4883: | justinh: yes. There is a thread where I wrote the instructions out |
| [22:38:18] | tgm4883: | I don't have time to look it up or write them out again right now (at work) |
| [22:39:27] | justinh: | that's fine. I should've known they end up in the users' directory |
| [22:39:55] | justinh: | hahaha. that's quite a marked difference |
| [22:40:19] | justinh: | I prefer the new one too.. just a pity about the date field ;-) |
| [22:41:40] | justinh: | all these myopic old people using mythtv now |
| [22:42:18] | EvilGuru: | I run myth on my workstation in a window, so the smaller font size is really good for me |
| [22:42:51] | justinh: | I don't miss the bad old days when users could choose font sizes. sheesh |
| [22:42:54] | tgm4883: | justinh: I'm might be able to fix the date field, but I haven't had the time to look at it yet |
| [22:43:14] | tgm4883: | doing other important things like making the updater not pop up in front of mythfrontend |
| [22:43:21] | justinh: | I might look at it tomorrow. I don't mind lending a hand here & there |
| [22:43:28] | justinh: | the theme that is, not the updater ;-) |
| [22:44:01] | justinh: | I think I need sleep more than finishing this signal monitoring effort |
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| [22:58:10] | skd5aner: | who is 14WACU.... |
| [22:58:12] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [22:58:30] | skd5aner: | and why are they a channel op? |
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| [23:35:11] | bill6502: | skd5aner: 01:51:22 UTC |
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