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| [00:29:30] | justinh: | so erm.. apart from "but loads of people will come out of the woodwork & complain" is there still a good reason not to ditch legacy tech like qt rendering of the UI? |
| [00:30:05] | justinh: | I mean apart from all the man hours that have gone into it.. |
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| [00:31:23] | justinh: | my dear departed frontend wasn't good enough to have a GL UI painter, and GOOD RIDDANCE |
| [00:31:58] | justinh: | stupid crap mostly software graphics rendering |
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| [01:54:14] | kichigai: | Hello, I'm upgrading my copy of Mythbuntu and I'm wondring if there's anyway I can backup relevant data to avoid needing to nuke everything and just overwrite all the Mythbuntu 12.04 stuff. |
| [01:56:18] | wagnerrp: | just upgrade. don't nuke anything |
| [01:58:00] | kichigai: | How do I do that as part of Mythbuntu? |
| [01:58:13] | kichigai: | Specifically, Mythbuntu 12.04. |
| [01:58:37] | kichigai: | Their upgrade instructions involve stepping through Ubuntu versions from 12.04 to 12.10 and so forth. |
| [01:59:07] | kichigai: | I've got my database backed up in like four places, so if it risks the database I'm willing to take it on. |
| [02:00:55] | wagnerrp: | not sure about the specifics of upgrading the ubuntu packages |
| [02:01:22] | wagnerrp: | but if you install a newer copy of mythtv on top of an older, it will automatically update all it's internal stuff |
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| [02:30:25] | skd5aner: | MASS DELETE SPREE... COMMENCE!! |
| [02:30:34] | skd5aner: | See ya Revolution |
| [02:30:55] | wagnerrp: | did that get canceled or is it still running? |
| [02:31:00] | skd5aner: | cancelled |
| [02:31:15] | skd5aner: | "not renewed" |
| [02:31:54] | skd5aner: | I think there's about 6 shows or so my wife is deleting that we were either way behind on or never watched |
| [02:32:02] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: almost human got the ax |
| [02:32:11] | wagnerrp: | aww |
| [02:32:17] | wagnerrp: | it got the fox treatment |
| [02:32:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I never watched it, so I guess I won't start now |
| [02:32:23] | wagnerrp: | disjointed and aired out of order |
| [02:32:36] | skd5aner: | Crisis got cancelled |
| [02:32:45] | skd5aner: | The Neighbors |
| [02:32:51] | wagnerrp: | is that the one where people keep getting kidnapped? |
| [02:32:52] | skd5aner: | Trophy Wife |
| [02:33:01] | skd5aner: | Crisis ? I think so, never watched it |
| [02:33:06] | skd5aner: | had it recorded |
| [02:33:09] | wagnerrp: | i think i'm recording it, just to record it |
| [02:33:55] | skd5aner: | I just started watching Orphan Black, it's a BBC America show... |
| [02:33:57] | skd5aner: | not too bad |
| [02:34:08] | skd5aner: | scifi, clone suspense thing |
| [02:34:33] | skd5aner: | I think season 2 just started premiering this week |
| [02:34:49] | skd5aner: | I'm through the first 3 episodes of season 1, I think I'll stick with it for now |
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| [02:36:21] | skd5aner: | what's the field that determines if a recording rule will record a "generic" episode or not? |
| [02:38:01] | skd5aner: | Is it the "identifiable episode" filter? |
| [02:38:31] | wagnerrp: | not sure |
| [02:40:32] | skd5aner: | I thnk it is |
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| [02:46:36] | skd5aner: | 123 deleted recordings, consuming 430GB |
| [02:46:40] | skd5aner: | not bad |
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| [06:53:56] | ubuntuaddicted: | evening guys, what would the reason be that my watch status isn't working? i also can't resume from where i last watched a video? |
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| [08:58:08] | justinh: | finally! Got my IR remote working |
| [08:59:13] | AndyCap: | justinh: congratulations. :) |
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| [09:08:26] | justinh: | ][poku pi-[3~kg~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]'= |
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| [09:35:14] | justinh: | AndyCap the receiver wasn't supported on the kernel the backend was running. Now the backend is my frontend... |
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| [10:03:12] | justinh: | yeah this machine needs to be in its cabinet already. If the kids aren't pressing buttons they're trying to use the vents as a cheese grater |
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| [10:04:23] | justinh: | rather than threaten children with a 2x4, I tend to just try & avoid them doing stuff they shouldn't by putting things out of reach. Even that has limits though |
| [10:06:44] | justinh: | ah crap I forgot to copy the backup scripts over too |
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| [12:57:26] | justinh: | stupid fricking BT HomeHub |
| [12:57:53] | justinh: | they think it makes setting up port forwarding easy when they have a list of 'apps' to forward. Except the list is like 300 items long |
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| [14:29:20] | ubuntuaddicted: | evening guys, what would the reason be that my watch status isn't working? i also can't resume from where i last watched a video? |
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| [15:02:49] | wagnerrp: | justinh: there's no "custom" or "manual"? |
| [15:03:09] | wagnerrp: | besides, who needs to forward ports when you aren't "running a server"... :P |
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| [15:26:17] | ubuntuaddicted: | hi wagnerrp |
| [15:26:48] | ubuntuaddicted: | i recently installed 0.27-fixes and i can't figure out how to start/stop the server because sudo service mythbackend start no longer |
| [15:29:43] | wagnerrp: | i don't know anything about "service", and i avoid "sudo" if possible |
| [15:29:54] | wagnerrp: | see if the backend is spitting out logs |
| [15:30:14] | ubuntuaddicted: | on ubuntu 12.04, i ran init.d scripts using service |
| [15:30:43] | ubuntuaddicted: | now on ubuntu 14.04 there appears to still be some services (files located within /etc/init.d/) but mythbackend isn't |
| [15:31:21] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, oh, the server is definitely running and is working fine BUT currently if I want to stop the server i run mythtv-setup just so i can stop the server. |
| [15:37:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, here's what is spit out when I issue mythbackend status and the same thing happens when trying to start or stop the server http://paste.ubuntu.com/7438700/ |
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| [15:40:09] | bill6502: | ubuntuaddicted: sudo start mythtv-backend . You should have a file named /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf. |
| [15:42:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, yeap, that it. why did they change the name of the service? it used to be mythbackend |
| [15:42:23] | bill6502: | mythbackend status (as you saw) isn't a valid option. However, the Upstart command: status mythtv-backend is |
| [15:42:26] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, thanks you so much |
| [15:43:04] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, are you familiar with ubuntu ? |
| [15:43:40] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, why did they move mythbackend from being able to be stopped and started from /etc/init.d/ where I would use sudo service foo start/stop |
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| [15:46:36] | bill6502: | I don't know why. The 'old' way was to put a symbolic link in init.d that ended up running the command above. Looks like it was removed. Maybe the 'buntu folks are trying to force users into using the Upstart method directly. I always used the upstart method since 10.04 I believe. |
| [15:46:54] | bill6502: | In other words, previously, both methods worked. |
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| [16:06:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | ah ok, so if i put a symlink within /etc/init.d/ named mythbackend then i would be able to issue sudo service mythbackend stop and it would work? |
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| [16:32:22] | bill6502: | ubuntuaddicted: yes, link to: /lib/init/upstart-job, but why bother. If you don't like typing the command, create an alias and put it in your .bashrc, or wherever you like to store them: |
| [16:32:45] | bill6502: | alias mstart='sudo /sbin/start mythtv-backend' and do another such as mstop... |
| [16:33:32] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, it's not that i don't like typing, it's that i am so used to use 'sudo service foo' |
| [16:35:01] | ubuntuaddicted: | all my other services are ran that way, sudo service apache2, sudo service mysql, |
| [16:37:22] | bill6502: | OK, but get ready for this: http://www.muktware.com/2014/02/ubuntu-ditch- . . . ystemd/21036 |
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| [16:53:53] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, ah man, i've heard nothing but bad things about systemd |
| [16:57:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, hmm, i put a symlink of mythbackend into /etc/init.d/ pointing to /etc/init/ and it says "mythbackend: unrecognized service" |
| [16:57:38] | bill6502: | mythtv-backend (to match the name of the Upstart .conf file. |
| [16:58:42] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, what I don't like about this new /etc/init/mythtv-backend is that i can't use tab to auto-complete my command. so if I type "sudo status myth" I would love to be able to hit tab and have it autocomplete like it did when it was in /etc/init.d |
| [17:00:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, ok, now that i named the symlink mythtv-backend I can autocomplete again, thanks for your help |
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| [17:01:30] | bill6502: | Understood, and you're the 2nd person I've seen mentioning that (autocomplete.) Another argument for an alias. mstart mstop mstat if you do it that much. |
| [17:02:01] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, makes sense. thanks again |
| [17:03:08] | ubuntuaddicted: | bye |
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| [17:09:27] | SteveGoodey: | Great. Another HP laptop with no display! |
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| [17:34:34] | wagnerrp: | SteveGoodey: laptop with no display? |
| [17:36:10] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: Friend of my sons, HP had a load of Nvidia gpu overheating causing no display. Repair was to reflow the solder with a blow torch!!! Class action job. |
| [17:37:14] | wagnerrp: | sounds like that would destroy the substrate |
| [17:38:41] | SteveGoodey: | Yeah you'd think. Doesn't sound like a quality repair. There's youtube vids of people offering fixes. |
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| [18:10:04] | justinh: | a blow torch? You have to be careful with a hot air gun as it is, never mind a blow torch. Heh |
| [18:11:59] | justinh: | usually reworking a BGA device is a one-way operation with a simple heat gun you might otherwise use for paint stripping or heat shrinking things |
| [18:13:13] | justinh: | one way as in.. when it's off, it ain't going back on. Though re-balling gear & proper rework tools are available for hobby use – but the cost is still prohibitive for one-offs. Leave it to specialists unless you've nothing to lose |
| [18:14:57] | justinh: | wagnerrp: found a custom option eventually. And a means of entering IP addresses rather than hostnames since the BE changed hostname when I installed it (I changed it back) & there's no way to clean out the router's cache without wiping everything |
| [18:15:53] | justinh: | I liked that router initially. When it was new, my laptop connected to it 1st time every time no matter what. It's grown out of that phase now & I have to use the 'troubleshooter' most times |
| [18:16:25] | justinh: | I'll see if I can set it up to hand out static IPs via DHCP. That might fix it |
| [18:16:59] | justinh: | or just turn DHCP & DNS over to the backend box |
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| [19:06:48] | justinh: | why can't folks on the 'modernizing mythtv' ML thread just take their X discussion elsewhere? It's way past OT now |
| [19:07:25] | justinh: | and way past any point. Realistic use of the backend requires a computer, aka PC. Not some crappy plugtop machine or ARM junk |
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| [19:08:20] | [R]: | lol |
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| [19:13:47] | justinh: | I think that's why folks are getting in a funk about mythtv-setup requiring a display, remote or otherwise |
| [19:13:58] | justinh: | "muh but tvheadend"... yeah.. is junk |
| [19:14:33] | justinh: | it's about a one man operation, and that man is getting tired of all the users whining – is what I've gathered |
| [19:14:59] | [R]: | ssh -X is all you need |
| [19:15:19] | justinh: | so they say. I've never tried it. I prefer something like freenx |
| [19:15:46] | [R]: | but isn't that a full X environment? |
| [19:16:10] | justinh: | yeah. So? |
| [19:16:26] | justinh: | it's not as if X is a massive resource hog. Or disk space hog |
| [19:17:02] | justinh: | hell even Gnome & all its dependencies takes up about what.. half an hour's worth of recording time? If that |
| [19:17:37] | justinh: | my BE has always ran a full desktop OS. And now my backend is my frontend too |
| [19:18:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:18:42] | justinh: | it's just easier than piddling around with a 'server' distro, then having to install half a desktop's worth of dependencies |
| [19:18:59] | [R]: | if you say so |
| [19:19:28] | justinh: | or if you run gentoo.. fine. But I got bored of that. Nothing ever happened quickly on that athlon system |
| [19:20:22] | justinh: | mythbuntu hasn't been bad so far. Hell I even quite like the theme |
| [19:21:03] | EvilGuru: | I've always used mythbuntu, mostly without issue, things just tend to 'work' |
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| [19:21:24] | justinh: | the worst part of installing it was getting the bloody nvidia driver to work – increasing some memory size or other |
| [19:21:47] | EvilGuru: | My current issue is the 90W power draw of my mythtv box |
| [19:22:13] | justinh: | my old issue was the 90+ watt draw of the BE, plus the 90+W draw of the frontend |
| [19:22:44] | justinh: | we got our first power bills since we moved the other day. We're now in credit by a not insignificant amount |
| [19:23:07] | justinh: | even the electrickery bill is lower now – and that's with the same appliances |
| [19:23:39] | justinh: | though now we have a less thirsty TV, no CCTV, and no crappy core duo frontend |
| [19:23:53] | EvilGuru: | All I know is I pay, in real terms, 2.5 times more than I would in a sane country |
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| [19:24:45] | justinh: | the only snag – which I solved today – was that the kids kept messing with the backend machine. Now it's in an old TV cabinet I picked up at a charity shop. Sanded it, put a back on it.. and painted it a nice white |
| [19:25:18] | justinh: | it needs the back opened out a fair bit though. It'll be too hot in there with the doors shut all the time |
| [19:25:58] | justinh: | I'll either take the back off or fit a mashoosive fan, and cut vents in the doors. Heheh |
| [19:26:12] | justinh: | EvilGuru: everybody in the UK pays over the odds |
| [19:26:47] | justinh: | our new house is really warm. When the heating comes on you can be standing feet away from a radiator & you know it's on |
| [19:27:02] | justinh: | in the old house you had to put your hand on a radiator to tell |
| [19:28:25] | EvilGuru: | My long term plan is to replace the frontend with a NUC thing and then merge the backend into my NAS |
| [19:29:07] | justinh: | ugh. good luck with that |
| [19:29:41] | justinh: | unless the NAS is a real computer :-) |
| [19:29:55] | EvilGuru: | It is, an HP Microserver I got for £100 |
| [19:30:28] | justinh: | I'll see how this USB tuner goes.. if it turns out to be trustworthy I could totally scale the hardware back |
| [19:30:53] | justinh: | ah well built little things, those microservers |
| [19:31:52] | justinh: | when you said 'NAS' you might've meant a pogoplug effort ;-) |
| [19:32:20] | EvilGuru: | I wanted something which would actually work! |
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| [19:33:20] | justinh: | BTW.. how fast is the loading of stuff in 0.27 now? Love it. I might even forgive the loss of 'this channel' rules. Yes I know about the custom rules.. not looked into those in anger |
| [19:33:34] | justinh: | stop a recording.. and whee you're back in the PBB |
| [19:34:42] | justinh: | oh, when X reports it's running at 1920x1080 it can't actually be in interlaced mode no? My teevee is saying it's 1080i |
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| [19:43:38] | justinh: | HAHAHA. When I programmed by OFA6 remote for mythtv, I completely made up RC5 protocol codes. Now I've got lirc working my wife's got her OFA6 in hand.. and in mythtv mode it's controlling the TV. What are the chancs?! |
| [19:43:51] | justinh: | I made up the codes! |
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| [19:48:35] | justinh: | also, I might have to look into getting one of those blue disc thingies |
| [19:51:23] | EvilGuru: | justinh: I do not think there is out of the box support |
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| [21:15:48] | dekarl: | justinh: try the "this channel" filter ;) |
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| [21:49:23] | zpertee: | Hello. I'm new to mythtv and running into a few issues and hoping someone can take a few minutes to help me out. I have a very large computer network at home (7 homes and a business). Internet sharing is the main focus at this point. I'm hoping to introduce tv services. I'd like to capture the signal, convert it to IP, and then rebroadcast to the tvs in the homes. There's a million... |
| [21:49:25] | zpertee: | ...options to stream to mobile, but not many back to tv. I don't care about anything other than live tv at this point. \ |
| [21:50:54] | zpertee: | I also it need it to be easy to use so that those of the older generation, non-computer savvy can make it go. I think mythtv is part of the solution, but what else do I need? |
| [21:51:14] | [R]: | "else"? |
| [21:52:05] | justinh: | dekarl: I surely will |
| [21:52:55] | justinh: | just wondering wth happened. Me & wife just watched a film, I had 2 little bottles of wine & now I'm absolutely trashed. I used to be able to keep up (almost) with MythTV developers |
| [21:53:29] | zpertee: | [R]: What do I need in the homes to convert it back to analog tv output? I don't want fancy menus or anything like that. Just the most basic box and an IR remote to change channels. |
| [21:53:44] | [R]: | mythtv is a program that runs on comptuers |
| [21:53:47] | [R]: | so you need a computer plugged into the tv |
| [21:54:51] | justinh: | sounds like a job for the utter boxes of crap they call slingboxes |
| [21:55:19] | justinh: | cheaper than a full PC, too :-) |
| [21:55:38] | zpertee: | Makes sense. Hardware recommendations? Can I strip the menu down to make it extremely simple and as close to real cable service as possible? We live in the boonies out here, only have one location with cable access, and then all the rest (other family members) get fed off of a tower we've erected. |
| [21:56:10] | zpertee: | The problem with slingbox is that there's still a menu and it's a royal pain in the hind end to change channels |
| [21:56:10] | [R]: | download myth and play around with it |
| [21:56:48] | justinh: | zpertee: welcome to the reality of your situation |
| [21:57:42] | zpertee: | justinh: Nod. I understand the reality. I'm just stubborn enough that I don't like to give in. It seems like there should be a way to do what I'm trying to do. I just need to find it... |
| [21:58:20] | justinh: | if you have enough network bandwidth, VLC is more than capable of streaming channels over IP |
| [21:58:31] | justinh: | but then what would you use for clients? |
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| [21:59:20] | zpertee: | That's the issue. I have 170Mbps between homes. It would all be LAN traffic so no issues there. |
| [21:59:22] | justinh: | IMHO MythTV isn't ideal for livetv viewing in any situation, let alone over a WAN |
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| [21:59:57] | justinh: | can't you just get satellite TV? |
| [22:00:13] | justinh: | ok so you have to pay multiple times, but it saves a motherload of hassle |
| [22:00:46] | zpertee: | justinh: I appreciate your honesty. If this isn't the right solution then I don't want to waste hours down the wrong track. And yes I'm starting to think that satellite is the way to go and call it a day. |
| [22:00:50] | justinh: | actually, I've yet to even try live tv in 0.27 |
| [22:01:26] | justinh: | zpertee: well with myth, you'll need about one tuner per household.. and that's assuming only one TV in each house |
| [22:01:57] | justinh: | and assumes one channel per tuner. With digital (OTA) you might get more than one actual channel per tuner useable at once |
| [22:02:15] | zpertee: | justinh: yep. I thought about getting hdhomerun with 3 tuners. One per household. Then I would just need client devices. |
| [22:03:02] | justinh: | I've tried 'other' frontends on low-cost hardware. there's no getting away from the fact that with mythtv you need a 'real' PC for a client |
| [22:03:28] | justinh: | it needn't be expensive though |
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| [22:06:01] | zpertee: | obviously this isn't mythtv, but this: http://www.matrixstream.com/IPTV_H.264_IMX_i2 . . . S_Server.php looks interesting and incredibly expensive. I wish I could find a way to replicate it using cheaper, more limited means |
| [22:06:33] | justinh: | zpertee: then what do you use as clients? |
| [22:06:55] | zpertee: | They make some sort of STB from the looks of it. |
| [22:08:06] | justinh: | hell even myth with high end PCs would be cheaper than that |
| [22:08:32] | zpertee: | Exactly... I love the idea of what they got going on. I need it to 1/100th the size. |
| [22:08:32] | justinh: | so 7 houses.. you'd need at least 2 HDHR 3 tuner boxes... |
| [22:09:00] | justinh: | and as a minimum, something like the Intel NUC box as a frontend |
| [22:09:30] | justinh: | but I wouldn't personally rely on accelerated anything working on Intel video |
| [22:09:38] | zpertee: | or this http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/tech3-8us-2x4/ |
| [22:09:43] | justinh: | so you'd need enough CPU grunt to decode in software |
| [22:10:32] | justinh: | might be cheaper to buy 2 or 3 consumer level devices though |
| [22:10:44] | justinh: | probably would be actually |
| [22:11:22] | zpertee: | yeah. Probably would be the best be to just get one of the HDHRs for each household. 3 tvs per household. |
| [22:11:50] | justinh: | you'd need a bit of a mother of a backend to cope with that lot |
| [22:12:24] | justinh: | if only for all the scheduling of livetv events, to keep it responsive |
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| [22:14:30] | zpertee: | My backend is one of a kind. Very rural location. My in-laws own 2000 acres. On that property is a barn where I'm storing all of the equipment. I have a 50ft tv tower with a wireless AP at the top. Each of the homes then have an AP pointed back. 100Mbps down, 10 Mbps, and 170+ Mbps between homes across our wireless LAN. |
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| [22:16:29] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Do you still use XMLTV or have you converted to EIT? |
| [22:16:49] | justinh: | EvilGuru: xmltv til I die. I mean til it's useless or not free |
| [22:17:13] | justinh: | oh dear GOD. Live TV |
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| [22:18:07] | EvilGuru: | justinh: I hear that the RT grabber is being replaced by some new hotness |
| [22:18:08] | justinh: | maybe it's these tuners of mine, but I swear it never used to be this bad |
| [22:18:28] | EvilGuru: | Hence some new channels are not available through the current grabber |
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| [22:20:08] | zpertee: | justinh: Thanks for your thoughts on my situation. Appreciate it. Got to run before the misses gets upset.. :) |
| [22:20:17] | justinh: | oooo nasty. I have some UNCs on some channels |
| [22:20:30] | justinh: | aaand the frontend has crashed. LOL |
| [22:21:09] | justinh: | and it's crashed so bad a killall isn't stopping it |
| [22:21:33] | skd5aner: | maybe x crashed |
| [22:21:52] | skd5aner: | or the drier |
| [22:21:55] | skd5aner: | driver |
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| [22:22:41] | justinh: | no it was just the frontend that hung |
| [22:23:12] | justinh: | sudo service lightdm restart |
| [22:23:30] | justinh: | gah now the stupid taskbar is visible |
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| [22:25:06] | justinh: | mythfrontend --service 2>&1 >/dev/null & from my SSH session. How it should be done. Sheesh |
| [22:26:20] | justinh: | I should check my aerial distribution amp I think |
| [22:27:09] | justinh: | is there any way to check the current frequency a tuner is using, using dvbutils? |
| [22:28:27] | justinh: | well whatever. tuner 1, the middle tuner, is having issues |
| [22:31:14] | justinh: | heh. the same channel livetv crashed on, works fine when I record it manually & view it from the PBB |
| [22:31:30] | justinh: | looks like blocky error ridden CRAP but no crashing |
| [22:33:30] | justinh: | ah dodgy coax |
| [22:33:45] | justinh: | you just can't but good Belling-Lee connectors for love nor money these days |
| [22:33:53] | justinh: | s/but/buy |
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| [22:35:05] | justinh: | I need to shorten all the aerial cables anyway. They're about 3x too long for their new home |
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| [22:36:24] | justinh: | tgm4883: would you accept a patch for the mythbuntu theme btw? Just I see I need to scroll in the PBB menu to reach 'delete' yet there's plenty room for the popup to be a little bigger & thus accomodate the extra item ;-) |
| [22:37:04] | justinh: | ah it's only too long to appear all in one go when a recording is in progress |
| [22:53:47] | skd5aner: | !see devinheitmuller |
| [22:53:55] | skd5aner: | !seen devinheitmuller |
| [22:53:55] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmuller has not been seen here |
| [22:54:21] | skd5aner: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [22:54:21] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 1 day 3 hours 11 minutes 1 second ago |
| [22:54:26] | skd5aner: | there we go |
| [22:57:05] | skd5aner: | anyone got an extra HD-PVR for sale? |
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