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| [06:59:13] | justinh: | heheh that Hitachi TV is pretty crummy, but it was cheap. Backlight is uneven, but no more than on my parents' Sony. Audio is about as terrible as I expected it would be... i.e. better than my laptop. Motion blur was awful too til I disabled the 'noise reduction' |
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| [06:59:58] | justinh: | biggest surprise is that DLNA just works out of the box with the backend – apart from the 1000 videos limitation of course |
| [07:00:32] | justinh: | and the 'smart' features are actually responsive & work pretty well. |
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| [13:57:32] | louisdk: | I'm thinking of doing a Mythtv setup with Arch Linux. I'm just wondering why the frontend and backend ain't separated? Does that mean that if I install "mythtv" on my frontend it'll also get the backend? |
| [14:01:07] | sphery: | In a source install, the backend and frontend aren't separatend, either. |
| [14:01:37] | sphery: | Which means if you install mythfrontend from source, you also install mythbackend--and it costs you a whopping 10MB of HDD space or so! |
| [14:02:37] | sphery: | (where that 10MB includes mythbackend, mythtranscode, mythcommflag, mythfilldatabase, mythjobqueue, ...) |
| [14:03:05] | sphery: | if you want a frontend only system, just don't run mythbackend... if you want a backend only system, just don't run mythfrontend |
| [14:04:01] | sphery: | basically, MythTV is a bunch of libraries and some small applications that link to those libraries of code that's shared and used by all the applications |
| [14:04:21] | sphery: | so there's no benefit in separating them |
| [14:05:17] | sphery: | the only benefit a packaging system has in "separating" them is that a user can select mythfrontend and the packages can set up the system to automatically run it for them, or they select mythbackend and the packages set it up to run for them, etc. |
| [14:06:16] | sphery: | but they could do that either through having a mythtv package that installs everything (as a source install), then mythfrontend package that sets up autorun stuff and a mythbackend package that sets up init scripts, etc. |
| [14:07:46] | sphery: | or by actually choosing not to install some applications--in which case when you then need to run mythtv-setup on your frontend system, which some packager decided (incorrectly) was only necessary on a mythbackend package, you end up installing the mythbackend package or whining on the list that "I shouldn't have to install mythbackend to configure mythfrontend" (when the only problem is that your packages make it that way) |
| [14:10:29] | louisdk: | spherry: Thanks for the info :) |
| [14:11:26] | sphery: | hehe, sorry for the long diatribe |
| [14:11:32] | sphery: | just a personal pet peeve |
| [14:11:33] | sphery: | :) |
| [14:12:07] | sphery: | (with the way packages break up the apps to save a few MB of HDD space) |
| [14:16:05] | louisdk: | That's allright ;) |
| [14:16:53] | louisdk: | I find XBMC quite bloated and difficult not navigate compared to the Mythtv frontend :) |
| [14:17:26] | stuartm: | it's particularly irritating that they'll mess around to break up applications into smaller chunks but still insist that you need that 400MB texlive package of fonts that nothing important actually uses |
| [14:19:00] | stuartm: | or the docs, why in this day and age distros automatically install a few hundred MB of documentation that no-one will ever read offline |
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| [14:44:23] | dekarl: | stuartm, you don't have to install the docs, they're in yet another extra package ;) http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/trusty/amd64/mythtv-doc |
| [14:47:49] | stuartm: | dekarl: right, I was wandering off the topic slightly there and referring to distros installing the -doc packages by default |
| [14:48:13] | dekarl: | btw, anybody mind to upload some nice screenhots of mythtv / xbmc-pvr-mythtv-cmyth... |
| [14:48:33] | dekarl: | nvm mythtv is in the multiverse (not free) and so is not allowed to have a screenshot |
| [14:49:27] | dekarl: | stuartm, you can save 101.0 kB. Some bootloaders would kill for that much space... |
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| [14:53:05] | stuartm: | dekarl: thankfully the mythtv documentation is small (light on images), for some apps it's quite a lot more and for all installed apps that can add up considerably |
| [14:54:12] | dekarl: | stuartm, ... that would only be relevant if the documentation was actally inside that package :D |
| [14:54:52] | dekarl: | its mostly license files, changelog and the KEYS/FAQ/README/UPGRADING files |
| [14:56:18] | dekarl: | the other thing makes me sad... mythbuntu is an official flavor, but mythtv doesn't get screenshots in the package archive... |
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| [15:07:42] | tgm4883: | dekarl: screenshots where? |
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| [16:02:21] | dekarl: | tgm4883: e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/trusty/amd64/mythtv |
| [16:02:33] | dekarl: | I hear they end up in Ubuntu Software Centre, too |
| [16:02:42] | tgm4883: | dekarl: yea, I think those come from debian |
| [16:02:47] | tgm4883: | I could check though |
| [16:03:16] | dekarl: | but http://screenshots.debian.net/about says only http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/ubuntu/dists/trus . . . /Packages.gz and http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/ubuntu/dists/trus . . . /Packages.gz can have screenshots |
| [16:03:29] | dekarl: | its a shared repository |
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| [20:33:53] | louisdk: | Are you using Mythtv frontend or XBMC for a frontend? :) |
| [20:53:32] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [20:54:30] | jm|laptop: | is it "normal" for a long burst of mythbackend CPU usage (like up to a minute or more) when a scheduled recording is starting? |
| [20:55:02] | jm|laptop: | during which time mythweb become unresponsive |
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