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[00:26:23] Esteban: mythtv rocks
[00:26:36] Esteban: although mythtv backend mysteriously disappears every now and then
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[00:28:12] jedix: hey
[00:28:20] jedix: I'm having issues restoring my db
[00:28:23] jedix: I have a backup
[00:28:32] jedix: but when I try, it tells me the db does not exist
[00:29:07] jedix: if I don't use --drop-database, it complains too
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[03:29:25] SmallwoodDR82: fresh install of mythbuntu 14.04, and when I goto make any changes to MySQL Config inside Mythbuntu Control Centre, I get the message "Exception in compareState of Plugin MYSQL" Any ideas?
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[03:30:36] [R]: sounsd like a question for #mythbuntu
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[06:04:34] lautriv: anyone tested chromecast ?
[06:05:13] [R]: no, i dont think anone has ever used it
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[07:52:48] niobos: I'm trying to get some numbers to estimate the IO performance I need: When MythTV does a recording: how large are the writes it does?
[07:53:11] niobos: or: how many (milli)seconds per write?
[07:53:21] niobos: (milli)seconds of video, that is
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[11:31:18] wagnerrp: niobos: mythtv has a 1-second write loop that flushes its open files to disk
[11:31:44] wagnerrp: it does this specifically to prevent a significant amount of write buffer from filling up
[11:32:04] wagnerrp: as there are issues with the default scheduler in Linux that can cause lengthy stalls once the buffer fills
[11:32:13] wagnerrp: which would result in lost data
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[12:01:18] niobos: 1 second is "plenty". An SD stream will have 500kB of data, HD even more.
[12:01:49] niobos: so I should be looking at the numbers of at least 4kB random writes; definitely not the 512B random writes
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[13:16:20] dekarl: niobos: if you have lots of 4kb random writes on recording files then something is wrong with your filesystem. I bet its something else
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[14:30:38] niobos: dekarl: I don't have a filesystem yet. I'm trying to do some estmations on how many recordings I can get on a single spindle.
[14:31:00] niobos: I know that 1 spindle/recording is the best
[14:31:19] niobos: but that's probably overkill
[14:31:31] niobos: I want to get an estimate on the actual numbers
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[16:34:40] dekarl: niobos: what is your target number of recordings? Splitting database and recordings onto different spindles is something to keep in mind, as the seektable for all concurrent recordings will be written into the database
[16:35:10] dekarl: and how many spindles will you have anyway? (e.g. due to target storage size)
[16:35:31] dekarl: I'd bet that recordings per spindle is one of the lesser worries
[16:43:40] tgm4883: dekarl: +1
[16:43:52] tgm4883: I usually do SSD for mysql and OS
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[19:28:28] Kwisher: need help with mythweb after upgrading to xubuntu 14.04 and myth .27
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[19:42:46] dekarl: Kwisher: what is the issue? Some issue have been fixed in the latest updates https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commits/fixes/0.27/deb
[19:43:11] dekarl: but #ubuntu-mythtv may be a better place to ask if its ubuntu specific
[19:43:55] dekarl: So the question is, did you enable the nighly updates to fixes/0.27 then update and upgrade?
[19:52:09] Kwisher: yes, using the .27 ppa
[19:52:22] Kwisher: i'm now getting a 404 error
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[20:03:06] justinh: I'm looking forward to seeing an improvement when I update my backend. I've got the new root disk ready to go.. just need some blimmin downtime on the backend
[20:04:24] justinh: the old strangeness with what some people see as slow scheduling, slow to load lists of stuff.. anything db 'intensive' – which by all accounts isn't all that intensive. And not solved by putting the DB on its own disk either. Though an SSD would likely help
[20:16:08] niobos: dekarl, tgm4883: It's still a bit vauge. I'm targetting the order of 2HD or 3SD recordings. My current shopping list has a single 3TB spindle
[20:16:30] niobos: I can either go for 2 spindles; or for 1 spindle and a 32GB SSD
[20:16:40] niobos: I'm not sure which would be best
[20:17:15] niobos: Database writes can be cached quite efficiently, but I don't know how often/hard MySQL flushes transactions to disk
[20:17:51] tgm4883: niobos: to put it in perspective, I have a 1.5TB drive for recordings and an SSD for OS and mysql. I have a HDHomerun prime and can record 3 shows at once
[20:18:02] tgm4883: I believe all in HD
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[20:24:39] niobos: How large is your SSD?
[20:26:38] niobos: tgm4883: from my other linux boxes usage, I guess 32GB would be enough
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[20:36:48] justinh: easy be enough for / and mysql
[20:37:16] justinh: you might want to put /home on something else though, especially if you're a big downloader
[20:39:57] niobos: The 60GB SSDs are almost half as expensive per GB: EUR38 for a 30GB; EUR45 for a 60GB...
[20:44:49] niobos: and they're 4 times as fast (at least, the seq write spec is 4 times as high)
[20:45:32] tgm4883: niobos: I have a 60GB SSD
[20:45:44] tgm4883: /dev/sda1 59G 30G 26G 54% /
[20:49:43] tgm4883: niobos: but 30GB should work fine, I've got some other stuff on there too
[20:49:58] tgm4883: mainly, a local minecraft server + mods
[20:57:48] justinh: hmmm I might put a HDD back in my laptop & use the SSD for the new backend /
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