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| [00:01:34] | justinh: | wait a frickin minute.. there may be stuff in his bitbucket effort.. I'll check that out tomorrow |
| [00:01:39] | justinh: | or erm.. today. heh |
| [00:03:29] | justinh: | yeah looks like there've been changes not submitted upstream to linuxtv yet |
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| [00:04:06] | justinh: | and on that note, I bid you good night :-) |
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| [03:02:47] | k-man: | where can i read about uinput and mythtv? |
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| [03:09:16] | k-man: | if i use libcec-daemon, how do i tell what key presses are being sent and if mythtv is receiving any of them? |
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| [06:26:44] | justinh: | k-man: you know that with CEC it's very much potluck which keys your TV will allow, right? |
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| [06:49:57] | justinh: | I wish I could leave my laptop running linux with the external USB drive & USB tuner plugged in in the lounge today. But because CHILDREN I can't |
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| [08:38:21] | justinh: | SteveGoodey: incase you didn't catch any of last night's progress – basically there was none – apart from managing to scan with dvb-apps scan a DVB-T2 mux & it pulled out correct serviceids for the 6 channels on there. Still wouldn't work though cos it couldn't find any video or audio PIDs. Then before I went to bed I discovered that the guy who added support in the first place has his own source tree – and there's |
| [08:42:33] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: Thanks for the update. I did spot the conversation. Did I see that DVB-T worked, T2 not so much? |
| [08:49:15] | Merlin83b: | Also, you cut off at "- and there's" |
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| [08:52:09] | justinh: | there's a change to the code to use a different frontend tuner driver. So I'll be trying that later today. I remain optimistic, which is unusual for me |
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| [08:53:13] | justinh: | dvb-t2 from the usb device seems to be a bit junky, though my interest was intensified when I discovered the serviceids scan pulled out were correct – but that might've been a red herring |
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| [08:55:11] | justinh: | I don't know exactly how a dvb-t2 mux is modulated – the PIDs for channels were blank & the names were nondescript – so it could be that scan picked up a part intended for dvb-t receivers |
| [08:55:55] | justinh: | I know the dvb-apps scan util won't accept 32k as a modulation parameter though |
| [08:58:12] | justinh: | I'll try the newer code tonight, and depending how that goes I'll consider trying to contact this 'crazycat' fella |
| [08:58:57] | justinh: | failing that it'll be down to looking at USB analyser traces to work out the differences |
| [08:59:11] | justinh: | also known as 'fun' |
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| [10:43:52] | bas-t: | hi, how can I do an initial channelscan from a bash script, |
| [10:43:53] | bas-t: | insert all non-conflicting dvb channels, cancel all conflicting dvb-channels and ignore all other channels (SCTE and mpeg)? |
| [10:43:53] | bas-t: | Parameters: |
| [10:43:53] | bas-t: | desired services: TV, |
| [10:43:53] | bas-t: | include encrypted channels |
| [10:43:54] | bas-t: | don't test decryption |
| [10:43:56] | bas-t: | scan type: Full Scan Tuned |
| [10:43:58] | bas-t: | Frequency: 369000000 |
| [10:44:00] | bas-t: | Symbol Rate: 6875000 |
| [10:44:02] | bas-t: | Inversion: Auto |
| [10:44:04] | bas-t: | Modulation: QAM 64 |
| [10:44:06] | bas-t: | FEC: Auto |
| [10:44:15] | Merlin83b: | bas-t: Why wouldn't you do the scan from within mythtv? |
| [10:44:59] | bas-t: | because my provider is shitting us and i want dayly fresh database |
| [10:47:13] | bas-t: | Merlin83b: So I need to truncate a couple of tables and fill them correctly on a very regular base |
| [10:47:45] | bas-t: | That's a showstopper unless I automate it |
| [10:50:11] | bas-t: | Moreover: the eit-cache and program table are already truncated every night, otherwise I end up with a bad epg |
| [10:50:58] | Merlin83b: | Ugh, sounds like a mess. Where are you? |
| [10:51:48] | bas-t: | in The Netherlands, with Ziggo as our shitting provider (very good quality of picture though) |
| [10:52:03] | justinh: | I've heard bad things about them more than once in here |
| [10:52:16] | bas-t: | realy? |
| [10:52:23] | justinh: | cable providers tend to deviate from the DVB specs with their own little kinks |
| [10:52:38] | bas-t: | tell me about it... |
| [10:52:38] | justinh: | actually most broadcasters do from time to time |
| [10:53:10] | bas-t: | what about a bash script? |
| [10:53:23] | bas-t: | anyone? |
| [10:53:36] | justinh: | fine for a workaround, but it'd be better to fix it in the main code |
| [10:54:13] | bas-t: | tell me where to look, i'll give it a shot |
| [10:54:20] | justinh: | add some if (broadcaster_is_batshit_crazy) ... |
| [10:54:47] | justinh: | from what you've said it's probably not a simple fix |
| [10:55:18] | bas-t: | ok, i'll go for the workaround then |
| [10:55:34] | justinh: | but at least *report* that there's a problem so somebody can maybe look at it |
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| [10:55:43] | justinh: | and by that I mean open a bug ticket |
| [10:56:17] | bas-t: | i get that, but it is not really a bug in myth |
| [10:56:52] | justinh: | how so? is it broken in other things too? |
| [10:57:43] | bas-t: | hmm, come to think of it, tvheadend does do automated scans |
| [10:58:05] | justinh: | yeah but come to think of it, tvheadend is a pile, apparently |
| [10:58:28] | justinh: | bas-t: so are you saying the provider changes IDs around a lot? |
| [10:59:25] | bas-t: | yes, and other stuff too, like moving channels into other muxes |
| [10:59:46] | bas-t: | changing QAM too |
| [11:00:11] | justinh: | oh god. that's going to be a nightmare even with scripting |
| [11:00:33] | justinh: | how often do they do that?! |
| [11:00:42] | bas-t: | no, just the initial scan will do |
| [11:01:13] | bas-t: | sometimes they don't for a couple of weeks... |
| [11:01:34] | bas-t: | but then they start again |
| [11:02:10] | justinh: | but you could only do a script thing when the backend is idle anyway |
| [11:02:35] | justinh: | IIRC somebody was going to look at auto updates at one point |
| [11:02:44] | bas-t: | it is every night, because of the epg shit |
| [11:03:23] | justinh: | so what happens then? |
| [11:03:47] | bas-t: | ? |
| [11:04:44] | bas-t: | Oh, I see, I truncate the eit-cache and the program tables, so they get filled freshly |
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| [11:05:10] | justinh: | why would you need to, if the channel tuning details are correct? |
| [11:05:44] | justinh: | the order of channels doesn't matter once they're in mythtv |
| [11:06:20] | bas-t: | you don't get it, i hav Ziggo as provider, they even mess up the epg at least every two days |
| [11:07:07] | justinh: | how do you mean 'mess up' ? |
| [11:07:41] | justinh: | clearing out the EIT cache & program tables won't matter, if you don't know when a *good* time to start again is |
| [11:08:20] | justinh: | and isn't there an alternative to get guide data where you are? |
| [11:08:53] | justinh: | though if your channel lineups are always getting messed with, handling xmltv on top of that will be a bigger pain |
| [11:09:14] | bas-t: | i get holes in the epg, start and stop times are incorrect, resulting in missed or messed recordings and such |
| [11:10:11] | bas-t: | anyway, my epg workaround works really good, for a couple of years now |
| [11:10:35] | justinh: | you don't wanna know what I'd do... (tell the provider where to shove their TV service) |
| [11:11:20] | bas-t: | sadly, i don't have a good alternative where i live |
| [11:11:41] | justinh: | we can't use *any* open source software for non-free TV here |
| [11:12:02] | justinh: | or even closed source software. It's the hardware the provider lets you have, or nothing |
| [11:13:30] | bas-t: | well, at least i get to have my 8 tuners dvb mythbackend and it runs really stable. so just that last workaround and i'm good |
| [11:13:43] | justinh: | ugh, they use CI+.. so how do you even.. ? |
| [11:14:56] | bas-t: | i use my own software, but apparently i cant tell you what it is, my nickname should give you an idea though, look at github |
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| [11:17:54] | bas-t: | btw: it's legal where i live |
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| [11:24:58] | k-man: | justinh, no, i wasn't aware of that |
| [11:25:41] | justinh: | k-man: yeah apparently different TVs allow different keys – some allow just the dir pad & OK, others pass more |
| [11:26:08] | k-man: | justinh, oh, thats kind of annoying |
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| [11:26:42] | k-man: | i have a strange usecase, i want lirc to receive the power key from my remote and turn the TV on and off via CEC |
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| [11:27:15] | k-man: | which i can do with the cec-client program but its very slow ~= second to detect the TVs state and toggle it |
| [11:27:31] | k-man: | 1 second that is |
| [11:27:47] | justinh: | k-man: AFAIK you can use the cec-client program, then press buttons on your tv remote & see what comes out |
| [11:28:10] | k-man: | justinh, ah right, i'll have a look at that |
| [11:29:19] | justinh: | since there doesn't seem to be any information about which TVs send what I won't be bothering with a cec adapter – not worth laying out money if it's only good for 6 buttons |
| [11:30:37] | k-man: | fair enough |
| [11:31:33] | k-man: | i've been tinkering with this HP mediacenter remote I got, which is almost good, but its annoying in that you can't turn the TV on and off withought having to change to the TV mode of the remote first |
| [11:31:47] | justinh: | some things will 'work' with only 6 buttons but it's a PITA |
| [11:32:57] | justinh: | turns out that the remote which came with my dvb-t2 STB is a universal thing. I'm gonna see if I can buy another one separately |
| [11:34:17] | justinh: | ow £25 for a remote? A bit steep |
| [11:35:18] | k-man: | url? |
| [11:37:10] | justinh: | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-ORIGINAL-an . . . em2a3a409b3a |
| [11:39:17] | justinh: | I bought my dad one of the newer harmony remotes the other christmas. He's never used it & carries on with his 4 remotes |
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| [11:41:31] | k-man: | this is the remote I've been trying out, i wrote about it here: http://emacstragic.net/hp-mediasmart-ir-remote-mythtv/ |
| [11:41:59] | k-man: | oh, i tried a harmony remote once, god damn aweful imho |
| [11:42:23] | justinh: | oh the newer ones are a big improvement |
| [11:42:40] | justinh: | I was hacked off by harmony once – the most useful buttons wore out really fast |
| [11:43:10] | justinh: | but they've moved from tact switches to conductive rubber mats like real long-lasting remotes use |
| [11:44:08] | justinh: | k-man: so did you getthe IR blaster working on the receiver? I never managed to & I have the same |
| [11:44:33] | justinh: | it'd 'blink' the IR LED but as far as I could tell it wasn't sending modulated data |
| [11:45:51] | justinh: | I wasted a lot of time with that – I ended up using a Pi for blaster duties |
| [11:46:03] | k-man: | justinh, no, not tried that part. i thought i could control the tv over CEC but that seems to be less than perfect. I might have to try their blaster method |
| [11:46:06] | justinh: | Pi, lirc & php |
| [11:46:45] | k-man: | right |
| [11:46:47] | justinh: | probably unwise to use php to run system commands but it's on my home network |
| [11:47:09] | k-man: | or i might try a proffesional grade remote – someone i know works in that industry and could get me one |
| [11:47:25] | k-man: | i forget the make and model he suggested to me though |
| [11:47:45] | justinh: | actually it only passes parameters to a script, and all the script can do is irsend :-P |
| [11:50:01] | k-man: | yeah on a home network anything goes |
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| [11:58:50] | k-man: | have you seen this site before: http://www.remotecentral.com/reviews/sony_rmvl610/index.html |
| [11:58:54] | k-man: | and that remote looks quite good |
| [12:00:43] | justinh: | gah. that crazycat dude reverted the tuner driver change already |
| [12:02:34] | k-man: | what? |
| [12:03:40] | justinh: | just me, babbling on. I bought a tuner I thought was supported according to the linuxtv wiki. turns out it's not. dvb-t2 no worky |
| [12:04:08] | k-man: | damn! that sucks |
| [12:04:49] | justinh: | I *kinda* got a scan of a dvb-t2 mux to work in that it pulls out the correct serviceids for the channels on there |
| [12:05:17] | justinh: | but that might be a misleading result |
| [12:05:52] | justinh: | hmm is my backend busy right now? I could try a scan of the same freq on a dvb-t tuner |
| [12:06:24] | justinh: | nope, frontend isn't on either |
| [12:10:35] | justinh: | nah can't grok a T2 mux with a T tuner at all, so *something* about the T2 tuner end is working |
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| [12:11:40] | k-man: | when i play back live HD tv, it seems to stutter |
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| [12:12:02] | k-man: | less so during ads, maybe they are in lower resolution or something |
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| [18:35:54] | bas-t: | hi, my cable provider frequently changes things in the network. so i need to know if i can I do a channelscan from a bash script, to automate updates in the db, and of course how to do so |
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| [18:38:28] | bas-t: | can you give me pointers? |
| [18:42:51] | bas-t: | Parameters i need to use: |
| [18:42:51] | bas-t: | desired services: TV, |
| [18:42:51] | bas-t: | include encrypted channels |
| [18:42:51] | bas-t: | don't test decryption |
| [18:42:51] | bas-t: | scan type: Full Scan (Tuned) |
| [18:42:53] | bas-t: | Frequency: 369000000 |
| [18:42:55] | bas-t: | Symbol Rate: 6875000 |
| [18:42:57] | bas-t: | Inversion: Auto |
| [18:42:59] | bas-t: | Modulation: QAM 64 |
| [18:43:01] | bas-t: | FEC: Auto |
| [18:44:10] | bas-t: | next, i want to insert all non-conflicting dvb channels, cancel all conflicting dvb-channels and ignore all other channels (SCTE and mpeg) |
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