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| [10:26:58] | Wanton: | Hi All, I've got a puzzler. |
| [10:28:36] | Wanton: | I need to set the location for videos on mythtv on OS X |
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| [13:46:07] | moparisthebest: | is this the place to ask mythweb questions too? |
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| [18:19:32] | jarle: | moparisthebest: sure |
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| [18:29:48] | moparisthebest: | so mythweb doesn't seem to fully handle recorded.basename have a directory in it |
| [18:30:16] | moparisthebest: | ie, being something like "Some Show/S01E01.mkv" |
| [18:30:26] | moparisthebest: | the streaming works, the thumbnails do not |
| [18:30:41] | moparisthebest: | is that a mythweb bug or does mythtv in general not support that kind of setup? |
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| [18:41:59] | sphery: | moparisthebest: MythTV does not support changing the recorded.basename at all... while it may work in some parts, it is not tested for |
| [18:42:39] | sphery: | moparisthebest: we started to allow it then found that it's not a workable solution because of all the problems with varying character encodings and file system character support, so we do not allow it |
| [18:43:06] | sphery: | moparisthebest: instead, if you want to name files you should be moving them /out/ of Watch Recordings (recorded) and into Video Library |
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| [18:45:03] | moparisthebest: | whats the proper way to do that? |
| [18:45:13] | moparisthebest: | preferably something I can do from a bash script :/ |
| [18:45:30] | sphery: | which, incidentally, is a /much/ better location for storage of any video that you care to keep long term/archive and, especially, that you get from any source other than MythTV recording (since it doesn't require directly editing MythTV data--without anything checking that the data meets our data constraints, since those constraints are only expressed/implemented in MythTV code--you can just "Scan for Changes) |
| [18:46:06] | sphery: | and since your file is an mkv, it seems it's either a recording that you care to keep long term (and, therefore, transcoded and/or cut) or from some non-recording source |
| [18:46:16] | sphery: | Video Library is the preferred location for it |
| [18:46:30] | moparisthebest: | yea it's stripped of commercials and transcoded by this same script |
| [18:46:47] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519758#519758 mentions some of why it's a better UI for anything other than "short term storage of recordings that will be watched and deleted soon" |
| [18:46:51] | moparisthebest: | and since I often play recordings directly from this directory, it's nice to have them named/sorted |
| [18:47:13] | sphery: | and there are scripts that help move recordings from Watch Recordings, such as: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py |
| [18:47:25] | sphery: | and feel free to enhance mythvidexport.py |
| [18:48:51] | sphery: | generally, you'd 1) record, 2) edit the recording, 3) transcode to remove commercials and re-create the seek table, 4) run mythvidexport.py (with appropriate naming, such as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing ), then 5) do a metadata lookup on the new video (with W, interactively, or may be done by mythvidexport or?) |
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| [18:50:46] | moparisthebest: | is there a supported way of deleting recordings outside of mythtv? like from a bash script? |
| [18:50:56] | moparisthebest: | or a list of tables I need to remove data from, something like that |
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| [19:06:21] | sphery: | moparisthebest: you need to ask mythbackend to delete the recording for you |
| [19:06:32] | sphery: | moparisthebest: the best way to do that is to use the python bindings |
| [19:06:54] | sphery: | there are examples at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Python_Scripts |
| [19:07:26] | sphery: | including http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Delete_recordings.py , which is a "generic" "search for a recording by whatever field and interactively delete it" script |
| [19:07:44] | moparisthebest: | hmm, didn't want to get into python... :) |
| [19:09:12] | sphery: | but there are /often/ request for "a command-line way to delete a recording", so a nice script that accepts arguments, requiring either chanid/starttime or basename, and just deletes the recording (possibly with a --force argument for when the file doesn't exist) would be a great addition to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Python_Scripts |
| [19:09:48] | sphery: | it would take very little code (almost all of it handling the 4 args) and I'm sure a Python expert (like wagnerrp) could write it in <5min |
| [19:10:10] | sphery: | and even I (who don't speak snake) could probably hack my way through it in 30min |
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| [19:10:33] | sphery: | I'd start with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Delete_recordings.py and just remove all the "extras" |
| [19:11:03] | sphery: | and I'd /really/ appreciate someone's going to the trouble of doing that |
| [19:11:38] | sphery: | we definitely don't support just deleting records out of the database--as there's a lot of data spread across a lot of tables (and only linked via MythTV code, no database constraints) that needs to be handled for a delete |
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| [19:12:15] | sphery: | and the tables will be changing over time (including a /very/ major/complete change as soon as I get a chance to do the work for it) |
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| [19:12:52] | sphery: | but if you use the bindings to ask the backend to do the delete for you, you won't be affected by those changes |
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| [19:17:53] | moparisthebest: | ok I might look into that |
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| [19:18:19] | moparisthebest: | I *do* speak python, just not as well as I speak bash :) |
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| [19:24:36] | SteveGoodey: | sphery: Thanks for the mini-howto on mythvideo. I'll print off the irc and try to keep it handy. |
| [19:27:23] | sphery: | SteveGoodey: y/w... and feel free to create the delete_recording.py script I mentioned, too... If any one person would create it and post it, then anyone could use it in a bash script or whatever with: /usr/local/bin/delete_recording.py --chanid=1021 --starttime=201403022000 or /usr/local/bin/delete_recording.py --filename=1021_201403022000.mpg |
| [19:27:29] | sphery: | ;) |
| [19:27:51] | sphery: | or moparisthebest or anyone ... :) |
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| [19:40:26] | ** rhollan_ thinks SQL stored procedures to do proper deletes? *ducks* ** | |
| [19:41:13] | moparisthebest: | that's not such a bad idea, I could call one of those from bash |
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| [19:42:14] | rhollan_: | Arguably it's what the myth BE should do as well so all the code to keep the tables consistent is in SQL. |
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| [19:42:29] | rhollan_: | That said, SQL stored procedures are, er, not something I relish. |
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| [20:06:06] | moparisthebest: | sphery: I went to write that script |
| [20:06:20] | moparisthebest: | and it looks like delete_recordings.py already supports that, via the --force argument |
| [20:06:22] | moparisthebest: | delete_recordings.py --force --basename=1052_20140111223000.mpg |
| [20:06:29] | moparisthebest: | just deletes, no interaction |
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| [20:07:45] | moparisthebest: | isn't that what you wanted sphery? |
| [20:12:27] | moparisthebest: | though, now that I look at it, the only place --force is documented is the code |
| [20:12:36] | moparisthebest: | maybe that article should be modified to include it |
| [20:17:58] | sphery: | moparisthebest: I suppose that would work for you... the problem with always using force is that it means it will delete the metadata from the database even if the file isn't found--which means you'll create (multi-gigabyte) orphaned files if, for example, a file system isn't mounted or something |
| [20:19:34] | sphery: | moparisthebest: also, note that mythvidexport.py will do the delete for you, too--so you only need to delete if you're not using that and are manually moving files (i.e. if transcoding externally so you can put things in mkv and/or good video/audio codecs, rather than MPEG-2 (if lossless cutting) or MPEG-4 ASP in NUV) |
| [20:21:09] | sphery: | though you could move the recording with mythvidexport.py (to keep all the season/episode info, etc., and name it properly for video library metadata lookup), then once it's in Video Library, do the transcoding/cutting, then clear/re-create the seek table (with mythcommflag --rebuild or whatever) |
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| [20:25:42] | moparisthebest: | also do you ever experiance --force, with a file existing, has to be ran multiple times to actually delete? |
| [20:25:47] | moparisthebest: | that's super strange |
| [20:26:22] | moparisthebest: | I just ran it across 10 files or so, and had to run it about 8 times for all of them to actually be deleted |
| [20:27:11] | moparisthebest: | http://sprunge.us/aFLH |
| [20:27:14] | moparisthebest: | ? :/ |
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| [20:33:10] | moparisthebest: | sphery: so you want a simple protection against deleting if the file doesn't exist on the system? |
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| [20:36:37] | moparisthebest: | I also can't seem to find python docs |
| [20:36:43] | moparisthebest: | the api docs I mean |
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| [21:10:34] | moparisthebest: | also I can get the basename, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the storage group with python |
| [21:10:45] | moparisthebest: | so if someone can tell me that, I can finish this script :) |
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| [23:56:50] | Twiggy2cents: | Or does it need updated? I dont see anything coming up with it |
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