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sodapiglet:

Hi! Im having some issues getting my hauppauge HD-PVR box working iun mythtv. When I press Watch TV I just get a flash of a "1" countdown, and its gone again, but when doing cat..... I get video output. I guess I have to initialize the box somehow, but how do I do that_

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sodapiglet:

?

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sodapiglet:

oh, and Im on mint 16 cinnamon

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SteveGoodey:

sodapiglet: Hi, have you gone through the mythtv backend setup?

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: Hi! yes, several times :)

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: I might have missed something though

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: I made a script out of the example startup script here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR and used system command event editor to put the script in "LiveTV Started", but it does not seem to start the box, no lights in it, but when I cat it, it lights up and creates a video :S

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SteveGoodey:

Anything in the backend logs that might help?

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: it might, where can I find them?

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SteveGoodey:

Try /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log. But that's on Mythbuntu.

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: ah, found it, and found the problem, but I dont know how to fix it. It says it cant find channel "Please Add". I havent put anything in that field in the backend, because it says in the wiki to not put anything in there for the hd pvr.

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: btw, im am referring to: " Important Note: You must set a channel change script for the HD-PVR to work properly. If you don't care about channel changes, you can set it to /bin/true, but there absolutely must be a channel change script defined. Important note 2: You must leave Preset tuner to channel empty or LiveTV and channel changes will not work. "

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: seems this is just too complex, Im giving up. Looks like the wiki is outdated as well, since it is referring to choices that are either moved or do not exist.

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SteveGoodey:

sodapiglet: Have you tried putting the error message into google. It looks like other people were having the same problem but that was some time ago.

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: yes, problem is Im not using an IR blaster either, which most of these are addressing.

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SteveGoodey:

Sorry I couldn't help more.

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sodapiglet:

SteveGoodey: no problem, thats what I get for having horrible hardware I guess :)

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SteveGoodey:

Yeah, that does cause most of the problems I think.

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sodapiglet:

but, you gotta work with what you got :p

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stareye:

hi

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stareye:

i have a card on ubuntu i am not geting any chanels when i search

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stareye:

also on xawtv doesnt show any channel

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stareye:

the card is dvb pinnacle 300i

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stareye:

when i seaerch it says locked

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kjj:

Is there any way to tell myth to never schedule recording at certain times on certain devices?

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kjj:

or do I just need to make a max priority recording for those times?

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kjj:

basically, my cable provider tests EAS at 2:20 AM every saturday, and it nukes my HDPVR recordings

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eee-blt:

kjj: you should be able to do this in custom recordings.

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eee-blt:

if you cycle through the examples, i think there are some relevant ones that use starttime

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eee-blt:

you then choose the matches *not* to record and put the priority at +10 or whatever

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neufeld:

I've got a solution for the same problem

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neufeld:

It's a custom recording priority to discourage recording on my tuner1 any time between 1:30 and 3:00 AM.

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neufeld:

It's a bit long...

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** neufeld searches his mysqldump for the text of the rule... **

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neufeld:

INSERT INTO `powerpriority` VALUES ('Avoid HD box from 01h30 to 03h00',-5,'cardinput.cardinputid = 1 AND TIMESTAMPDIFF(MINUTE, DATE_ADD(DATE(CONVERT_TZ(program.endtime,\'UTC\',\'SYSTEM\')), INTERVAL 90 MINUTE), CONVERT_TZ(program.endtime,\'UTC\',\'SYSTEM\')) > 0 AND TIMESTAMPDIFF(MINUTE, DATE_ADD(DATE(CONVERT_TZ(program.endtime,\'UTC\',\'SYSTEM\')), INTERVAL 180 MINUTE),

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neufeld:

CONVERT_TZ(program.starttime,\'UTC\',\'SYSTEM\')) < 0');

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neufeld:

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neufeld:

So, you go to the custom priority setting and input everything from 'cardinput.cardinputid=1' onwards. I've set the penalty to -5, but you can make it more if necessary.

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neufeld:

kjj: you'll need to find your cardinputid, it may not be the same as mine.

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neufeld:

What this rule does is sets a penalty for any show that both starts before 3:00 AM and ends after 1:30 AM. It won't penalize a show that begins before midnight, though.

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kjj:

cool, thanks

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kjj:

is there a clever way around having to shut down the backend when making changes like this? During the olympics, I have something running 24/7

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neufeld:

You don't have to shut down the backend to put in that change.

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neufeld:

Just enter it in the custom priority menu from the frontend settings

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neufeld:

The scheduler will automatically re-run and re-weight the shows

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neufeld:

Just to be clear, do not issue the INSERT command from SQL. Do this through the mythtv interfaces

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kjj:

oh, ok. found it.

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kjj:

the menu trees are garbage. hope I'm not offending too many people by saying that. :)

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louisdk:

Is it possible to delete xmltv data from a specific channel in mytht

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sodapiglet:

anyone know of an updated wiki for using hauppauge hd-pvr with mythtv? the cat works like a charm, recording everything, but using mythTV does not work, I do not get any feed at all

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wagnerrp:

you're trying to access it as an HDPVR input? not a V4L input?

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sodapiglet:

probably, as I dont know what a V4L input is

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sodapiglet:

hehe

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phlegm:

Hey all quick question. I'm getting really slow navigation when viewing recordings recently. Is there a way to disable previews so I can see if that is where the problem is?

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wagnerrp:

when you added the capture device in mythtv-setup, it should have been the first type selected in the dropdown

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wagnerrp:

and since it blindly accepts any device found in the format /dev/video[n], it would have tried to use the HDPVR

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sodapiglet:

yes, and it added it fine, but in the wiki it says I cant add anything in the preselected channel, but it wont start if I havent

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wagnerrp:

there's two different settings there

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wagnerrp:

one is the dropdown that lets you select from a list of channels you want mythtv to tune to

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wagnerrp:

the other is a editable field that lets you define a channel you want to tune the actual capture device to

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sodapiglet:

yes, and I cant leave that field empty it seems

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wagnerrp:

it's for when you're trying to use a tuner to capture the output of a VCR or some other device on channel 3/4

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wagnerrp:

you must leave that field blank

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sodapiglet:

because it complains about not being able to tune into "please add..."

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wagnerrp:

the "please add..." is the dropdown

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sodapiglet:

and there is no options other than please add, unless I define a channel list

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wagnerrp:

you must define a channel list

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sodapiglet:

problem is, there is no wiki for adding a channel list when using hd pvr

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wagnerrp:

mythtv must know what channels it can tune

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sodapiglet:

:p

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to capture from?

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sodapiglet:

Hauppauge HD-PVR

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kjj:

pretty sure you can't scan with it. get with schedulesdirect to set that up, then attach it to the pvr

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wagnerrp:

netcom.no.... not sure if there's a way to pull a channel lineup from an XMLTV provider

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wagnerrp:

you may need to manually define the channels in the channel editor

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wagnerrp:

for users in north america, we pull a lineup from our guide data provider

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sodapiglet:

thing is, its not a tuner per se, its just a composite device catch thingy

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wagnerrp:

correct, but you're connecting it to a tuner

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wagnerrp:

cable box, satellite receiver, iptv box... something of that sort

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will be changing channels on that

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sodapiglet:

well, I dont want it to do that, I want it to be able to record what it sees

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kjj:

then make one channel manually, and set it to that

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wagnerrp:

that's how mythtv operates

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sodapiglet:

but how do I define a channel manually, that actually works_

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sodapiglet:

do I need some kind of setup to actually start the box?

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kjj:

anyone use an iguanaIR receiver? I can't get lirc to repeat my arrow keys when I hold them

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kjj:

sodapiglet: once you have the capture card added, make an input source, then add a channel to that source. then go back and add that source to the card, and set that one channel as the start channel

[20:11:36]

wagnerrp:

you will also need to define an external channel changer, since the HDPVR is just a capture device

[20:11:40]

wagnerrp:

for now, use /bin/true

[20:13:11]

phlegm:

Does anybody know how to disable previews in the recorded programs screens?

[20:13:39]

wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, mythtv is intended as a dvr, where you have it automatically record tv based off recording rules

[20:13:56]

wagnerrp:

that means it needs your full list of channels, and it needs to be able to control the tuner connected to your HDPVR

[20:14:00]

ctmjr:

in lircrc add repeatmythtv

[20:14:23]

wagnerrp:

if this does not sound like the purpose you are trying to accomplish, mythtv is probably the wrong application for your needs

[20:14:41]

ctmjr:

that came out wrong

[20:15:06]

sodapiglet:

well, what I actually want it to do is record what is being put through the box, and it supposed to be possible, but, tricky it seems

[20:15:13]

kjj:

my .lircrc/mythtv works fine with a different IR receiver

[20:15:50]

kjj:

sodapiglet: yeah, that's not what was in mind when it was designed. but you can fake it

[20:15:55]

wagnerrp:

what exactly are you trying to record?

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** wagnerrp cannot seem to find any of his spare ROM drives **

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kjj:

sodapiglet: you need to set things up like I said before, then go in to live TV. hit R when you want to start recording

[20:16:30]

sodapiglet:

kjj: fake it till you make it xD hum, might the problem be where I am supposed to set the channel frequency table?

[20:16:31]

wagnerrp:

i know i threw out a bunch of old CDROMs

[20:16:44]

wagnerrp:

but i thought i kept one or two DVD drives

[20:17:00]

wagnerrp:

sodapiglet: frequency table is irrelevant, since you're not controlling a real tuner

[20:17:25]

wagnerrp:

you're just feeding integer channels to an external tuners, or for the current case, not doing anything

[20:17:26]

kjj:

sodapiglet: start over. delete all capture cards, then re-add it. make sure the type is set right (HDPVR) first

[20:18:01]

sodapiglet:

kjj: done

[20:18:11]

kjj:

the continue by adding a video source, adding a channel to it, and finally adding that video source to the capture device

[20:18:14]

kjj:

er, then

[20:18:54]

kjj:

what you put into the channel info doesn't matter at all, it just needs to exist

[20:19:31]

sodapiglet:

since I do not feed it actual channels, I wouldnt need to set a grabber either, right?

[20:20:12]

kjj:

erm, I'm not sure about that. try leaving it blank, if it complains, try /bin/true

[20:20:24]

wagnerrp:

sodapiglet: just to check, are you actually expecting to watch what is captured by this live?

[20:20:44]

sodapiglet:

wagnerrp: according to the wiki, yes I am xD

[20:20:58]

wagnerrp:

be aware that even in mythtv's "live tv" mode, there is a 2–3 second delay between what is captured and what is output to your display

[20:21:16]

sodapiglet:

used to that :)

[20:21:37]

sodapiglet:

but.. starting channel... that needs to be set I guess

[20:21:49]

sodapiglet:

please add channels to this source

[20:22:05]

kjj:

you know, a plugin to read a physical trigger signal line and start/stop recording would make myth very useful in other scenarios...

[20:22:10]

wagnerrp:

just making sure you're not expecting to play games on your PC monitor using this

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[R]:

kjj: start stop recording what

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sodapiglet:

wagnerrp: haha, no, that would be stupid :) Im recording old family videos :D

[20:22:51]

kjj:

[R]: recording whatever

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[R]:

kjj: "whatever" makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

so why not just use 'cat' from the terminal

[20:23:08]

wagnerrp:

and terminate the recording when it hits the end of playback?

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kjj:

[R]: whatever the person setting it up wants recorded

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wagnerrp:

sodapiglet: note that without guide data, mythtv chops of "live" recordings into 30 minute chunks

[20:23:51]

sodapiglet:

waitwhat?!

[20:24:00]

sodapiglet:

then its totally useless forme

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sodapiglet:

aaawh

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sodapiglet:

thanks for saying though, that would have screwed up my weekend xD

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[R]:

kjj: well there is an api...

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wagnerrp:

you have a recording device with component outputs that doesn't allow digital access to the recordings?

[20:26:46]

wagnerrp:

playback through an HDPVR should be an unnecessary step in this process

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sodapiglet:

wagnerrp: I have an old video camera with composit output which works fine in windows, but does not work in linux at all

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wagnerrp:

does the HDPVR even do composite video?

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sodapiglet:

only thing that I could find to support it was mythtv

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sodapiglet:

composit and component

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sodapiglet:

up to 1080i

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kjj:

actually, since the driver has a v4l interface, it should work with damn near every video program for linux

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wagnerrp:

oh, it has composite and svideo on the front

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and component in the rear

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[R]:

BAZINGA

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wagnerrp:

inputs and outputs

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wagnerrp:

it goes both ways

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[R]:

nice

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sodapiglet:

yes it does :)

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sodapiglet:

so you can connect it in the middle, with source at one end, and tv on the other

[20:31:01]

sodapiglet:

nice little box, when it works

[20:31:01]

sodapiglet:

hehe

[20:32:12]

sodapiglet:

what I wanted primarily was to record straight into kdenlive or pitivi or something, but nothing works so far

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sodapiglet:

I can create a file, but the output has no sound and looks like doodoo

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[R]:

well you did say composite

[20:33:27]

[R]:

what are you expecting

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[R]:

hd?

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wagnerrp:

do you get audio when you 'cat' the device node to a file?

[20:33:59]

sodapiglet:

expecting more than 240x220

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sodapiglet:

wagnerrp: not when going straight through, probably due to aac vs ac3

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ctmjr:

mplayer should do what you want ask in their channel

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wagnerrp:

it should not make any difference

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sodapiglet:

wagnerrp: there are some firmware issues around aac and ac3

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wagnerrp:

either way, i cannot believe you're recording digital audio from a device with only composite video outputs

[20:37:30]

kjj:

ok, so my IR setup is: (receiver) -> igdaemon -> lircd -> myth. myth is not getting repeats. irw doesn't see repeats. igclient DOES see repeats.

[20:38:28]

kjj:

wagnerrp: it also has analog audio inputs on front

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wagnerrp:

right, which should get compressed and muxed into a ts file with the video

[20:39:48]

wagnerrp:

and that should all get dumped out onto the /dev/video0 node

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were referring to issues capturing aac/ac3 from the optical input

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[R]:

kjj: well if irw doesnt see it... sounds like igdaemon is a piece of garbage

[20:43:38]

sodapiglet:

ugh, think I have messed to much with this, now I cant get output from cat anymore

[20:43:38]

sodapiglet:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

all mythtv (or any other program) is going to do is copy that compressed datastream from /dev/video

[20:44:14]

wagnerrp:

so if that's not working, mythtv won't work

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kjj:

fixed it

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sodapiglet:

true, it DID work, but not right now. I need something that can store the compressed datastream

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wagnerrp:

'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg'

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kjj:

turns out I was still using my raw codes lircd.conf on that box. swapped it out, repeat works fine again

[20:46:18]

sodapiglet:

sudo cat /dev/video1 > test1.ts

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sodapiglet:

cat: /dev/video1: Input/output error

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wagnerrp:

is that the right input?

[20:47:16]

sodapiglet:

it used to be

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sodapiglet:

hehe

[20:47:28]

wagnerrp:

usually they're numbered sequentially from 0

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wagnerrp:

do you have another capture device or webcam that would have taken the 0 spot?

[20:48:03]

sodapiglet:

yes, got a webcam

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sodapiglet:

which just says invalid argument

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kjj:

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", ATTR{name}=="Hauppauge HD PVR", KERNEL=="video*", SYMLINK+="hdpvr_$env{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}" <-- best udev rule ever

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sodapiglet:

ah, think I know what is causing this

[20:51:20]

sodapiglet:

probably myth holding on to it cus it has been configured in the backend

[20:51:41]

sodapiglet:

need a little restart

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justinh:

hahaha. Talk about an email flood. Plenty of replies to my Freecycle ad getting rid of all my 12" records

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justinh:

trouble is, the ad said 'hundreds' when there are actually over a thousand. Whoops

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justinh:

I don't even *like* most of the stuff on those records. I took about a third of them off somebody's hands years ago. I sold my decks last year. Stupid hipster technology

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kjj:

that reminds me, I need to decide if I want to rebuild my B&O myself or find someone competent to do it

[22:02:34]

wagnerrp:

railroad?

[22:03:02]

kjj:

Bang and Olufsen 4004 turntable

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wagnerrp:

meh... just capture them once and be done with it

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justinh:

was never a fan of the sound of B&O gear (or the look of it) but they sure knew about integration

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kjj:

it is more of an heirloom than music player. still, it'd be nice if it worked

[22:04:22]

kjj:

well, worked better

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justinh:

oh, but their CRT TVs... they really knew how to build those. The PSUs on the HT side.. put a bounce test signal on the tube & the boxes stayed still

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justinh:

no bearding, no pulling...

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AndyCap:

do people keep vinyl records as one file per side or split them?

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[R]:

vinyl?

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wagnerrp:

i imagine as with anything else, split them at the song boundary

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justinh:

nobody in their right mind keeps vinyl records

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justinh:

I think my arms are a good couple of inches longer than they should be

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justinh:

no club I've ever worked at has ever been at street level

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justinh:

and i was never one of those guys who could turn up at a venue with only a little bag of 20 cuts. Haha

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AndyCap:

:)

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