| Saturday, February 8th, 2014, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:14] | jm|laptop: | hmm. But smartctl seemingly can probe the port too? |
| [00:00:21] | jm|laptop: | oh |
| [00:00:25] | skd5aner: | oh, well, jm|laptop thinks it's the port? |
| [00:00:29] | jm|laptop: | or maybe just settings on the drive |
| [00:00:32] | jm|laptop: | no no |
| [00:00:41] | jm|laptop: | I think smartctl is addressing the SMART firmware |
| [00:00:49] | skd5aner: | right |
| [00:00:51] | skd5aner: | same here... |
| [00:00:55] | jm|laptop: | and getting some hex values back – one is "max speed" other is "what speed is now, please?" |
| [00:01:00] | skd5aner: | does anythign probe the port? |
| [00:01:10] | jm|laptop: | the kernel / the driver :) |
| [00:01:24] | jm|laptop: | skd5aner: tried real-time speed tests? |
| [00:01:29] | skd5aner: | nope |
| [00:01:36] | jm|laptop: | and anyway – do you really have a frontend/backend combo? |
| [00:01:45] | skd5aner: | this is server only |
| [00:01:55] | jm|laptop: | and srsly how many muces are you trying to record that'll need 6Gb/s?! |
| [00:02:13] | skd5aner: | jm|laptop: I'm replacing an old IDE drive that caused SIGNFICANT problems with IO... |
| [00:02:16] | jm|laptop: | skd5aner: then unless you have fibre running through the house ... |
| [00:02:29] | wagnerrp: | if you've got a card that can do 500MB/s, why not make sure it can actually run that fast? |
| [00:02:31] | jm|laptop: | I take your point though. If it _should_ work ... |
| [00:02:31] | skd5aner: | since I spent the money, and the board AND drive are supposed to support SATA3, it'd be nice to have the full pipe |
| [00:02:51] | jm|laptop: | kk granted :) |
| [00:03:13] | skd5aner: | I do have 9 physical tuners right now, not including virtual tuners |
| [00:03:14] | skd5aner: | so... |
| [00:03:23] | jm|laptop: | skd5aner: what distro? |
| [00:03:25] | skd5aner: | and, I use the server for more than just a backend... |
| [00:03:40] | jm|laptop: | zomg multi-function backend |
| [00:03:40] | skd5aner: | but, this is not my recording drive, so that's irrelavent |
| [00:03:55] | jm|laptop: | it's like you don't even WANT to record anything ;) |
| [00:04:13] | wagnerrp: | i record to my SSD |
| [00:04:20] | wagnerrp: | kinda |
| [00:04:49] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I have 3 recording drives and 2 video drives, so I'm good for now |
| [00:04:49] | wagnerrp: | it's just there in flight, for at most a few seconds |
| [00:05:01] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: how so? |
| [00:05:07] | wagnerrp: | ZIL |
| [00:05:11] | jm|laptop: | . o O ( zil ) |
| [00:05:12] | jm|laptop: | arse |
| [00:05:20] | wagnerrp: | it's like write cache on a RAID card |
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| [00:05:24] | skd5aner: | ok, you stumped me... I don't know what ZIL is |
| [00:05:31] | skd5aner: | ok, I know what write cache is |
| [00:05:32] | wagnerrp: | ZFS Intent Log |
| [00:05:39] | skd5aner: | gotcha |
| [00:05:54] | wagnerrp: | ZFS writes to the SSD saying i want to push this to permanent storage, and then does so when it gets around to it |
| [00:06:10] | skd5aner: | I learned *nix on BSD, but that was 14 years ago, and way before ZFS |
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| [00:10:32] | ** jm|laptop stands by his cable comment ** | |
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| [00:11:09] | jm|laptop: | . o O ( maybe check out Monster cables ... ) |
| [00:11:19] | skd5aner: | I think I have other sata 3 drives in here, should check those too |
| [00:11:21] | wagnerrp: | hah |
| [00:11:33] | skd5aner: | if they don't work, then it's definitely not the cables |
| [00:12:25] | jm|laptop: | also: harmonics. Drive might need RMAing |
| [00:14:18] | skd5aner: | ssd? |
| [00:15:00] | jm|laptop: | orly?! |
| [00:15:11] | jm|laptop: | again: what distro and kernel |
| [00:15:18] | skd5aner: | ubuntu |
| [00:15:19] | jm|laptop: | no @ harmonics @ ssd |
| [00:15:45] | skd5aner: | 3.11.0-14-generic |
| [00:15:52] | jm|laptop: | AGES OLD KERNEL |
| [00:16:01] | skd5aner: | uhhh |
| [00:16:04] | skd5aner: | no? |
| [00:16:11] | jm|laptop: | what 3.14 is out :) |
| [00:16:36] | jm|laptop: | checked firmware upgrade for drive itself? |
| [00:16:43] | jm|laptop: | no other boards/ifaces to test drive on? |
| [00:16:44] | skd5aner: | not like a 3yo mobo and its sata chipset are bleeding edge |
| [00:16:57] | jm|laptop: | tried it in LOLwindows? |
| [00:17:09] | skd5aner: | nope |
| [00:17:24] | skd5aner: | im guessing its the chpset, not the drive |
| [00:17:27] | jm|laptop: | is it Segate? |
| [00:17:31] | jm|laptop: | Seagate* |
| [00:17:31] | skd5aner: | samsung |
| [00:17:36] | jm|laptop: | I meant that, twice. |
| [00:17:36] | wagnerrp: | does seagate make ssds? |
| [00:17:43] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: :/ |
| [00:18:03] | jm|laptop: | Samsung have that tool thing if you have windows and modernish AHCI drivers |
| [00:18:07] | skd5aner: | seagate doesnt make anything anymore do they? |
| [00:19:14] | wagnerrp: | did they get sold off? |
| [00:19:30] | jm|laptop: | Seagate bought Maxtor |
| [00:19:32] | jm|laptop: | is that what you mean? |
| [00:20:07] | jm|laptop: | http://www.techit.in/2011/12/seagate-acquired . . . 1-4-biliion/ |
| [00:20:59] | jm|laptop: | "They purchased Maxtor in 2006 and Samsung HDD business in 2011." |
| [00:21:02] | jm|laptop: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagate_Technology |
| [00:21:04] | wagnerrp: | that's a shame. samsung made nice drives |
| [00:21:17] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: they still do! iirc they just /acquired/ the lot |
| [00:22:25] | jm|laptop: | now OCZ is down the pan, everything you touch will be Seagate or Western Digital, sort of |
| [00:22:43] | wagnerrp: | or toshiba |
| [00:22:46] | jm|laptop: | even Intel have given up, haven't they? |
| [00:23:17] | jm|laptop: | does Toshiba still do OEM/retail? |
| [00:23:31] | wagnerrp: | they bought HGST |
| [00:24:08] | jm|laptop: | HGST, Inc. (formerly Hitachi Global Storage Technologies) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Western Digital that sells hard disk drives, solid-state drives, and external storage products and services. |
| [00:24:29] | jm|laptop: | ohhhh |
| [00:24:34] | jm|laptop: | To address the requirements of regulatory agencies, in May 2012 WD divested to Toshiba assets that enabled Toshiba to manufacture and sell 3.5-inch hard drives for the desktop and consumer electronics markets |
| [00:24:49] | jm|laptop: | man, it's a crooked market! |
| [00:25:36] | skd5aner: | I don't think Samsung makes any spindle based SSDs at all anymore, which is what I used to buy almost exclusively, seagate bought that business – but Samsung makes SSDs |
| [00:25:54] | wagnerrp: | spindle-based ssd? |
| [00:25:59] | skd5aner: | er |
| [00:26:02] | skd5aner: | HDDs |
| [00:27:15] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: it keeps the silicon cool :) |
| [00:27:43] | skd5aner: | you haven't played aroun with spindle based SSDs yet wagnerrp? The chips spin at 7k RPM, you know... to compress the bits to the very edges of the dimms via centrifugal force |
| [00:29:38] | skd5aner: | sorry, trying to take care of an infant and pay attention, not going so well – not good at multitasking when babies are involved |
| [00:29:52] | wagnerrp: | i thought maybe you were referring to those hybrid units |
| [00:31:57] | skd5aner: | yea, hardly any competition in the HDD space, but everyone in their brother thinks they can manufacture SSDs |
| [00:32:07] | skd5aner: | *and their brother |
| [00:38:04] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: hybrid babies? |
| [00:38:23] | wagnerrp: | HDD with a chunk of flash onboard for read/write cache |
| [00:38:47] | skd5aner: | so, half baby, half.... HDD wit ha chunk of flash onboard? |
| [00:39:47] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: you watching almost human? |
| [00:40:30] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [00:40:40] | skd5aner: | haven't watched any of it yet – worth it? |
| [00:40:48] | wagnerrp: | it has promise |
| [00:41:01] | skd5aner: | it's no fringe, I'm sure |
| [00:41:03] | wagnerrp: | although you may want to wait until it's canceled, and then watch it in its proper order |
| [00:41:17] | skd5aner: | is it likely to be cancelled? |
| [00:41:22] | wagnerrp: | fox is giving it the firefly treatment |
| [00:43:34] | skd5aner: | NBC had "The Firm" a couple of years ago... they did a similiar thing |
| [00:43:58] | skd5aner: | but they had a guarenteed full season of like 20 episodes, so you knew after episode 10 that it was going to be cancelled |
| [00:44:03] | skd5aner: | it was a really good show, I loved it |
| [00:44:22] | skd5aner: | but, probably half of the shows I love get cancelled in the first season, or shortly after... |
| [00:44:40] | skd5aner: | network execs are too satisfied with commidity shows |
| [00:45:42] | skd5aner: | NCIS XVII – Omaha |
| [00:46:24] | wagnerrp: | knock it all you want, i have to be there in a month |
| [00:47:04] | wagnerrp: | well.. i have to be in kansas. driving to omaha to visit my sister |
| [00:47:41] | ctmjr: | it might take a month to get there |
| [00:48:13] | skd5aner: | I don't have a problem with Omaha :) |
| [00:49:10] | wagnerrp: | well at least their airport is better than kansas city |
| [00:49:11] | skd5aner: | I'm knocking very boring, redundant TV |
| [00:49:24] | skd5aner: | which somehow thrives |
| [00:52:32] | wagnerrp: | the assets has... two episodes? i guess that one got canceled fast |
| [00:52:57] | wagnerrp: | what else can i clear out... |
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| [00:54:26] | wagnerrp: | i thought saving hope got canceled, seems it just went canadian |
| [01:04:31] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if there's something we can poll from thetvdb to automatically delete rules once they get canceled |
| [01:06:10] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: still would have to be careful about the differences between cancelled shows, and shows that just end... |
| [01:06:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: particularly in situations where they are in syndication |
| [01:06:52] | skd5aner: | but, I never do ANY kind of cleanup on my rules |
| [01:07:08] | skd5aner: | I'm sure the vast majority of my rules no longer apply |
| [01:07:26] | wagnerrp: | well that does get you into trouble when they start recycling names... :) |
| [01:07:36] | skd5aner: | That's one thing I like about mythweb for recording rules, I can sort by last recorded |
| [01:07:48] | skd5aner: | that has happened to me on occasion |
| [01:07:52] | skd5aner: | "Zero Hour" |
| [01:08:34] | skd5aner: | was a show on discovery/history/tlc about major events (9/11, sadam hussein's capture, etc.), then a major show on ABC last year that got cancelled 1/3 through the season |
| [01:09:04] | wagnerrp: | looks like it was canceled after the third episode |
| [01:09:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: but they filmed something like 10 episodes |
| [01:09:18] | wagnerrp: | but then eventually aired the backlog of completed episodes |
| [01:09:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I still can't figure out this metadata stuff :/ |
| [01:09:48] | skd5aner: | I have no idea why or when I'm ever supposed to get fanart |
| [01:10:01] | wagnerrp: | it's supposed to pull it nightly |
| [01:10:13] | skd5aner: | something is clearly not working for me, and I don't know if it'sa config issue, or a manual process I'm not doing, etc... |
| [01:10:27] | wagnerrp: | there was an issue where it was checking for a global setting, but storing a local one |
| [01:10:35] | wagnerrp: | so it was never getting set enabled |
| [01:10:39] | wagnerrp: | and thus never running |
| [01:10:39] | skd5aner: | tell me what to look for, and I'll look |
| [01:11:21] | skd5aner: | I even went in to a recording rule last time we talked, pulled the inetrefid and put it in the rule, and saved the rule – no artwork was ever pulled for it |
| [01:11:35] | skd5aner: | The only way I seem to be able to get it, is if I manually go and pull it via the UI |
| [01:11:44] | wagnerrp: | right. normal operation as a job only pulls text |
| [01:11:54] | wagnerrp: | artwork is pulled daily through the housekeeper |
| [01:12:02] | wagnerrp: | not entirely sure why the separation, but meh... |
| [01:12:41] | skd5aner: | so, let's go through a scenario, because I want to understand what's supposed to happen |
| [01:12:51] | skd5aner: | I create a new recording rule, record any channel... |
| [01:13:02] | skd5aner: | what is supposed to happen next, from an automation standpoint |
| [01:13:13] | skd5aner: | will it automatically try and retrieve an inetref without interaction? |
| [01:13:20] | wagnerrp: | i just closed this ticket like two weeks ago, but i can't find it |
| [01:13:22] | skd5aner: | (let's say it's a very unique show name) |
| [01:13:34] | skd5aner: | so no possibility of dupes |
| [01:13:37] | wagnerrp: | #12033 |
| [01:13:37] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12033 ** | |
| [01:13:45] | ** skd5aner goes to look ** | |
| [01:14:21] | wagnerrp: | ah, that's why i can't find it. i didn't close it |
| [01:14:22] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:14:58] | skd5aner: | there is a hostname in there for me, and it's my slave be/fe |
| [01:15:17] | wagnerrp: | only the master runs it |
| [01:15:21] | skd5aner: | data set to 1 |
| [01:15:28] | skd5aner: | so, should I null that field? |
| [01:15:33] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:16:23] | wagnerrp: | i think the inetref will only be filled in for the rule if you manually pull it for the rule |
| [01:16:41] | wagnerrp: | if it can pick up the correct show on its own, there's little reason to populate it |
| [01:16:52] | wagnerrp: | and if it cannot pick up the correct show on its own, you're going to have to do it manually anyway |
| [01:17:00] | wagnerrp: | so little reason to automatically backfill |
| [01:17:28] | wagnerrp: | existing recordings will pull from a modified rule if you change it (i think) |
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| [01:19:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ok, nulled out... |
| [01:20:10] | skd5aner: | so, let's see what that does, but for educational purposes, can we run through the scenario? |
| [01:20:12] | wagnerrp: | it should be run automatically on the next housekeeper pass |
| [01:21:21] | wagnerrp: | if all goes well, you create a rule, tell it to run mythmetadataupdate, and you're done |
| [01:21:26] | skd5aner: | back in the jamu days, it will fill inetrefid based on a threshold for matching... does myth not attempt to do that? |
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| [01:21:43] | wagnerrp: | text metadata is pulled through the jobqueue, artwork is pulled daily through the housekeeper |
| [01:22:03] | wagnerrp: | if all doesn't go well, you manually query and define an inetref in the rule, and then everything goes as planned |
| [01:22:38] | skd5aner: | so, you said two different things (I think) – so it does attempt to find and fill in inetref automatically on new rules? |
| [01:22:42] | wagnerrp: | if you then can't pick up season/episode due to a subtitle mismatch, i don't know what the next step |
| [01:22:58] | wagnerrp: | it attempts to find the inetref automatically for recordings |
| [01:23:00] | wagnerrp: | not for rules |
| [01:23:05] | skd5aner: | Ah.... |
| [01:23:13] | skd5aner: | ok, thanks... I follow you now |
| [01:23:26] | skd5aner: | why do it on the recordings rather than at a rule level? |
| [01:23:29] | wagnerrp: | if that doesn't work, you have to define the inetref for the rule, and it propagates to the recordings |
| [01:23:41] | wagnerrp: | if you can do it automatically, there's no reason to do it at a rule level |
| [01:23:57] | skd5aner: | well, I meant... why not do it automatically at the rule level? |
| [01:24:02] | wagnerrp: | don't know |
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| [01:24:18] | skd5aner: | oh, heh – ok... didn't know if there was some logic behind that decision or just – "because" |
| [01:24:35] | wagnerrp: | probably because the jobqueue doesn't operate on rules |
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| [01:24:53] | wagnerrp: | although i don't know why you wouldn't backfill to the rule with the first successful run on a recording |
| [01:24:55] | skd5aner: | did you know you essentially inherited metadata given your maintenance of tmdb3.py :D |
| [01:24:57] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [01:25:06] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
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| [01:26:38] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: you mean, why it wouldn't automatically backfill, correct? |
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| [01:27:06] | wagnerrp: | why the job does not, correct |
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| [01:28:38] | wagnerrp: | hah... http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
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| [01:28:50] | wagnerrp: | i don't think i've ever given a legitimate date to one of those things |
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| [01:31:09] | shodan45: | anyone ever have an hdhomerun stop working, even after power cycling, then mysteriously work fine again later? |
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| [02:23:22] | Korny: | shodan45: could be a bad power suppy |
| [02:23:25] | Korny: | *supply |
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| [02:32:07] | thepb: | Anybody familiar with controlling Hughes DirecTV set top boxes via USB/serial? |
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| [02:35:54] | Vaska: | Hello – What would cause all my mythscreenshots to be just black? |
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| [02:43:44] | wagnerrp: | apparently a steakhouse in my city has escaped |
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| [02:51:20] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp is drunk |
| [02:51:48] | wagnerrp: | it broke free of its foundation and ran off |
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| [02:56:06] | skd5aner: | Now you're sounding like Michael Bay – drunk |
| [02:56:49] | wagnerrp: | the owners cornered it, and had it trapped on a bridge |
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| [03:06:01] | ctmjr: | is that the restaurant floating down the Ohio river? |
| [03:06:32] | wagnerrp: | that makes it sound so boring |
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| [03:09:38] | ctmjr: | you should be a reporter |
| [03:10:41] | wagnerrp: | more on that after the break |
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| [03:27:31] | Vaska: | What would cause all my mythscreenshots to be just black? |
| [03:28:04] | wagnerrp: | perhaps they're being generated before the capture device actually starts streaming video to disk? |
| [03:32:34] | Vaska: | It happens if I pause a recording and then take a screenshot, same if I don't pause. |
| [03:32:50] | Vaska: | Could it be that I need to recompile mythtv since upgrading a video driver? |
| [03:33:29] | wagnerrp: | being unable to take a screenshot could be a cause of your video driver, depending on your video output method |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | but that would be completely independent of screenshots made using mythpreviewgen |
| [03:35:18] | Vaska: | I was really hoping to get a screenshot of the olympics tonight, opening ceremonies, when Mmeredith Vieira said "If you want more information, google it" when mentioning the cyrilic alphabet |
| [03:35:33] | wagnerrp: | what output method are you using? |
| [03:36:54] | Vaska: | vdpau, high quality I think? |
| [03:37:35] | Vaska: | screenshots worked as recently as a few months ago, I should just recompile maybe |
| [03:37:46] | wagnerrp: | try using the opengl renderer |
| [03:38:18] | wagnerrp: | or, find the timestamp of the shot you want (or go into edit mode and find the exact frame) and use mythpreviewgen to extract it |
| [03:38:46] | Vaska: | ah, I like the idea of the mythpreviewgen, thanks, but I'll also try opengl |
| [03:39:10] | clever: | i would just open it with mplayer -vf screenshot, seek to the right point, and hit s to take a snapshot |
| [03:39:32] | clever: | hmmm, how hard would it be to put a snapshot key directly into the frontend? |
| [03:40:11] | wagnerrp: | i'm pretty sure it has one |
| [03:40:50] | Vaska: | I have it bound to shift-f10 |
| [03:41:32] | wagnerrp: | http://snag.gy/Yr7t7.jpg |
| [03:42:13] | Vaska: | works great with opengl, thanks wagnerrp. Are there any drawbacks in using that rather than vdpau? |
| [03:42:34] | clever: | more cpu usage for decoding i believe |
| [03:42:48] | wagnerrp: | different deinterlacers, decoding using the CPU rather than VPU on the graphics chip |
| [03:42:57] | Vaska: | wagnerrp: which theme is that? |
| [03:43:43] | wagnerrp: | arclight |
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| [06:41:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp / clever : It's not TV Playback|SCREENSHOT, it's Global|SCREENSHOT |
| [06:41:46] | sphery: | (works everywhere--not just in playback) |
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| [07:52:45] | clahey_: | Anyone around? |
| [07:53:03] | clahey_: | I'm getting the following error when I try to watch TV on my new MythTV setup with an HDHomeRun Prime: |
| [07:53:19] | clahey_: | Feb 8 02:50:51 MythTV mythbackend: mythbackend[22015]: E TVRecEvent recorders/hdhrstreamhandler.cpp:429 (TunerSet) HDHRSH(131A34CF-0): DeviceSet(vchannel 7): |
| [07:53:19] | clahey_: | ERROR: invalid virtual channel |
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| [09:23:03] | stuartm: | https://forum.mythtv.org |
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| [10:00:38] | ctmjr: | you should put the link in the topic if you have not done so allready and thanks |
| [10:20:54] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
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| [10:50:19] | stuartm: | ctmjr: we will, just going with a soft launch to start with so that we can iron out any issues before an official launch |
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| [11:08:22] | stuartm: | MythTV official community forums – https://forum.mythtv.org/ |
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| [15:37:51] | wagnerrp: | seems tmdb3.py has now been backported all the way to 0.23 |
| [15:38:01] | ** wagnerrp does not understand why users insist on running such ancient versions ** | |
| [15:48:07] | clahey_: | wagnerrp: Thanks for the help yesterday. Turns out my card wasn't paired for some reason. Working great now. |
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| [15:49:24] | wagnerrp: | pairing tends to be a frequent issue with those things |
| [15:50:53] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: should we implement incessant nagging popups warning people that their version is no longer supported? |
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| [16:13:43] | sphery: | stuartm: perhaps a kill switch--will fit with the California government's ideas for cell phones, too |
| [16:17:18] | wagnerrp: | if the kill switch is under the sole control of the owner, i don't see a problem |
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| [16:18:10] | wagnerrp: | other than the inevitable flaws in such a system that will allow it to be breached, making it a simple waste of money spent on development time |
| [16:19:22] | wagnerrp: | it's been so long since *that* grabber reared its ugly head on the mailing list |
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| [18:08:47] | sphery: | I love the "I (who can't fix the problem myself) think my approach would have worked if it was the problem you said, so I'm not going to try the approach you suggested," we see so often on the list. |
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| [18:09:19] | sphery: | it seems free tech support is generally free tech support + free twisting your arm to get you to actually do what's suggested |
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| [18:36:24] | Korny: | hmmm |
| [18:37:47] | Korny: | I think I'm going to reload my Livingroom front end its so laggy, and also delete all database references to it and see if that fixes it, my ion boxes are more responsive then this box :/ |
| [18:38:09] | wagnerrp: | 100mbps or gigabit ethernet? what graphics? |
| [18:38:16] | Korny: | gigabit nvidia card |
| [18:38:23] | Korny: | its teh gui thats pokey |
| [18:38:31] | wagnerrp: | opengl or qt rendering? |
| [18:38:44] | Korny: | I think its set on auto, but let me check |
| [18:40:27] | Korny: | It was set in auto, want me to try opengl or qt? |
| [18:40:38] | wagnerrp: | ideally, it should have autoselected opengl |
| [18:40:55] | wagnerrp: | just having references to it in the database should not have any effect on performance |
| [18:40:58] | Korny: | I'll try opengl, do I need to restart the frontend? |
| [18:41:17] | wagnerrp: | it it's almost certainly going to be some setting stored in the database |
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| [18:43:29] | Korny: | wagnerrp: I find it I don't clear the database entires for a front end and give the frontend the same name I can't access the video settings, the front end just locks up |
| [18:44:48] | Korny: | still GUI lag :/ I mean this isn't a beefy system by any means, (AMD a4 with nvidia 520gt) but its loads faster then my first gen ion boxes which are downright snappy |
| [18:54:40] | sphery: | look in the log to see which is selected |
| [18:54:44] | sphery: | it says it explicitly |
| [18:55:23] | sphery: | and if clearing settings fixes it, then you're setting a setting improperly |
| [18:55:32] | sphery: | (fixes the lag, that is) |
| [18:55:53] | sphery: | so it would make a lot more sense (since it seems it's happened before) to figure out what setting you shouldn't be flipping |
| [18:56:15] | Korny: | sphery: I haven't touched a setting with this box in 6 months, its the oddest thing |
| [18:57:01] | sphery: | so what is laggy? |
| [18:57:12] | sphery: | push button on remote, wait, get response |
| [18:57:35] | sphery: | or push button on remote, get immediate response, but new screen takes a while to draw |
| [18:57:36] | Korny: | its not unusable, but if I'm navigating the recordings menu it takes about 1 to 1.5 second after a key press for a response |
| [18:57:38] | sphery: | or ? |
| [18:57:51] | Korny: | let me check if a keyboard has the same issue |
| [18:57:55] | sphery: | have you tried with keyboard, too, to rule out lirc issues |
| [18:57:55] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:58:34] | sphery: | also, could be due to backgrounds/banners/fanart/... type stuff |
| [18:58:36] | sphery: | and/or cache |
| [18:58:37] | Korny: | same lag with keyboard |
| [18:58:52] | sphery: | could try: rm -rf ~mythtv/.mythtv/*cache |
| [18:58:56] | sphery: | then immediately restart mythfrontend |
| [18:59:00] | sphery: | then go back in |
| [18:59:17] | sphery: | first-time through a recording should take a while (to download art), but should get faster when you go back |
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| [19:00:19] | Korny: | hold restarting the front end |
| [19:01:26] | Korny: | nope |
| [19:02:11] | Korny: | I'm wondering if one of the themes I had loaded messed with something |
| [19:02:41] | Korny: | I'm using Mythcenterwide right now |
| [19:03:11] | Korny: | which seems to be pretty lightweight compared to the others I was was runnign |
| [19:03:26] | sphery: | an update added all that art stuff to it |
| [19:03:41] | sphery: | so that may well be related |
| [19:03:51] | Korny: | I'm running it on an atom with 0 lag though |
| [19:03:55] | Korny: | both are hardwired |
| [19:04:14] | Korny: | and actually in the theme selection menu there is no lag |
| [19:04:36] | Korny: | so that narrows it down to recordings, let me check video to see if it fanart related |
| [19:05:11] | Korny: | hmmm video is responive |
| [19:05:18] | Korny: | responsive* |
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| [19:23:50] | Korny: | well... not DB related or stored settings in DB related.... |
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| [19:34:01] | Korny: | time to reload the box |
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| [22:40:43] | Wowbagger_: | Is there a way to get mythtv to set the channel before a recording even if it thinks it is already on the right channel? |
| [22:41:26] | Wowbagger_: | Mythtv is not the only thing that changes channels here. |
| [22:42:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is supposed to be the only thing that changes channels |
| [22:42:18] | wagnerrp: | it cannot record if it's expecting something is going to usurp control over hardware |
| [22:42:24] | wagnerrp: | it expects exclusive access |
| [22:43:08] | Wowbagger_: | It''ll have exclusive access when it records. |
| [22:43:16] | Wowbagger_: | but it otherwise |
| [22:43:21] | Wowbagger_: | but not rather |
| [22:44:03] | wagnerrp: | if it doesn't do it anyway, i'm not aware of any setting to make it do so |
| [22:45:15] | Wowbagger_: | Ya.. I couldn't find any. |
| [22:45:43] | Wowbagger_: | At one point years ago (searching forums) this was done. |
| [22:46:48] | wagnerrp: | are you sure it's not going into some standby mode, and missing the first command sent to it to change channels? |
| [22:47:37] | Wowbagger_: | I have my channel change script log channel changes... I don't see any if it should already be on the channel it needs. |
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| [22:48:44] | Wowbagger_: | It's an IR blaster . |
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| [22:50:14] | Wowbagger_: | I guess "CHANID" in system events isn't the channel number. |
| [22:50:28] | wagnerrp: | that's myth's internal value |
| [22:50:52] | Wowbagger_: | k.. thanks |
| [22:50:53] | wagnerrp: | not the one displayed on screen, nor the one passed to tuners |
| [22:51:56] | Wowbagger_: | Could make a work around using events if the channel number was available. |
| [22:53:13] | Wowbagger_: | Is that chanid in the SQL database? |
| [22:53:26] | Wowbagger_: | Maybe I could do a query... |
| [22:53:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:54:07] | Wowbagger_: | ok... that's an option. Thanks. |
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| [22:54:50] | Wowbagger_: | Now to learn some SQL.. :) |
| [22:55:05] | wagnerrp: | better to look in the code to see if it's supposed to be running each time, and potentially patch there |
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| [22:55:34] | wagnerrp: | you can scan if you're using it in clearqam mode as a standard digital tuner |
| [22:55:38] | wagnerrp: | but not when in cablecard mode |
| [22:55:54] | giovani: | wagnerrp: ah ok — makes sense then |
| [22:55:59] | giovani: | I'll go back and see if I can proceed |
| [22:56:06] | giovani: | much appreciated |
| [22:57:08] | Wowbagger_: | wagnerrp: That code comment was for me? |
| [22:57:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:57:38] | wagnerrp: | if a flaw in the code requires going into SQL, better to patch the flaw |
| [22:57:48] | Wowbagger_: | ok.. I''ll take a look at some point. I get the feeling though that it's not supposed to. |
| [22:58:10] | Wowbagger_: | Becaus it's not necessary if it has exclusive access.. |
| [22:58:31] | wagnerrp: | it is for boxes that shut down on a timer |
| [22:58:52] | Wowbagger_: | Ya.. which mine does.. but it seems to remember the channel. |
| [22:59:25] | Wowbagger_: | ok.. I''ll poke at it sometime. thanks. |
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| [23:03:17] | xris: | hmm, my kid running and jumping around the room is causing signal issues with livetv. makes me wonder how bad that is for the HDDs. |
| [23:03:43] | wagnerrp: | they probably don't even notice |
| [23:08:03] | xris: | unless it's the HDDs causing the glitches because of read/write errors |
| [23:08:18] | xris: | though they're shock mounted. should be ok. |
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| [23:16:40] | jafa2: | hi guys, where do I find the option to add a few extra minutes of margin to record times? The documentation says it should be under Recording Priorities but guessing it has been moved |
| [23:17:02] | wagnerrp: | it's defined in the recording rules |
| [23:17:34] | jafa2: | ah, found it |
| [23:17:45] | jafa2: | do i have to edit every rule? |
| [23:18:00] | wagnerrp: | every rule you have already created |
| [23:18:09] | wagnerrp: | for new rules, you can edit the rule template |
| [23:18:29] | wagnerrp: | and they will automatically pick up defaults stored there |
| [23:18:44] | jafa2: | got it – thanks |
| [23:19:29] | jafa2: | second quirk – just reinstalled and it is displaying artwork in the background... the aspect ratio is wrong |
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| [23:19:37] | jafa2: | (neat feature btw) |
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| [23:20:21] | jafa2: | my screen is 4:3 (HD projector), theme is a 4:3 theme, but the artwork is being stretched |
| [23:20:31] | wagnerrp: | not sure on that one |
| [23:21:09] | jafa2: | i guess I could turn the feature off |
| [23:21:11] | wagnerrp: | is the screen actually 4:3 or is it 4:3 resolution with non-square pixels? |
| [23:21:34] | jafa2: | 4:3 with square pixels |
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| [23:21:40] | jafa2: | 1400x0150 |
| [23:21:40] | wagnerrp: | like old 1080i plasmas that were actually 1024x1024 resolution |
| [23:21:45] | jafa2: | 1400x1050 |
| [23:22:24] | parann0yed: | hey all, is it possible to use mytharchive to record to bluray? |
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| [23:22:56] | wagnerrp: | mytharchive will only do DVD, and last i was aware, there are no open source bluray authoring tools |
| [23:23:07] | parann0yed: | ok, thanks |
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| [23:26:35] | skd5aner: | jafa2: you can also set "soft" padding, which will add more time before/after every recording IF the tuner won't be used for another back-to-back recording |
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| [23:27:09] | skd5aner: | jafa2: that does not impact the recoring rules, it's a global setting |
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| [23:27:46] | skd5aner: | it will not guarentee that the padding will be used though, as I said, if the tuner is used toschedule a different recording, it won't leverage the extra recording time |
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| [23:28:17] | wagnerrp: | which means if your recordings are actually overlapping, you want to use the hard padding so the scheduler moves them to other tuners or other times |
| [23:28:24] | skd5aner: | if you set it explicitely in the rules, then it'll always guarentee the extra time before/after, but may also cause you to miss other recordings if you don't have enough tuners to avoid conflicts |
| [23:28:58] | skd5aner: | This seems to be a hotly debated topic as of lately – some people hate the concept of soft padding, and other;s like it... |
| [23:29:04] | wagnerrp: | i think if jafa runs out of tuners, he just brings another home from work... :) |
| [23:29:11] | skd5aner: | I think it comes down to understanding the pros and cons of each |
| [23:29:25] | skd5aner: | oh, true – haha... forgot who he was |
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| [23:33:40] | skd5aner: | jafa2: if you want to experience soft pading, it's in Settings | Video | General | page 4 (General (Advanced) – Time to record before start of show/past end of show |
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| [23:51:19] | Korny: | hmmm soft padding? |
| [23:51:27] | Korny: | I never knew about that |
| [23:51:44] | Korny: | very usefull |
| [23:53:10] | wagnerrp: | it was only ever advertised as a means to handle capture hardware that requires a "warm up" period |
| [23:53:30] | wagnerrp: | since it's soft, the scheduler is not involved, so it will not try to schedule around any overlap |
| [23:53:32] | stuartm: | but it's only ever been used as 'soft padding' |
| [23:54:16] | stuartm: | must ... refrain ... from ... re-igniting ... that ... argument |
| [23:54:17] | wagnerrp: | so it's only useful if you've only got a few seconds of overlap, or you don't care about losing significant portions of a show |
| [23:55:02] | Korny: | Imaybe I read that wrong, will it add to a recording only if the tuner isn't needed for another recording? |
| [23:55:16] | Korny: | but if there's back to back recordings will it follow the scheduler? |
| [23:55:18] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: honestly, i'd rather just see it set to several minutes, and the setting removed from the UI |
| [23:56:35] | Korny: | or am I reading it wrong |
| [23:56:52] | wagnerrp: | that's correct |
| [23:57:06] | wagnerrp: | it will only add if nothing else wants that tuner |
| [23:57:21] | Korny: | So in what situation would that be problematic? |
| [23:57:49] | wagnerrp: | if you're actually using it because you need padding |
| [23:57:58] | wagnerrp: | rather than just using it "to be safe" |
| [23:58:01] | Korny: | Like if a show always runs over |
| [23:58:09] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:58:23] | Korny: | Like wwe monday night raw is always 10–15 minutes over, so I just add the padding |
| [23:58:24] | wagnerrp: | if a show always runs over, then you want the scheduler to be aware of that and reschedule accordingly |
| [23:58:31] | wagnerrp: | which does not happen with soft padding |
| [23:58:47] | Korny: | What i've been seeing is some networks are not exactly following the same clocks |
| [23:58:56] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I've always been fine with hardcoding it to somewhere between 60 and 120 seconds on either end, lately though it seemed like some were arguing in removing the behaviour entirely |
| [23:59:00] | Korny: | so their shows start 30 seconds earlier or later then others |
| [23:59:26] | Korny: | DIY and TLC have been bad about that lately |
| [23:59:38] | wagnerrp: | i don't mind the behavior. i just mind the fact that it seems to be used without any understanding of the scheduler implications |
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