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| [02:55:08] | skd5aner: | ok, that's new. last night's recording of jeopardy locks up my frontend??? |
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| [02:57:53] | Korny: | strange |
| [02:58:10] | Korny: | I just gained 5% hd space on my backend drives |
| [02:58:33] | ** Korny didn't realize that ubuntu by default reserves 5% hard drive space :/ ** | |
| [03:00:33] | Kwisher: | Korny: isn't that a setting in myth? |
| [03:00:51] | Korny: | no |
| [03:01:34] | Korny: | http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/ . . . s-in-ubuntu/ |
| [03:01:35] | Kwisher: | hmmm, didn't realize the o/s did that? |
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| [03:05:21] | Korny: | Kinda annoying on data drives eh |
| [03:06:11] | Kwisher: | yes, thanks for that tip :) |
| [03:07:02] | Korny: | on a 3 tb drive its 150 gigs, thats a lot! |
| [03:07:59] | Kwisher: | no crap!! |
| [03:09:27] | Kwisher: | wonder if that applies to software raids? |
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| [03:13:20] | skd5aner: | that's been a feature of ext3 for a long time too |
| [03:13:37] | skd5aner: | not new, and not ubuntu specific |
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| [03:16:53] | skd5aner: | hmmm, I think I must be having a video card issue on my frontend... |
| [03:16:57] | skd5aner: | locks up tonight after playing video |
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| [03:20:44] | Korny: | I've had some issues with my frontend with a nvidia card lately. programs will just stop playing |
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| [03:46:57] | Blue1: | I am having problems with mythweb |
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| [05:38:49] | kichigai: | Howdy all. I have a problem with my EPG data. I just replaced my antenna, and did a channel scan to reveal two new channels. I got an XMLTV ID, did a mythfilldatabase, and ended up with "NO DATA." |
| [05:39:23] | kichigai: | On a hunch I nuked my setup for the channel listing, did a fresh scan, re-added all the data, and now I have no data for any channels. |
| [05:40:17] | kichigai: | I'm running 0.25.2–15 via MythBuntu. |
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| [06:10:08] | Blue1: | running 0.26 here – I have odd problems where the description is wrong on some programmes |
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| [13:09:55] | _stefanb: | Hi. I'm having problems with MythTV 0.27 not being able to record from new DVB-C HDTV transponder |
| [13:10:29] | _stefanb: | I have verified that frequency & etc. are correct, i.e. with czap & mplayer/ffmpeg I see the 3 new HDTV channels on that transponder |
| [13:10:55] | _stefanb: | mythtv-setup successfully detected the three new HDTV channels on that transponder |
| [13:11:16] | _stefanb: | but when I go with Live TV on any of the 3 HDTV channels there is ... nothing |
| [13:11:48] | _stefanb: | log isn't saying much. Any good suggestion what debugging I should enable in mythbackend to get more insight into the problem? |
| [13:12:38] | _stefanb: | BTW: mythtv 0.27 works fine with another HDTV channel on an other transponder. |
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| [13:42:48] | _stefanb: | Hmm, not much more with "--loglevel debug" either |
| [13:48:46] | _stefanb: | OK, seems to hang/loop here: |
| [13:49:05] | _stefanb: | 2014-01–29 15:47:44.202685 E DTVSigMon[1](/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(1504) desired(1501) |
| [13:49:06] | _stefanb: | 2014-01–29 15:47:44.213015 D SigMon[1](/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)::AddFlags: Seen(PMT,) Match() Wait() |
| [13:49:06] | _stefanb: | 2014-01–29 15:47:44.213092 D SigMon[1](/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)::AddFlags: Seen() Match(PMT,) Wait() |
| [13:49:06] | _stefanb: | 2014-01–29 15:47:44.304304 D SigMon[1](/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)::AddFlags: Seen(SDT,) Match() Wait() |
| [13:49:06] | _stefanb: | 2014-01–29 15:47:44.800037 D SigMon[1](/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)::AddFlags: Seen(SDT,) Match() Wait() |
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| [14:03:24] | _stefanb: | hmm, if I understand the log correctly, DVB receiver sets "wait for SDT" but SDT never arrives |
| [14:05:26] | _stefanb: | according to dvbtraffic SDT (PID 0x0011) is present in that TS stream |
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| [14:18:00] | _stefanb: | Never mind. Problem solved. Wrong TSID for new transponder |
| [14:20:14] | _stefanb: | Thanks for being the teddy bear :-) |
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| [16:23:14] | wagnerrp: | yikes, that's an old system... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/unknown-xmltv-chann . . . ifier-16932/ |
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| [16:56:06] | Korny: | wagnerrp: I'm in the middle of changing my storage directorys for mythvideo, should I do a scan on an empty mount point to clear everything out or remove the old mount points and ad the new ones? |
| [16:56:29] | wagnerrp: | it should pick up the new locations of your content |
| [16:57:33] | Korny: | ok |
| [16:58:03] | wagnerrp: | ugh... geforce 4200 |
| [16:58:09] | wagnerrp: | what is that, early 2002? |
| [16:58:19] | Korny: | I really wish there was a way to go from resierfs to ext4 without copying everything off and formating then copying it back hehe |
| [16:58:23] | Korny: | Sounds about right |
| [16:58:37] | wagnerrp: | if your hardware is older than mythtv, it's time to upgrade |
| [16:58:44] | sheptard: | Korny: lol, best of luck with wanting a reiserfs to ext4 conversion :P |
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| [16:59:16] | Korny: | sheptard: meh I've just been abusing my machine doing dual 3tb rsyncs :/ |
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| [17:03:47] | Korny: | thing thats been the most annoying is realizing aufs can't be reliably mounted in fstab instead needing to load it in rc.local :/ |
| [17:04:00] | sheptard: | auf? |
| [17:04:24] | Korny: | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j& . . . 157871,d.b2I |
| [17:04:32] | wagnerrp: | another union filesystem |
| [17:04:38] | sheptard: | oh |
| [17:04:41] | Korny: | bah I wanted actual link |
| [17:05:01] | Korny: | I will say its MUCH faster the fuse based solutions so far |
| [17:05:09] | wagnerrp: | silly, google wants their clickthroughs |
| [17:05:19] | sheptard: | mount -o bind? |
| [17:05:27] | wagnerrp: | bind is not a union |
| [17:05:33] | wagnerrp: | you lose access to whatever is underneath |
| [17:05:40] | wagnerrp: | Korny: why union? |
| [17:05:54] | sheptard: | wagnerrp: fair enough |
| [17:06:21] | wagnerrp: | this for a livecd or something? |
| [17:06:46] | Korny: | Is there a better solution that does most free space distrobution and joins multiple disks(other then true raid) |
| [17:07:29] | Korny: | greyhole and mhddfs are really slow |
| [17:07:34] | sheptard: | unraid? |
| [17:07:42] | Korny: | I'm migrating away from unraid |
| [17:08:04] | wagnerrp: | with union filesystems, you can only write to the top-most layer |
| [17:08:22] | sheptard: | if you want the most free space, just do raid0 and say eff fault tolerance |
| [17:08:41] | Korny: | sheptard: most free space meaning put the file on the disk with the most free space |
| [17:08:49] | wagnerrp: | or don't RAID at all, and just use storage groups |
| [17:09:16] | Korny: | I don't use aufs for myth, i use the built in storage groups |
| [17:09:38] | Korny: | and I'm not sure what you mean by top most layer |
| [17:09:57] | wagnerrp: | you have one filesystem, and then you union another over top of it |
| [17:10:08] | wagnerrp: | you can read from either layer, but only write to the top layer |
| [17:10:26] | Korny: | you can only write to union? |
| [17:10:43] | wagnerrp: | you have to unmount the union if you wish to write to the bottom layer |
| [17:12:06] | Korny: | hmmm but the files are showing up on the individual drives /seagate8/ is showing the files that are written on /array1(the aufs) mount |
| [17:12:36] | Korny: | in the proper directorys |
| [17:13:07] | Korny: | unless I miss understanding what you are saying |
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| [17:16:09] | wagnerrp: | you're trying to use aufs to make one giant directory of all your files, correct? |
| [17:16:24] | Korny: | yes |
| [17:16:49] | wagnerrp: | so you mount one of your filesystems in the directory, then aufs mount another on top of it, and another on top of that, and so on? |
| [17:17:25] | Korny: | no |
| [17:18:18] | wagnerrp: | that's how you use union mounts |
| [17:18:26] | Korny: | Aufs makes just uses a standard mount point and combines specified mounts, in my case seagate1 seagate8 wd1 and samsung1 |
| [17:18:50] | Korny: | but its not layer over layer over layer |
| [17:19:05] | wagnerrp: | yes it is |
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| [17:19:44] | Korny: | ok so whats the harm in it? the data is still written to the individual disks |
| [17:20:02] | Korny: | at this time its being written to the disk with the most space |
| [17:20:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning mythtv is writing to the individual disks? |
| [17:21:00] | wagnerrp: | in that case, mythtv is also reading from the individual disks, so i don't see the point of the union |
| [17:21:20] | Korny: | no |
| [17:21:29] | Korny: | This has NOTHING to do with mythtv |
| [17:21:37] | wagnerrp: | then what is load balancing? |
| [17:21:43] | wagnerrp: | s/load/free space/ |
| [17:22:03] | wagnerrp: | aufs does not do that. any writes made to it only go to the top layer |
| [17:22:22] | Korny: | by top layer are you saying the aufs mount? |
| [17:22:37] | wagnerrp: | and if you're manually writing to the bottom layers, you run the risk of losing sync with the various metadata aufs writes to the top layer |
| [17:22:39] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:23:20] | Korny: | because I'm looking specifically at /mnt/seagate8 and the file that I wrote to /mnt/array1 is there |
| [17:23:40] | wagnerrp: | then that is the top most layer, and all writes will go there |
| [17:24:14] | wagnerrp: | only the top most layer is written to by aufs, and aufs does not expect any changes to be made to lower layers without its knowledge |
| [17:24:47] | wagnerrp: | that's why common behavior is to use a static read-only bottom layer, and a writable (and usually tmpfs) top layer |
| [17:25:12] | Korny: | create=mfs[:second] | most−free−space[:second] |
| [17:25:12] | Korny: | Selects a writable branch which has most free space. In order to keep the performance, you can specify the duration (’second’) which makes aufs hold the index of last selected writable branch until the specified seconds expires. The first time you create something in aufs after the specified seconds expired, aufs checks the amount of free space of all writable branches by internal statfs call and the held branch index will be |
| [17:25:12] | Korny: | updated. The default value is 30 seconds. |
| [17:25:28] | wagnerrp: | it's meant to allow a pristine lower layer to be stored on a CD or flash drive, or network boot, with individual differentiations layered on top |
| [17:25:58] | Korny: | for my purposes the only things accessing the actual drives will be aufs |
| [17:25:59] | wagnerrp: | then that is a new behavior i've never heard of |
| [17:26:38] | wagnerrp: | and not the standard pattern for a union fs |
| [17:26:46] | clever: | ive used aufs by putting my root image into a squashfs (readonly compressed) which goes into a tmpfs, then use another tmpfs to make it read/write, so the entire OS can run off ram |
| [17:26:59] | clever: | and a shutdown script will tar up the r/w tmpfs and save it back to the usb stick |
| [17:27:08] | Korny: | it also has this function |
| [17:27:08] | Korny: | UDBA means a modification to a branch filesystem manually or directly, e.g. bypassing aufs. While aufs is designed and implemented to be safe after UDBA, it can make yourself and your aufs confused. And some information like aufs inode will be incorrect. For example, if you rename a file on a branch directly, the file on aufs may or may not be accessible through both of old and new name. Because aufs caches various information about |
| [17:27:08] | Korny: | the files on branches. And the cache still remains after UDBA. |
| [17:27:11] | clever: | the initrd then restores the smaller tar, and the unmodified squashfs |
| [17:27:44] | clever: | so the entire system can run from ram, writes to usb at shutdown are minimal, and its persistant even without a disk in it 24/7 |
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| [17:28:56] | Korny: | wagnerrp: I'm basically using it in place of mhddfs which is sooo slow |
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| [19:45:55] | justinh: | so the NUC isn't all that as a frontend after all then. Heh |
| [19:50:09] | tonsofpcs: | why not? |
| [19:51:16] | justinh: | crappy intel video again |
| [19:52:45] | Korny: | hmmm? intel video from my i3 looks fine on my bedroom computer :/ |
| [19:53:24] | justinh: | looks like a few users on the ML are having pretty serious issues with playback |
| [19:54:08] | Korny: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gc . . . 0129195348:s |
| [19:54:27] | Korny: | 179 dollars really isnt' bad when you look how much mini itx stuff boards and cases are |
| [19:54:37] | tonsofpcs: | Korny: decoding/rendering issues, not quality issues, I presume. |
| [19:54:52] | Korny: | hm on that last one, no ethernet lol |
| [19:57:01] | justinh: | you say $179, I say £250.. which is what.. more than $300 anyway |
| [19:59:07] | justinh: | oh ebuyer.com have an i3 model 1.8Ghz for under £150 |
| [19:59:22] | justinh: | no LAN on that one either though |
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| [20:01:08] | justinh: | oh no, danielk left. Ah well, good luck to him :-) |
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| [20:15:14] | MartinT: | can anyone tell me how to install the python bindings, if I've built from source |
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| [20:15:28] | ** MartinT knows nothing about python.... ** | |
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| [20:56:35] | sphery: | MartinT: they're installed automatically when you compile and install mythtv if you have Python installed and it's found by the configure script |
| [20:57:22] | sphery: | in the output of configure, you should see something like: bindings_python yes |
| [20:57:35] | MartinT: | I have fixed it now |
| [20:57:40] | MartinT: | not sure what... |
| [20:58:04] | MartinT: | PYTHONPATH, running setup.py install... a number of other things |
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| [20:58:43] | sphery: | you also need to have installed all the required prerequisites |
| [20:58:59] | sphery: | if it's not installing when you configure/make/make install, they won't work properly |
| [21:00:28] | sphery: | MartinT: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mythtv/configure#n5703 |
| [21:01:38] | MartinT: | I think it may have been the mysqldb binding... I had to install that from a package... that could have been in it... |
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| [23:42:51] | wagnerrp: | justinh: while i can't speak on the NUC, i've had no problem with intel graphics as a frontend |
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