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[00:07:23] ** justinh likes his LR6650 cards, all three of them. No firmware required for those **
[00:07:41] justinh: pity they only do dvb-t :-\
[00:10:51] justinh: stuartm: overheating can sometimes be dealt with if you're willing to experiment – and the price of some of those dvb-t2 tuners makes it awfully tempting even if I'd risk having to fettle driver issues
[00:19:24] wagnerrp: it all comes down to how much your time is worth
[00:31:15] justinh: I've so much of it on my hands right now when I'm staying at my folks'....
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[00:39:14] justinh: yay I got ssh logins working on my frontend at last. turns out this version of linhes puts logs in /var/log/DATE/hostname_LOGFILENAME. PAM was enabled. I didn't need that. Or want it
[00:41:36] UserError: Can any carrier media boxes that you have to buy in some areas flat out have the ability to run linux?
[00:41:56] wagnerrp: what areas?
[00:42:24] UserError: tons
[00:42:38] UserError: depending on your state and how far you are
[00:42:39] wagnerrp: at least in north america, neither cable nor satellite will typically let you operate with your own hardware
[00:42:51] UserError: they don't
[00:42:52] UserError: they make you buy their box
[00:43:03] UserError: but actually most do, please see the samsung box
[00:43:16] wagnerrp: i've never heard of such behavior
[00:44:16] Korny: technically you canbuy their set top boxes.
[00:44:23] UserError: i'm just going to leave this over here
[00:44:30] UserError: from the largest retailer in the USA http://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-GX-SM530CF- . . . Box/32478996
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[00:44:34] wagnerrp: in any case, you're not going to be installing linux on one, and still be able to access any kind of encrypted content on it
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[00:44:51] UserError: That's fine, i'm going with a different carrier
[00:45:02] UserError: so now i am wondering if i can do something with the one i was forced to purchase
[00:45:38] wagnerrp: this is just a cablecard receiver
[00:45:39] Korny: doubtful
[00:45:53] wagnerrp: meaning it doesn't work with things like VOD
[00:46:21] wagnerrp: it's not a fully capable cable box
[00:46:38] UserError: I never stated they did? Also, some regular boxes don't.
[00:46:47] UserError: That was just one example
[00:46:50] UserError: there are tons
[00:47:02] UserError: the point is, i have a leftover box and am looking to repurpose it
[00:48:18] wagnerrp: it won't run mythtv, but beyond that, i have no idea what could be done with it
[00:48:24] UserError: ah
[00:48:33] UserError: Is there a channel or website for that sort of thing?
[00:48:41] UserError: this was the only thing i could think of :\
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[00:49:36] wagnerrp: these things usually run some low end MIPS or ARM CPU, with very little memory, so they're of little use outside their own purpose-built applications
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[01:11:26] drocsid: anybody use mythtv on top of archlinux?
[01:15:03] wagnerrp: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LinHES
[01:17:24] UserError: wagner, it has 512MB ram and a decent MIPS cpu
[01:20:53] wagnerrp: so you need an application designed to run on low memory, using whatever hardware decoder and graphics core happens to be paired to that MIPS CPU
[01:21:30] UserError: yeh. i need to see if there is a wiki with some info regarding deploy method
[01:21:50] UserError: the SoC and BC GPU is plenty strong and binary drivers are available
[01:22:04] UserError: err VD
[01:23:26] wagnerrp: plenty strong... for a custom written application
[01:25:10] UserError: for debian
[01:25:15] UserError: plenty strong
[01:25:22] UserError: or Gentoo
[01:25:35] UserError: Look at the Raspi
[01:25:49] wagnerrp: yes, and the user experience on it comes up lacking
[01:26:13] wagnerrp: because it's running a painfully underpowered CPU with an application designed for desktop use
[01:26:26] UserError: Obviously you never tried the bodhilinux build
[01:26:32] skd5aner: I still don't understand the fascination with the RPi for anything besides a hobbist play-toy
[01:26:32] UserError: with E17
[01:26:38] skd5aner: and for small embedded solutions
[01:26:51] UserError: you can control other projects
[01:27:35] UserError: also for routing and automation
[01:28:09] skd5aner: but what's the have to do with a media center
[01:28:11] skd5aner: ?
[01:28:15] Korny: cheaper to use a purpose built router with wrt dd or somethimg like it
[01:28:30] wagnerrp: you can't do routing with only a single ethernet jack
[01:28:35] UserError: my media center is more powerful
[01:28:44] jya: since I got back form holiday, live TV always freeze after a few minutes.. Recording the live TV program, exiting and watching it via recording screen works just fine. so annoying
[01:28:48] wagnerrp: and you shouldn't do anything network related when that single network jack is routed through the USB chip
[01:28:51] UserError: and has a beefier videocard and video decoder
[01:29:11] UserError: which is why i'm asking about the set top box, which *CAN* have a decent CLI or even X11 experience under lnux
[01:29:13] UserError: linux*
[01:29:21] [R]: Korny: ddwrt is written by a fascist gpl breaking ahole
[01:29:35] skd5aner: I can tell you, my zotac zbox ID-80 struggles to perform well just in the watch recordings screen, and it's got a dual core atom 2.13GHz D2700 CPU
[01:29:51] skd5aner: plays back fine, but only because the gpu supports VDPAU
[01:30:38] UserError: yeh that GPU is weak
[01:30:49] skd5aner: jya: funny, my experience with 0.27 seems to get worse over time... haha, why? I have no idea
[01:30:51] UserError: rofl tile rendering
[01:31:37] jya: skd5aner: I havent' touched a thing in several months. Left a month ago with everything working fine. Come back and it just freeze.
[01:31:47] skd5aner: jya: :(
[01:32:18] skd5aner: jya: yea, my backend crashes multiple times a day, and live tv is sporadic, but often just kicks out back to the menu
[01:32:46] skd5aner: was pretty stable for a while, but... now it's just a pile
[01:32:52] jya: no such issue here. backend is very reliable... just livetv on one frontend (haven't tried livetv on the backend itself)
[01:32:58] jya: skd5aner: ram issue ?
[01:33:22] skd5aner: I probably ought to run memtest, but nothing else on the server seems to be acting up
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[01:35:22] skd5aner: jya: I honeslty need to put more time in to trying to get more diagnostic info on what's going on, but I'm not getting core dumps for some reason, and it's hard for me to be available with gdb when the issue happens
[01:37:38] jya: skd5aner: I know the issue..
[01:38:15] skd5aner: your issue?
[01:38:28] jya: can't you just that the backend in a gdb session and just wait until it crashes?
[01:38:39] jya: I mean I know what it's like to debug the backend
[01:38:53] jya: but your description fits more a hardware problem than anything else
[01:38:56] skd5aner: oh, gotcha
[01:39:07] skd5aner: jya: it very well could be, honestly...
[01:39:19] skd5aner: jya: it's been hard for me to find a root cause
[01:46:06] skd5aner: jya: stuart m thinks that part of my issues are triggered by the socket code, particularly with my slave backend in the mix
[01:46:31] jya: didn't the socket code got fixed by stuartm a while back?
[01:46:50] skd5aner: danielk re-wrote it before 0.27
[01:47:30] skd5aner: which, is why I didn't see this instability in 0.26 in the same config (so goes the theory)
[01:48:50] Korny: why do you run a slave back end? just curious
[01:49:13] skd5aner: Because I have an STB hooked up to my TV that I also record from, and that's in a different room than my MBE
[01:49:23] skd5aner: so, I have a combined fe/sbe
[01:49:27] Korny: ahhh
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[02:47:56] sleezio: hello, what is the best pvr addon for xbmc, i'm currently using the cmyth, but the epg crashes xbmc about every 2–4 times i open epg
[02:49:11] [R]: this isn't #xbmc...
[02:49:22] sleezio: i'm aware of that
[02:49:26] [R]: obviously not...
[02:50:06] sleezio: i'm not asking for help with the addon, i'm asking others what they prefer..dependable, i'm running mythbuntu backend
[02:50:23] wagnerrp: most of the people active in here run mythfrontend
[02:50:30] sleezio: aah
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[03:11:15] drocsid: what's the difference between the older grey dual tuner hdhr and they newer black dual tuner hdhr ?
[03:11:39] [R]: 1 input vs 2 inputs
[03:12:00] wagnerrp: physical inputs
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[03:12:10] wagnerrp: the older gray one had two physical inputs, one for each tuner
[03:12:21] wagnerrp: the new black one just has one physical input split internally to both tuners
[03:12:36] wagnerrp: aside from that, the new one has more sensitive tuners
[03:12:45] [R]: that's what she said
[03:14:02] drocsid: what do you mean by more sensitive, does that mean better reception?
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[03:14:21] wagnerrp: better reception, less susceptibility to multipath issues
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[03:15:32] drocsid: why are there a bunch of refurbished 'newer units' on ebay ? Are they more prone to break ?
[03:15:50] wagnerrp: not that i'm aware of
[03:16:12] skd5aner: drocsid: I have one of hte originals new in box, if you are interested
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[03:16:43] skd5aner: drocsid: still shrink wrapped, bought it on sale long again and never needed it
[03:17:14] skd5aner: I have 2, one has been in use for years and is rock solid :)
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[03:19:28] wagnerrp: i think i've had to manually powercycle mine twice since 2008
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[03:26:36] skd5aner: drocsid: seriously, I'll part with it for $50+shipping, let me know if you're interested
[03:27:26] skd5aner: f'ing mythbackend – pegging 2 of my cores and mythcommflag pegging the other two at >100%
[03:27:58] skd5aner: and causing fluttering connections in mythfrontend
[03:27:59] skd5aner: grrrrr
[03:34:58] drocsid: skd5aner: thanks, I will consider it. message me your email address
[03:37:28] skd5aner: drocsid: ok, did just that. I'm stepping out for the evening, thanks
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[03:50:50] somethinginteres: Suddenly getting lots of errors like this on my backend "Duplicate entry '1072-2014-01–23 13:00:00--M' for key 'chanid'". Unable to use myth b/c it now can't connect to backend. I have a WInfast Dual Dongle tuner. Never had this error before in the months I have used it. I get EIT guide data. Both tuners set to the same input and channel source
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[03:54:16] wagnerrp: crashed database table?
[03:56:14] somethinginteres: wagnerrp: any way to confirm/fix or is it a case of having to start afresh?
[03:56:49] wagnerrp: you should be able to repair it
[03:57:02] wagnerrp: or if it comes to it, truncate the table and let EIT refill it
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[04:03:48] somethinginteres: wagnerrp: will look up how to do that
[04:09:44] ctmjr: would optimize_mythdb.pl help him?
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[04:15:40] somethinginteres: wagnerrp, ctmjr: I ran a "repair" on all the tables in mythconverg and it -seems- have fixed the problem. Any idea *how* it happened though, so I can avoid it in the future?
[04:18:11] wagnerrp: nope
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[04:19:20] somethinginteres: wagnerrp: OK. Will keep an eye out over the next few days. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
[04:20:06] somethinginteres: wagnerrp: thanks for the tip
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[16:48:10] amshake_: ok, for once, I'm actually at home, and free to do some troubleshooting
[16:48:44] amshake_: I'm getting a lot of "video frame buffering failed to many times" errors
[16:48:59] amshake_: I can get, at most, 10 minutes of live tv in before it happens
[16:49:15] amshake_: sometimes its less than a minute between starting watching live tv and the lockup
[16:49:27] amshake_: anyone have any thoughts?
[16:51:33] amshake_ is now known as MrShakeMyth
[16:52:03] MrShakeMyth: here is the pastebin of the frontend log
[16:52:04] MrShakeMyth: http://pastebin.com/VZWXwd3D
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[17:25:58] Kwisher: MrShakeMyth: i have the same problem but it usually occurs after 1 to 1–1/2 hrs
[17:26:00] Kwisher: and it's not consistent
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[17:27:30] Kwisher: i downgraded to xubuntu 13.04 + mythtv .26 and the problem seems to not be as problematic
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[17:45:41] disputin: AndyCap I'm sure these cables are especially tuned for audio and the ones and zeros transported on this cable wouldn't be appropriate for video….
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[18:17:32] Kwisher: anyone know how i can install mythtv .26 on xubuntu 13.10?
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[19:14:46] justinh: anybody using an HDMI to UTP converter? Recommendations? Don't fancy trying to route a long HDMI cable in the new house
[19:14:59] justinh: oh maybe not UTP.. cat5/6 I meant
[19:15:56] kisak: I've seen them
[19:16:33] kisak: they're one-way, and make sure it can handle 1920x1080@60Hz
[19:16:54] justinh: yeah I've seen them around for a while now, both single & dual versions (one HDMI to one or two RJ45 cables)
[19:16:59] kisak: beyond that it just works
[19:17:09] justinh: there are passive ones too apparently
[19:17:41] kisak: what range of cat5 are you thinking?
[19:17:55] wagnerrp: they're not converters, just adapters
[19:18:17] justinh: in my last job I hacked up a setup to put HDMI right onto two UTP cables.. it went over a whole 300m reel without incident. Not that I'd trust that in a real world scenario
[19:18:25] wagnerrp: it's just a 1:1 pin wiring, with a boosted signal
[19:19:00] justinh: kisak: it's not so much about the length – it's more that with a HDMI cable you've got to drill HDMI plug sized holes instead of just the cable width
[19:19:22] wagnerrp: yeah, i wouldn't want to attempt to terminate my own HDMI cables
[19:19:24] justinh: I know of HDMI plugs you can terminate yourself.. that'd be cool too if the cable itself is cheaper than the adapters
[19:19:55] justinh: I've repaired HDMI cables because of a penny pinching employer so I'm up to the job :-)
[19:20:27] justinh: I suspect the cable & the connectors will come to much more than a pair of converters
[19:21:07] justinh: NB not that I'm saying I'd rather *not* terminate my own connectors, but if I must I can
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[19:22:23] justinh: maybe I won't even need to do a daft cable run from the backend anyway – if the XBMC myth API addon thing ever uses paged access to the recording list
[19:23:17] justinh: then I'll just see hell freeze over & use a Pi as a frontend. Sure it's not all *that* great but it's a darn sight cheaper than a PC & way less hassle than running cables all over
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[19:24:54] ** wagnerrp wonders why his flight segments don't roll over from year to year **
[19:26:00] justinh: I think I'm finally starting to see all the arguments for having a lightweight frontend platform. A full PC is either big, expensive or both, and hiding one is a pain in the ass
[19:27:12] wagnerrp: oh no. he's turned to the dark side
[19:27:20] ** justinh laughs **
[19:27:32] wagnerrp: don't you remember, all your hours wasted away on via systems?
[19:28:04] justinh: yeah but the beauty about the Pi with (cough) THE dark side .. is that it mostly just works
[19:28:26] justinh: I've not been able to find anything the Pi won't play
[19:28:38] kisak: what's wrong with via? they're basically a saint compared to anything that touched a Cyrix
[19:29:17] justinh: maybe raw bluray rips would give it trouble, but if I was talking about buying bluray discs I likely wouldn't sniff at paying £300+ for a new frontend
[19:29:53] justinh: if only DLNA didn't ABSOLUTELY SUCK DONKEYS
[19:30:55] justinh: the best DVR available in the UK features wise won't even play media from a network. And its UI stinks
[19:31:19] jm|laptop: I have a slave backend that shares storage groups with the master. What should I be [not] setting to allow override so that all frontends can play everything?
[19:31:34] justinh: it's responsive enough, just about.. and even gets metadata about recordings etc but it's hamstrung in terms of features – presumably to keep it simple
[19:31:48] jm|laptop: hmm. Now I think about it. It's my archiving script that's breaking things :|
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[19:32:32] justinh: take prioritisation & most of the daft scheduling features out of mythtv & it'd still wipe the floor with the best commercial DVRs
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[19:33:42] justinh: and I know where MythTV is lacking – there's no dev unhappy with the fact you really need a PC for a frontend.. so until somebody gets busy & makes something a slim frontend platform can run well it'll never happen
[19:35:21] jm|laptop: do you mean embedded?
[19:35:58] justinh: I mean not needing a full PC with 3Ghz+ CPU & 4GB RAM if that's what you mean
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[19:38:53] justinh: sure the Pi isn't as slick running a media centre as a full PC, but it's very acceptable IMHO – *if* you set the hardware up right – i.e. use a good PSU, reliable networking etc
[19:39:29] jm|laptop: not ideal for e.g. AVCHD though
[19:39:59] justinh: I don't want to be able to play my camcorder files :-)
[19:40:40] jm|laptop: NUC and things like Celeron 847 are coming on nicely though. With single chip capable of HD decoding
[19:40:52] justinh: NUC is expensive though
[19:40:56] jm|laptop: my Shuttle DS47 frontends are totally fanless too
[19:41:13] jm|laptop:
[19:41:42] jm|laptop: but they're also not 3GHz/4G etc.
[19:42:00] justinh: I'm planning on having a shelf above the teevee anyway. One of those shuttles would be virtually invisible
[19:42:39] jm|laptop: they're great. They hardware is a bit new for even the latest kernels. But when they work, it's good. Particularly as they are totally silent (with SSD or netboot)
[19:42:50] jm|laptop: vaapi still needs work
[19:43:13] jm|laptop: (they also attach to back of vesa things)
[19:43:25] justinh: my ideal is to have a box the size of a commercial DVR. I don't need commflagging or transcoding
[19:43:40] jm|laptop: are you talking backend now?
[19:43:59] justinh: both ideally. In the same box.. dreaming ;-)
[19:44:25] justinh: as I said, YouView is the closest I've ever seen but it's still a way off
[19:44:31] jm|laptop: heh. My Shuttle DS47 is indeed a front/slave backend atm – it's doing FreeSAT HD that isn't yet available on Freeview
[19:44:38] jm|laptop: i.e. BBC Four HD
[19:44:51] jm|laptop: but like you say: no commflagging or transoding or crazy nonsense
[19:44:59] justinh: wish they'd axe all those bloody +1 channels.
[19:45:20] jm|laptop: free bandwidth for more HD?
[19:45:45] justinh: or improve quality throughout
[19:45:53] jm|laptop: regretfully they're spread about the muxes
[19:46:05] jm|laptop: muces?
[19:46:09] MartinT: personally, I'm on eMachines er1401...
[19:46:24] MartinT: £110/each when I bought them on offer at Scan...
[19:46:34] MartinT: 2GB ram...
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[19:46:44] jm|laptop: I had something looked a bit like that from Jetway. Boy was it NOISY
[19:46:47] MartinT: turion neo II I think
[19:46:57] MartinT: silent...
[19:47:08] MartinT: not fanless, but I've never heard it...
[19:47:10] justinh: hell even the noisiest laptop with decent nvidia graphics is prolly cheaper than a NUC type thing
[19:47:20] jm|laptop: it had ION2 so hw was brokered out – but it lacked freq scaling so fans would kick in all the time
[19:47:25] justinh: esp. if you buy one 2nd hand with a knackered display ;-)
[19:47:43] jm|laptop: MartinT: this Jetway barebones thing had a dodgy heat pipe to do cpu, gpu and north bridge :|
[19:47:46] jm|laptop: and then a like 1" fan
[19:47:48] jm|laptop: NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[19:48:01] wagnerrp: yeah. a decent NUC is awfully pricey
[19:48:26] MartinT: plus my eMachines plays everything flawlessly and sits on the back of the PC
[19:48:34] MartinT: s/PC/TV
[19:49:24] MartinT: the only downside is the lack of DVD... so I have to plug an external in...
[19:49:32] MartinT: but, it still plays them flawlessly
[19:49:39] MartinT: plug in and go
[19:49:55] justinh: even h.264 broadcast HD?
[19:50:18] jm|laptop: and/or AVCHD a la BBC x HD?
[19:50:44] justinh: BBCHD is AVCHD?
[19:50:55] justinh: thought the Pi would just eat that all up
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[19:53:23] justinh: ah BBC HD is still only AVC
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[19:54:55] jm|laptop: sadly
[19:55:10] jm|laptop: something to do with things for the visually impaired
[19:55:16] jm|laptop: and containers therefor
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[19:55:37] justinh: all reports I can find say the Pi plays BBC HD channels just fine
[19:56:34] justinh: I've got an actual sample file somewhere of the original HD channel which should in theory be much harder work to decode
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[19:58:41] justinh: if it can't actually decode BBC HD then I'll be back to the combined FE/BE plan & a long HDMI cable
[19:59:33] jm|laptop: I never had success with the Pi and BBC AVCHD
[20:00:08] jm|laptop: mostly very subtle tearing and subtle delays – particularly in fast moving stuff
[20:00:33] jm|laptop: iirc ITV1 HD was even worse – fast-panning following the ball in Champions League games was nauseating
[20:00:47] jm|laptop: also: lack of decent frontend
[20:01:12] jm|laptop: XBMC/Raspbmc/OpenELEC etc. + cmyth plugin was agonising slow
[20:01:40] justinh: aye that needs the paging feature of the API
[20:03:04] justinh: I ran a VM on my laptop with 0.27 on it & 900 or so recordings stuffed into the DB, all pointed at the same local file
[20:03:35] justinh: the pi was like HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG (spinning, spinning, spinning)... every time the recordings list loaded
[20:03:57] justinh: still, it was way faster than a Virgin Media box
[20:04:55] justinh: then XBMC running natively on the same laptop as hosted the VM backend... was super whizzy fast
[20:05:05] justinh: I mean like a blur kinda fast
[20:06:03] justinh: just goes to show clock speed means very little, or in other words, ARM is crap compared to a real CPU
[20:06:43] justinh: but with code suited to the platform – and realistic expectations .. it shouldn't be as bad as I saw it
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[20:08:23] clueo8: Question: I use mytharchive to burn a recorded show to dvd, sometimes it works, burning the full show to dvd, but sometimes it only burns a portion of the show to the dvd… for example, only the first 9 mins are on the dvd instead of the full 60 mins… it appears the largest file in the VIDEO_TS folder is 339MB (most likely the 9 mins I have burnt). In the progress.log I can see there was about 1.5 GB worth of data, up until either
[20:09:38] justinh: people still burn DVDs? :-O
[20:10:00] clueo8: http://pastebin.com/mKFXRNwn
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[20:18:59] Korny: cheaper to buy a 3 tb hd isnt it...
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[20:20:41] justinh: certainly faster
[20:20:54] AndyCap: might burn a dvd if I can't find any usb stick.
[20:21:07] clueo8: I'm burning the show for my wife's elderly aunt who does not have a dvr to record...
[20:21:18] justinh: eesh. *sharing* teeves!
[20:22:35] AndyCap: justinh: btw, I think someone made a hackish hdmi with a small plug and an adapter so it was easier to get through holes, I'm guessing it is expensive for what you're getting.
[20:24:04] justinh: AndyCap: yeah at under £50 for a tx/rx pair for HDMI to cat5/6 cable...
[20:25:17] AndyCap: only 2 meters. Hah, not very usefull unless your tv hangs on the server-room wall. http://www.kenable.co.uk/product_info.php?cPa . . . ucts_id=6434
[20:25:39] AndyCap: and then I'd probably go with the bigger hole regardless.
[20:26:24] AndyCap: does hdmi-sdi cost an arm and a leg?
[20:28:09] justinh: AndyCap: yeah
[20:29:00] justinh: like > £300 a set
[20:29:11] AndyCap: yeah, way too much
[20:29:24] justinh: you can buy a good frontend for that, or less
[20:29:45] wagnerrp: HDMI->SDI is actually a converter, HDMI->2xCAT6 is just an adapter
[20:29:56] wagnerrp: real electronics means real 'spensive
[20:30:24] AndyCap: and the only ones buying SDI gear probably spends a bit extra for quality.
[20:30:43] justinh: HDMI->SDI is actually just a chip that costs about 50 dollars – and all the ones I've seen are basically reference design copies. I know this from my last job
[20:31:18] wagnerrp: right, but there actually is a signal conversion going on
[20:31:48] justinh: I know. 3 serial streams or more to mux into one..
[20:31:52] justinh: and the rest
[20:32:21] justinh: whereas the low cost adapters are just like buffers, if you're lucky
[20:32:26] AndyCap: Say what popular mechanics? "Although, thanks to HDMI’s security features, you cannot cut the cable to an exact length and apply fittings yourself,"
[20:32:56] Hydr0p0nX: k
[20:33:25] Hydr0p0nX: i've now added a pci-e extension cable and a spdif -> optical out header for my motherboard
[20:33:45] Hydr0p0nX: errr ordered
[20:34:18] justinh: oh yeah.. HDCP makes it almost impossible to cut the insulation off the HDMI cable
[20:35:32] Hydr0p0nX: makes perfect sense to me !
[20:36:37] justinh: my frontend uses a pci-e extender cable
[20:37:14] wagnerrp: what for?
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[20:37:20] AndyCap: graphics?
[20:37:25] justinh: yeah for graphics
[20:37:27] wagnerrp: horizontally mounted card?
[20:37:32] justinh: stupid LC02 case
[20:37:46] justinh: stupid Intel video
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[20:38:01] ** AndyCap is considering a fanless nuc, but it's probably a bad idea **
[20:38:25] wagnerrp: build it yourself. get nearly as small, nearly as quiet, and half the price
[20:38:29] justinh: actually come to think of it I only got the nvidia card so I could actually play iPlayer streams without tearing. which it can't
[20:38:51] justinh: at least not when you're going by all the stupid T&Cs
[20:39:15] justinh: thou shalt play the stream using only the embedded Flash crap in a webpage
[20:39:27] wagnerrp: newegg now requires a captcha just to log in?
[20:39:39] wagnerrp: is the existing account and password no longer sufficient?
[20:40:03] Hydr0p0nX: in my case, the sole pcie 1x slot is in a bad spot for my ceton
[20:41:06] Hydr0p0nX: since I only have a 1x and a 16x pcie, i'm currently using the 16x for the ceton, and don't have a spot for the add on graphics card, the extender cable should allow me to move the tuner to a better location
[20:44:28] ** justinh hates captcha and sites that make you sign up just to buy stuff **
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[20:44:43] justinh: one page checkouts FTW
[20:45:15] AndyCap: but they want a committed relationship
[20:45:48] justinh: but I don't
[20:46:20] justinh: like the place where I bought a roof box for my car from.. how many times in my life will I need to buy another? Hopefully never
[20:46:55] justinh: WTH ? :-O http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-IdeaCentre-Ult . . . ds=acer+revo
[20:47:41] AndyCap: 1k, nice.
[20:47:53] AndyCap: wonder if lenovo charges as much
[20:48:10] stuartm: cheap at one quarter the price
[20:48:56] AndyCap: Oh, they are mini *home theatre* pc's that's triple the price right there
[20:49:14] AndyCap: or not. :) http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/desktops/ideacentre/q-series/q190/
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[20:51:16] stuartm: justinh: someone once explained that because of the way Amazon manage the stock for third party sellers, once they've sold out the item vanishes from the system and has to be re-added which is a lot of hassle, so sellers rig it so that instead the final item is priced ridiculously high so that no-one will buy it
[20:51:47] AndyCap: so it's not amazons omniscient evil pricing algorithms
[20:51:49] justinh: hahaha
[20:51:49] stuartm: that way when they re-stock they don't have to recreate the item in the database
[20:52:54] stuartm: so often when you see these stupid prices it's down to just "1 item"
[20:52:55] justinh: oh those lenovo things have Intel 'HD' graphics so they're well worth the expense. Not
[20:53:22] AndyCap: everything has Intel HD, except amd AX
[20:54:03] justinh: hmm not much even on ebay 2nd hand with core i3 and nvidia graphics – not at sensible prices anyway
[20:54:52] justinh: back to the long HDMI cable. sheesh
[20:55:18] wagnerrp: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=18523409
[20:55:26] wagnerrp: british prices may vary
[20:55:48] stuartm: Mushkin?
[20:56:14] wagnerrp: i've never had trouble with it
[20:56:31] justinh: wagnerrp: £300 is a lot to lay out on a frontend IMHO
[20:56:39] stuartm: never heard of them, but I'm probably just hopelessly out of touch
[20:57:04] wagnerrp: they were around when i first started building things 10 years ago
[20:57:19] AndyCap: wagnerrp: is the antec case nice?
[20:57:47] wagnerrp: don't know. i've got a bigger version with an internal power supply
[20:57:55] wagnerrp: but the internal PSU sucked, so i ripped it out for a picopsu
[20:58:01] wagnerrp: the ISK300–150 i think
[20:58:04] AndyCap: :)
[20:59:00] stuartm: wagnerrp: well according to wikipedia they are US based, probably don't have wide distribution in Europe
[20:59:07] justinh: my house is being surveyed on wednesday.. so after that I'll have a better idea whether we're actually going to be moving before March or not.. then I can start planning proper
[20:59:15] wagnerrp: it was considerably noisier than the rest of the system, and all of ~65% efficient
[20:59:22] stuartm: founded in 1994 apparently
[20:59:51] justinh: stuartm: I've seen mailouts from scan etc about mushkin RAM. I've always associated it with good value ram – i.e. out of my price range in the past
[20:59:51] AndyCap: the name reminds me of a videopac game
[21:00:08] AndyCap: are Scan still around?
[21:00:13] justinh: yeah sadly
[21:00:38] AndyCap: Heh, I dunno if that's sadly, but I've never bought from them. only remember them from PCW ads
[21:00:41] justinh: I prefer Aria.. but I suppose when I move I'll have to resort to ebuyer
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[21:01:29] AndyCap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchkin_(video_game)
[21:01:41] stuartm: eugh, ebuyer went down hill, and dabs before that ... getting hard to know where to shop
[21:01:44] justinh: stuartm: put a reservation on a 4 bedroom detached new build.. a good size too – under £150k :)
[21:02:09] justinh: ebuyer went *down* hill? I last used em a couple of years ago & they were awful then
[21:02:11] stuartm: cool
[21:03:41] stuartm: justinh: well a few years ago they were pretty good, by two years ago, yes, they had already become awful – probably abysmal now
[21:04:20] justinh: BT own DABS now don't they?
[21:05:15] stuartm: justinh: nice – just keep a tape measure handy – builders screwed up my parent's first new build, the fourth bedroom was too small for a bed of any size (smaller than indicated on the plan)
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[21:05:44] stuartm: justinh: yeah, they ruined the business inside 6 months – prices rocketed up
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[21:06:28] stuartm: had them back in twice to demolish and rebuild the wall in the right place ;)
[21:06:54] justinh: heh
[21:07:03] AndyCap: so fawlty towers is rooted in reality. :)
[21:07:26] justinh: maybe I'll continue to use aria then.. they do mail order too
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[21:08:40] stuartm: it's been a while since I've used either dabs or ebuyer, there's always the possibility that they've pulled a remarkable u-turn although it's unlikely
[21:09:58] stuartm: last few items I've bought have actually been through Amazon – granted they don't necesarily have the same range but for the items I was buying they couldn't be beaten on the price
[21:10:14] stuartm: which is sad
[21:12:27] justinh: my preferences are real shop first, then amazon, then ebay last
[21:16:46] AndyCap: justinh: do you have the real shop order in?
[21:17:24] justinh: no, I'm just window shopping. and still veering towards the long hdmi cable idea
[21:20:23] justinh: oh, but then I've had another idea. Mod the stupid LC02 case to mount a really big fan (airflow is CRAP in that case) – and just shove a cheap nvidia card in there
[21:21:01] justinh: put frontend on shelf above teevee.. done deal – and out of the way of the kids – and cheaper than HDMI adapters for cables
[21:30:20] AndyCap: as long as the WAF is high enough that's a good solution
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[21:32:11] justinh: it's going to be bad enough routing network cabling in one of these new houses
[21:32:24] justinh: concrete floors (I think)
[21:35:30] AndyCap: yeah, that's no fun
[21:35:52] wagnerrp: no conduit?
[21:36:42] justinh: why would there be conduit?
[21:36:58] justinh: you mean to make future changes easy and/or possible? LOL
[21:37:04] wagnerrp: because it's concrete floors, and you need some way to run wires
[21:37:40] justinh: it might very well have a crawlspace I dunno
[21:41:00] justinh: mind the walls are only stud partitions inside so it should (ha!) be easy to go between rooms
[21:42:01] justinh: putting network cabling into every room should be standard practise in new builds IMHO. Wireless sucks
[21:42:19] justinh: *is great for mobile browsing & stuff but useless for serious work
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[21:51:01] AndyCap: what's this serious work of which you speak? is that linkedin?
[21:56:19] justinh: moving camcorder files & photos to a big, backed up store in a timely manner
[21:56:44] wagnerrp: justinh: but what do i need to wire my laptop for, when my router has its own bittorrent client?
[21:58:20] wagnerrp: time to stop avoiding work and just go home... to work...
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