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| [00:08:51] | keith4_: | oh oh |
| [00:09:30] | keith4_: | yah, I think the myth remove apps on android and iOS use the telnet interface |
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| [01:45:20] | wagnerrp: | 2040-bit encryption? |
| [01:45:31] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the writers or the actor screwed that one up... |
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| [02:03:22] | wagnerrp: | nope, writers |
| [02:11:50] | bill6502: | Person of Interest? |
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| [02:13:08] | wagnerrp: | intelligence |
| [02:13:27] | wagnerrp: | it tries... but i don't think it succeeds |
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| [02:16:27] | bill6502: | Just watched PoI,In 1980, the youngster also sent a Signal Frequency tone while listening to Dial Tone (which only worked on a l ong distance call after it was setup) and then used DTFM (Touch Tone) keys to complete the call (only Multi Frequency would have worked.) |
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| [02:24:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: screwed up? http://www.softlist.net/program/unbreakable_e . . . oftware.html |
| [02:24:51] | sphery: | that said, I had high hopes for Intelligence, but you're making me lose hope |
| [02:26:32] | wagnerrp: | not 256-byte? |
| [02:26:44] | wagnerrp: | most ciphers like multiples of two |
| [02:27:00] | sphery: | yeah, strange number |
| [02:27:14] | sphery: | and I don't think I'd trust that utility |
| [02:27:19] | sphery: | but, hey, it makes the claim |
| [02:27:36] | wagnerrp: | i thought RC4 was fairly weak anyway |
| [02:28:05] | sphery: | hehe, https://forum.intern0t.org/network-security-c . . . ing-faq.html |
| [02:28:21] | sphery: | "5.3. What tools are known to be not strong?" – * UnBreakable Encryption (UBE) 98 |
| [02:28:37] | sphery: | The tool has a big probability to be not strong if it has one or more "Snake Oil Warning Signs". |
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| [03:09:02] | wagnerrp: | bill6502: but... "it's hammer time" |
| [03:09:07] | wagnerrp: | how can you not love PoI? |
| [03:10:09] | bill6502: | "sometimes you need a scalpel" |
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| [04:06:49] | runelind: | does it make sense that un-accelerated 1080i MPEG2 playback takes up ~90% of CPU time on a Core 2 Duo? |
| [04:06:57] | runelind: | Mac Mini running 10.9 |
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| [04:07:41] | wagnerrp: | well it should be impossible to take more than 50% for decoding alone |
| [04:07:53] | wagnerrp: | which means you must be using a pretty aggressive deint filter |
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| [04:08:07] | runelind: | as far as I know, it is just using the defaults. |
| [04:08:27] | runelind: | is that in the playback options? |
| [04:08:59] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:09:18] | runelind: | let me poke through the settings. |
| [04:11:22] | runelind: | current playback settings is "normal" |
| [04:12:36] | runelind: | no mention of deinterlacing filters |
| [04:12:43] | wagnerrp: | hit edit |
| [04:15:29] | runelind: | I can add new, does not appear that I can edit. |
| [04:16:57] | wagnerrp: | in the page that says "normal" there should be at least one line item below |
| [04:16:57] | runelind: | what's annoying is that it works great on my laptop (over wifi no less), with the same settings |
| [04:17:08] | wagnerrp: | and there should be something on the order of "edit" to the right of that line |
| [04:18:38] | runelind: | gotta reboot – apparently I only get sound the first time I open a recording. |
| [04:21:28] | runelind: | hrm, I have an edit button on my Nvidia ION box, but not on the Mac |
| [04:21:52] | runelind: | is Bob (2x, HW) an appropriate deinterlacer for a VDPAU box? |
| [04:22:06] | wagnerrp: | it should be fine, it's not very intensive |
| [04:22:15] | wagnerrp: | this is an OSX machine? |
| [04:23:04] | runelind: | the Bob (2x, HW) was on my NVidia ION Linux box |
| [04:23:18] | runelind: | I haven't found the edit option on the Mac yet |
| [04:25:02] | runelind: | on the Mac I should have no problems with using VDA, right? |
| [04:25:12] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [04:26:03] | runelind: | I seem to have bad luck with accelerate playback :) |
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| [04:27:09] | runelind: | on my linux box, it studders every few seconds if I'm also recording the show while I'm watching. |
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| [04:28:53] | runelind: | suppose it could be a network issue, since the uplink could be a bit dodgy. |
| [04:29:38] | runelind: | just whining out loud at this point :) |
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| [04:31:26] | wagnerrp: | the application runs locally |
| [04:33:06] | runelind: | right, but recordings are on a fileserver in the basement |
| [04:33:15] | runelind: | link only locks in at 100mbit |
| [04:33:35] | wagnerrp: | but that wouldn't explain the missing UI option, or high CPU usage |
| [04:36:36] | runelind: | yeah, true. |
| [04:40:38] | runelind: | what is a reasonable deinterlacer to use? |
| [04:41:37] | wagnerrp: | whatever's default should work fine on that chip |
| [04:41:53] | wagnerrp: | if it's a "HW" decoder, you may not have the GPU for it |
| [04:42:25] | runelind: | looks like VDA should only be used for H.264 files. |
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| [16:56:56] | dahlSTROM: | uh, can anyone explain to me how mythccextractor works? |
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| [18:55:35] | Sparkye: | Hi, I'm having a bit of a problem with my mythtv system that I hope you can help me with. I was watching live tv yesterday and suddenly got a "no lock". When trying to change channels this happened on all channels. I started mythtv-setup and had a look at the settings. In the TV-card section it said "ERROR_OPEN" on my card. So I deleted all cards and associations, rebootet, added the card |
| [18:55:35] | Sparkye: | again and did a new channel scan, which went o.k.. So I rebooted again, started the frontend and tried to watch live-tv. It worked for around 5 seconds, I got a "no lock" and keep on getting that ever since. |
| [18:57:27] | Sparkye: | I've had a lock at the log files etc. but I can't find anything that would explain this. Could it have to do with my TV-Card ? |
| [18:58:03] | mengoshmink: | I have to go afk in a sec but my 1st question has anything recently been updated eg kernel? |
| [18:58:30] | SteveGoodey: | Sparkye: Have you tried using the card outside of mythtv. Tvtime, kaffeine etc. |
| [18:59:17] | Sparkye: | the only packages that were updated were some ssl packages (I'm running debian stable) |
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| [18:59:49] | Sparkye: | I don't have any other dvb applications on that box, its only purpose is to act as a media server with a telly on it |
| [19:02:37] | Sparkye: | hmm this might be hardware related. I have a strange red LED illuminated on my mainboard |
| [19:05:38] | SteveGoodey: | Sparkye: Anything in dmesg? |
| [19:06:24] | Sparkye: | after a reboot it again worked for a few seconds, then the picture freezes and I a "Video frame buffering failed too many times" message |
| [19:06:29] | Sparkye: | I'll check dmesg |
| [19:07:56] | Sparkye: | there are dmesg errors "dvb-ttpci: StartHWFilter error ..." |
| [19:08:37] | Sparkye: | and "stv0297_readreg: readreg error (reg == 0xdf, ret == -121) |
| [19:10:24] | SteveGoodey: | Sparkye: Is it doing it on all channels? |
| [19:11:01] | Sparkye: | yes |
| [19:11:17] | Sparkye: | could it be a firmware issue? |
| [19:11:54] | SteveGoodey: | Couldn't be encryption turned on by the broadcaster could it? |
| [19:12:18] | Sparkye: | well I can see a signal for a few seconds |
| [19:12:34] | Sparkye: | and it also happens on public channels that the broadcaster may not encrypt at all |
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| [19:13:31] | SteveGoodey: | Is it possible to try the card in another PC? |
| [19:14:17] | Sparkye: | not quickly, I only have my laptop |
| [19:14:38] | Sparkye: | the thing is, I'm not sure I've watched live TV at all after installing this machine |
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| [19:15:23] | SteveGoodey: | How about trying a recording and see if that works. |
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| [19:15:58] | Sparkye: | I'll do that and in the meantime figure out if I'm using the correct firmware version |
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| [19:19:30] | justinh: | definitely install another DVB app & try the tuner with that |
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| [19:23:40] | Korny: | SO this is going to sound a bit far fetched, but I have a question, with intels vt-d and video passthrough, could someone theorhetically have 3or 4 myth frontends on a single box?] |
| [19:24:00] | Korny: | using 3–4 virtual machines? |
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| [19:25:19] | Korny: | I look at cpu usage for 1080p opengl on an i3 and it barely touches it, so if I were to upgrade to a i7 I would think it woudl be possible to have all the frontends in a home be run from a single machine, or am I just dreaming :/ |
| [19:26:01] | pitz: | korny, i don't see why not. |
| [19:26:53] | Korny: | It woudl be interesting |
| [19:27:33] | Korny: | Sigh I have no clue what "in a home be run" means lol |
| [19:28:00] | Korny: | oh wait now I do after reading it more closely lol |
| [19:29:18] | justinh: | I don't see why not, other than running frontends in a VM is about the silliest idea I've ever seen here |
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| [19:30:58] | justinh: | is it still the case that you only ever get accelerated video decoding on only one video output? |
| [19:31:37] | justinh: | and within 'accelerated' include stuff like playback synced to the refresh rate.. i.e. non-tearing |
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| [19:44:38] | Sparkye: | [ 41.868163] dvb-ttpci: __av7110_send_fw_cmd(): timeout waiting for COMMAND idle |
| [19:44:39] | Sparkye: | [ 41.868172] dvb-ttpci: av7110_send_fw_cmd(): av7110_send_fw_cmd error -110 |
| [19:44:39] | Sparkye: | [ 41.868177] dvb-ttpci: av7110_fw_cmd error -110 |
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| [19:50:45] | Korny: | justinh: what if you had 3 video cards? |
| [19:52:46] | devinheitmueller: | Sparkye: what kernel are you on? |
| [19:53:11] | devinheitmueller: | If you're running a recent kernel, this could very well be a regression caused by the recent changes for dynamic stack allocation. |
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| [19:58:31] | Sparkye: | kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| [19:59:22] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, so it isn't the recent changes then. Nevermind. |
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| [20:00:41] | Sparkye: | I'm not sure I can fix this. the ARM on the card seems to be crashing over and over |
| [20:00:54] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, this is on ARM? |
| [20:01:03] | devinheitmueller: | It's entirely possible the driver is just broken on ARM. |
| [20:01:48] | devinheitmueller: | It's very common for those tuner drivers to be broken on anything non-X86 until somebody who knows what he/she is doing tries it for the first time and then fixes the bugs. |
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| [20:04:17] | Sparkye: | the CPU is not ARM |
| [20:04:52] | Sparkye: | but the log keeps on saying "dvb-ttpci: ARM crashed @ card 1" |
| [20:04:58] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, ok. |
| [20:05:03] | Sparkye: | there is an ARM controller on the card I think |
| [20:05:06] | devinheitmueller: | So the av7110 has an ARM core, I guess. |
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| [20:06:19] | devinheitmueller: | (or ARM is an acronym for something other than what we typically think it is) |
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| [20:07:03] | Sparkye: | possibly |
| [20:07:23] | devinheitmueller: | You would probably be better asking on the linux-media mailing list than here. |
| [20:08:22] | Sparkye: | yeah maybe |
| [20:08:55] | Sparkye: | I think I still have my old mythbuntu installation on a different harddrive |
| [20:09:01] | Sparkye: | I might try booting that |
| [20:09:22] | Sparkye: | see if the problem is there as well, that one used to work |
| [20:10:49] | Sparkye: | if the card is broken I'm temped just to by a hdd recorder |
| [20:11:06] | devinheitmueller: | If you can narrow it down to a specific kernel, then that definitely helps with the debugging. |
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| [20:12:34] | Sparkye: | I'd love to dig deeper into this, but I've already played around 2 evenings and I really should be doing a few other things as well :P |
| [20:14:15] | Sparkye: | Do you know what firmware version would be the most recent? It would at least reduce the variables a bit |
| [20:16:22] | devinheitmueller: | No clue. I don't have any experience with that particular card or driver. |
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| [20:17:50] | Sparkye: | it is quite an old card |
| [20:19:53] | Sparkye: | what are common DVB-C cards these days? |
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| [20:24:02] | ctmjr: | Korny: I had 4 different frontends running on 2 gpu's on my main desktop with 4 monitors got kinda warm in there but it worked |
| [20:24:22] | Korny: | Using different x sessions? |
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| [20:26:08] | wizbit_: | got tv, its awesome |
| [20:26:22] | wizbit_: | all i need now is a dvb-t2 card, anybody recommend a good one? |
| [20:27:26] | ctmjr: | yes each screen had it's own that was the hard part |
| [20:29:43] | wizbit_: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6285 |
| [21:04:43] | justinh: | I think t2 cards are still a bit pricey |
| [21:05:29] | justinh: | hmm 4 tuners for £160? not bad |
| [21:07:28] | justinh: | eew.. manufacturer provided drivers only? |
| [21:08:02] | justinh: | oh, but F connectors for the aerial inputs.. *good* idea |
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| [21:20:38] | wizbit_: | justinh: picture quality on tv is awesome, black blacks and white whites |
| [21:20:48] | wizbit_: | nice and bright and sharp |
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| [21:23:24] | wagnerrp_: | i don't think this guy understands how open source works... http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.v . . . ucture/72646 |
| [21:27:49] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [21:40:15] | stuartm: | f-connectors are indeed a great idea |
| [21:40:39] | stuartm: | justinh: did you ever solder f-connectors onto your boards in the end? |
| [21:41:45] | justinh: | stuartm: nah. never enough downtime on the backend for that. wifey has to keep up with her stories ;-) |
| [21:42:55] | justinh: | so what's with manufacturer provided drivers then? not up to submitting them upstream or something? |
| [21:43:00] | stuartm: | at some point this year I'll get one of those T2 cards |
| [21:44:05] | wagnerrp_: | f-connectors suck. give me BNC any day |
| [21:44:07] | stuartm: | justinh: usually it's because the chipset OEM won't let them release the driver – can't have the competition knowing the specs of your product or some such nonsense |
| [21:45:26] | stuartm: | wagnerrp_: the choice here is between f-connector or Belling-Lee |
| [21:45:56] | stuartm: | the former is usually used for cable/sat, the latter for ota |
| [21:46:07] | stuartm: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_169-2#Belling-Lee |
| [21:46:30] | stuartm: | Belling-Lee sucks, as it doesn't lock and is easily dislodged |
| [21:47:19] | stuartm: | heh, invented in 1922 for the first TVs |
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| [21:48:24] | wagnerrp_: | when i look at your tuner cards, there's no threads, and there's what looks like BNC hooks on the sides |
| [21:48:31] | wagnerrp_: | is that not actually what i'm seeing? |
| [21:49:11] | stuartm: | wagnerrp_: no threads, no hooks, not for DVB-T |
| [21:50:32] | stuartm: | the bit about signal reflections is interesting, wonder whether it would really make a noticeable difference to signal quality if I were to solder on an F-Connector instead (probably would be worse given my lousy soldering) |
| [21:51:34] | wagnerrp_: | pity... bayonet connectors are wonderful |
| [21:53:09] | stuartm: | bnc might be used for non-mainstream stuff, I only ever saw it in the early nineties for 10-T networks |
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| [21:55:29] | wagnerrp_: | we use it some for industrial data busses |
| [21:55:34] | stuartm: | wait, no that would have been 10Base-2 |
| [21:55:54] | justinh: | it's used a *lot* in RF & pro video |
| [21:56:03] | justinh: | and test&measurement :-) |
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| [21:57:52] | wagnerrp_: | honestly, for where we use it, F-connectors would likely be better suited |
| [21:58:02] | stuartm: | yeah, I seem recall seeing it on oscilloscopes |
| [21:58:09] | wagnerrp_: | since they only get swapped out for hardware failures or upgrades |
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| [21:59:29] | justinh: | F connectors are just better all round – but just about anything is better than belling-lee |
| [22:00:04] | justinh: | we use SMA at work on the latest bit of kit, but that's a bugger to terminate |
| [22:01:56] | stuartm: | screw on f-connectors ftw |
| [22:01:59] | justinh: | WTH? Avermedia hybrid dvbt2 card with HDMI in & out? |
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| [22:02:53] | stuartm: | framebuffer, in this day and age? |
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| [22:03:09] | justinh: | doubt it's a framebuffer with HDMI in |
| [22:03:43] | devinheitmueller: | Most of Aver's PCIe cards that have HDMI in are in fact framebuffer devices. |
| [22:03:45] | stuartm: | the IN is probably for passthrough, so you can connect a second device to a TV/monitor with one HDMI |
| [22:03:48] | devinheitmueller: | (they do encoding in software) |
| [22:04:05] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the devices add the passthrough mainly for the gaming market, so there is no latency. |
| [22:04:25] | stuartm: | ah, yeah that makes some sense |
| [22:04:27] | justinh: | eek.. that must cause some system load |
| [22:04:31] | devinheitmueller: | Indeed it does. |
| [22:04:54] | devinheitmueller: | They have a couple of newer designs which support onboard encoding, mostly the USB designs though (because of the bandwidth) |
| [22:05:00] | justinh: | I've not even looked at tuner cards for years |
| [22:05:33] | devinheitmueller: | I'm surprised to see a combined device though that has both a tuner and HDMI capture/passthrough, since they target two different customer markets. |
| [22:06:18] | justinh: | ow. a hundred quid for a dual tuner dvb-t2 card :-/ |
| [22:06:53] | justinh: | or t2 sticks on ebay of dubious sources |
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| [22:12:22] | stuartm: | justinh: swear the TBS6280 was available for under £100 a month ago, but looking at Amazon it seems like stock is short which might explain the escalation in price |
| [22:12:53] | stuartm: | they may be prep'ing a new model as they recently did for the quad-tuner |
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| [22:13:24] | stuartm: | justinh: there's http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVBSky-T982-profile-D . . . ords=TBS6280 |
| [22:13:34] | stuartm: | but no idea about drivers |
| [22:14:21] | stuartm: | £40 a tuner seems to be about average atm (for dual tuner and above) |
| [22:15:01] | justinh: | £40 isn't a bad price for a dual tuner |
| [22:15:27] | justinh: | I got all my dvbt tuners for a song.. £15 at most. the price of them sucking in windows :-D |
| [22:16:41] | stuartm: | that's £40 per tuner, so £80 for a dual-tuner |
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| [22:17:03] | justinh: | ah |
| [22:17:12] | stuartm: | not exactly what I'd call cheap, but I'm resigned to it |
| [22:18:04] | stuartm: | tuner prices rarely seem to go down instead of up, they defy the usual trend for consumer electronics and components |
| [22:18:48] | ** stuartm mumbles something about cartels ** | |
| [22:18:57] | justinh: | not much of a market for em |
| [22:19:08] | justinh: | unlike VGA, SDR etc.. |
| [22:19:45] | justinh: | I bet a lot of the dirt cheap dvb-t2 tuners are SDR based |
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| [22:26:04] | justinh: | maybe my next house will already come with a dish. s2 tuners have been supported for longer |
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| [22:27:24] | stuartm: | true, and signal problems are rarer |
| [22:27:46] | stuartm: | although you do have to contend with hundreds of junk channels |
| [22:28:32] | stuartm: | can't overstate just what I pain those are to deal with each time you rescan |
| [22:28:58] | justinh: | heh freeview is bad enough |
| [22:29:16] | stuartm: | it should be easier in future though, once we have some form of lineup support |
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| [22:30:07] | stuartm: | that's some undetermined point in the future ;) |
| [22:30:42] | justinh: | I think the battle is getting into the listings providers first |
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| [22:31:32] | justinh: | whatever happened to the T2 HDHR ? |
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| [22:44:42] | justinh: | wahahaha http://angrytechnician.wordpress.com/page/4/ |
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| [22:56:43] | justinh: | hmm I don't mind the likes of nvidia providing binary blobs. Nvidia aren't some no-mark outfit who could disappear tomorrow. Those makers of the TBR cards.. erm.. |
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| [22:57:27] | justinh: | oops TBS |
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| [23:03:39] | justinh: | hmm the TBS drivers *are* source code |
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| [23:30:26] | MartinT: | justinh: just reading that angrytechnician blog... hilarious... |
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