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| [00:25:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | fyi ... |
| [00:25:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | if anyone is thinking of using a ceton card on *buntu at least >= 13.10 , you're gonna need an updated ctntad driver |
| [00:26:08] | Hydr0p0nX: | Fedora20 will need it also |
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| [00:46:34] | kisak: | good evening, am I able to determine if a recording is 480, 720, or 1080 from a bash script? |
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| [00:46:58] | keith4_: | mediainfo should tell you |
| [00:47:00] | kisak: | or maybe just SD/HD |
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| [00:53:30] | Kwisher: | is there any reason to enable qos for mythtv on your lan? |
| [00:54:49] | wagnerrp: | only if you expect to get anywhere near saturation on your network |
| [00:55:02] | jams: | suppose it depends on what else your doing..but probably not |
| [00:55:35] | Kwisher: | just curious with network based tuners like hdhr |
| [00:57:45] | wagnerrp: | what kind of network do you have? |
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| [01:01:20] | kisak: | keith4_: mediainfo seems more unsavory than figuring out the mysql query |
| [01:01:48] | clever: | kisak: i dont think myth stores that info in mysql |
| [01:02:11] | clever: | the most you can get is the average bitrate, filesize / (endtime – starttime) |
| [01:02:16] | kisak: | oh? |
| [01:02:31] | clever: | that could reveal sd vs hd, but not much more |
| [01:03:18] | kisak: | then where is the HD / 720 / 1080 marking coming from in mythfrontend? |
| [01:03:33] | wagnerrp: | there are flags, but i'm not sure if those are sourced from the content or the EPG data |
| [01:03:44] | wagnerrp: | however, using bash, you're better off not touching mysql |
| [01:03:47] | clever: | now that i think of it, ive never hooked up an HD tuner, so i never saw those icons |
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| [01:06:12] | clever: | mysql> select chanid,starttime,filesize / (unix_timestamp(endtime) – unix_timestamp(starttime)) as bitrate from recorded limit 5; |
| [01:06:15] | clever: | | chanid | starttime | bitrate | |
| [01:06:16] | clever: | | 1060 | 2010-11–14 09:40:00 | 159148.8220 | |
| [01:06:28] | clever: | bit ugly, but thats a very simple bitrate measurement |
| [01:07:49] | clever: | turns out, i have files ranging from 26kbyte/sec (ouch) to 715kbyte/sec |
| [01:08:13] | clever: | i was expecting atleast 1mbit/sec, but i guess thats how much SD sucks |
| [01:08:27] | kisak: | that's not a reliable on my backend |
| [01:08:57] | clever: | better off using something like mplayer -identify to parse the file directly |
| [01:08:59] | kisak: | *not a reliable query |
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| [01:09:32] | kisak: | clever: that's true |
| [01:09:52] | clever: | -frames 1 -novideo -noaudio -identify would be a good place to start |
| [01:10:29] | clever: | ffmpeg -i 1066_20120924035500.mpg is another option, but i dont think it has an easy to parse output |
| [01:10:32] | clever: | Stream #0:0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p, 720x480 [SAR 8:9 DAR 4:3], 8000 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc |
| [01:11:08] | kisak: | no mplayer on the server :D *sigh* |
| [01:11:34] | clever: | i had the exact same issue trying to get an example! |
| [01:19:36] | keith4_: | so I think I'm having this same problem: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10994 |
| [01:20:12] | BLZbubba: | skd5aner: just got back, if you're still online |
| [01:21:03] | keith4_: | our of 571 channels in the channel table, only 1 has a null mplexid. and it's the channel that won't show anything |
| [01:21:07] | keith4_: | *out of |
| [01:21:20] | BLZbubba: | the symptom I see is whenever one particular slave backend is connected, the master backend always times out on requests to port 6544 |
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| [01:21:52] | BLZbubba: | i'm cleaning up my orphaned recording entries to see if that helps |
| [01:21:57] | BLZbubba: | i had a couple thousand of them |
| [01:23:41] | keith4_: | yay, that was the problem \o/ |
| [01:24:53] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: how does your find_orphans.py script delete these orphaned recording entries? Specifically – I store everything on one NFS export but it seems to be trying to contact the slave backends to do the deleting |
| [01:25:28] | BLZbubba: | but since one is offline it is failing on all of its recordings |
| [01:25:35] | BLZbubba: | even though I have the master backend override flag set |
| [01:26:07] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't. it tells the backend to |
| [01:28:26] | keith4_: | do I need a cronjob to run mythfilldatabase anymore? or does the backend handle that internally now? |
| [01:28:56] | wagnerrp: | the backend has handled it internally for as long as i've been using mythtv |
| [01:29:13] | BLZbubba: | ok so it is the master backend that is doing it wrong |
| [01:32:26] | kisak: | there it is: select hdtv from recordedprogram having $chanid = chanid having $starttime = starttime; ... or something |
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| [01:32:56] | wagnerrp: | better to not touch mysql if you're trying to script using bash |
| [01:33:12] | kisak: | wagnerrp: massive warning noted |
| [01:34:01] | kisak: | I understand if I screw myself, I won't come crying |
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| [01:36:24] | kisak: | my recordings might start with a SD commercial and also might not get a clean start recording to disk, giving a false damaged marking |
| [01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | it's not that you're going to screw youself querying the database |
| [01:38:50] | wagnerrp: | bash is a batch language |
| [01:39:06] | BLZbubba: | I don't see how deleting a recording can fail, isn't it just marking it in the db? |
| [01:39:08] | wagnerrp: | it is designed to throw together sequences of external programs in a sequence, with limited flow control |
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| [01:39:42] | wagnerrp: | when you need more complicated flow control and data access, it likely means it's time for a more complicated language |
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| [01:40:48] | kisak: | all I need is an if statement saying bail early if not a HD recording to what I already have |
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| [01:44:18] | wagnerrp: | just trying to head off one more way-too-complicated bash scripts at the pass |
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| [01:51:27] | BLZbubba: | what if i just touch the file it's trying to delete, maybe that will make it just work |
| [01:51:54] | wagnerrp: | then it would no longer be orphaned |
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| [02:53:59] | keith4_: | I just disabled a bunch of channels in Schedules Direct. how do I get myth to throw out guide data for those channels now? I tried mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels, but it doesn't look like it dropped any |
| [03:00:03] | keith4_: | maybe --dd-grab-all? |
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| [03:37:45] | AnthonyUK: | mythtv seems to change channel slowly, or is that just me running hardware that is too old |
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| [03:39:27] | AnthonyUK: | I can live with it, am just wondering if I bought a new pci-e tuner and new computer |
| [03:39:33] | AnthonyUK: | would it be quicker |
| [03:49:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | it's not just you, but, if i'm not mistaken, it's due to live tv working similar to recording |
| [03:50:03] | Hydr0p0nX: | so it buffers a few seconds on channel changes before playing |
| [03:50:21] | Hydr0p0nX: | if wagnerrp is around, he will sure correct me if i've mis-spoken on it :) |
| [03:50:47] | AnthonyUK: | I've goten used to it tbh, you just don't mindlessly change channel so I make sure I read the guide first |
| [03:51:32] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, in my case, i have 4 2TB drives w/ 4tuners |
| [03:51:40] | AnthonyUK: | I had a nother prob with stutering playback, then I messed up settings in setup -> Video -> Playback settings |
| [03:51:58] | AnthonyUK: | but I did the setup wizard and it sorted it :) |
| [03:52:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, i'm in a touchy spot with my setup until 14.04 or i consider re-loading fedora |
| [03:52:38] | Hydr0p0nX: | usb keyboard and mouse or HDMI audio work |
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| [03:52:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv's contribution to livetv channel tuning is around 2–3 seconds |
| [03:52:52] | wagnerrp: | anything beyond that is the tuner |
| [03:53:05] | AnthonyUK: | feels like it is 2–3 seconds |
| [04:16:00] | keith4_: | wagnerrp, can I just empty the channels table and re-run mythfilldatabase? |
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| [04:20:59] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [04:35:36] | AnthonyUK: | time for me to sign out I think |
| [04:35:39] | AnthonyUK: | gn all |
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| [04:53:28] | keith4_: | wagnerrp, beauty, thanks |
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| [11:11:04] | wizbit: | is there any difference between connecting a TV via DVI > HDMI on tv and HDMI > HDMI apart from sound? |
| [11:12:29] | Merlin83b: | No. |
| [11:12:32] | wizbit: | ace |
| [11:12:50] | wizbit: | am i right in thinking that on modern TVs i wont need a modeline? |
| [11:13:18] | wizbit: | xorg should auto detect it? |
| [11:16:51] | Merlin83b: | Certainly did for me :) |
| [11:16:58] | wizbit: | ace |
| [11:17:25] | wizbit: | luckily my new tv will support 1920 x 1080 resolution what computers can do |
| [11:17:28] | wizbit: | rather than 1366 x |
| [11:17:56] | Merlin83b: | If it's a full HD TV, it will. |
| [11:18:06] | wizbit: | yep it is |
| [11:29:29] | justinh: | Merlin83b: hey, long time no see :-) |
| [11:31:25] | justinh: | from what I've heard of modern tv sound there's little point in using their builtin speakers anyway. Oh look how thin the case is.. yeah but there'll be NO bass to speak of. Heh |
| [11:42:58] | justinh: | right that's me back on uk_rt grabbing duty now. EIT just doesn't go far enough ahead & its categorisations are crazy |
| [11:43:22] | laga: | justinh: always the same story ;) |
| [11:44:07] | justinh: | ! laga ! even longer time no see. |
| [11:44:17] | laga: | yep, it's been a while ;) |
| [11:44:50] | justinh: | since we last spoke I've changed jobs. Gone into subsea oil& gas measurement from evil CCTV |
| [11:45:26] | justinh: | oh and a spot of web design/development on the side too |
| [11:45:40] | laga: | awesome! still, a bold move after peak oil ;) |
| [11:45:53] | laga: | i'll be finally finishing my studies in 6 months or so |
| [11:46:18] | justinh: | currently waiting to hear if an offer is being made for my house. I'm still going back to manchester every weekend to see my wife & kids. once the house is sold we'll all be together again |
| [11:46:34] | laga: | nice |
| [11:46:41] | justinh: | yay to finishing studies :-) |
| [11:46:42] | laga: | sounds stressful, though |
| [11:46:56] | justinh: | laga: it's not been as bad as I'd expected |
| [11:47:29] | justinh: | I had to leave the old job. The company was destroying my soul |
| [11:47:50] | laga: | what are you doing now? |
| [11:47:58] | justinh: | the commute was awful & iwas coming into an increasing amount of contact with the CEO |
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| [11:48:17] | justinh: | electronics technicianing still, only for oil & gas measurement gear |
| [11:48:34] | Merlin83b: | Hi justinh :) How's life treating you? |
| [11:48:39] | justinh: | big payrise too. I now earn after tax, what I used to get before tax :-) |
| [11:49:02] | justinh: | Merlin83b: good, good.Just need to sell my house & it'll be even better |
| [11:49:08] | laga: | nice, even more toys ;) |
| [11:49:18] | justinh: | toys for who? My kids? LOL |
| [11:49:22] | Merlin83b: | Just read what you said after that. Does sound like things are looking up! Where in Manchester are your family? |
| [11:49:23] | laga: | no, for you |
| [11:49:51] | justinh: | Merlin83b: New Moston. Kinda halfway between the city centre & oldham |
| [11:50:16] | Merlin83b: | Yeah I know it. I still work in the city centre :) |
| [11:50:18] | justinh: | laga: bah. I've lost interest in 'toys'. A function of getting older I think |
| [11:50:32] | wizbit: | justinh: and i bet you still use a old CRT |
| [11:50:36] | justinh: | Merlin83b: yeah, for the company I rent my VPS from |
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| [11:50:54] | justinh: | wizbit: when we move it's not coming with us |
| [11:50:59] | justinh: | wizbit: othe |
| [11:51:25] | wizbit: | aye good, i bought this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-L39B6B-3 . . . elevision+39 |
| [11:51:27] | justinh: | wizbit: otherwise I'd have to mount a flat TV on a wall, and I ain't digging no channels in no walls when it's up for sale |
| [11:51:31] | wizbit: | it should arrive tomorrow |
| [11:51:39] | Merlin83b: | Haha justinh, good to know! |
| [11:52:24] | Merlin83b: | I moved earlier this year. Cables all hidden behind walls now, for 5.1 and the TV. Looks pretty slick if I do say so myself. Took ages though! |
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| [11:52:35] | justinh: | Merlin83b: I'm running a dog training club website (wordpress), and helping out a friend of my sister inlaw by hosting, developing & maintaining a prestashop site selling naughty knickers |
| [11:53:00] | justinh: | I'll say this now mind, I'm *never* doing my own email hosting again. |
| [11:53:28] | justinh: | oh yeah I thought, email is dead easy to set up. Yeah maybe, but getting it so mails are delivered? Hahaha |
| [11:53:38] | wizbit: | postfix is nice |
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| [11:54:51] | justinh: | next time I'll go for something control panel based |
| [11:56:16] | Merlin83b: | Yeah email is a pain to get right. |
| [11:56:25] | wizbit: | just watch the logs :-) |
| [11:56:31] | wizbit: | spam is the problem |
| [11:56:32] | Merlin83b: | We've spent something like the past 6 months getting our new platform right. |
| [11:56:43] | Merlin83b: | wizbit: More of a problem when you're dealing with tens of thousands of mailboxes ;) |
| [11:56:47] | wizbit: | eeek |
| [11:57:16] | wizbit: | when will email fizzle out into something technically better? |
| [11:57:58] | Merlin83b: | Never. FAR too big of an existing user base. |
| [11:58:30] | wizbit: | email is early 90's technology |
| [11:58:36] | wizbit: | even 80's |
| [11:59:27] | Merlin83b: | Heavily patched, perhaps. The internet itself is 60s tech ;) |
| [11:59:58] | Merlin83b: | justinh: I've beenb playing with woocommerce recently, keeping in the wordpress theme :) |
| [12:00:32] | wizbit: | i wonder if magento is still slow as hell |
| [12:00:38] | Merlin83b: | Yep |
| [12:00:38] | justinh: | prestashop is fricking horrible BTW |
| [12:00:49] | wizbit: | opencart was quite nice from what i remember of it years ago |
| [12:00:58] | justinh: | doesn't look nice |
| [12:01:01] | Merlin83b: | We sell magento hosting, but you have to move up the product range before it'll work reasonably. |
| [12:01:18] | justinh: | yeah the community edition is suckage on a stick |
| [12:01:31] | wizbit: | i think speed is king when it comes to carts |
| [12:01:47] | justinh: | prestashop is about the same – but smarty speeds it up no end |
| [12:02:57] | justinh: | that friend of my sister inlaw came to me & said she'd paid some guy 500 quid to make a shop site – he'd installed prestashop & a paid-for template, put his company name on the footer & that was it. Oh yeah he designed a crappy looking logo in photoshop too |
| [12:03:55] | justinh: | she wanted various little jobs doing & he just wasn't around for weeks at a time. So I offered to take it on, talked her into sacking the guy, installed my own backup module & grabbed everything to host it myself |
| [12:04:38] | justinh: | then the more I started looking at it I found countless things wrong with the template – so most of it's my own design now |
| [12:04:47] | Merlin83b: | Always the way ;) |
| [12:05:28] | justinh: | stuff like in the sale section of a page the 'on sale' price would be *above* the crossed-out previous price |
| [12:06:05] | justinh: | oh then I tried enabling layered navigation – it wouldn't install cos the database was hosed basically |
| [12:07:16] | justinh: | now I've got my own modules – day of week vouchers, a manufacturer slider, a blog module (heavily hacked from an awful 'free' one). I get things done. |
| [12:07:46] | justinh: | It's been suggested that I start selling the modules I've made but NO WAY. PS users are worse than mythtv users LOL |
| [12:07:51] | laga: | heh |
| [12:08:13] | laga: | i started doing some wordpress on the side. now i have a couple of small plugins written and a refreshed hate of PHP |
| [12:09:09] | justinh: | I hate prestashop, but I kind of admire it – the stuff I hate is why so much of it is so abstracted – and of course the database schema is unnecessarily crazy |
| [12:09:34] | justinh: | you wanna get a price for an item in category X of size Y & colour Z? Oh that's 8 left joins please |
| [12:10:35] | justinh: | oh yeah and I also do all the graphic design for the shop. No talk of taking product photos as yet |
| [12:10:53] | justinh: | mmmm lingerie models.. |
| [12:11:29] | justinh: | laga: I started out doing wordpress. the committee of the dog training club said "can you just..." & I ended up started hacking on pages |
| [12:12:10] | justinh: | watch out for 'free' backup modules though. Last one I tried was taking backups of backups of backups & almost filled a partition |
| [12:12:37] | justinh: | I wound up making my own bash scripts & running em on a cron. safest of all |
| [12:14:30] | ** justinh pities the people of fiver.com – surely their time is worth more than that pittance? ** | |
| [12:15:26] | Merlin83b: | Someone did all the work for you: http://presthemes.com/prestashop-themes/brabie.html |
| [12:16:03] | justinh: | Merlin83b: luxelingerie.co.uk |
| [12:16:11] | justinh: | probably SFW |
| [12:16:38] | justinh: | did the logo in Blender |
| [12:17:27] | Merlin83b: | Looks shoppy :) |
| [12:17:41] | justinh: | the original logo had shadows in the wrong place & was a bit Michael Bay crazy lens flare wise |
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| [12:18:13] | justinh: | if I was to set up a web shop I wouldn't choose A) that name or B) that category of product |
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| [12:18:35] | justinh: | marketing it is a *nightmare* |
| [12:20:21] | justinh: | I likely wouldn't have put over 3000 products in the shop when I'd only been in business a few months either |
| [12:20:57] | justinh: | oh yeah -and the megamenu thingy.. that was my doing too. Wasn't prepapred to pay £50 for a module |
| [12:21:03] | wizbit: | justinh: your next task is SEO |
| [12:21:13] | justinh: | wizbit: why? I don't see the point |
| [12:21:22] | justinh: | SnakE Oil |
| [12:21:29] | wizbit: | ol |
| [12:21:30] | wizbit: | l |
| [12:22:11] | Merlin83b: | Sadly very necessary snake oil. We wouldn't be so high up (and getting business from) listings for things we sell otherwise. |
| [12:22:16] | justinh: | even with optimum SEO it's not gonna see much traffic cos there's just too much competition |
| [12:22:34] | Merlin83b: | hosting is the second most competitive keyword after sex, apparently. |
| [12:22:36] | wizbit: | DoS the competition :-) |
| [12:22:45] | justinh: | and with so many damn products in the shop.. SO much text to enter |
| [12:22:50] | justinh: | I ain't doing it |
| [12:22:58] | wizbit: | i was joking :) |
| [12:23:29] | justinh: | then there's knowing which terms to use. There are only so many ways to say 'here's another pair of scanty panties with a hole in the crotch' |
| [12:24:09] | justinh: | yeah well I wasn't. I'm sick to death of getting emails from 'experts' about it. Very well targeted emails too |
| [12:25:06] | justinh: | anyway I *do* kind of have an eye on the SEO cos I want the girl to succeed – because if she makes it big so do I |
| [12:27:03] | justinh: | did a good job with the dog training club site. search for puppty or dog training in manchetser& we're fairly near top, if not the top |
| [12:27:48] | justinh: | or were. oops |
| [12:27:48] | Merlin83b: | Cool :) |
| [12:28:03] | Merlin83b: | I'll point my wife at you when we end up getting a dog ;) |
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| [12:28:19] | justinh: | ha |
| [12:28:21] | Merlin83b: | Would be tomorrow if it were up to here, only that would require me bringing it to work every day. |
| [12:28:28] | Merlin83b: | up to her, even. |
| [12:28:45] | justinh: | our mad black lab is getting on now, bless him |
| [12:29:05] | Merlin83b: | She would try to steal him ;) |
| [12:29:07] | justinh: | wow – 2nd rank with 'puppy training manchester' |
| [12:29:27] | justinh: | that's 2nd in the 'not paid for' section |
| [12:29:29] | Merlin83b: | Curse the Swintons! |
| [12:29:35] | Merlin83b: | (though we do live close to Swinton ;) |
| [12:29:47] | justinh: | better to go nearer where you live |
| [12:30:08] | justinh: | and FYI there's only as much info on the site as I can get out of the committee |
| [12:30:25] | Merlin83b: | Heh the problem of customers, be they paying or otherwise! |
| [12:30:49] | justinh: | I've washed my hands of it since they asked me to put up a facebook page |
| [12:31:04] | justinh: | I said fine, so long as they only post news on the website |
| [12:32:45] | justinh: | I'll take me money whatever. I used to use a different host, but they were like £75 a year. One site, one database.. rip-off! |
| [12:34:20] | justinh: | time to go & buy some lunch |
| [12:39:44] | wagnerrp: | SEO, the scourge of wiki admins the world over |
| [12:40:11] | wizbit: | right the time has come to re-do my home server what runs mythbackend |
| [12:40:25] | wizbit: | its a big job, but somebody has to do it |
| [12:40:49] | wizbit: | lots of crud has been installed on it over the years what is not required |
| [12:41:02] | ** wizbit downloads slackware 14.1 usb installer ** | |
| [12:42:02] | wizbit: | is it worth checking the drivers for bad blocks before i install the OS? |
| [12:42:07] | wizbit: | *hard drives |
| [12:42:26] | wagnerrp: | your hard drive does that on its own internally |
| [12:42:31] | wizbit: | aye ok |
| [12:42:59] | wizbit: | luckily the whole system is backed up on another drive so re-setting it up shouldnt be too bad |
| [12:43:49] | wizbit: | a nice fresh box for 2014 |
| [12:44:44] | wizbit: | should i now use btrfs instead of lvm? |
| [12:45:00] | wagnerrp: | i wouldn't use either |
| [12:45:41] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i like to keep stuff like /var on there own re-sizable partitions |
| [12:45:55] | wizbit: | imagine there was a problem with a log and the whole system ran out of space |
| [12:46:29] | wagnerrp: | no reason it can't be kept on a small, static partition |
| [12:46:49] | wagnerrp: | i just don't trust btrfs, and lvm is just not flexible enough to be useful |
| [12:46:50] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: but then i would have no control over the size of it |
| [12:47:37] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: http://dpaste.com/1542186/plain/ |
| [12:47:42] | wizbit: | thats what my system looks like now |
| [12:48:14] | wagnerrp: | you have to partition each of those LVM volumes, correct? |
| [12:48:22] | wagnerrp: | s/partition/format/ |
| [12:48:43] | wizbit: | using raid 1: http://dpaste.com/1542187/plain/ |
| [12:48:48] | wizbit: | for the system drive |
| [12:49:13] | wizbit: | LVM uses one big parttion then it makes volume groups inside it |
| [12:49:46] | wagnerrp: | right, but each of those is then individually formatted with a filesystem, correct? |
| [12:49:54] | wizbit: | yes |
| [12:50:01] | wagnerrp: | that just sounds horribly clumsy |
| [12:50:21] | wizbit: | is there a better way of doing it? |
| [12:51:03] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i just have one big partition for all my linux systems because LVM is too clumsy to do otherwise |
| [12:51:32] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: if something fails on your box and your logs fill up all the space, your box will lock up |
| [12:51:41] | wagnerrp: | so i dump the image and reboot |
| [12:51:50] | wagnerrp: | a two minute fix |
| [12:51:52] | wizbit: | heh |
| [12:52:27] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: is it worth me using raid 1 for the system drive? |
| [12:52:34] | wizbit: | s |
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| [12:53:31] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [12:55:02] | wizbit: | ace |
| [12:56:57] | wizbit: | should i use GPT? |
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| [13:20:35] | justinh: | did anything ever happen with silence detection for commercial flagging btw? |
| [13:21:05] | justinh: | and by 'anything' I mean did anyone have a crack at putting it into mythtv proper? |
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| [13:27:11] | Jay2k1: | silence detection? i don't know about you, but here, the audio in commercials is compressed to the max so it's extra loud |
| [13:30:45] | sphery_: | justinh: no, still external |
| [13:31:08] | sphery_: | and nothing more than a few "maybe I can try" type mentions of putting it in |
| [13:31:40] | Jay2k1: | are there countries where there's actually silence between content and comm blocks? |
| [13:31:44] | sphery_: | but Beirdo did some work on a new commercial detection engine, that included passing/using audio, and may have finished a version for his engine (or if not was working on it) |
| [13:31:46] | justinh: | Jay2k1: nah, there are small gaps in audio continuity |
| [13:32:09] | justinh: | it really worked last time I tried it but the method was a bit of a mess |
| [13:32:15] | Jay2k1: | i see, cool |
| [13:32:22] | sphery_: | yeah, properly integrated would be much better |
| [13:32:57] | sphery_: | (and it's funny that I say that because I'm also saying that we should rip out all of MythTV's transcoding code and, instead, use external tools/scripts/... to do that) |
| [13:33:32] | sphery_: | I think that's the way to go for transcoding because there are a lot (and better) transcoders out there, but basically no other commercial-flagging tools |
| [13:33:38] | Jay2k1: | well, on shows that air with a dolby digital 5.1 track, you can easily distinguish between ads and the show because it switches to 2.0 during the block, but just a fraction of shows/movies air with surround sound |
| [13:34:00] | sphery_: | some of our commercials are AC-3/DD5.1 |
| [13:34:07] | Jay2k1: | ew :S |
| [13:34:15] | sphery_: | (even some local commercials--for the local car dealerships, etc) |
| [13:34:28] | Jay2k1: | just a matter of time until germany will have that too then i guess |
| [13:34:43] | sphery_: | but it seems they're not really surround so much as just some car dealer yelling at you from 5.1 points in the room |
| [13:35:02] | sphery_: | (this is in the US) |
| [13:35:06] | Jay2k1: | greatness |
| [13:35:26] | Jay2k1: | being yelled at from all directions |
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| [13:36:09] | sphery_: | yeah :( |
| [13:37:08] | justinh: | anyway the little gaps in the audio floor are very useful to be able to spot |
| [13:37:21] | justinh: | plus there's the added advantage that processing audio is a *load* easier |
| [13:37:42] | sphery_: | yeah, too bad Beirdo got a life and hasn't had time to work on mythtv--his commercial detection engine looked great |
| [13:37:56] | justinh: | was that the one using a GPU? |
| [13:38:42] | sphery_: | much more modern/capable/flexible than the previous one (mainly because the new was designed after the old figured out what was needed) |
| [13:38:53] | sphery_: | that was possible/optional |
| [13:39:14] | sphery_: | he actually had code to do it using OpenCL (so it worked on both nvidia and AMD) |
| [13:39:14] | ** justinh wonder what it'd take to make some people come back to the project besides asking nicely ** | |
| [13:40:10] | sphery_: | I'm hoping to get back into it when things settle down for me a bit in real life (not that I'm one you were talking about) |
| [13:41:18] | justinh: | mythtv isn't the only project plagued by 'this is how we've always done it, so this will always be how we do it'. The 'other' media centre has a lot of that too it seems. After spending some time with my dad's Pi running XBMC I've been infuriated by its controls |
| [13:41:18] | Jay2k1: | it would really be cool having some reliable method |
| [13:41:52] | sphery_: | hehe, yeah, I'm sure that's pretty common in most all software |
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| [13:42:20] | Jay2k1: | i thought logo detection was reliable but when you have channels with logos like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2FrgSp2Tw |
| [13:42:35] | sphery: | those the animated ones? |
| [13:42:40] | justinh: | logo detection worked *brilliantly* on Sky One in the UK |
| [13:42:49] | Jay2k1: | transparent and animated, yes |
| [13:43:07] | sphery: | yeah, those are annoying |
| [13:43:16] | justinh: | logos are annoying end of story |
| [13:43:19] | sphery: | and the animated advertisements, too |
| [13:43:25] | sphery: | agreed |
| [13:43:38] | justinh: | especially on channels you *paid* for |
| [13:43:45] | sphery: | I still can't believe how many people actually record stuff from mythtv then archive it forever |
| [13:43:59] | justinh: | I archive the kids' TV shows |
| [13:44:18] | Jay2k1: | i archive tv series worth rewatching |
| [13:44:24] | sphery: | with all the logos/ads/bugs/weather and news interruptions/bad commercial inserts and timing/... |
| [13:44:38] | justinh: | got a couple of scripts go through the recordings list, copy the file to a local dir, then I chop em in projectx & encode with handbrake |
| [13:44:44] | Jay2k1: | yeah it's really gotten bad in the past years |
| [13:44:44] | sphery: | if a show is worth keeping, it's worth just buying a clean/good copy to me |
| [13:45:04] | Jay2k1: | hmm, yeah you have a point there |
| [13:45:08] | sphery: | (not to mention the fact that it's technically a violation of copyright law to record and keep "indefinitely") |
| [13:45:17] | Jay2k1: | that depends on where you are |
| [13:45:23] | sphery: | I can understand it for having some random kids shows around |
| [13:45:24] | Jay2k1: | i.e. local laws |
| [13:45:29] | justinh: | show wise.. I generally only watch stuff with Charlie Brooker in it these days |
| [13:45:31] | sphery: | well, in the US it is |
| [13:45:45] | sphery: | though 99.9999999% of people you ask wouldn't know it |
| [13:45:49] | Jay2k1: | with VHS you could do the same, just that after many years the quality... went a bit down |
| [13:46:00] | justinh: | no science shows are worth watching anymore |
| [13:46:07] | sphery: | (and it is in NZ/Australia, too--just 2 places where I've seen the laws for it) |
| [13:46:17] | justinh: | against the law in the UK too AFAIK |
| [13:46:59] | sphery: | yeah, with the US cartels pushing US-like (or, often, more-stringent-than-US) laws around the world, I'd guess it is in most places |
| [13:47:01] | justinh: | quite often the stuff is repeated so much you barely even need a DVR |
| [13:47:15] | justinh: | especially with all the +1 channels. Gah |
| [13:47:36] | Jay2k1: | well i "need" it so i can watch suff when i want to (and skip ads) |
| [13:47:42] | sphery: | fair use allows for "time shifting" = recording to watch at a later time, but as it was only broadcast once, you're only allowed to watch it once |
| [13:47:50] | justinh: | if they didn't have so many +1 channels, we'd barely even need HD. Just up the bitrate of the SD channels |
| [13:47:50] | sphery: | and no librarying or archiving |
| [13:48:02] | Jay2k1: | define +1 channel |
| [13:48:11] | sphery: | not that they're actively prosecuting people for violations, but... |
| [13:48:38] | justinh: | Jay2k1: a UK specific phenomenon – a +1 channel(e.g. ITV1 +1) is ITV1 but timeshifted by one hour |
| [13:48:47] | Jay2k1: | well with HD+ and CI+ they can force people to do that, or not even being able to skip/timeshift at all |
| [13:48:55] | Jay2k1: | oh wow |
| [13:49:01] | justinh: | they can shove their CI+ where the sun doesn't shine |
| [13:49:09] | sphery: | hehe |
| [13:49:11] | Jay2k1: | this sounds useful to a certain extend |
| [13:49:20] | justinh: | Jay2k1: it isn't |
| [13:49:26] | justinh: | it's a waste of bandwidth |
| [13:49:44] | justinh: | the channels doing it all have on-demand streaming services available now |
| [13:49:51] | Jay2k1: | yeah |
| [13:49:54] | justinh: | AND there's never been so many DVRs |
| [13:49:59] | Jay2k1: | but then it's in crappy quality and not on my mythbox :( |
| [13:50:06] | sphery: | then again, a lot of content these days is a waste of bandwidth, even if transmitted only once :) |
| [13:50:11] | Jay2k1: | haha yeah |
| [13:50:26] | justinh: | I just want to watch something on my own ters. I don't really care how it's delivered |
| [13:50:27] | Jay2k1: | one could argue why build a dvr when 99% of content on tv is crap anyway |
| [13:50:32] | sphery: | agreed |
| [13:50:44] | justinh: | I might watch an hour a week sometimes |
| [13:50:45] | justinh: | if that |
| [13:50:48] | sphery: | I can't stand watching without pause/skip back--and timestretch |
| [13:50:54] | Jay2k1: | and the amount of reairings on tv is too damn high anyway |
| [13:51:03] | sphery: | I enjoy my TV 1.75x as much as most :) |
| [13:51:25] | Jay2k1: | just a couple weeks back i was looking at the recording schedule in mythweb and was surprised at how few shows there were |
| [13:51:36] | Jay2k1: | then i checked the "reairings" checkbox and boom |
| [13:51:41] | Jay2k1: | two screens |
| [13:51:44] | justinh: | my parents have got a 'YouView' box – about the best integrated IPTV/DVR solution there's even been commercially – and it SUCKS |
| [13:51:47] | sphery: | yeah, I just added 6TB to my system (previously 13.75TB total) because I haven't been watching much this year |
| [13:51:56] | justinh: | you can't even filter the EPG by show titles |
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| [13:52:07] | sphery: | hehe |
| [13:52:30] | justinh: | its UI is otherwise very well implemented though |
| [13:52:42] | Jay2k1: | :o i have 1tb and it's sufficient |
| [13:52:44] | sphery: | sounds like it was made by someone who thinks about TV in terms of "well people will want to watch channel X" rather than realizing people want to watch particular shows |
| [13:53:02] | justinh: | sphery: maybe more like "not enough RAM on the box to hold all the program titles" |
| [13:53:03] | Jay2k1: | have you guys ever heard of dreambox? |
| [13:53:14] | sphery: | ah, that may well be |
| [13:53:16] | justinh: | Jay2k1: yeah |
| [13:53:39] | justinh: | Jay2k1: it wasn't all that, but was a good stab. Certainly better than the majority |
| [13:53:40] | Jay2k1: | my ex gf bought one because when we split up she started missing my mythbox very much |
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| [13:54:00] | Jay2k1: | yeah people said if you want a ready dvr that doesn't suck, buy dreambox |
| [13:54:09] | Jay2k1: | i had to set it up for her |
| [13:54:14] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:54:15] | Jay2k1: | and help her with it several times too |
| [13:54:21] | Jay2k1: | ....let me tell you |
| [13:54:28] | Jay2k1: | mythtv effin kicks ass |
| [13:54:47] | Jay2k1: | that thing was a horror to use |
| [13:54:55] | sphery: | unfortunately, it got a lot of use by the pirate community (for stealing service), so it never got a chance to become what it should have |
| [13:54:56] | Jay2k1: | i couldn't really understand how people could recommend that |
| [13:55:07] | justinh: | sphery: too open ;-) |
| [13:55:11] | Jay2k1: | even bare VDR (which it builds up on) was better |
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| [13:55:26] | justinh: | dreambox uses VDR? eek |
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| [13:55:32] | justinh: | I guess somebody had to |
| [13:55:34] | sphery: | I didn't realize that, either |
| [13:55:34] | Jay2k1: | yes |
| [13:56:03] | justinh: | for all people talk of mythtv's competition there really isn't any |
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| [13:56:18] | justinh: | tvheadend is a box of crud by all accounts |
| [13:56:46] | justinh: | SageTV got snorked up by Google |
| [13:56:54] | sphery: | "but if they would just quit wasting resources on mythfrontend and use a /real/ UI, like XBMC..." |
| [13:57:02] | Jay2k1: | well it had one advantage, it has two smartcard slots but no CI slot and there are plugins in the plugin browser to use it so that was more or less easy (at least for me, needed to ssh and fiddle with config files anyway) |
| [13:57:12] | justinh: | I *do* really like some of XBMC's UI features |
| [13:57:14] | Jay2k1: | at our local provider we can get a good pay tv package for 10 euros |
| [13:57:23] | justinh: | it's 2014.. we need smooth scrolling |
| [13:57:31] | Jay2k1: | so she decided to buy it (sky is way too expensive) |
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| [13:57:56] | Jay2k1: | i wondered if i could use it too but you don't seem to be able to find much information about that, probably again due to people using it for piracy |
| [13:57:56] | justinh: | and I'd not hesitate getting pay TV if they'd let me pick my own lineup |
| [13:58:05] | sphery: | yeah, but we should get features we want rather than just use xbmc |
| [13:58:25] | sphery: | after all, the entire idea behind mythtv is a fully-integrated system |
| [13:58:42] | sphery: | so we can provide consistency across all features |
| [13:58:52] | laga: | the mythical convergence box? :) |
| [13:59:11] | sphery: | (granted, the "patch here and there" over the years has kind of broken a lot of that consistency, but we're workign on it) |
| [13:59:25] | justinh: | I mean I'm not willing to pay £30 a month just to watch a couple of shows out of a bouquet of a hundred channels showing other crap I don't want |
| [13:59:39] | justinh: | and I ain't willing to pay £2.99 per episode to stream it either |
| [13:59:43] | sphery: | hehe |
| [13:59:57] | justinh: | £2.99 to rent a show at sub DVD quality? |
| [14:00:10] | ** sphery just got cable TV at his house for a couple of shows ** | |
| [14:00:34] | sphery: | $130/mo because it's the only legal way to get access to ESPN |
| [14:01:03] | justinh: | I'm not even sure the viewers have ever regearded TV as channels anyway. They watch SHOWS |
| [14:01:10] | sphery: | (ok, that includes the cable internet, which was $41.95/mo, so we'll say $88/mo for cable TV) |
| [14:01:24] | justinh: | youch |
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| [14:02:18] | justinh: | and you can record that on your own terms by spending another crapton on money |
| [14:02:20] | sphery: | yeah, my fiancee needs her ESPN, but I was willing to overlook that |
| [14:02:31] | justinh: | *of money |
| [14:03:14] | sphery: | funny part is that it wasn't worth the cost/complexity of hooking the cable into MythTV |
| [14:03:16] | justinh: | fiancee? sounds like someone else has been getting a life outside of mythtv! ;-) |
| [14:04:14] | sphery: | so we have mythtv for OTA content and a cable-company DVR for her ESPN--and since we have the cable, anyway, a couple other shows like Falling Skies and The Walking Dead |
| [14:04:29] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's why I haven't gotten much of anything done on mythtv over the last couple years |
| [14:04:36] | justinh: | I used to be totally into US series |
| [14:04:38] | sphery: | wedding is in Feb, so maybe things will settle a bit more |
| [14:04:49] | justinh: | but they go on for too long. Why don't they ever quit while they're ahead? |
| [14:05:06] | sphery: | hehe |
| [14:05:43] | sphery: | yeah, Lost is a great example... S1 was great, S2-S4 were awful, S5 made the pain of S2-S4 worthwhile, and S6 was great, until the end |
| [14:05:45] | justinh: | you carry on watching em even though they suck cos you remmember the good old days & by now you've invested so much time you're willing it to get better |
| [14:06:06] | laga: | sphery: congrats |
| [14:06:13] | justinh: | and it sometimes does get better but you've got to sit through a load of crap to get there |
| [14:06:17] | sphery: | then there's Heroes... S1 was pretty OK, "but it has lots of potential", then it just got terrible |
| [14:06:22] | sphery: | laga: thx :) |
| [14:06:41] | justinh: | heheh. remember Snoreforward? |
| [14:07:19] | sphery: | FlashForward? |
| [14:07:24] | justinh: | yeha |
| [14:07:30] | sphery: | hehe, that one had promise |
| [14:07:41] | sphery: | but again, failed in execution |
| [14:07:45] | justinh: | so did The Event |
| [14:07:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [14:08:05] | sphery: | though the ads for it made it look far better than it ever was |
| [14:08:05] | justinh: | and Invasion was killed off for being a slow burner |
| [14:08:08] | Merlin83b: | Under The Dome, too. |
| [14:08:11] | sphery: | I loved Invasion |
| [14:08:18] | sphery: | Oh, Under is cancelled? |
| [14:08:26] | Merlin83b: | Nah, I typed too slow. |
| [14:08:36] | sphery: | oh, the "has potential" part :) |
| [14:08:38] | Merlin83b: | Move it up one line ;) |
| [14:08:39] | sphery: | agreed |
| [14:08:39] | Merlin83b: | Yeah |
| [14:08:52] | ** justinh makes a note of that one ** | |
| [14:08:56] | sphery: | yeah, S1 of Under didn't live up to the potential, though |
| [14:09:00] | Jay2k1: | i loved Lost... |
| [14:09:05] | justinh: | since I have so much time on my hands living back with my parents |
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| [14:09:13] | sphery: | I'm hoping (I'll never learn) for a better S2 |
| [14:09:40] | sphery: | I'll admit that I tend to be a lot more forgiving of bad sci-fi shows than any other genre |
| [14:09:41] | justinh: | if it's any good it won't get good ratings & will be cancelled |
| [14:10:14] | sphery: | if the idea is good, I'll still stick with a not-great series in the genre |
| [14:10:24] | justinh: | I heard about Game of Thrones, thought "oo", looked it up.. saw what it was about & cancelled it in my head |
| [14:10:26] | sphery: | hehe, yeah (Firefly!) |
| [14:11:04] | sphery: | Firefly = good show, not-great ratings, cancelled |
| [14:11:21] | justinh: | isn't that coming back as a streamer? |
| [14:11:28] | sphery: | ? |
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| [14:11:49] | justinh: | thought I read somewhere somebody like netflix were considering... |
| [14:11:52] | sphery: | wow |
| [14:12:08] | sphery: | http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/ . . . -return.html |
| [14:12:27] | justinh: | the problem is that US networks still only look at immediate USA ratings |
| [14:12:44] | justinh: | others have an eye on the bigger picture |
| [14:13:19] | sphery: | Curse your sudden, but inevitable betrayal, Fox! |
| [14:13:22] | justinh: | wonder when 'Episodes' is coming back. I *LOVED* that show |
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| [14:13:48] | justinh: | show about a UK sitcom going over the pond & being 'networked' |
| [14:14:05] | sphery: | yeah, they did a US version of that with Joey from friends |
| [14:14:16] | justinh: | he was in the UK version |
| [14:14:36] | sphery: | oh, you're right |
| [14:14:41] | sphery: | that was the UK version |
| [14:14:48] | sphery: | (the only version) |
| [14:15:22] | justinh: | yeah so when LeBlanc turned up I was like "uh oh.. here comes the suck".. but he was actually pretty good |
| [14:15:24] | sphery: | I thought it was another The Office type thing where they brought a UK one to US, but it seems it was a British/American one |
| [14:15:52] | justinh: | way better than The Office.. or the UK Office anyway. No Gervais in it, see :-) |
| [14:15:59] | sphery: | hehe |
| [14:16:12] | justinh: | you guys can totally keep him BTW |
| [14:16:19] | sphery: | I still have to watch The IT Crowd movie/finale thing |
| [14:16:30] | justinh: | oh man that was *brilliant* |
| [14:16:33] | sphery: | nice |
| [14:16:48] | sphery: | I was worried it might not live up to the series |
| [14:16:54] | sphery: | (especially first season of series) |
| [14:17:03] | justinh: | RPG players get a bit of a ribbing thoug |
| [14:17:04] | sphery: | but it sounds like it went over well in general |
| [14:17:18] | sphery: | hehe |
| [14:17:24] | sphery: | you ever seen The Guild? |
| [14:17:26] | justinh: | they went a bit OTT with Renholm's character |
| [14:17:41] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:18:14] | sphery: | Felicia Day web series... It's a great show that gives a bit of a ribbing to RPG players |
| [14:18:26] | sphery: | http://www.watchtheguild.com/ |
| [14:18:33] | sphery: | (flash, careful) |
| [14:18:36] | sphery: | and probably NSFW |
| [14:19:07] | sphery: | S1E1 is great |
| [14:19:52] | sphery: | oh, and short episodes, too, so not a huge time sink--even though it's on S6 |
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| [14:24:42] | justinh: | I tried watching that show about the nerds. My TV almost needed a new tube after the 1st ten minutes |
| [14:25:09] | justinh: | Bang Goes the Theory or something? |
| [14:25:11] | Merlin83b: | Mythbusters isn't all *that* bad! |
| [14:25:11] | Merlin83b: | ;) |
| [14:25:23] | Merlin83b: | Big Bang Theory, presumably. |
| [14:25:30] | justinh: | yeah that's it |
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| [14:26:03] | justinh: | the only characters who aren't punchable are the girls |
| [14:26:50] | justinh: | I miss Mythbusters |
| [14:27:30] | justinh: | probably as much as I miss Top Gear.. which means not enough that I want to record it anymore :-) |
| [14:27:35] | sphery: | hehe, I finally have access to Mythbusters (on Amazon Instant Prime), but that's a /lot/ of episodes--especially without timestretch |
| [14:28:01] | justinh: | wonder how short the shows would be without any of those 'sneak peeks' they do |
| [14:28:17] | justinh: | they even do that on heavy science docs over here now |
| [14:28:37] | sphery: | yeah, I've noticed that, too |
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| [14:29:01] | Merlin83b: | I have ~100 eps of mythbusters myth'ed and ready to go that I haven't seen. |
| [14:29:10] | Merlin83b: | Useful to fill up background while I'm doing other things. |
| [14:29:22] | sphery: | and The Discovery Channel and TLC "heavy" science shows are actually becoming a lot lighter on science and a lot heavier on the mythbusters-like showmanship |
| [14:29:52] | sphery: | and even bend the science a bit to make it more eye-grabbing |
| [14:30:05] | kmart1234: | test |
| [14:30:11] | sphery: | test passed! |
| [14:30:15] | kmart1234: | thanks =) |
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| [14:30:18] | sphery: | :) |
| [14:30:43] | sphery: | btw, we do talk about mythtv in here, sometimes, too, if that's what you're here for |
| [14:31:05] | kmart1234: | do you talk about mythtv users too? or just mythtv? |
| [14:31:22] | sphery: | sometimes we do talk about mythtv users... |
| [14:31:26] | sphery: | probably more than we should |
| [14:31:28] | kmart1234: | oooooOOOooooo |
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| [14:41:16] | Jay2k1: | where would i report a display bug in mythwelcome that occurs when using a particular theme? |
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| [14:43:16] | justinh: | email the theme author, or f it was me just cat it to /dev/null |
| [14:44:02] | Jay2k1: | i believe the theme name was ar...something |
| [14:44:12] | Jay2k1: | arclight probably |
| [14:44:41] | justinh: | so whoever maintains that now |
| [14:44:51] | Jay2k1: | yeah i'm checking |
| [14:44:54] | Jay2k1: | thanks |
| [14:45:19] | justinh: | I don't think I've ever even *seen* mythwelcome |
| [14:46:02] | Jay2k1: | well, now that mythFE has that standby mode, it's not really necessary for me anymore, but prior i would always press the power button on my remote which executes killall mythfrontend.real |
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| [14:46:29] | Jay2k1: | so that it can continue the background jobs if there are any and if not, shut down after a few minutes |
| [14:47:10] | justinh: | in 0.25 if I was to make a menu item which launches mplayer could that have a jump point I can call with a remote? |
| [14:47:58] | sphery: | Jay2k1: Angela Schmid is leading the team working on Arclight: https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Arclight |
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| [14:48:57] | Jay2k1: | actually i have been using it but now i am using "A Forest (trunk)" |
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| [14:49:37] | Jay2k1: | found its github page already |
| [14:49:56] | sphery: | that's Federico Ferri: https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/A-Forest |
| [14:49:59] | justinh: | still too many themes with too small font sies for my missus |
| [14:51:14] | justinh: | enough that I'm still motivated to do theming.. just not to release it |
| [14:51:16] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: your find orphans script fixed my deadlocking problem, thank you! |
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| [14:56:22] | Jay2k1: | thanks, filing a bug |
| [14:59:43] | justinh: | sheesh is my backend really still running ubuntu 10.04? LOL |
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| [15:00:53] | justinh: | oh well I guess this means I need to compile python 2.7 myself then |
| [15:03:49] | Jay2k1: | hmm, it now has three open issues, the first was being opened 2012-08–14 |
| [15:05:28] | Jay2k1: | i guess i'll just deal with it heh |
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| [15:09:21] | stuartm: | OK, this is an interesting one, 5 USA showed a one hour 'Film' alled "The Dark Road" last night, turns out that it's actually just one episode of a series called Longmire ... wtf? |
| [15:10:28] | justinh: | Jay2k1: what was the issue you had anyway? Might just be a 5 minute fix. Most theme issues are |
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| [15:11:37] | justinh: | gah now I need the mythtv python bindings |
| [15:11:43] | justinh: | God I HATE python |
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| [15:13:40] | Jay2k1: | justinh: https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/A-Forest/issues/3 |
| [15:14:01] | Jay2k1: | it's no big deal |
| [15:14:38] | Jay2k1: | and the screenshot will probably not be helpful to you when you haven't even seen mythwelcome yet ;) |
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| [15:19:09] | stuartm: | heh, guide data for this series is f**ked up, next episode is also known only by it's episode name, which makes me wonder what other series are affected :( |
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| [15:25:32] | Merlin83b: | stuartm: I have that set to record, and The Dark Road is apparently on next Tues 14th, 5USA, 9pm. |
| [15:25:38] | Merlin83b: | Freesat EIT. |
| [15:25:45] | stuartm: | OK, looking for films which are just an hour long, seems it's happening to "Hell on Wheels" |
| [15:26:06] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: I'm using xmltv |
| [15:26:39] | stuartm: | which apparently is in it's third series and this is the first time I've ever heard of it (never seen it in the schedules before) |
| [15:26:52] | Merlin83b: | From last night's Freesat EIT, that had title Longmire and no subtitle. |
| [15:27:47] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: from the description I think that was the pilot, guess I need to contact Nick, check that it's not a bad fixup being applied by the grabber and then I'll get in touch with Atlas |
| [15:27:48] | Merlin83b: | Ah, last night was the pilot, doesn't have a subtitle. |
| [15:28:02] | Merlin83b: | So EIT seems to have it right, fwiw. |
| [15:30:08] | stuartm: | yeah, bypassed Nick, went straight to the source and it's the RT data which is wrong |
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| [16:10:04] | justinh: | y |
| [16:10:29] | justinh: | oops. laggy terminal. wrong window |
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| [16:12:48] | justinh: | gah this python stuff is just ridiculous |
| [16:13:00] | justinh: | who thought that having a cpan-like thing would be a great idea? |
| [16:13:23] | justinh: | mind, this wouldn't be an issue if the stupid distro didn't rely so much on python 2.6 |
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| [16:16:42] | justinh: | maybe it'd be easier to fix the silence detection script so it doesn't even need 2.7 |
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| [16:26:13] | stuartm: | they are making it harder and harder to avoid having a google acount :/ Seems Atlas use Google groups to report listings data issues ... |
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| [16:30:50] | justinh: | who are Atlas? the new Radiotimes owners? |
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| [16:35:40] | stuartm: | sort of, Atlas is actually the product, owned/run by Metabroadcast who are middle men organising the guide data they receive from different sources into their database – they run the RT website now on behalf of the company who own the RadioTimes |
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| [16:36:53] | stuartm: | Atlas is a platform for marshalling data from many different sources and providing APIs to end users to use that data |
| [16:37:58] | stuartm: | Atlas, can for example combine data from the Press Association, BBC plus data from TMDB, TVDB into one feed |
| [16:38:31] | justinh: | ah cool |
| [16:39:15] | stuartm: | tv_grab_uk_rt is/will be rewritten to use their API directly instead of the intermediate CSV files of old |
| [16:39:45] | Guest4183: | I'm running Mythbuntu, 12.04, upgraded to MythTV 0.27. I download the updates from the Mythbuntu Update Manager, yet the Frontend crashes – sometimes. It does work mostly but it does crash. |
| [16:40:03] | stuartm: | although that's a bit of a minefield atm, suspect we may have problems with it |
| [16:40:15] | Guest4183: | How stable is Mythbuntu / MythTV 0.27??? |
| [16:40:44] | justinh: | define 'crash' |
| [16:41:26] | stuartm: | most stable release yet – that doesn't preclude problems for individuals with unique configurations or setups though |
| [16:41:27] | Guest4183: | From memory, the machine locks up for 30 seconds then a window opens saying something like an error was detected, report? |
| [16:41:41] | Guest4183: | I use a PVR-150. |
| [16:42:09] | justinh: | from memory is not much use to us here. get some frontend log output as a first step |
| [16:43:48] | Guest4183: | I understand. One more thing, again from memory, I see lots of consecutive messages in dmesg, something about "mei"... problem. I couldn't find much on it. |
| [16:44:02] | justinh: | the first ever ticket I tried to open I said "mythmusic crashed. I use gentoo". It was somewhat unceremoniously closed. I felt very angry it wasn't taken seriously. |
| [16:46:53] | Jay2k1: | "your product doesn't work!" – "what's wrong with it?" – "it doesn't work!" |
| [16:47:12] | justinh: | messages in dmesg shouldn't have anything to do with mythtv |
| [16:47:24] | stuartm: | "can you please give more information" – "it was a rainy Tuesday" |
| [16:48:06] | justinh: | Jay2k1: yeah I was absolutely incensed. I can't remember what ever made me see the light. Or whom |
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| [16:49:10] | justinh: | anyhoo.. clocking off time |
| [16:49:16] | stuartm: | Guest4183: pastebin.com what you can, the output from dmesg won't be directly caused by MythTV, it's kernel driver logging, but it may point at a different problem so include that too |
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| [16:51:38] | stuartm: | not every 'crash' is really a crash, which is a specific scenario where one application is prematurely aborted due to a fatal condition, and not every crash is the fault of the application – running out of disk space, corruption of system memory are just a couple of examples |
| [16:53:21] | Guest4183: | Thanks, I'll get my logs and other possibly relevant info. |
| [16:54:02] | stuartm: | with ubuntu 'crashes' reported are often X11 restarting, often due to a graphics driver bug or the application exiting gracefully because it encountered a configuration error – (reminded of one person reporting that mythfrontend crashed every time they pressed Esc) |
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| [16:58:22] | Guest4183: | One more thing, I use a PVR-150. When I watch LiveTV, the image is slightly blurry, not as sharp as watching real live TV. MythTV has the defalut setting. Is that the best I can expect from a PVR-150 or should I play with the settings to get a sharper picture? |
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| [17:02:47] | stuartm: | you could try increasing the capture resolution |
| [17:03:24] | stuartm: | 720x576 for PAL, 720x480 for NTSC |
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| [17:08:04] | Guest4183: | Will do. |
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| [17:10:47] | Guest4183: | Another question. As I have said I have a PVR-150. I also have a WinTV BT848 card. Which card is capable of producing the best, sharpest captures of composite video coming from a VCR? |
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| [17:13:50] | jams: | the pvr |
| [17:14:13] | jams: | the wintv is a framegrabber and will be a royal pain |
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| [19:08:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | I second jams' comment — the PVR-150 is far superior to a lamegrabber. ;-) |
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| [19:10:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Guest4183: Check the recording profile for that card. It's probably at a low resolution by default. |
| [19:12:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Years ago, when I ran SD off of a set of 3 Dish receivers, I used Hauppauge PVR-150 and PVR-500 cards to capture S-Video from my tuners, and my captures were close to DVD quality... |
| [19:14:34] | Guest4183: | Will do. Thanks. |
| [19:15:37] | Guest4183: | J-e-f-f-A, That's what I want. Video quality as close as possible to the original – for capture. Later I can transcode to save space. |
| [19:16:37] | stuartm: | increasing capture resolution, and possibly the bitrate by a small amount should help, it's been years since I used a PVR-150 though |
| [19:17:07] | jams: | yep those are the two things to adjust..that and playback filters |
| [19:17:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Guest4183: Yeah, I actually reduced my resolution to save disk space – as when I tried recording everything at 720x480 and a high bitrate was chewing up all my disk space back then... |
| [19:17:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Guest4183: I think I ended up using 640x480 for programs I 'cared' about, and 480x480 for stuff that my son watched. ;-) |
| [19:21:03] | stuartm: | disk space is less of an issue these days than it was back in the days when the default were less than full res |
| [19:21:08] | stuartm: | defaults |
| [19:21:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | (Dish Standard-Definition was actually 544x480 – so capturing at 640x480 was more than enough) — yeah, I haven't used SD for 3 or 4 years now... |
| [19:22:42] | stuartm: | no-one blinks any eye now when an SD digital broadcast uses 1.6GB/hr, or an HD 4GB/hr |
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| [19:23:02] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: digital? |
| [19:23:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep. My HD recordings are about 6GB/hr. |
| [19:23:53] | stuartm: | 4–5GB/hr here, broadcast H.264 |
| [19:23:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: yeah – ATSC OTA – which is MPEG2 in the US, and QAM cablecard (MPEG2 also) – plus a STB and HD-PVR for the copy-protected channels. |
| [19:25:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Even my HD-PVR recordings are ~6GB/hr since I have the bitrate maxed out... ;-) |
| [19:25:45] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: ah, I was only ever capturing from a cable STB or briefly OTA analogue, latter was 720x576, former could have been anything but was upscaled by the STB before output anyway |
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| [19:27:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I never fed Analog OTA into my system – when I first got started with MythTV (~2004), I had Satelite TV, so came out of the STB with S-Video and L+R audio into a PVR-350 (my first card!) |
| [19:28:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | I bought that 350 at a computer show as an 'impulse buy' about a year prior, intending to setup a winders media center box... but then I learned about MythTV, and the rest is history... |
| [19:30:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | My first PVR was actually from Dish network – it was called the "DishPlayer 7200", and was originally designed as a Dish Network Receiver with WebTV built-in. Dish quickly turned it into a PVR. |
| [19:32:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Once I had my Myth system up and running, it was just a tuner to Myth for the next 5–6 years. ;-) |
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| [19:42:15] | justinh: | careful of pvr150 capture filters. my 1st pvr150 captures looked 'trippy'.. due to the temporal interpolation used by default |
| [19:51:51] | justinh: | Guest4183: BTW expecting to capture *anything* sharp from a VCR is beyond optimistic |
| [19:52:44] | Guest4183: | I have to try anyhow. My Learning Curve. Thanks. |
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| [20:10:22] | justinh: | well that confirms things for me. XBMC with the PVR addon is super zippy fast on my laptop. It's woefully slow on the Pi. Dreadfully so infact. So no Pi frontend for us |
| [20:11:03] | justinh: | but it's faster on my machine than on a couple of youtube video demos I've seen. Heh |
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| [20:17:19] | sphery: | justinh: Shouldn't you send an e-mail and demand that the xbmc developers make it fast on Pi? After all, you paid good money for that Pi. |
| [20:18:46] | justinh: | nah. my backend will be the frontend in the new house when we move |
| [20:19:31] | justinh: | the PI will likely still be used, just as a networked IR transceiver again |
| [20:19:59] | stuartm: | still haven't decided what I'm actually going to do with my pi, latest thought was a half decent burglar alarm (not that I really need one ...) but although the software side would be fun, I've no real electronics experience |
| [20:20:00] | sphery: | hehe, cool |
| [20:21:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | My Pi will be a 'micro pbx' to block spammers from reaching my grandmother... |
| [20:21:41] | justinh: | maybe a Beaglebone Black would be a better frontend than a Pi |
| [20:22:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | What's the other one – CubieBoard I think? |
| [20:24:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I tried a dual-core "Android Mini-PC" with the android MythTV 'frontend' – it was slow too, and wasn't a 'real' frontend, more like a somewhat simple media player interface. |
| [20:25:10] | stuartm: | an Intel NUC would be a fantastic frontend, if it didn't cost so much (once you've added the RAM, storage etc) |
| [20:25:13] | justinh: | oh yeah the droid frontend is risible at the mo |
| [20:25:30] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: Note to self. Stuartm no burgular alarm. |
| [20:25:43] | justinh: | maybe the API could stand improvements by allowing the sending of differences |
| [20:25:56] | justinh: | not that even a 2000 item list should take long to parse on anything |
| [20:26:42] | justinh: | or maybe the fact it's all XML formatted is the hurdle |
| [20:26:49] | stuartm: | SteveGoodey: heh, with all new multi-point locking doors and windows it would take a lot of effort to break in and once inside there's not really anything worth stealing ;) |
| [20:27:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, that's been one of my problems with any "non-mythfrontend" interface – my system is fairly large, and thus takes a month of sundays to load on most apps. |
| [20:27:17] | stuartm: | justinh: API does support paging |
| [20:27:35] | justinh: | stuartm: figured as much. so why is everything trying to load it all in one gulp? |
| [20:27:45] | stuartm: | dunno |
| [20:27:54] | justinh: | and even if it is, why are they so slow about it? |
| [20:28:03] | stuartm: | we're using that paging in the WebFrontend though |
| [20:29:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Huh, I have less recordings now than I have in the past – probably because they're all HD, and taking up more room, lol! currently 1184 recordings... |
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| [20:29:56] | stuartm: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-DC53427HY-i5-34 . . . /B00G3YGANS/ |
| [20:30:21] | stuartm: | if that actually was a 5-pack of NUCs, then it would be fantastic value ... |
| [20:30:32] | justinh: | stuartm: if I really need a full spec machine to be a frontend I'll let that be the backend too |
| [20:31:16] | justinh: | stuartm: but it says it's a 5 pack... |
| [20:31:28] | stuartm: | it's the latest nucs you want to have though, built-in IR (RC5) and USB 3 |
| [20:31:39] | justinh: | not fussed about USB3 |
| [20:33:18] | stuartm: | justinh: well indeed, but since that model sells for £300 individually ... |
| [20:33:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | I like USB3 on my laptop... I bought a USB3 card reader and I can now download my 32GB card for my camcorder 10x as fast.. |
| [20:33:50] | stuartm: | £68 would be a no-brainer, even with the additional cost of a micro-ssd and ram |
| [20:34:24] | stuartm: | justinh: the built-in IR would be nice though |
| [20:35:34] | justinh: | amazon purchases are pretty well protected for buyers.. I'd almost be willing to put in a share |
| [20:40:58] | justinh: | jees is that how much those things actually are? I'd sooner buy a mac mini |
| [20:41:35] | justinh: | so Apple gear is expensive compared to a PC.. until the PC manufacturer tries to get a handle on great design |
| [20:42:38] | stuartm: | justinh: that's what everyone is saying, Mac Mini is better value |
| [20:43:05] | stuartm: | although, if you really could get one for £68, that would be a different matter |
| [20:43:19] | stuartm: | hard to see what Intel hope to achieve with that pricing |
| [20:43:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, no kidding – that model is $369.03 USD... barebones. yikes. |
| [20:43:59] | stuartm: | some of the Steam machines seem like they might actually be a better prospect |
| [20:44:35] | stuartm: | no real details on those yet though |
| [20:45:01] | stuartm: | but at least you'll know there'll be linux drivers |
| [20:45:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A googled "Stream Machine" and came up with this... ;-) http://www.streammachine.com/ ** | |
| [20:46:26] | stuartm: | wtf is going on in that picture at the bottom of the page? |
| [20:46:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, that looks more relevant (CES links) |
| [20:47:11] | stuartm: | http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/07/valve-unveils-1 . . . es-4252587/# |
| [20:47:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: Hahaha!!! Water baloon slingshot. ;-) |
| [20:48:04] | stuartm: | those initial prices are high, but I'd expect them to fall with competition and with lower end devices being launched |
| [20:48:39] | justinh: | oh BTW.. the metalwork manufacturer we use at work – you'd be able to get a fully custom PC case made of stainless steel for less than a typical 'HTPC' case |
| [20:49:35] | stuartm: | justinh: now that would be nice, I've always said that most HTPC cases are a) Ugly b) Expensive |
| [20:50:15] | stuartm: | that chinese made one I got a few years back is still the best PC related purchase I've ever made |
| [20:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: nice... |
| [20:51:22] | stuartm: | iirc £35, for a mATX case, with 7mm think brushed aluminium front panel, well designed interior and generally well made |
| [20:51:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: Yes, that's true on both counts – The one I have was 'just' $170 USD when I got it – an Antec Black Fusion 530 |
| [20:52:08] | justinh: | a 3mm thick sheet of stainless steel of a presentable grade with laser cut holes.. 1 off.. under £20 |
| [20:52:25] | stuartm: | http://mythtv.co.uk/build/large-13.png |
| [20:52:32] | stuartm: | £38 apparently |
| [20:52:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | The only major drawback is that they only designed it to hold a uATX motherboard... There would be enough room for a full-ATX board if they put the power supply in a different location. |
| [20:52:49] | justinh: | gah front panel ports |
| [20:52:59] | stuartm: | justinh: they did one without too |
| [20:53:03] | justinh: | mind, for about a tenner I could get a custom front panel made :-) |
| [20:53:49] | stuartm: | but I liked the option of plugging in SD cards straight from my camera etc |
| [20:54:10] | justinh: | our livingroom frontend has perspex in front of it |
| [20:54:25] | justinh: | stops a 3 year old meddling with it too much |
| [20:55:02] | justinh: | I can't wait til I can have a wall mounted telly with buried wiring & hidden gear |
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| [20:55:09] | stuartm: | in fact, they did one identical to that, but where all the ports were hidden behind a solid aluminium flip down cover that was cleverly disguised |
| [20:55:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Here's what my 'htpc' case looks like: http://sacredcalf.files.wordpress.com/2010/08 . . . lack-430.jpg |
| [20:55:44] | justinh: | those ports don't look too bad |
| [20:56:15] | stuartm: | justinh: if you go wall mounted, just don't stick it up too high, amazing how so many people stick it so that you get neck ache after 20 minutes |
| [20:56:24] | justinh: | hahaha oh God no |
| [20:56:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | The annoying thing about this case is that the LCD backlight stays on all the time, even when soft-off. I opened it up and added in a transistor and resistor that turns it on/off via hardware with the rest of the PC. |
| [20:56:44] | justinh: | how I've *laughed* at people near my Manchester house putting their telly above the fireplace |
| [20:58:46] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: for comparison here's the 'flat' view of mine – http://mythtv.co.uk/build/large-12.png |
| [20:59:19] | stuartm: | the rings around the buttons light up, big one is power – blue naturally (!), small is HDD – red |
| [20:59:56] | justinh: | my ideal frontend wouldn't even need to be as small as a Pi.. just the size of a modern STB would do |
| [21:00:03] | stuartm: | in fact, here's one showing off that – http://mythtv.co.uk/build/large-15.png |
| [21:00:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: Heh, similar to mine, but with no LCD. |
| [21:00:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Both the HDD and Power LEDs are Blue on my case IIRC (haven't had it powered up since I moved 3 months ago) |
| [21:01:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wait, so there's a blue power light around the power button, and a green on on the left? Or is the one on the left for the card reader? |
| [21:02:20] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, they did an LCD model (they had a great range), but I'd had an LCD in my previous case (I'd dremeled a hole for it!), and I never really saw the point of it – my media centre sits on the unit below the TV so the LCD was both too far away to be clearly read and obscured by the coffee table most of the time |
| [21:03:03] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: green light on the left is to indicate power to the card reader – not sure why they didn't do something more interesting there |
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| [21:05:47] | justinh: | oh yeah the pVR addon in XBMC doesn't have a program finder either. I use that a *lot* |
| [21:05:48] | stuartm: | anyway, have had that for a few years now |
| [21:05:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, gotcha. I made some changes to the LCD code for Myth, but never really found the time to tweak things the way I wanted to... Some of the displays I've seen around the web for WMC are incredible... I'd like to see them on Myth too. |
| [21:11:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Some of the effects for just a 20x2 display can be seen on the 'photos' link on this page: https://www.bestdirect.ca/products/185610/PRO . . . ia%20System/ |
| [21:12:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | (double-high digits, spectrograph) |
| [21:13:25] | stuartm: | back in the day, lcdproc didn't offer that stuff, maybe it does now though |
| [21:13:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | But you can still do a lot with a Character LCD module. Granted, nowhere near as flexible as a graphic display. |
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| [21:14:42] | stuartm: | http://lcdproc.org/screenshots.php3 |
| [21:15:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: LCDProc offers *some* of it, but is quite limited. I have often debated writing my own interface, as you can even do animation effects on a character LCD, or use a block of 8 characters as a graphic section... and update it several times a second with a fast interface. |
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| [21:16:41] | stuartm: | hmm, maybe I'll put the LCD in the case for this machine ... at least it wouldn't be doing nothing sat in a drawer |
| [21:16:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | I did some nifty animated effects on character LCDs with microcontrollers. |
| [21:16:56] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: I thought LCDProc was all about that stuff |
| [21:17:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: yes and no – they don't let you define the custom characters at all. |
| [21:17:23] | justinh: | custom fonts, bars & graphs & cool ting |
| [21:17:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | If they had an api call that let you change the custom characters, then you could do just about anything with it. |
| [21:18:11] | justinh: | wonder what my old work colleague used to do fancy LCD stuff on his Pi |
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| [21:18:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Probably just interfaced directly to the Pi and an LCD library, or wrote his own like I did on microcontrollers years ago. (probably a library, everything is a library nowadays) |
| [21:20:01] | justinh: | prolly something python. he likes python |
| [21:20:07] | justinh: | or java. Blech |
| [21:20:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I think the pi's 'preferred' programming language is Python. |
| [21:20:45] | justinh: | I'm out of touch with that lot now, since I quit linkedin |
| [21:20:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: Here's the 'bigclock' font I created a few years back... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/myfiles/lcd/bigclock_font/ |
| [21:21:13] | stuartm: | might get an e-ink screen for my pi |
| [21:21:50] | justinh: | toyed with the idea of making a car pc with a pi |
| [21:21:52] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: I remember that now |
| [21:22:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... I had to hack LCDPROC to create that font... the one it 'comes' with is this: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/myfiles/lcd |
| [21:22:18] | justinh: | but getting a display onto it.. meh |
| [21:22:34] | stuartm: | or a touchscreen IPS panel ... both would be cool, for different reasons |
| [21:22:37] | justinh: | wait a sec.. didn't 0.25 get radio streaming? |
| [21:23:01] | stuartm: | justinh: not sure, 0.26/0.27 definitely |
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| [21:23:35] | justinh: | my wife really likes a station we can barely get on FM in the house.. but they stream |
| [21:23:55] | justinh: | so I've been aiming to put something together to let her listen through the telly |
| [21:25:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: If LCDPROC let the 'user' re-define the custom characters 'on the fly', then a 'recording status' screen with a blinking "(R)" is possible, etc. or even displaying a [large] Speaker logo with a bar graph when changing the volume, etc. But since you can't change the custom characters, it limits what you can do. |
| [21:26:22] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: pixel addressable displays over SPi ftw ? ;-) |
| [21:27:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Heh... yeah, except I'm not aware of a spi interface on most peecees, so it'd have to have a microcontroller in-between the pc and the display... but dooable... ;-) |
| [21:28:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was actually thinking of creating a web-based mythtv status display – and if you had a small color lcd connected to a 2nd (or 3rd) video output, just put it full-screen on that display... that would be pretty bada** |
| [21:29:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Or perhaps even to a wireless device, maybe even a cheap tablet. ;-) |
| [21:30:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lots of possibilities... just takes TIME to implement... Of which I seem to have very little as I grow older... d'oh! |
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| [21:32:36] | MrShakeTouchpad: | hey guys, I'm looking to price out a new backend/frontend |
| [21:32:41] | MrShakeTouchpad: | any recomendations for hardware? |
| [21:33:05] | MrShakeTouchpad: | currently running one on an Athalon 64 X2 with 2gb of ram and a low end hdmi Nvidia card |
| [21:33:05] | justinh: | no, but I'm starting to think about being a nvidia shill |
| [21:33:22] | MrShakeTouchpad: | and I'm getting lots of video buffering errors and slow interface |
| [21:33:44] | stuartm: | MrShakeTouchpad: which graphics card exactly? |
| [21:33:58] | MrShakeTouchpad: | let me see if I can find it |
| [21:34:04] | ** MrShakeTouchpad is at work at the moment ** | |
| [21:34:16] | justinh: | maybe not using the nvidia binary drivers? |
| [21:34:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | MrShakeTouchpad: lspci -v (IIRC) |
| [21:35:12] | stuartm: | the specs of that system are fine, maybe borderline on RAM, but just enough for a dedicated system – if you're having video playback issues it's either because the graphics card doesn't support all vdpau features or because you're not using vdpau |
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| [21:37:27] | stuartm: | fwiw, I'm using an Athlon 64 x2 (2.0Ghz), 2GB RAM and low-end Nvidia on my production FE/BE without issue – plays back HD/SD just fine |
| [21:37:44] | MrShakeTouchpad: | what card? |
| [21:37:47] | stuartm: | but I'm not trying to use a high-end deinterlacer |
| [21:37:52] | stuartm: | onboard 8200 |
| [21:38:26] | stuartm: | which supports most vdpau features, but doesn't have the power to do Temporal or Advanced deinterlacing, so I'm using One-field |
| [21:38:59] | stuartm: | onboard == integrated, part of the motherboard chipset |
| [21:39:47] | MrShakeTouchpad: | its an nvidia gt216 |
| [21:40:05] | MrShakeTouchpad: | a geforce gt 220 card |
| [21:40:54] | MrShakeTouchpad: | so... my current setup would be |
| [21:40:58] | MrShakeTouchpad: | that backend/frontend box |
| [21:41:10] | MrShakeTouchpad: | 2 hdhomerun tuners, one prime, and one not, so 5 total tuners |
| [21:41:24] | MrShakeTouchpad: | hdmi out to a big tv |
| [21:41:43] | MrShakeTouchpad: | IR reciever and a harmony remote to control it all |
| [21:42:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Similar to my BE – except I have a nVidia Corporation GT215 [GeForce GT 240] card and a Phenom x6 cpu. |
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| [21:43:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've only been using it as a FE too for a couple of months since moving. I don't use VDPAU as most of my stuff is now MPEG2, so I haven't bothered... |
| [21:44:13] | MrShakeTouchpad: | well.. then the question comes back to... why the slowness in the ui, and the constant video buffer errors |
| [21:44:18] | stuartm: | that supports feature set C, should be pretty capable, but still I'd try a lesser deinterlacer to start with – also I'd not rule out disk I/O issues, those could also cause video buffering issues |
| [21:44:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | But I do have to restart X every few days as video playback gets notchy, and X is using upwards of 50%... restarting X clears it up. And since mythbackend is running as a service, no harm there really. |
| [21:44:56] | stuartm: | slowness in the UI .... hmm, well it's certainly not the hardware – any processes running in the background |
| [21:45:25] | MrShakeTouchpad: | I've got a sickbeard/sabnzb install on the box |
| [21:45:26] | stuartm: | and you are using the nvidia driver, not the open source one? |
| [21:45:28] | MrShakeTouchpad: | but its not in use at the moment |
| [21:45:33] | MrShakeTouchpad: | yea, using the nvidia driver |
| [21:45:45] | MrShakeTouchpad: | and I do have a cron job that tests my ISP's speed every hour |
| [21:45:54] | MrShakeTouchpad: | regardless... |
| [21:46:04] | MrShakeTouchpad: | lets say I had a budget for a new machine for this purpose |
| [21:46:21] | MrShakeTouchpad: | I don't want to deal with "that SHOULD be ok" or "thats on the edge, but it should work" |
| [21:46:28] | MrShakeTouchpad: | what would I be looking for? |
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| [21:47:34] | stuartm: | well, what you've got, more ram maybe but ... |
| [21:47:56] | MrShakeTouchpad: | quiet and looks are not a concern as it sits on a rack in its own room |
| [21:48:09] | MrShakeTouchpad: | RAM for that old box is stupid expensive.. haha |
| [21:48:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, 2GB seems small. |
| [21:48:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | What kind of ram is it? check http://kahlon.com for great prices – and lifetime warranty. I've never had an issue with their ram... |
| [21:48:50] | MrShakeTouchpad: | this machine is easily 8 years old |
| [21:49:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Probably DDR2 then... |
| [21:49:31] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: DDR2 is ridiculous, cheaper to buy a new motherboard that supports DDR3+ |
| [21:49:47] | MrShakeTouchpad: | yep |
| [21:50:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes, it's expensive even on kahlon... wow, surprising. |
| [21:50:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Normally their price trumps just about anything out there. |
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| [21:51:50] | stuartm: | supply and demand, low supply because fabs are turning out newer stuff and high demand because people want to keep their old hardware going a little longer |
| [21:53:14] | stuartm: | the lesson is to buy as much as your system will take when the prices are at rock bottom |
| [21:54:09] | ** stuartm says wishing he had a 16GB installed, instead of 4GB ** | |
| [21:54:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh, I've got 8GB in my system now... I can't remember if it's DDR2 or DDR3 – I think it's 3... |
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| [22:05:22] | justinh: | 4GB should be more than enough for any frontend.. until we have 4k themes |
| [22:06:17] | stuartm: | yep |
| [22:06:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh |
| [22:07:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | My system is sitting at 3,771MB ram used on the combined system right now. So about 1/2 of my physical ram. |
| [22:08:15] | stuartm: | I'll just go on record and say that upgrading the system without first establishing why it's slow might not actually work e.g. if it's a distro/software issue |
| [22:08:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Everything is either HD – most is 1080I, but some 720p and 1080P too. 2 HDHR tuners for ATA (4 tuners total, ATSC ota), a Ceton InfiniTV 4 cablecard tuner, and a HD-PVR + STB for copy-protected channels. |
| [22:10:03] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: and it's only using that much because lots of libs etc will reserve space for caches if there's ram available |
| [22:10:49] | justinh: | jees why does this python silence detection script even *need* argdict? just argument parsing? |
| [22:11:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah. I've seen it get pretty high – even hit swap a little – but usually only if I did something stupid, like left a browser window open on an NX session... |
| [22:11:35] | stuartm: | 2GB is absolutely fine on my production system – this system, which doubles as both a combined fe/be and a desktop on which I'm working/compiling 'only' has 4GB and yet rarely goes into swap |
| [22:12:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Alright time to head home for the day. Gotta go catch the train home... ttyl ;-) |
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| [22:13:10] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: the thing about those caches is that they tend to be based on fixed percentages of free/total ram, and once created they are never scaled down again – so you can still go into swap on 16GB system even if the same software runs just fine at 8 or 4GB |
| [22:13:38] | MrShakeTouchpad: | stuartm I completely agree |
| [22:13:55] | MrShakeTouchpad: | but I haven't found much to point to for fault, so I'm looking at hardware next |
| [22:13:55] | stuartm: | it's not the best design, but it's easy to manage (MythTV doesn't do it btw) |
| [22:14:00] | MrShakeTouchpad: | its mythbuntu latest |
| [22:14:04] | MrShakeTouchpad: | .27 |
| [22:14:20] | MrShakeTouchpad: | very little other software installed |
| [22:15:34] | stuartm: | MrShakeTouchpad: Anything in dmesg which might indicate an disk problem? Are you using cpu frequency scaling, could it be stuck at minimum clock speed? |
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| [22:15:52] | MrShakeTouchpad: | not sure on cpu frequencey scaling |
| [22:15:59] | MrShakeTouchpad: | let me look at dmesg real quick |
| [22:16:52] | MrShakeTouchpad: | nothing jumps out at me |
| [22:17:00] | MrShakeTouchpad: | what kind of disk issues would you be looking for? |
| [22:17:12] | MrShakeTouchpad: | I've got the system split... a 750gb disk for the install |
| [22:17:17] | MrShakeTouchpad: | and a 2tb disk for storage |
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| [22:19:24] | stuartm: | well I've seen people have problems with a failing disk which ends up running at low speed, this causes I/O bottlenecks, so reading/writing to the database for example is very slow and this affects playback and frontend responsiveness |
| [22:19:44] | stuartm: | the database is on the install disk? |
| [22:20:00] | stuartm: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [22:20:03] | MrShakeTouchpad: | yea |
| [22:20:19] | stuartm: | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| [22:20:51] | stuartm: | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
| [22:21:26] | MrShakeTouchpad: | scaling governer is on demand |
| [22:21:27] | stuartm: | those should tell you about the cpu speed (actual), and what the frequency scaling is configured to do |
| [22:21:56] | stuartm: | ondemand is good, max_freq should match the CPU's max |
| [22:21:57] | MrShakeTouchpad: | max freq us 2100000 |
| [22:22:15] | stuartm: | 2.1Ghz, seems fine |
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| [22:53:57] | justinh: | ARGHHH I HATE PYTHON! |
| [22:54:02] | justinh: | and Ubuntu |
| [22:56:17] | MrShakeTouchpad: | rut roh |
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| [22:59:28] | justinh: | meh. I give up on this silence detection lark until I'm free from the shackles of *buntu |
| [23:03:19] | Kwisher: | give manjaro a try |
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| [23:04:52] | justinh: | whonow? |
| [23:05:09] | justinh: | based on arch? Erm nope. Sorry |
| [23:05:33] | justinh: | gonna be debian-ish I think. I'm too used to that flavour now |
| [23:07:01] | justinh: | oh wait are debian system functions deeply dependent on python too? |
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| [23:20:06] | t\zz: | hi everybody! i have a strange problem: I use lirc + irexec to control mythfrontend using a remote control. the problem is that the repeat rate for the button presses is very slow if I do e. g. chanUp/chanDown (much slower than what irw reports), but the repeat rate for volUp/volDown is ok, consistent with the irw output. basically all events are slow (up, down, left, right, mute, play, pause, ...) except volUp/volDown. any ideas? |
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| [23:22:14] | justinh: | you likely need to adjust the lirc config parameters, e.g. repeat & delay |
| [23:24:19] | t\zz: | well, no. lirc (irw) reports the desired repeat rate for all buttons. the problem only occurs in mythtv and does not occur for volUp/volDonw. |
| [23:25:31] | justinh: | well you see the .lircrc file mythfrontend uses... |
| [23:26:59] | t\zz: | yes and the repeat parameter is set to one (1) for volUp/volDown as well as for anything else (e. g. chanUp/chanDown). but while mythtv receives all events when pressing the vol-buttons, it does only get maybe every third event using all the other buttons (e. g. chanupdown) |
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| [23:40:46] | t\zz: | please excuse, it is solved! after restarting mythfrontend it works as expected. it seems that changes to .lircrc only apply after restarting mythfrontend (not just irexec). thanks anyway! |
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| [23:46:40] | MartinT: | anyone know where there is a full list of the "config" parameters for lirc... |
| [23:47:36] | MartinT: | on the mythmote android app, I can switch directly to the menu, or to livetv, from anywhere, I'd lke to do that from the remote |
| [23:48:16] | keith4_: | probably here? http://www.lirc.org/html/ |
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| [23:50:56] | MartinT: | it's the mythtv side... |
| [23:54:34] | MartinT: | I've got all the keys on the remote mapped, I just want to know what all the things are that I can pass to mythtv |
| [23:55:50] | MartinT: | I'm thinking that I may need to hit the network remote interface instead... |
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