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Monday, January 6th, 2014, 00:07 UTC
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[00:13:00] darkplague: i tried now, but on every stream that has this issue, on the backend logs i see: FileRingBuf(/path/to/rec/dir/file.mpg): OpenFile(): File too small (0B);
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[02:11:16] shodan45: does mythvideo keep track of what videos have been watched?
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[02:14:09] [R]: there is a watched flag
[02:16:19] wagnerrp: i believe it marks watched if you make it through high percentage of the video
[02:16:38] jm|laptop: . o O ( very high )
[02:17:31] jm|laptop: and one can of course mark as watched from the frontend
[02:17:51] shodan45: where is that in the interface? I'm not seeing it (0.27) :(
[02:18:21] wagnerrp: i believe in the 'i' menu
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[02:57:38] shodan45: yeah, not seeing it anywhere except from the mark as watched/not watched menu option
[02:57:49] shodan45: which isn't very useful :)
[02:58:21] wagnerrp: you can filter by it
[02:58:27] wagnerrp: that's about it
[02:58:39] shodan45: oh
[02:59:48] shodan45: would changing theme help? maybe some themes don't show that attribute?
[03:00:10] wagnerrp: i'm not aware if any theme shows that attribute
[03:00:20] [R]: there is one that shows it
[03:00:51] [R]: mythmediastream
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[03:02:02] shodan45: [R]: oh thanks, I'll give that a try
[03:06:26] shodan45: [R]: weird, watched videos aren't showing up any different than unwatched
[03:06:46] [R]: there is a little blue thing
[03:07:37] shodan45: [R]: where? next to the video name?
[03:08:11] [R]: its somewhere, i dunno
[03:08:14] [R]: i dont have my frontend up ight now
[03:08:29] [R]: its the same blue thing used in the watch recordings screen
[03:08:45] [R]: also i noticed sometimes the state doesnt change right away
[03:08:51] shodan45: I wonder if this is a bug with the distro I'm using (mythbuntu)
[03:09:00] [R]: no
[03:09:14] [R]: there is a littel blue or gray circle
[03:09:23] [R]: you might need to exit videos and go back to see it change
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[03:10:16] shodan45: ugh, scan for changes = frontend crash :(
[03:12:59] shodan45: and the video I had selected just disappeared... but not the file
[03:14:37] Hydr0p0nX: eh, other than audio/video sync issues and the issues building ctntad, i think i have a functional myth installation
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[03:16:02] shodan45: [R]: what "view" are you using?
[03:16:14] [R]: um, the good one
[03:16:18] shodan45: hehe
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[03:21:09] shodan45: looking at the docs for the python bindings, am I correct in thinking that they're not really for the frontend?
[03:21:34] [R]: "for the frontend"?
[03:21:45] shodan45: meaning that I can't create my own myth plugin
[03:22:12] [R]: no, you can't write plugins in python
[03:22:23] wagnerrp: that is correct. there is no python interpreter in mythfrontend
[03:23:34] shodan45: I can handle installing a python interpreter – bindings to the frontend's GUI stuff is a (much?) larger task ;)
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[03:25:38] wagnerrp: well if you could manage embedding a python interpreter in the frontend, you should have enough c++ knowledge to write a real plugin
[03:26:31] shodan45: I just want a super simple directory browser with a watched/not watched flag + video player :/
[03:27:13] wagnerrp: and here we're trying to get people to stop using the directory browser
[03:27:39] shodan45: I already have most of my video collection organized into directories, I don't need all the other metadata-based views
[03:27:48] shodan45: (which don't work for my files anyway)
[03:28:00] [R]: i wrote something like that in java when i was in colleg
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[03:31:06] shodan45: how does myth get metadata for video files? online lookups and/or embedded info in the files?
[03:31:34] wagnerrp: online, from themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com
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[03:39:07] shodan45: is there a magic wand I can use to update myth with the right metadata for my 3200+ video files?
[03:39:59] shodan45: I have a few "regular" tv shows in there, and they do have neat icons, etc.
[03:40:12] wagnerrp: in the
[03:40:19] wagnerrp: 'm' menu, there is a bulk updater
[03:45:30] shodan45: yeah... I think that didn't work :(
[03:46:20] shodan45: it asked me to pick the right show from a few options, now I just have the background image with no UI
[03:46:35] shodan45: oh, spoke too soon, here's another one
[03:46:48] wagnerrp: yeah... we really need to have that queue up those queries in a separate interface
[03:47:00] wagnerrp: right now, they just stack one on top of the next
[03:50:23] shodan45: wagnerrp: I suspected something like that was happening
[03:50:39] wagnerrp: we also terminate the scan as soon as the user leaves the video library
[03:50:49] wagnerrp: it needs to be shifted to the backend, and run completely in the background
[03:51:52] shodan45: ok, pretty sure I just found the watched/not watched icon... bug it's buggy :(
[03:52:39] shodan45: the icon only gets updated when I go to the "I" menu
[03:53:16] wagnerrp: metadata is only pulled once when you open the library, and individually when you edit a specific item
[03:53:19] shodan45: gah... I now have a ton of "movie selector" menus popping up
[03:54:03] shodan45: wagnerrp: ok, but that doesn't explain what I'm seeing – the icon doesn't change when you select a different file
[03:54:22] wagnerrp: no idea about that one
[03:54:37] shodan45: it only changes when you select a different file, then open the "I" menu
[03:54:52] shodan45: just open – not changing anything
[03:55:01] [R]: i already told you
[03:55:14] [R]: [08:08:45] [R] also i noticed sometimes the state doesnt change right away
[03:55:18] [R]: [08:09:23] [R] you might need to exit videos and go back to see it change
[03:56:06] shodan45: [R]: I did that
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[03:59:15] shodan45: wagnerrp: when I get the "movie selector" menu, it doesn't tell me what file I'm selecting metadata for... is that supposed to happen?
[04:00:14] shodan45: also, there's no "none of these" option
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[04:01:14] wagnerrp: hit esc or backspace
[04:01:41] wagnerrp: and the dialog is what is used for a single video lookup, clumsily slapped onto the bulk lookup
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[09:42:12] Angel_Of_Sorrow: hi eveyone!
[09:42:13] Angel_Of_Sorrow: :)
[09:42:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i have a query about compatible tvcapture cards?
[09:43:09] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is this the definitive source for compatible tv Cards for the linux api?
[09:43:10] Angel_Of_Sorrow: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards
[09:44:02] Jay2k1: what does the "warning" line there say?
[09:44:28] Angel_Of_Sorrow: Warning: This is an incomplete list of available devices not supported devices
[09:44:40] Jay2k1: it's probably better to look at the list linked there
[09:44:50] Jay2k1: at least in terms of completeness
[09:44:51] Angel_Of_Sorrow: so eveyhting in the list will work?
[09:45:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow: that list is incomplete so everything in the list is right?
[09:45:19] Angel_Of_Sorrow: right?
[09:45:31] Angel_Of_Sorrow: im shopping around for the right card
[09:45:41] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is this list a good place to start?
[09:45:46] Jay2k1: i think so
[09:46:25] Jay2k1: basically, as i understood it, mythtv doesn't support cards, mythtv uses the linuxtv api, so the important thing is that your future card is listed there
[09:46:28] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ??
[09:47:23] Angel_Of_Sorrow: what does that warning mean?
[09:47:52] lautriv: Angel_Of_Sorrow, the support is rather matter of the kernel, myth itself will just used /dev/dvb/* and /dev/video/*
[09:48:21] lautriv: s/used/be used
[09:48:25] Angel_Of_Sorrow: can anyone offer an accurate link for cards that are compatible with linuxtv?
[09:48:44] lautriv: kernel's changelog then.
[09:49:16] Jay2k1: the linked list is a good place to start i guess... -> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information
[09:51:59] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ty
[09:52:30] Jay2k1: that's why i wanted you to read thewarning line :P
[09:54:19] Angel_Of_Sorrow: that list is made by users
[09:54:25] Angel_Of_Sorrow: not any real authority?
[09:54:34] Merlin83b: Welcome to Linux ;)
[09:55:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i think my list is better
[09:55:51] Merlin83b: The linuxtv.org one is the one to go for. As above, MythTV doesn't do anything special. If it works under Linux, it works for MythTV.
[09:57:38] Angel_Of_Sorrow: whats the diff between dvb t? and dvb t2?
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[09:59:04] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ?
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[10:00:38] Merlin83b: T2 is newer :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T2
[10:00:59] Merlin83b: No HD on -T, some HD on -T2.
[10:01:14] Merlin83b: Are you in Australia?
[10:01:30] Angel_Of_Sorrow: can i have a basic description?
[10:01:33] Angel_Of_Sorrow: pls?
[10:01:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: yes
[10:01:40] Angel_Of_Sorrow: oz
[10:01:48] Merlin83b: Do you have digital or analogue TV?
[10:01:57] Angel_Of_Sorrow: digital
[10:02:19] Merlin83b: Does it come in from an aerial, a satellite dish, or a cable?
[10:04:50] Angel_Of_Sorrow: aerial
[10:04:54] Merlin83b: Having had a 30 second read, Australia doesn't use -T2. You need a DVB-T cart.
[10:05:03] Angel_Of_Sorrow: sweet
[10:05:07] Angel_Of_Sorrow: many thankz
[10:11:43] Angel_Of_Sorrow: cool
[10:11:50] Angel_Of_Sorrow: going to order one next week\
[10:13:43] Merlin83b: Good stuff :)
[10:14:04] Merlin83b: If it's on the linuxtv list, it'll either just work or there'll be details on what you need to do to get it to work.
[10:16:03] Angel_Of_Sorrow: if its on the mythtv list it will work in linux yeah?
[10:16:17] Angel_Of_Sorrow: with kaffiene?
[10:17:28] Merlin83b: Ignore the mythtv list :)
[10:17:36] Merlin83b: If it's on the linuxtv list, it'll work.
[10:18:03] Merlin83b: But I presume the mythtv list is a subset of the linuxtv list so I would expect so.
[10:18:38] Angel_Of_Sorrow: with the linuxtv.org list.....
[10:19:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow: this is what it states: Drivers will be included in 2.6.33 Kernel. Meanwhile can be downloaded http://kernellabs.com/hg/~mkrufky/dtv1000s The tuner works with Mythbuntu 9.10 as does remote.
[10:19:26] Angel_Of_Sorrow: however, when you go to the link it states that it's not supported
[10:19:38] Angel_Of_Sorrow: very deceptive
[10:20:17] Merlin83b: 2.6.33 is pretty old. If it was in then, it'll be working fine now. What card is that for?
[10:20:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: so mythtv would work generally?
[10:21:18] Angel_Of_Sorrow: what i pasted above relates to the card i currently have
[10:21:34] Merlin83b: If the card works in Linux, it'll work in MythTV. Again, MythTV just depends on the kernel to handle the cards, just using them through /dev/dvb
[10:21:45] Merlin83b: If your card is working for you now, it'll work in MythTV.
[10:21:55] Angel_Of_Sorrow: despite what it says in the linuxtv.org......it is NOT compatible
[10:22:44] Merlin83b: What card is it?
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[10:23:52] Angel_Of_Sorrow: sorry i dropped out
[10:23:56] Angel_Of_Sorrow: did i miss anything?
[10:24:04] Merlin83b: No probs. I asked what card it is.
[10:24:27] Angel_Of_Sorrow: its a leadtek winfast dtv1000 S
[10:26:49] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i just hope the mythtv recommendations are correct
[10:26:49] Merlin83b: Page was last updated in June 2009. 2.6.33 was released Feb 2010.
[10:26:58] Merlin83b: Sounds like it'd work to me.
[10:27:01] Angel_Of_Sorrow: what are you saying?
[10:27:06] Angel_Of_Sorrow: can i have a link
[10:27:07] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ?
[10:27:31] Angel_Of_Sorrow: please
[10:27:47] Merlin83b: A link to what? I just looked at the history on the linuxtv wiki page for that card – http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leadt . . . tion=history
[10:27:54] Merlin83b: And googled the release date of 2.6.33
[10:28:58] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i dont know what you mean..
[10:29:00] Angel_Of_Sorrow: but please can you help me out?
[10:29:15] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is there a link to something else?
[10:29:18] Merlin83b: It should just work. You already have the card – have you tried using it?
[10:29:24] Angel_Of_Sorrow: something that clearly states that it will work?
[10:29:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: im not using linux atm
[10:29:57] Angel_Of_Sorrow: when you say..it should just work....?
[10:30:11] Merlin83b: Then you probably need to give it a go. :) You saw the post that says it works in 2.6.33. Newer kernels will include it, too.
[10:30:28] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is there a link im havnt seen because i extensively searched for a way to get it to work
[10:31:29] Angel_Of_Sorrow: please look at the following: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek_WinFast_DTV1000_S
[10:31:31] Merlin83b: I don't have a link apart from the linuxtv wiki. I don't think you need to do anything to get it to work, that says it's fine on 2.6.33 or newer, and in mythbuntu 9.10, which is also a few years old.
[10:31:35] Angel_Of_Sorrow: this tells me that it wont work
[10:31:42] Merlin83b: It is also 4 years old.
[10:32:24] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is there any documentation?
[10:32:28] Angel_Of_Sorrow: new documentation?
[10:32:30] Merlin83b: I doubt it.
[10:32:39] Angel_Of_Sorrow: but you think it will work?
[10:32:40] Merlin83b: Feel free to update the wiki once you've plugged it in and seen that it just works :)
[10:32:53] Merlin83b: The page before says that it will, and is newer.
[10:32:57] Angel_Of_Sorrow: do you really think it will work?
[10:32:58] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ah
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[10:33:55] Angel_Of_Sorrow: because it says it works in mythbuntu.....is that indicitive that it will work on other os's
[10:33:55] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ?
[10:34:30] Angel_Of_Sorrow: sorry im bit of a noob
[10:34:30] Merlin83b: The important part is that it says it will work in 2.6.33. Anything with a newer kernel will therefore work. 2.6.33 is old, so anything newer than feb 2010 will be fine.
[10:34:53] Merlin83b: Best way to learn is to try. Install and try it out, don't search for docs that you don't need ;)
[10:35:28] Angel_Of_Sorrow: how can you tell the age of the site link?
[10:35:52] Merlin83b: As above...
[10:35:53] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ive had a look
[10:35:53] Merlin83b: <Merlin83b> Page was last updated in June 2009. 2.6.33 was released Feb 2010.
[10:36:13] Merlin83b: Click history at the top of the card page – last update was then.
[10:36:28] Angel_Of_Sorrow: oooow!
[10:36:34] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ya bammow!
[10:36:39] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ty so much Merlin83b
[10:36:46] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i'll let you know how i fare
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[10:36:57] Angel_Of_Sorrow: atm im waiting for OPENSUSE to be shipped to me
[10:37:06] Merlin83b: Good luck, and enjoy – I'm sure you'll find it goes nice and smoothly :)
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[10:37:14] Angel_Of_Sorrow: yay!
[10:37:18] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ty so much once agian
[10:37:23] Merlin83b: You're welcome.
[10:38:32] Angel_Of_Sorrow: on that note. i bid you all farewell
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[16:58:29] lautriv: so because of a defective DB i madup a new master which works like a charm (for now) and i installed a frontend to connect to the old master for the sake of viewing a bunch of leftover recordings. the strange part is, that new frontend insist of beeing it's own maser ( calling localhost for DB ) even i have it set correct o.O is there somewhere another place to look at ?
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[20:07:36] lautriv: is there any bug in 0.27+fixes from actual debian sid ? i have a frontend always calling localhost for master, regardless of any changes o.O
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[20:17:13] justinh: Merlin83b? Why does that nick ring a bell?
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[20:20:57] justinh: ahh.. from way back in the day. Wonder what some of the old folks are doing these days
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[21:26:59] justinh: hahaha. My El Reg post where I give Harmony remotes a roasting got 3 downvotes. I'd forgotten I posted that
[21:27:25] justinh: how dare I diss the harmony cheap ass bent tin switches!
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[21:29:01] MartinT: anyone know if there is an issue with listening to DVB radio channels in myth?
[21:29:36] justinh: there have been, historically
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[21:59:53] justinh: hmm does the 'demo' tuner type still work in 0.27 ?
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[22:00:28] MartinT: brown out... in manchester... just killed my server
[22:00:35] MartinT: bastards
[22:01:14] justinh: my server in Manchester is on a UPS
[22:01:29] justinh: and hopefully won't be in manchester for much longer :-)
[22:01:31] MartinT: my server is in my house :D
[22:01:42] justinh: so is mine. different postcode to yours I'll bet
[22:02:11] MartinT: are you saying I'm posh our you are ;)
[22:02:21] MartinT: s/our/or
[22:02:35] justinh: if my house was in a posh area it'd have sold six months ago
[22:03:42] justinh: and if I lived in a posh area I doubt I'd hate being there so much. I'd likely be too busy quoffing Kristal & attending dinner parties & crap
[22:03:54] justinh: very lahhdeee daaah
[22:05:49] MartinT: I'm worsley, so not that posh
[22:07:44] justinh: posher than I. New Moston. Not to be confused with Moston
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[22:08:49] justinh: damn. the demo recorder doesn't like symlinks
[22:09:02] MartinT: oh... my condolences
[22:09:53] justinh: well not for much longer. had a good viewing yesterday & they're talking about a 2nd view :-)
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[22:19:22] justinh: whee now I've done a thing I never thought I'd ever do. Run mythtv in a VM
[22:19:32] justinh: but it's only for testing
[22:20:23] mengoshmink: I'm thinking of adding mythtv be to a vm so I can stop screwing up my master be
[22:20:36] wagnerrp: evil... bad... unclean...
[22:24:11] justinh: I'm only doing this cos my real backend is 130 miles away
[22:24:45] wagnerrp: mengoshmink: how will a VM stop you from screwing up your master backend?
[22:25:50] mengoshmink: because I some how screwed up my existing backend so I cant transcode my recordings or do metadata look-ups anymore, so I can test in a vm and when I know what I want move it across to my master
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[22:26:24] wagnerrp: so you wouldn't be running your master in a VM, only a test backend
[22:26:30] mengoshmink: yes
[22:26:54] mengoshmink: I would run master backend on server and only a slave be in a vm
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[22:47:33] justinh: what'd be the point in running a slave backend in a VM?
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[22:48:51] MartinT: my master be is a vm...
[22:49:01] BLZbubba: hmm is there any way to diagnose this master backend deadlocking problem? I thought the override setting fixed it but obviously it didn't
[22:49:02] MartinT: on an esxi box..
[22:49:33] MartinT: slave backend is an unreliable desktop with tuners...
[22:49:59] ** wagnerrp believes people abuse VMs far more often than they're actually warranted **
[22:50:09] ** justinh agrees **
[22:50:20] MartinT: so things like music, videos, and galleries can be used when the slave, inevitably, dies
[22:50:32] ** MartinT disagrees **
[22:50:57] justinh: instead of working around it with unsuitable solutions, FIX IT :-)
[22:51:05] MartinT: nah, I agree, they are over used, but in software testing, they are invaluable tool
[22:51:46] wagnerrp: they're the quick and dirty solution for software testing, but typically not necessary
[22:52:15] wagnerrp: unless you're actually hitting hardware, or doing something likely to crash the kernel, there's generally no need for a virtual machine
[22:52:30] wagnerrp: and if you are hitting hardware, a virtual machine won't work anyway
[22:53:07] MartinT: I disagree, I work on systems that are distributed, and to be able to test the interactivity of multiple machines, in multiple isolated environments, with different versions, it's completely warranted...
[22:53:37] MartinT: bear in mind that I work on .NET...
[22:53:41] wagnerrp: use PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to provide independent environments
[22:53:50] ** MartinT prepares to defend from pitch fork attack **
[22:53:57] wagnerrp: well there's much of the problem... Windows offers no sensible means of isolation on a single system
[22:55:04] MartinT: I'm predominantly a web developer (ASP.NET, js/css/html), but we have integration with things like SSRS, SSAS, java backends, etc.
[22:55:39] wagnerrp: i have other issues with "java backends", but that's another argument
[22:56:02] MartinT: so being able to have a single machine that has separate VMs that represent how they are separate on prod... it's necessary...
[22:56:36] wagnerrp: in so far as you want to test the behavior of the network stacks of different OSs, sure
[22:56:37] MartinT: wagnerrp, don't get me started on that... there is a dark hole in hell for people who think that java is a good tool for development
[22:57:10] justinh: or.. anything. LOL
[22:57:24] MartinT: nah, I like the coffee...
[22:57:42] justinh: oh hardy har har.. this client won't work with 0.27
[22:57:48] wagnerrp: "why do you use java?" "because it's cross platform. we can use it on whatever OS we choose." "so what OS are you running currently? and what did you start out with when you chose java? do you really need cross platform?"
[22:58:23] justinh: wagnerrp: where I used to work it was all java to be x-platform but they ended up developing on three streams.. windows – linux – and Mac
[22:58:44] MartinT: hahah... our java lead is constantly bitching about the fact that their system is running on windows, when it runs better on linux
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[22:59:09] MartinT: but we have no sysadmins that could support it...
[22:59:15] justinh: it was completely awful on all 3 platforms too
[22:59:26] MartinT: so all the work comes to my team, and get re-written in .net...
[22:59:32] justinh: and when the CEO found out what the customers thought about it, brown stuff hit whirly things
[22:59:56] justinh: so now apparently they're doing native clients for each OS without java
[23:00:10] wagnerrp: our user interface is java, but the backend is all raw, statically allocated, C
[23:00:17] justinh: performance was worse than flash for video playback
[23:00:25] wagnerrp: most of it anyway
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[23:00:29] wagnerrp: nary a malloc in sight
[23:00:35] justinh: scaling & colour conversion done in software.. lech
[23:01:45] justinh: reminds me I must shop em for GPL violation at some point
[23:03:48] wagnerrp: wonderful... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /358679.html
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[23:08:19] wagnerrp: interestingly enough, that email is identical to the only other email that user has ever sent to the mailing list
[23:08:25] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /351381.html
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[23:45:27] BLZbubba: hmm could the slave backend going into hibernate mode cause this deadlocking?
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[23:46:05] BLZbubba: nope that's not it, hmm
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[23:50:02] haux: Hi everybody
[23:50:29] haux: some successfully configured lirc for motorola set top box ? http://support.bell.ca/_web/guides/TV/UserGui . . . %28en%29.pdf
[23:50:58] haux: I am trying from days now ! awful
[23:51:43] haux: I have this IR transceiver : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101007
[23:52:00] haux: Rosewill RHRC-11001
[23:53:07] haux: even with irrecord can't make it change channels. seems that it's using a non rc* protocol
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