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| [00:29:02] | [R]: | how do i try to make it download artwork for somethign that was recorded a while ago |
| [00:29:03] | [R]: | its missing |
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| [01:20:12] | moparisthebest: | why is the recording named 1021_20140101003700.mpg , and the chanid is 1021, but the starttime is 20131231193700 ? |
| [01:20:32] | [R]: | huh? |
| [01:20:39] | moparisthebest: | this has the bad side effect of this not working: mythutil --chanid 1021 --starttime 20131231193700 --gencutlist |
| [01:20:56] | moparisthebest: | while this works: mythutil --chanid 1021 --starttime 20140101003700 --gencutlist |
| [01:20:59] | moparisthebest: | in a user job |
| [01:21:05] | [R]: | whats the question? |
| [01:21:24] | nog: | timezoning |
| [01:21:25] | [R]: | ohi see the 14 and the 13 |
| [01:21:26] | [R]: | one is utc |
| [01:21:27] | [R]: | one isn't |
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| [01:22:32] | moparisthebest: | so the handling of that in mythutil and mythcommflag is broken or something? or what else do I need to do about it? |
| [01:22:40] | [R]: | what makes you think something is broken? |
| [01:22:50] | ** nog cant wait for the day that EVERYONE uses ISO 8601 with a timezone designator ** | |
| [01:23:19] | moparisthebest: | generating the cut list only works if I speficy starttime from the file name, not the actual start time |
| [01:23:36] | [R]: | the time from the file IS the "actual" start time |
| [01:24:06] | moparisthebest: | for example, I am trying to use a userjob like so: |
| [01:24:09] | moparisthebest: | mythtv-transcode-h264.sh "%DIR%/%FILE%" "%DIR%/%TITLE% – %PROGSTART%.mkv" "%CHANID%" "%STARTTIME%" |
| [01:24:10] | nog: | just make sure you use UTC in your start time |
| [01:24:35] | moparisthebest: | the args passed to it for a particular show are: |
| [01:24:38] | moparisthebest: | args: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1021_20140101003700.mpg /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/Jeopardy! – 20131231193000.mkv 1021 20131231193700 |
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| [01:24:48] | [R]: | you're using the wrong variable |
| [01:24:51] | [R]: | you need the utc one |
| [01:24:58] | nog: | which reminds me, i need to modify a script i had just written for my dad to check utc, not just do a hardcoded hour offset |
| [01:25:00] | moparisthebest: | so`mythutil --chanid "$3" --starttime "$4" --gencutlist` should work |
| [01:25:04] | moparisthebest: | but it doesn't |
| [01:25:28] | moparisthebest: | [R]: is that a different substitution than %STARTTIME% ? |
| [01:25:42] | [R]: | huh? |
| [01:26:06] | [R]: | sure looks like it |
| [01:26:15] | [R]: | starttime doesnt look like utc to me |
| [01:26:19] | moparisthebest: | mythtv replaces %STARTTIME% for user programs with the start time, in my case 20131231193700 (which is local time I guess) |
| [01:26:29] | [R]: | [06:24:48] [R] you're using the wrong variable |
| [01:26:30] | [R]: | [06:24:50] [R] you need the utc one |
| [01:26:47] | moparisthebest: | is there a setting to make mythtv use one time or the other for everything? |
| [01:26:57] | [R]: | no... you just use the correct variable to begin with |
| [01:26:58] | moparisthebest: | it's kind of crazy to use UTC for filenames and then local time in the database, no? |
| [01:27:06] | [R]: | everything should be utc |
| [01:27:07] | nog: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs |
| [01:27:12] | moparisthebest: | obviously it's not |
| [01:27:15] | [R]: | where is it not? |
| [01:27:18] | nog: | there is a UTC variable |
| [01:27:30] | moparisthebest: | args: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1021_20140101003700.mpg /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/Jeopardy! – 20131231193000.mkv 1021 20131231193700 |
| [01:27:33] | [R]: | and? |
| [01:27:36] | moparisthebest: | that is what's sent to my script |
| [01:27:37] | [R]: | what does that have to do with the database? |
| [01:27:43] | [R]: | it has to do with... |
| [01:27:48] | [R]: | [06:24:48] [R] you're using the wrong variable |
| [01:27:51] | moparisthebest: | mythtv sends it, and starttime in the database is 20131231193700 (not UTC) |
| [01:27:52] | nog: | to me, as a developer (not a mythtv dev though) everything should always be stored as UTC |
| [01:28:08] | [R]: | [06:27:37] [R] what does that have to do with the database? |
| [01:28:11] | nog: | i believe this is a case of people trying to work towards that |
| [01:28:15] | moparisthebest: | nog: I agree, but really I don't care as long as it's consistent :) |
| [01:28:22] | [R]: | it is... |
| [01:28:28] | nog: | moparisthebest: just use the UTC variable and you are good |
| [01:28:38] | nog: | its very good that the filename is stored using UTC |
| [01:28:42] | nog: | reduces timezoning issues |
| [01:28:56] | nog: | the starttime variable is something that would be used for human readable |
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| [01:38:24] | moparisthebest: | excellent, mythtv-transcode-h264.sh "%DIR%/%FILE%" "%DIR%/%TITLE% – %STARTTIMEUTC%.mkv" "%CHANID%" "%STARTTIMEUTC%" |
| [01:38:30] | moparisthebest: | that did the trick, thanks :) |
| [01:39:47] | moparisthebest: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs < that page should be updated |
| [01:39:57] | moparisthebest: | under examples it shows this: |
| [01:39:59] | moparisthebest: | /usr/bin/mythutil --gencutlist --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME% |
| [01:40:06] | [R]: | well its a wiki |
| [01:40:07] | [R]: | so fix it |
| [01:40:14] | moparisthebest: | obviously that doesn't work with 0.26, needs UTC hehe |
| [01:41:21] | nog: | anyone in here messed with roku integration? |
| [01:47:55] | justinh: | unlikely I will. I doubt any of their recent hardware will play mpeg2 |
| [01:48:12] | nog: | yea, you have to transcode to mp4... |
| [01:48:52] | moparisthebest: | nog: that's what this script is for, sort of |
| [01:49:01] | moparisthebest: | for raspberry pi running raspbmc (xbmc) |
| [01:49:16] | nog: | ya |
| [01:49:18] | justinh: | does the pvr plugin not work well? |
| [01:49:18] | moparisthebest: | i'm transcoding to h264 mkv with handbrake |
| [01:49:27] | nog: | justinh: pvr plugin? |
| [01:49:40] | justinh: | addon, not a plugin sorry |
| [01:49:44] | moparisthebest: | the little i've messed with the xbmc live tv mythtv integration it seems to work perfect |
| [01:49:44] | nog: | ?? |
| [01:50:27] | justinh: | yeah there's a mythtv frontend addon for it. not to be confused with the 'mythbox' plugin |
| [01:51:09] | nog: | in all my searching i couldnt find anything like that, have a url? |
| [01:51:17] | justinh: | not to hand |
| [01:51:49] | justinh: | plenty of howtos about it.. pity the majority seem to be on youtube though :-/ |
| [01:52:08] | justinh: | good luck with that, I'm off to bed |
| [01:52:32] | nog: | well i was looking for something for the roku and mythtv, all i could find was that mythroku channel.. that works well for recordings |
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| [02:11:54] | moparisthebest: | nog: 'Live TV' functionality is built-in to XBMC as of version 12 Frodo |
| [02:12:13] | moparisthebest: | you just have to enable it in settings, enable the mythtv plugin, and go |
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| [03:27:33] | moparisthebest: | shouldn't this create a chanid_startimeutc.mpg.tmp without commercials? |
| [03:27:36] | moparisthebest: | $INSTALLPREFIX/mythutil --chanid "$3" --starttime "$4" --gencutlist |
| [03:27:36] | moparisthebest: | $INSTALLPREFIX/mythtranscode --chanid "$3" --starttime "$4" --mpeg2 --honorcutlist |
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| [03:27:56] | moparisthebest: | because i've tried it on 3 different recordings so far, and the files are all the same length and contain commercials |
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| [04:21:13] | afpup: | happy new years to all and to all a good night |
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| [05:54:40] | moparisthebest: | mythutil --chanid 1261 --starttime 20131228220200 --gencutlist |
| [05:54:51] | moparisthebest: | shouldn't that insert records into the recordedmarkup table? |
| [05:55:10] | moparisthebest: | or did that change with 0.26 or before? |
| [05:57:16] | wagnerrp: | as always, it's advised you not do what you seem to be trying to do |
| [05:57:23] | wagnerrp: | and are you sure you got that start time correct? |
| [05:57:39] | moparisthebest: | yes it's in the database recorded table and in the filename |
| [05:58:01] | wagnerrp: | as that would be late afternoon |
| [05:58:18] | moparisthebest: | i'm just trying to figure out why commercials aren't being removed, the problem has to be in either marking them or mythtranscode, so I figured I'd start there |
| [05:58:46] | wagnerrp: | is your transcoding rule set up to apply the cut list? |
| [05:59:16] | moparisthebest: | I only have it set up to run a user job, my script |
| [06:04:47] | moparisthebest: | so *should* it be writing to that table? if not where should it be writing to? |
| [06:05:04] | wagnerrp: | it should go to recordedmarkup |
| [06:05:50] | moparisthebest: | and if that table is empty after the run? |
| [06:06:01] | moparisthebest: | Commercial Skip List copied to Cutlist |
| [06:06:01] | moparisthebest: | 2014-01–01 01:05:27.496073 N Commercial Skip List copied to Cutlist |
| [06:06:09] | wagnerrp: | then it will have been empty before the run too |
| [06:06:13] | moparisthebest: | so it looks successful |
| [06:06:14] | moparisthebest: | it is |
| [06:06:21] | wagnerrp: | it copies the commercial skip list to a cut list |
| [06:06:25] | wagnerrp: | both are stored in the same table |
| [06:06:36] | wagnerrp: | so if the table is empty before hand, there is no skip list to copy |
| [06:06:43] | moparisthebest: | 2014-01–01 01:05:27.480212 D FindDatabase() – Success! |
| [06:07:05] | moparisthebest: | how do I get it to fill that table correctly then? |
| [06:07:11] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag |
| [06:08:07] | moparisthebest: | isn't that what I'm doing? mythcommflag says it's deprecated and to use mythutil |
| [06:08:41] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag actually has to run to generate detect and flag the commercials |
| [06:08:59] | moparisthebest: | this doesn't populate the table either: `mythcommflag --chanid 1261 --starttime 20131228220200 --gencutlist` |
| [06:09:01] | wagnerrp: | only the routines to copy that skip list to a cut list have been moved to mythutil |
| [06:09:12] | wagnerrp: | no, because there is no cutlist to populate |
| [06:09:18] | wagnerrp: | because you haven't created it yet |
| [06:09:35] | wagnerrp: | just run 'mythcommflag --chanid 1261 --starttime 20131228220200' and see what happens |
| [06:09:36] | moparisthebest: | so run |
| [06:09:37] | moparisthebest: | mythcommflag --chanid 1261 --starttime 20131228220200 |
| [06:09:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:09:46] | moparisthebest: | ok, it appears to actually be doing something |
| [06:09:57] | moparisthebest: | then run the mythutil --gencutlist after that? |
| [06:10:02] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:10:12] | moparisthebest: | awesome, thanks |
| [06:10:57] | moparisthebest: | my initial impression of mythtv is that it's awesome amazing software, only with super-outdated to non-existant documentation :/ |
| [06:11:17] | buu: | There's documentation?! |
| [06:11:31] | moparisthebest: | basically no hehe |
| [06:11:38] | wagnerrp: | a lot of it is that it's designed to be used as a single unit |
| [06:11:58] | wagnerrp: | so if you intend to circumvent that and use external software, you need to know a lot more of what it is doing internally |
| [06:12:19] | moparisthebest: | and a lot of it is flat out wrong, not maliciously wrong, just, this is what worked with 0.20 10 years ago, except it doesn't actually say that |
| [06:12:29] | moparisthebest: | that's probably true also |
| [06:12:44] | wagnerrp: | there is a lot of that... documentation with no version listed |
| [06:18:09] | moparisthebest: | oh man, that commercial skipping is amazing, thanks for the help! |
| [06:18:24] | moparisthebest: | also happy new year and goodnight, i'll finish this script tommorow :D |
| [06:19:35] | Hydr0p0nX: | happy new year :) |
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| [07:11:05] | prologic: | Is libdns_sd for discovery of services within mythtv or publishing mythtv services to avahi? I can't seem to get configure to pick up the libraries (despite avahi being installed) |
| [07:11:32] | prologic: | And no, avahi on my system includes full devel/dev libraries and headers |
| [07:12:57] | [R]: | i forget, is there a config.log? |
| [07:13:14] | prologic: | There is sort of |
| [07:13:19] | wagnerrp: | i think it's .ep |
| [07:13:21] | prologic: | it says bupkus all though |
| [07:13:26] | prologic: | just the flags used for ./configure |
| [07:13:29] | prologic: | ahh |
| [07:13:32] | ** prologic checks the .ep file ** | |
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| [07:14:59] | prologic: | /tmp/mythtv_conf.PYYePYcU.c:1:20: fatal error: dns_sd.h: No such file or directory |
| [07:15:04] | prologic: | ah ha! |
| [07:15:46] | wagnerrp: | dns_sd is only used for external parts, specifically airplay |
| [07:16:05] | wagnerrp: | i believe some of the remote control applications may use it for autodetection |
| [07:19:32] | DavidBrooke: | wagnerrp: go celebrate the new! |
| [07:19:34] | prologic: | --enable-compat-libdns_sd |
| [07:19:35] | prologic: | ahh |
| [07:19:40] | prologic: | forgot to enable this for avahi |
| [07:19:42] | DavidBrooke: | new year ....that is |
| [07:20:14] | prologic: | wagnerrp, hmm so is there any point in enabling this for a combined backend/frontend? |
| [07:20:35] | prologic: | I do have avahi running on the box and have configured (by hand) several mythtv services |
| [07:22:05] | wagnerrp: | up to you |
| [07:23:58] | prologic: | I'm still unsure how mythtv uses it :) |
| [07:24:07] | wagnerrp: | internally, it does not |
| [07:24:23] | prologic: | right |
| [07:25:04] | prologic: | what uses it if not internally? and why make it part of configure? |
| [07:26:02] | wagnerrp: | things like airplay, and autodetection |
| [07:26:16] | wagnerrp: | other software uses it to interface with mythtv |
| [07:26:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use it to interface it with itself |
| [07:27:21] | prologic: | k |
| [07:27:33] | prologic: | not a lot of point me enabling it then |
| [07:27:40] | prologic: | I'm not planning on trying out airplay now |
| [07:27:47] | prologic: | after the iOS 7 failure and my switching to android |
| [07:29:06] | wagnerrp: | i believe mymote can use it for autodetection |
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| [07:35:58] | prologic: | http://codepad.org/9sZ4krza |
| [07:36:01] | prologic: | I think that should do it |
| [07:40:25] | prologic: | http://codepad.org/4ISE50wd |
| [07:40:36] | prologic: | not sure why the arch pkgbuild lists these as deps? |
| [07:40:49] | prologic: | what's qtwebkit used for? |
| [07:43:22] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser |
| [07:43:51] | prologic: | ahh |
| [07:43:58] | prologic: | yeah looks like I don't care about the other libs |
| [07:44:13] | prologic: | A/V commands |
| [07:44:23] | prologic: | mpeg-2 streaming over IEE 1394? wtf? |
| [07:44:35] | wagnerrp: | firewire capture off a cable box |
| [07:44:36] | prologic: | and X11 cinemera ext |
| [07:44:43] | prologic: | ahh |
| [07:44:46] | prologic: | cool good to know |
| [07:44:54] | wagnerrp: | how people used to record encrypted digital cable before cablecard was an option |
| [07:45:05] | prologic: | ahh yeap |
| [07:45:27] | prologic: | so I'd better get qtwebkit built then |
| [07:45:31] | prologic: | if I want mythbrowser to work :) |
| [07:45:42] | prologic: | although ./configure doesn't complain |
| [07:45:48] | prologic: | I suspect qt4 itself has this builtin? |
| [07:45:55] | prologic: | we (crux) don't separate our packages normally |
| [07:46:12] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser is really nothing but a bookmark manager |
| [07:46:16] | wagnerrp: | the browser is built into core |
| [07:46:30] | prologic: | right |
| [07:46:38] | prologic: | it's not a plugin, but part of the core? |
| [07:46:43] | prologic: | so it built successfully then it seems |
| [07:46:59] | prologic: | no compile issues here whatsoever |
| [07:51:01] | prologic: | holy crap the python bindings are pretty xtensive |
| [07:51:05] | prologic: | hmmm :) |
| [07:55:19] | prologic: | wagnerrp, since you guys seem to be shipping the plugins along with mythtv's tarball itself, should I just combine the two separate ports I had? |
| [07:55:28] | prologic: | and build/install mythtv and all plugins? |
| [07:56:17] | wagnerrp: | if you wish |
| [07:57:44] | prologic: | may as well tbh |
| [07:57:53] | prologic: | I don't see why you'd install one and not the other |
| [07:58:13] | prologic: | unless you just wanted the backend |
| [07:58:14] | prologic: | hmm |
| [08:07:59] | prologic: | qtwebkit |
| [08:08:10] | prologic: | http://codepad.org/Rh9JWwRq |
| [08:08:25] | prologic: | are these all the default/supported plugins by mythtv core? |
| [08:08:29] | prologic: | I did --enable-all |
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| [16:21:57] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone have an idea on this build error for ctntad: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/65239/38859081 ? |
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| [17:13:41] | tonsofpcs: | ok, finally getting the new house settled. I don't have wiring everywhere I want it yet, but I have it enough places to want to move my old backend PC to the basement and get a new frontend PC for the HT. Looking for something relatively small ('normal' consumer VCR sized would be fine) that will support MPEG2 (ATSC) playback btw 2Mbps SD and 19Mbps HD with AC-3 and/or PCM. Suggestions are most welcome as I browse the internet. |
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| [17:47:30] | Cubber: | I have a mythbackend setup connected to a directv STB and I am able to change the channels by running the directv.pl script manually. However when I set it up in my input connections in mythtv-setup as described here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . onfiguration the channels do not change on the directv box when using the mythtv program guide or for scheduled recordings. |
| [17:48:06] | Cubber: | any ideas how I can use the directv.pl script to be able to change the directv STB channel for recording and when I pick a channel in the mythtv program guide? |
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| [17:49:44] | [R]: | put some stuff in the script that logs the input its getting |
| [17:49:58] | Cubber: | [R] good point |
| [17:58:13] | moparisthebest: | running `mythcommflag --chanid "$3" --starttime "$4"` gets me a bunch of `2014-01–01 12:55:04.190179 E AFD: Unknown audio decoding error` |
| [17:58:19] | moparisthebest: | which I think can be ignored? |
| [17:58:31] | moparisthebest: | but then pretty often it fails with |
| [17:58:45] | moparisthebest: | 2014-01–01 12:55:04.200342 E decoding error |
| [17:58:46] | moparisthebest: | eno: Unknown error 541478725 (541478725) |
| [17:58:46] | moparisthebest: | 1 |
| [17:58:51] | [R]: | sounds like corrupt files |
| [17:59:21] | moparisthebest: | how would that happen, or how would I tell? |
| [17:59:34] | [R]: | decoding errors are how you tell... |
| [18:00:06] | moparisthebest: | it plays just fine though, the original .mpg that this is operating on |
| [18:01:38] | moparisthebest: | tonsofpcs: a raspberry pi running XBMC and a $5 mpeg2 codec will function just fine for that if you can live with that as a frontend interface, you'd have about $40 in the whole setup |
| [18:02:11] | Cubber: | [R] mythtv looks to be passing the correct arguments I get the following output from my CLI after I select a new channel from the mythtv program guide : http://pastebin.com/ZaBeWsRi |
| [18:02:15] | Cubber: | notice the segfault |
| [18:02:16] | tonsofpcs: | moparisthebest: XBMC supports the pi mpeg2 codec now? |
| [18:02:38] | moparisthebest: | I think it always has, you have to buy a license for the codec though, which stinks |
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| [18:02:56] | Cubber: | runnyint mythtv 0.27_p20131124 on gentoo. That is the lastest available in portage |
| [18:02:57] | moparisthebest: | or if you transcode everything to h264 it works fine as-is |
| [18:03:25] | moparisthebest: | live tv won't work though, I'm not sure if you can have mythtv transcode livetv on-the-fly or not, haven't got that far yet |
| [18:03:36] | [R]: | Cubber: ok... and? |
| [18:03:41] | [R]: | Cubber: how does that show anything? |
| [18:03:43] | moparisthebest: | (it'll work with the mpeg2 license) |
| [18:04:57] | Cubber: | [R] 2014-01–01 13:00:10.339515 E Player(0): JumpToProgram's OpenFile failed (card type: MPEG). |
| [18:05:06] | [R]: | Cubber: sounds like an issue with your hardware |
| [18:05:15] | Cubber: | that is the error that pops on mythfrontend |
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| [18:05:34] | Cubber: | Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
| [18:06:07] | Cubber: | It worked perfectly with cabletv, just moved and have satalite now and this issue started |
| [18:06:15] | Cubber: | I am using the svideo input |
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| [18:06:42] | [R]: | [11:05:06] [R] Cubber: sounds like an issue with your hardware |
| [18:06:52] | [R]: | svideo makes me want t ocry |
| [18:07:06] | Cubber: | should I just use the coax output instead? |
| [18:07:20] | Cubber: | directv box only has coax, svideo and RCA outs |
| [18:07:47] | Cubber: | however I have not been able to get the coax to work so I went to svideo |
| [18:07:48] | [R]: | coax makes me want to cry more |
| [18:11:40] | tonsofpcs: | moparisthebest: well, I have four pis. I can buy the codec and have one going in an hour or so... I just remember a lot of issues with using the mpeg2 codec |
| [18:13:46] | tonsofpcs: | moparisthebest: does the xmbc frontend support livetv and pausing livetv? |
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| [18:14:58] | tonsofpcs: | as for transcoding, transcoding MPEG2 to 264 for live streaming is an intensive process. You won't ever get "live" but could get it delayed just a bit... I can provide numbers and vlc commandlines if you want. |
| [18:15:52] | tonsofpcs: | (I generate 72 hours of MPEG2 video and 72 hours of transcoded 264 and a lot more hours of AC3 and Layer 2 and Layer 3 audio per day at $job) |
| [18:16:41] | tonsofpcs: | now to find where I packed the pis when I moved... |
| [18:22:02] | moparisthebest: | tonsofpcs: the vlc commandlines would be much appreciated, yes XBMC 12 has a Live TV menu built-in with a built-in mythtv plugin, I don't actually have a mpeg2 license for my rpi yet, but my PC running the same XBMC 12 watches livetv and recordings perfectly |
| [18:22:17] | moparisthebest: | a rpi should, and if you already have one with the license it'd at least be worth a shot |
| [18:26:05] | moparisthebest: | great, now EVERY mythcommflag run ends with eno: Unknown error 541478725 (541478725) :( |
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| [18:33:52] | Kwisher: | moparisthebest: i tried usin my pi for watching livetv with xbmc, it's not so good |
| [18:34:11] | Kwisher: | even with the purchased codec |
| [18:34:33] | Kwisher: | it plays all other media good but really fails with livetv |
| [18:35:24] | [R]: | thats because xbmc is garbage, and their myth integration is super garbage |
| [18:35:55] | Kwisher: | i also tried mythtv frontend |
| [18:36:51] | [R]: | on what hardware? on the pi? |
| [18:36:58] | Kwisher: | yes |
| [18:37:04] | [R]: | the pi is even more garbage than xbmc |
| [18:37:20] | Kwisher: | i disagree |
| [18:37:35] | Kwisher: | it does fine with raspbmc |
| [18:37:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:37:49] | [R]: | if you say so |
| [18:42:49] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: so MPEG2 'live' it fails but MPEG2 streamed from file over the network it doesn't? |
| [18:42:53] | wagnerrp: | Kwisher: remember, every single design decision on the RPi was done in the name of cheap, and trying to drive the price as low as they could take it |
| [18:43:07] | wagnerrp: | even compared to other ARM systems |
| [18:44:10] | clever: | the main issues i can see for porting mythtv would be slightly laggy menus, memory usage by the themes, and trouble getting the video decoder to fit into the playback framework in myth |
| [18:44:30] | clever: | some parts could be optimized by making it directly use egl or dispmanx, but that would then make things harder to maintain overall |
| [18:44:43] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [18:45:14] | clever: | ive been porting mplayer over, and so far i have it outputing 720p frames at ~50% cpu usage, and half the frames are out of order |
| [18:45:33] | clever: | omxplayer can do 1080 at ~20%, so ive got a ways to go |
| [18:46:49] | clever: | wagnerrp: one thing i did that may be of interest to mythtv |
| [18:47:16] | clever: | i made the ffmpeg libs capable of doing hw decode in a standard way, it outputs full yuv420 frames that the target app (mythtv) can accept without any changes |
| [18:47:28] | tonsofpcs: | clever: interesting. I'm not terribly concerned about a true mythtv frontend, all I care about (as a user) is that I can watch tv and watch recordings. I schedule my recordings through the webif anyway. |
| [18:47:31] | clever: | so just update the ffmpeg in myth and you instantly gain hw decode |
| [18:48:09] | clever: | tonsofpcs: yeah, it would be much easyer to make a custom app like xbmc just interface to an existing myth network |
| [18:48:30] | tonsofpcs: | really, all that is needed more than a standard DLNA player is to handle live myth feeds. |
| [18:48:49] | tonsofpcs: | alternatively, make myth hand off live channels and records-in-progress in a way that a DLNA player can handle ;) |
| [18:48:49] | clever: | thats an interesting idea, it would have multiple uses |
| [18:48:57] | tonsofpcs: | [yes, I know 'standard DLNA player' is a bit of a loaded phrase) |
| [18:49:09] | clever: | yeah, ive never seen any comercial product do it right |
| [18:49:20] | tonsofpcs: | I already do most of my viewing on a Sony network-attached player |
| [18:49:23] | clever: | the 'mediaroom' DVR my isp gave me is only compatible with an ios beam app |
| [18:49:29] | tonsofpcs: | I just need to wait for it to finish recording... |
| [18:49:33] | clever: | and even then, the codec support is useless |
| [18:49:40] | clever: | nothing i record on the ios device can be beamed over |
| [18:49:49] | tonsofpcs: | bubbleupnp is a nice control implementation (android) |
| [18:49:56] | wagnerrp: | HDHRs will stream live tv over DLNA |
| [18:50:10] | clever: | tonsofpcs: ive not gotten a single android app to work against media room |
| [18:50:27] | tonsofpcs: | clever: no idea what mediaroom is. |
| [18:50:36] | clever: | tonsofpcs: its the microsoft DVR software that runs on my cable box |
| [18:50:39] | clever: | under win CE |
| [18:50:42] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: newer HDHRs (and Primes that are upgraded).... but that doesn't let you pause livetv or start watching a record that started 2 minutes ago. |
| [18:50:52] | tonsofpcs: | clever: oh, good luck. Does win8 even talk to it right? |
| [18:51:05] | wagnerrp: | no, old ones with modern firmware |
| [18:51:10] | wagnerrp: | but yes, no DVR functionality |
| [18:51:11] | wagnerrp: | just live tv |
| [18:51:14] | clever: | tonsofpcs: so far, the only thing that can interface at all is other mediaroom boxes and a single ios app |
| [18:51:35] | clever: | there is an identical android app by the same company, which doesnt work |
| [18:51:48] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: I have two duals, the existing duals (other than the ones just-released or about-to-be-released) do not and will not support dlna. afaik, only the primes got the DLNA update. |
| [18:52:09] | tonsofpcs: | clever: sounds like a terrible implemetation by mediaroom. |
| [18:52:13] | clever: | tonsofpcs: yeah |
| [18:52:46] | clever: | tonsofpcs: ive done packet sniffing on it, when the 'twonky beam' app under android starts up, the DVR does a dns query on twonky.tv.fibreop.ca |
| [18:52:56] | clever: | tonsofpcs: which implies that the DVR box is hard-coded to only support that one app |
| [18:53:02] | tonsofpcs: | bubbleupnp is flexible enough to support me controlling playing audio from a usb drive plugged into a samsung bluray player on an onkyo HT receiver... yes, this is silly, since the one is plugged in the other, but this shows its flexibility |
| [18:53:16] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: i have WMP open looking at my HDHR right now |
| [18:53:20] | tonsofpcs: | bubble also let me play files from serviio on my sony player that the sony player wouldn't list.... |
| [18:54:44] | clever: | tonsofpcs: also, take a loon at the ip behind that domain |
| [18:56:09] | tonsofpcs: | clever: all I know is that Twonky is an awesome robot to control in RoboRally. :) |
| [18:56:17] | tonsofpcs: | and facepalm at that IP. |
| [18:56:32] | clever: | the specialy configured router lets that ip work inside my lan |
| [18:58:02] | clever: | so that 'universal'pnp client, only works if its behind a special router on a certain internet service |
| [18:58:12] | clever: | when connection to a single ios app |
| [18:58:34] | clever: | oh, and that router refuses to allow wifi clients to connect to wired clients, so the app wont even work with the supplied hardware |
| [19:03:08] | tonsofpcs: | well you could build a backwards NAT and a tunnel ;) |
| [19:03:11] | tonsofpcs: | but you know that. |
| [19:03:32] | clever: | you also cant connect to forwarded ports on the public ip |
| [19:03:42] | clever: | so that traffic must bounce off a server on the web |
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| [19:10:16] | tonsofpcs: | right |
| [19:10:40] | tonsofpcs: | anyway, trying to build an openelec sd card now... apparently if I want to build it with windows I need a USB drive but with linux I don't... |
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| [20:17:14] | Kwisher: | anyone know of a good signal booster for my antenna other than what i can find at local stores? |
| [20:17:45] | [R]: | you mean like one from the black market? |
| [20:18:21] | tonsofpcs: | I hear that if you paint the room black and use teflon insulators on your speaker wires, it makes the errant waves get absorbed and sounds cleaner... |
| [20:18:23] | Kwisher: | sure :) |
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| [20:18:32] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: seriously though, what type of antenna? |
| [20:19:19] | Kwisher: | it's a phillips (can't remember model), huge old style uhf/vhf |
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| [20:20:41] | Kwisher: | i can only get cbs at about 73% and i don't want to move antennae from my attic |
| [20:20:42] | tonsofpcs: | looks like -<---- ? |
| [20:20:52] | tonsofpcs: | (from teh side) |
| [20:21:00] | Kwisher: | yep |
| [20:21:35] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: US? |
| [20:21:43] | Kwisher: | yes |
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| [20:22:52] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: ZIP code? |
| [20:23:49] | Kwisher: | 46901 |
| [20:24:23] | Kwisher: | i've used tvfool and aimed it at cbs towers with a compass |
| [20:24:36] | tonsofpcs: | ah, CBS is the one tht's away from all of the others.... |
| [20:24:47] | tonsofpcs: | what channels do you get reliably? |
| [20:25:01] | Kwisher: | everything except cbs |
| [20:26:09] | tonsofpcs: | which are? |
| [20:26:17] | tonsofpcs: | (call letters or channel numbers would be helpful) |
| [20:28:02] | Kwisher: | wish-dt |
| [20:28:23] | tonsofpcs: | erm... WISH is CBS... |
| [20:28:52] | Kwisher: | what are you wanting? |
| [20:28:56] | tonsofpcs: | (although WLFI is CBS also and is closer... I haven't looked at terrain) |
| [20:29:03] | tonsofpcs: | a list of stations that you receive without issue. |
| [20:29:29] | Kwisher: | pretty much all : https://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90 |
| [20:29:31] | tonsofpcs: | so I can tell you which part(s) of your antenna to fix/change to try and get it better and/or what type of amplifier you need if you do need one |
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| [20:30:43] | Kwisher: | although WLFI is not one of them |
| [20:30:51] | tonsofpcs: | also, apparently WLFI is line-of-sight... |
| [20:33:47] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: you said it's in your attic... can you move it vertically a foot or two (either direction – up or down, the whole thing) and see if that changes anything? |
| [20:34:16] | tonsofpcs: | also, while you're up there, check to make sure nothing is bent or wet, all elements are extended all the way, etc.. you might want to go to radioshack and buy a new balun too. |
| [20:34:44] | tonsofpcs: | ( http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103912) |
| [20:35:21] | Kwisher: | it is currently sitting on a box about 2ft off rafters |
| [20:35:37] | Kwisher: | i could possible move it up 1ft |
| [20:39:42] | Steve-Goodey: | Kwisher: Don't do a Rod Hull! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/336174.stm |
| [20:40:59] | Kwisher: | LOL |
| [20:41:37] | Kwisher: | tvfool used to give compass coordinates |
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| [20:43:30] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: what happens often is that reflections cause 'null' spots due to multipath interference, with TV they often are vertical pockets, so moving up OR down can help (or hurt) a great deal. |
| [20:43:42] | tonsofpcs: | "up" is not always better than "down" |
| [20:43:57] | tonsofpcs: | you also have complications here in that the two CBS stations are VHF while the rest are UHF |
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| [20:44:39] | tonsofpcs: | VHF is best picked up by the longer parts of the antenna (mostly the ----- part with the things sticking out in your antenna's case) while UHF is best picked up by the smaller parts (you probably have two little wings on the antenna that do most of this work) |
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| [20:45:26] | Kwisher: | would a different antenna help? |
| [20:45:41] | tonsofpcs: | how large is this antenna ? |
| [20:46:11] | Kwisher: | it's huge, main beam is at least 6ft |
| [20:46:19] | Kwisher: | or more |
| [20:46:38] | Kwisher: | wing span is even longer |
| [20:46:43] | tonsofpcs: | you probably can't get a better one easily (unless that one is faulty – which again, is hard to tell due to the UHF/VHF difference) |
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| [20:47:29] | tonsofpcs: | the balun is the part that often fails unknowingly. RadioShack ahs the best baluns that are easily commercially available. It's easy to replace. When you do, wrap it well in electrical tape after making sure it's tight and there's no water or condenstation getting in the cable |
| [20:48:00] | Kwisher: | i'll get a new higher quality balun |
| [20:48:01] | tonsofpcs: | a failed balun will affect one end of the band more than the other. usually they fail on the high (uhf) side first but they can fail low first. Also, some cheaper baluns are terrible in VHF. |
| [20:48:12] | tonsofpcs: | actually, even some expensive baluns are terrible in VHF |
| [20:48:14] | Kwisher: | and play around with vertical location |
| [20:48:50] | tonsofpcs: | I went to set up a brand new antenna for a radio station once and we were getting almost no signal while we could *SEE* the originating tower. Went to radioshack and bought one of theirs, the signal strength went from 1/12 bars to 11/12 bars. |
| [20:49:48] | tonsofpcs: | (FM radio is in VHF, between TV channels 6 and 7) |
| [20:49:53] | Kwisher: | ok, wonder if they are open today? i'll be in the attic anyways putting away xmas decorations |
| [20:50:10] | skd5aner: | Kwisher: I've always used antennaweb, fyi -http://www.antennaweb.org/ |
| [20:50:40] | tonsofpcs: | no idea. You can get your local store's number online and call. |
| [20:50:55] | Kwisher: | skd5aner: that's the one that i was trying to remember, thx |
| [20:51:01] | tonsofpcs: | we have a 'real' electronics shop in town here, I only go to radioshack when I need a balun or a specific radioshack-exclusive part |
| [20:51:14] | tonsofpcs: | (or if the electronics shop is closed... they close at 6, radioshack closes at 9) |
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| [20:51:43] | tonsofpcs: | Kwisher: you might also want to "double rescan" |
| [20:52:06] | tonsofpcs: | http://www.dtvanswers.com/dtv_rescanning.html |
| [20:52:18] | tonsofpcs: | some boxes will mark a channel as bad and need to be reset to find it again |
| [20:53:09] | Kwisher: | i'm using mythtv |
| [20:53:23] | Kwisher: | hdhomerun |
| [20:53:24] | tonsofpcs: | good point :-p |
| [20:53:31] | tonsofpcs: | sorry, in too many different channels talking about tv right now ;) |
| [20:53:39] | skd5aner: | tonsofpcs: actually, we used to be able to tune the audio from channel 6 on FM radio back in the day. I want to say it was on 87.7 or somthing like that |
| [20:53:54] | Kwisher: | radioshack is open :) |
| [20:54:10] | tonsofpcs: | skd5aner: yes. Google "Franken FM" to see what craziness people tried after going digital to "keep listeners" |
| [20:54:38] | tonsofpcs: | (it's actually 87.75 iirc, and different deviation, but most FM radios are either manually tuned or auto-tuned loosely enough that they'll find it) |
| [20:55:18] | wagnerrp: | i have an old radio that actually had a "TV" mode |
| [20:55:20] | [R]: | i used to be able to listen to channel 7 |
| [20:55:22] | [R]: | with my fm radio |
| [20:55:27] | [R]: | so when i was grounded on friday night |
| [20:55:32] | wagnerrp: | with the numbers of VHF stations directly on the dial |
| [20:55:32] | [R]: | i could listen to TGIF on abc |
| [20:56:18] | skd5aner: | tonsofpcs: heh :) |
| [20:56:36] | tonsofpcs: | WRGB is a special case... "special" that is;) |
| [20:57:19] | tonsofpcs: | I have a FM radio somewhere that has TV and aircraft bands labeled... |
| [20:57:37] | tonsofpcs: | (aircraft is between the high end of FM radio and TV 7) |
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| [21:00:04] | Kwisher: | off to the Shack :0) thanks for the info |
| [21:00:24] | skd5aner: | tonsofpcs: roughly 108–135MHz |
| [21:00:33] | skd5aner: | if you include navaid frequencies |
| [21:01:05] | skd5aner: | most ATC frequencies for VOXCOM is in the 120's |
| [21:01:14] | tonsofpcs: | good luck :) |
| [21:02:17] | ** tonsofpcs wonders if skd5aner is a pilot, enthusiest, or has just played way too much flightsim (as I have ;) ** | |
| [21:02:33] | skd5aner: | all the above, actually ;) |
| [21:02:43] | tonsofpcs: | heh |
| [21:02:50] | tonsofpcs: | fair enough |
| [21:03:19] | ** tonsofpcs still wants to fly out of Meigs one of these days... yes, I realize the problems this entails) ** | |
| [21:04:09] | wagnerrp: | meigs? |
| [21:04:49] | tonsofpcs: | Merrill C Meigs Field, KCGX, the old default runway for (MS) FlightSim |
| [21:04:59] | tonsofpcs: | Northerly Island, Chicago, NY |
| [21:05:03] | tonsofpcs: | err, Chicago, IL |
| [21:05:05] | ** tonsofpcs is tired ** | |
| [21:05:17] | tonsofpcs: | Mayor Daley plowed it through one night. |
| [21:06:58] | tonsofpcs: | the 'island' (attached peninsula, really) was built for the 1933 World's Fair and is home to the Adler Planetarium, just south of the Navy Pier on Lake Michigan |
| [21:07:34] | skd5aner: | Ah, Meigs... |
| [21:07:42] | tonsofpcs: | *built up for the world's fair |
| [21:08:02] | skd5aner: | I lived in Chicago at the time that Fuhrer Daley tore up the field at 2AM |
| [21:08:18] | skd5aner: | I could have personally punched him in the face for that |
| [21:08:24] | wagnerrp: | he sounds well loved |
| [21:08:25] | tonsofpcs: | s/could/should |
| [21:08:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: sarcasm?? |
| [21:08:52] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: he's only the ... fifth? Daley to hold that office... |
| [21:09:48] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://friendsofmeigs.org/ |
| [21:10:12] | skd5aner: | Meigs field was a single runway, general aviation airfield RIGHT on lake Michigan behind Soldier Field... |
| [21:10:30] | tonsofpcs: | http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-31 . . . herly-island |
| [21:10:35] | skd5aner: | It was also the default starting airport in MS Flight Simulator for something like 15 years, from v1 |
| [21:11:22] | tonsofpcs: | well, v1 wasn't a MS product (v2 wasn't on all platforms either ;) |
| [21:11:45] | tonsofpcs: | I imagine that a large portion of current aviators learned to 'fly' 'at' Meigs Field. |
| [21:11:50] | tonsofpcs: | (via MSFS) |
| [21:11:52] | skd5aner: | Mayor Daley wanted to turn it in to a concert venue and park, and he violated about a dozen federal laws by going in the middle of the night, without warning, and digging up the runway with equipment – while the staffed FAA Tower was like "uh, what are you doing?" |
| [21:12:08] | tonsofpcs: | skd5aner: Meigs was staffed? |
| [21:12:19] | skd5aner: | Claimed it was a "security risk for terrorists" to have an airport that close |
| [21:13:03] | wagnerrp: | won't someone think of the children? |
| [21:13:19] | skd5aner: | yea, it was towered |
| [21:14:24] | croccydile: | Of course he didnt go to jail did he |
| [21:14:38] | skd5aner: | There were several dozen aircraft at the field when he tore it up, so they became stranded there with no runway |
| [21:14:49] | skd5aner: | they had to take off using the taxiways and the ramp :P |
| [21:14:52] | skd5aner: | dick |
| [21:15:36] | skd5aner: | croccydile: lol... only Governers and Senators from IL go to jail. Chicago Mayors are immune, too many ties |
| [21:15:53] | croccydile: | Thats what I thought, Chicago is perhaps the most corrupt city in the US |
| [21:16:16] | skd5aner: | As a former resident – things get done, but you don't ask how |
| [21:16:30] | skd5aner: | as a result, everyone is more than happy to turn a blind eye |
| [21:16:41] | croccydile: | Sounds like the soviet russia method |
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| [21:17:29] | skd5aner: | Rahm Emmanuel wasn't even legally allowed to run for Mayor of Chicago when he did, but they looked the other way and let him on the ballet |
| [21:17:42] | skd5aner: | he didn't meet the residency requirements, at all |
| [21:18:02] | croccydile: | Not surprising given our current president |
| [21:18:22] | skd5aner: | but, he was leading the poles and was Obama and Daley's good buddy – so, he won by a landslide and the courts explicitely looked the other way |
| [21:18:41] | croccydile: | Courts are for little people |
| [21:18:41] | skd5aner: | anyway – I don't enjoy talking politics with strangers, so I'll leave it to that |
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| [21:55:25] | moparisthebest: | <clever> tonsofpcs: ive done packet sniffing on it, when the 'twonky beam' app under android starts up, the DVR does a dns query on twonky.tv.fibreop.ca |
| [21:55:25] | moparisthebest: | <clever> tonsofpcs: which implies that the DVR box is hard-coded to only support that one app |
| [21:55:55] | moparisthebest: | well since you can control your local DNS server you can make it recieve any IP you want, even a local one, and then return what it wants |
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| [22:18:17] | clever: | moparisthebest: it does https to that domain |
| [22:18:26] | clever: | ssl certs wont allow me to mess with it |
| [22:18:52] | moparisthebest: | clever: can you proxy it and supply a self-signed cert for that domain? |
| [22:19:47] | moparisthebest: | it's possible it only accepts certain certificate authorities, but it's likely it doesn't |
| [22:22:35] | moparisthebest: | or if that fails, you could try to force it down to some known-broken sslv2 algorithm :) |
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| [22:23:10] | moparisthebest: | but at that point, since it sounds like it kind of sucks anyway, you might just be better off going with something open source |
| [22:23:12] | clever: | i i know for sure is that it runs windows CE and they cant even be bothered with proper ssl durring bootup |
| [22:23:24] | clever: | at this point, all ^^ |
| [22:23:39] | clever: | they use bare http, with custom crypto to protect the body |
| [22:24:01] | moparisthebest: | oh then most likely the first one will work, proxy it and supply your own self-signed cert |
| [22:24:01] | clever: | and yeah, the software sucks, it cant even rewind a youtube video being beamed from the ipad |
| [22:24:09] | moparisthebest: | fancy |
| [22:24:25] | clever: | and if the ipad shuts off, the streaming does as well |
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| [22:25:39] | wagnerrp: | that would make sense, wouldn't it? |
| [22:25:46] | wagnerrp: | no ipad, no stream from the ipad? |
| [22:26:00] | clever: | the android youtube app doesnt have that problem |
| [22:26:10] | clever: | its a remote control for the ps3 app, not a data source |
| [22:26:50] | clever: | and its also a limitation of ios, apps cant run in low power mode |
| [22:26:53] | wagnerrp: | that depends on the destination both being able to play the source, and having access to it |
| [22:27:04] | wagnerrp: | not necessary assumptions you can make |
| [22:27:42] | clever: | and they already went thru the bother of setting up a private https server on the 10.x.y.z lan, it wouldnt take much to rip youtube videos and transcode them |
| [22:28:00] | clever: | but instead, its a dumb ios app that rips the .src out of <video> tags and streams that |
| [22:29:13] | clever: | but its just silly that they cant even rewind a youtube video or play stuff recorded on the ipad |
| [22:29:56] | moparisthebest: | soo, if I'm using mythbuntu's 0.26 ppa and switch to the 0.27 ppa, do I need do do anything else to upgrade? |
| [22:30:01] | moparisthebest: | run database scripts or something? |
| [22:30:23] | tgm4883: | moparisthebest, apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [22:30:33] | moparisthebest: | yep besides that I mean |
| [22:30:43] | tgm4883: | I don't usually recommend anything else |
| [22:31:15] | moparisthebest: | great thanks |
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| [22:40:20] | moparisthebest: | mythcommflag now always ends in failure: |
| [22:40:22] | moparisthebest: | 2014-01–01 17:39:58.768759 E decoding error |
| [22:40:22] | moparisthebest: | eno: Unknown error 541478725 (541478725) |
| [22:40:48] | moparisthebest: | it worked once for me last night, but now never again, same thing before and after upgrade from 0.26 to 0.27, any ideas? |
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| [23:20:27] | tonsofpcs: | openelec seems to be working well so far... no video yet, of course, as I am waiting for a MPEG2 key |
| [23:22:18] | jamiem_ is now known as jm|laptop | |
| [23:25:04] | wagnerrp: | i have to go to work tomorrow... |
| [23:25:40] | wagnerrp: | i haven't been in the office in nearly two months |
| [23:25:48] | wagnerrp: | i have to wear dress shoes |
| [23:27:31] | AndyCap: | as long as you don't have to wear a dress |
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| [23:39:02] | HaSH: | Hello all. I installed mythtv 0.27 just before xmas and I just noticed that mythfilldatabase has not run since my initial run. Has something changed in regards to how mythtv grabs channel data? Should I cronjob mythfill? If so...how ofter should I run it? |
| [23:39:59] | [R]: | its a setting somewher eto autmoatically run it |
| [23:40:48] | HaSH: | Hmm. Perheps its not set to automatically run by default anymore? I will fire up mythtv-setup and look through and see. But I dont recall having to explicity tell it to automaitcally run in the past. |
| [23:43:36] | HaSH: | Ah-ha! It was not enabled by default |
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