| Monday, December 30th, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:11] | MartinT: | just wanted to make sure it's "supposed" to work, before I debug more... |
| [00:00:40] | mengoshmink: | I wouldn't edit the database, when you can manually put in the correct #... |
| [00:01:03] | mengoshmink: | I must admit my video lookups are not working at the moment and I don't know why |
| [00:01:16] | mengoshmink: | probably something I have done |
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| [00:05:48] | MartinT: | mengoshmink: just seen your request... check your frontend logs, it's currently only done on the frontend, not the backend... |
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| [00:10:18] | mengoshmink: | hmm nothing in the mythmetadatalookup log |
| [00:10:35] | mengoshmink: | I'll deal with it tomorrow |
| [00:10:37] | mengoshmink: | goodnight |
| [00:10:46] | mengoshmink: | pm me if you have advise |
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| [00:22:59] | MartinT: | mengoshmink: mythfrontend.log is where is seems to log to |
| [00:23:27] | MartinT: | and for anyone looking into the issue with "Specials"... the grabber does appear to work... |
| [00:23:59] | MartinT: | laterz y'all |
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| [01:15:54] | skd5aner: | metadata for me is very hit or miss, and it never seems to get movies that are recorded from recordings |
| [01:46:05] | skd5aner: | and, for whatever reason, it never looks up any of my new shows automatically, I always have to go in and do it manually it seems |
| [01:46:30] | [R]: | is the checkbox checked in the recording? |
| [01:46:52] | [R]: | rule* |
| [01:50:45] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [01:52:27] | skd5aner: | metadata, in general, just seems to be incredibly flaky and fragile... I wish someone with the appropriate skills would give it some appropriately needed love and attention |
| [01:52:44] | [R]: | weird, i never have problems |
| [01:52:52] | skd5aner: | It's only gotten marginal attention since Robert created it and left the project |
| [01:53:05] | skd5aner: | really??? |
| [01:53:38] | skd5aner: | I mean, I believe you... but I'm often surprised by how often it doesn't work for new rules without me going in and doing the lookup myself and pulling artwork, etc... |
| [01:53:58] | skd5aner: | that part, generally, works ok (not perfect, but good enough most of the time) |
| [01:54:08] | skd5aner: | manual intervention, tht is |
| [01:54:19] | skd5aner: | and, once it's set, it seems to work well from that point forward |
| [01:54:32] | skd5aner: | It also seems to be slightly better when parsing filenames within mythvideo |
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| [01:56:30] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how much of it is restricting to a levenshtein distance of 5 or less, rather than let the grabber/site pick the best match |
| [01:59:05] | wagnerrp: | personally, the only time i have problems with metadata is when there are two different shows of the same title, or when the SD title is widely different from that on thetvdb |
| [02:02:22] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: btw – I know you have done some work in the python script department for the grabbers, so I'm not trying to marginalize that effort :) |
| [02:02:39] | skd5aner: | after 0.27, I did see some improvement, but surprisingly, it's seemed to almost trail off |
| [02:03:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I've gotten so much in the habit of manually intervening, that I've stopped looking at what works and what doesnt... I'll try to pay more attention for new rules I set up |
| [02:03:43] | skd5aner: | I think there's some premiers coming up in Jan |
| [02:03:55] | [R]: | ffs... i still need to update to 0.27 |
| [02:03:57] | ** wagnerrp should really get the scanner finished before vacation is over ** | |
| [02:04:18] | skd5aner: | [R]: quick question, do you have a slave backend in your setup? |
| [02:04:28] | [R]: | nope |
| [02:04:37] | wagnerrp: | and figure out why my slave backend keeps crashing |
| [02:05:03] | wagnerrp: | the physical machine, not mythbackend |
| [02:05:58] | skd5aner: | [R]: I'm having some serious issues that seem to be related to my config, particularly with my slave in the picture... and I have some other minor issues with 0.27, but they don't seem to widespread |
| [02:06:37] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: got a zotac ID80 for Christmas, hoping to get it up and running this week as a new frontend |
| [02:07:08] | skd5aner: | hoping vdpau will perform well on it |
| [02:14:07] | wagnerrp: | 19V power? |
| [02:14:45] | wagnerrp: | not 12 or 18 or 20 or 24? |
| [02:15:25] | skd5aner: | haha – I saw tht on the power supply almost by accident and thought to myself... "huh, never seen that before" |
| [02:16:17] | wagnerrp: | why can't we standardize on some DC power format... and something other than USB |
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| [02:18:09] | skd5aner: | Same reason it took 20 years before people thought "hey, wouldn't it be nice if we (mostly) standardized cell phone charging connectors" |
| [02:18:39] | wagnerrp: | but we've had DC gear for a century |
| [02:18:59] | wagnerrp: | AC outlets have been (more or less) standard since what... the 30s? |
| [02:19:51] | skd5aner: | well, because Edison was too busy feuding with Tesla at the time to worry about it |
| [02:20:17] | wagnerrp: | when edison was around, everything was hardwired anyway |
| [02:20:24] | wagnerrp: | there was no such thing as a plug |
| [02:20:40] | skd5aner: | that's what she said |
| [02:21:44] | skd5aner: | and, even AC outlets aren't a universal standard... |
| [02:22:04] | skd5aner: | like everything, N/A came up with one system, and everyone else had to be just slightly different |
| [02:22:40] | skd5aner: | 220/110V, different plugs, etc... |
| [02:22:47] | skd5aner: | er... "NA" |
| [02:22:52] | skd5aner: | not N/A – haha |
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| [02:25:10] | wagnerrp: | i'd just like to be able to cleanly wire up several components to a single power supply... and i want it something better than puny 5V |
| [02:26:37] | skd5aner: | So, my electrical knowledge is a a little rusty... wouldn't it be the amperage that would make the impact for things like charging a cell rather than the voltage? |
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| [02:27:09] | wagnerrp: | as far as the gauge wiring you need... yes |
| [02:27:16] | skd5aner: | or, can 5V just not carry enough amperage? |
| [02:27:40] | wagnerrp: | there's good reason we run 110V AC, and not 5V |
| [02:27:51] | afpup: | Not to mention the updates to the USB spec to allow for >500mA per port. |
| [02:28:55] | skd5aner: | afpup: I don't think they would ever do that without changing the plug too because it'd be almost impossible to allow for backwards compatibility, unless they connected device was smart enough to say that it could handle a larger mA |
| [02:29:05] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the standard wiring coming off your power supply is only rated for 5A |
| [02:29:12] | afpup: | the can do it, and have done it. |
| [02:29:18] | wagnerrp: | and that's some pretty heavy stuff compared to anything you see in a USB cable |
| [02:29:35] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: according to the spec, USB can only provide 100mA unless negotiated higher |
| [02:29:49] | skd5aner: | gotcha, that would make sense |
| [02:29:52] | afpup: | The USB spec only allows ^^^ what wagner said |
| [02:30:11] | skd5aner: | kinda what I was suggesting, without the knowledge that it's already designed that way (of course) |
| [02:30:36] | wagnerrp: | so high power USB devices must be able to operate at some minimal capacity on 0.5W, in order to tell the host to crank up the power |
| [02:31:06] | afpup: | tell that to my tablet... it draws 1.5a without charging :-( |
| [02:31:49] | skd5aner: | the only thing I knew for sure was that USB could provide 5V, as I've actually used it several years ago to power an IR LED... but completely forgot all the other specs :) |
| [02:33:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: hey, back to an earlier subject, anything I can provide to diagnose poor metadata behavior? |
| [02:34:09] | wagnerrp: | this is for recordings, not the video library? |
| [02:34:33] | wagnerrp: | just the names of the shows |
| [02:36:24] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes, almost exclusively for recordings... it seems like several new recording rules will never automatically set an inetref and/or retrieve metadata/artwork |
| [02:37:27] | skd5aner: | Many times, I can go in to the recording rule, manually go in ot hte metadata screen, lookup the inetref, and manually retrieve artwork without issue... |
| [02:37:44] | skd5aner: | but, if I never do anytihng, artwork is never retrieved |
| [02:38:22] | wagnerrp: | same machine? |
| [02:38:27] | wagnerrp: | or separate frontend? |
| [02:39:20] | skd5aner: | MBE on one machine |
| [02:39:23] | skd5aner: | FE/SBE on another |
| [02:39:51] | wagnerrp: | i mean... is it possible there's something funky with the environment that the jobqueue is running things under? |
| [02:40:06] | skd5aner: | such as?? |
| [02:40:22] | wagnerrp: | maybe it doesn't have write permission to the home directory, so the grabbers aren't working properly |
| [02:40:33] | wagnerrp: | or $MYTHCONFDIR if defined |
| [02:41:08] | skd5aner: | it works when I do it manually, and I use storage groups for the artwork that are permissioned correctly |
| [02:41:51] | wagnerrp: | right, but when you do it manually, you're running it on the frontend independent of the jobqueue (i think) |
| [02:42:07] | skd5aner: | well, I can double check... |
| [02:43:13] | skd5aner: | home dir permissions look ok, as so the SG dirs |
| [02:43:22] | skd5aner: | (on MBE) |
| [02:43:33] | afpup: | silly question, but you have get metadata option toggled on the recording rules? and the default rule? |
| [02:44:12] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: is $MYTHCONFDIR supposed to be a system variable? |
| [02:44:17] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:44:23] | skd5aner: | what sets it? |
| [02:44:29] | wagnerrp: | whatever runs mythbackend |
| [02:44:31] | wagnerrp: | optionally |
| [02:44:43] | skd5aner: | afpup: yes, but thanks for asking :) |
| [02:44:51] | wagnerrp: | if not set, it falls back to $HOME/.mythtv |
| [02:44:57] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: echo $MYTHCONFDIR shows nothing on my system |
| [02:45:16] | wagnerrp: | could it be set by your init script? |
| [02:45:23] | wagnerrp: | what starts mythbackend on boot? |
| [02:45:30] | skd5aner: | yes, and I do use ~/.mythtv |
| [02:45:37] | skd5aner: | upstart script |
| [02:46:31] | skd5aner: | right now, the startup line is: "LANG=$LANG exec /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --logpath=/var/log/mythtv -v schedule --loglevel=debug --user mythtv --daemon" |
| [02:46:43] | skd5aner: | grabbing some scheduling stuff for gig-em right now |
| [02:48:13] | skd5aner: | but, I don't htink it's any environment issues (at least not those) |
| [02:49:14] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: For example, my wife recorded a BUNCH of Christmas movies in December... none of them ever grabbed any artwork, and I know severl new TV series in the fall never got artwork either, and I manually went and took care of it myself |
| [02:50:30] | afpup: | is you're backend logging any of the metadata lookups? I know mine creates a seperate log just for metadata |
| [02:50:51] | skd5aner: | In fact, I just set up a new show to record last Sunday (a weekly show on Sundays). And I just checked thetvdb and it has an entry for the show... |
| [02:50:55] | skd5aner: | afpup: I believe so... |
| [02:52:40] | skd5aner: | and, in the latest log, it does look up the inetref for the show... |
| [02:52:47] | skd5aner: | (the examle I listed above) |
| [02:52:53] | skd5aner: | but, no artwork exists for it |
| [02:54:09] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/qGzA9wmf |
| [02:54:26] | skd5aner: | that is the last metadata log I have, and it refers to the show I was talking about... |
| [02:54:57] | skd5aner: | it looks like it finds it just fine, and even looks like it's attempting to retrieve the artwork, but I never see any artwork? |
| [02:55:56] | skd5aner: | awesome, mbe just segfaulted |
| [02:57:44] | skd5aner: | well, maybe not the artwork, not sure what all the flags are |
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| [04:13:57] | prologic: | Upgrading from Previous version (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Upgra . . . us_versions) — Is this True even of source-built versions? I ask because I'm the only maintainer of CRUX mythtv ports :) |
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| [04:15:35] | [R]: | even of source? |
| [04:15:44] | [R]: | how do you think the ubuntu/fedora/etc pacakges are built? |
| [04:15:46] | [R]: | not from source? |
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| [04:30:27] | prologic: | [R], no need to be pretentious :) |
| [04:30:45] | [R]: | huh? |
| [04:30:56] | prologic: | I'm was merely asking whether the same upgrade processes apply – or if they are specific to Mythbuntu or Mythdora distributions |
| [04:31:36] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv project only distributes source |
| [04:31:56] | wagnerrp: | unless explicitly stated as belonging to one distro's packages or another, assume all instructions are for source installs |
| [04:32:25] | prologic: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [04:32:29] | prologic: | maybe I asked the question wrongly :) |
| [04:32:41] | prologic: | Does the mythbackend-setup tool do the database upgrade itself? |
| [04:33:01] | prologic: | clearly I've never performed an upgrade before! this will be the first from 0.24.1 to 0.27 |
| [04:34:06] | wagnerrp: | so long as your database has nothing funky in it, everything should happen automatically the first time you run mythtv-setup or the master backend |
| [04:46:48] | prologic: | ahh |
| [04:46:54] | prologic: | that was the answer I was after thank you :) |
| [04:47:06] | prologic: | I guess I'll improve that paragraph I linked to! :) |
| [04:47:37] | prologic: | guess I'm set to try a 0.24.1 -> 0.27 upgrade tonight then have a 24hr window of opporunity before the next scheduled recording :) |
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| [05:01:08] | prologic: | maybe I should make a lightweight bare-bones distro based on CRUX with mythtv :) |
| [05:01:16] | prologic: | mythcrux? :) |
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| [17:39:08] | lautriv: | what could lead to a 404 on machine/mythweb while IP/mythweb still works and neither packages nor config was changed ? |
| [17:40:47] | wagnerrp: | machine... meaning hostname? |
| [17:41:09] | wagnerrp: | perhaps the hostname does not resolve to the ip address you thought it did |
| [17:41:27] | wagnerrp: | perhaps your browser, failing to resolve the hostname, automatically added a ".com" on the end for you and tried again |
| [17:43:03] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, i'm curious because there was not any change and host/getent/dig/nslookup/whatever works. |
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| [17:54:09] | lautriv: | hm, is it normal there is one apache listening as root ? |
| [17:54:23] | wagnerrp: | if you ran apache as root |
| [17:54:36] | lautriv: | nah, from SysV init |
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| [17:55:05] | wagnerrp: | technically, it has to start out as root to grab port 80 (ports 1–1024 are privileged), but it should immediately drop to an unprivileged user |
| [17:56:04] | wagnerrp: | that's why you often see things like that initially configured as something like port 8000 or 8080 |
| [17:56:12] | wagnerrp: | anyone can listen there |
| [17:56:36] | lautriv: | i have one root and 10 www-data (debian default) . i assumed that behaviour of priviledged ports but the root one is IPv6 only o.O |
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| [19:25:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | so uh |
| [19:25:42] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm considering a move from mythbuntu to opensuse or fedora |
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| [19:26:16] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone with experience using either of them for a myth server? |
| [19:27:08] | xris: | I've used fedora for years (and am more or less the official rpm spec maintainer) |
| [19:27:22] | xris: | though currently working to get the rpmfusion specs merged with the official ones |
| [19:27:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | are their builds for myth 0.26 w/ fedora 20 ? |
| [19:27:55] | Hydr0p0nX: | I haven't upgraded to .27 yet |
| [19:28:05] | xris: | no idea. I run master and build my own. |
| [19:28:11] | xris: | check rpmfusion.net |
| [19:28:27] | xris: | fedora is likely to be more annoying than mythbuntu to upgrade between major OS versions.. assuming mythbuntu is enough like ubuntu |
| [19:28:51] | xris: | but fedora is getting better. supposed to have a clean upgrade path beween 19 and 20, so hopefully 20->21 should be even better |
| [19:29:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | ubuntu has an issue w/ hdmi audio out for my video card |
| [19:29:36] | xris: | fedora (or something in nvidia or mythtv master) has audio issues, too. sync issues |
| [19:29:37] | Hydr0p0nX: | to get audio out working, i have to run a 3.11 kernel (unsupported on LTS) and the nouveau driver |
| [19:30:09] | Hydr0p0nX: | running that combination, results in serious stability issues |
| [19:30:47] | Hydr0p0nX: | taking the kernel back down to 3.8 fixes stability, but breaks audio |
| [19:32:20] | xris: | my brain keeps reading that as 3.1.1 (as in Windows) |
| [19:32:58] | Hydr0p0nX: | understandably |
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| [19:48:11] | clever: | lautriv: i think the one process with root access is to be able to listen on new <1024 ports if you issue a reload command |
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| [19:49:39] | lautriv: | clever, we alrady talked about that but why is it shown @ IPv6 only ? |
| [19:50:30] | clever: | thats likely an issue with the apache config, or your misreading it |
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