Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, December 25th, 2013, 00:04 UTC

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MartinT:

merry christmas to all, and to all a good night...

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Hydr0p0nX:

hmmm

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Hydr0p0nX:

i think i may have found a possible solution to my hdmi audio woes

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wagnerrp:

burning it?

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wagnerrp:

with fire?

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Hydr0p0nX:

kind of

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wagnerrp:

awesome!

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Hydr0p0nX:

latest ubuntu works

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Hydr0p0nX:

straight off the live cd, just unmute one channel in alsamixer

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Hydr0p0nX:

quick review indicates 2 "major" differences 1.) open source nv driver on live cd and 2.) alsa 1.0.27.1 on live cd

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Hydr0p0nX:

scampering off to uninstall the nvidia driver now

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wagnerrp:

the nvidia graphics driver does not touch audio

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Hydr0p0nX:

I didn't think so either

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wagnerrp:

audio is all built into the ALSA HDA driver, which is in turn built into the kernel

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Hydr0p0nX:

hmmm

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Hydr0p0nX:

guess i should consider upgrading kernel from 3.8 to 3.11

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wagnerrp:

i've been using HDMI audio on my 8200 since something in the low 2.6.3x range

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Hydr0p0nX:

i haven't found anything to explain it not working, other than the speaker icon not showing up in the taskbar

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wagnerrp:

speaker icon? taskbar?

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Hydr0p0nX:

near the clock ... but it's never showed up in mythbuntu 12.x

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wagnerrp:

what is this dark magic?

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Hydr0p0nX:

sound controls icon in ubuntu

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Hydr0p0nX:

basically, opens up system -> sounds

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wagnerrp:

madness i say

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Hydr0p0nX:

indeed

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Hydr0p0nX:

haven't found the equivalent in the mythbuntu desktop yet

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wagnerrp:

open a terminal, run 'alsamixer'

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Hydr0p0nX:

i have

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wagnerrp:

that's the alternative

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Hydr0p0nX:

it's set appropriately from what i can tell

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wagnerrp:

the "speaker icon" is just a gnome specific applet

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Hydr0p0nX:

but, with the 13.04 live cd, alsamixer was set the same as in my mythbuntu install

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Hydr0p0nX:

still had to change the output in that applet also to get it working

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wagnerrp:

you don't change the output in that applet

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wagnerrp:

you change the output in mythtv

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Hydr0p0nX:

right now, i have no sound from anything

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Hydr0p0nX:

using any output device i have available

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Hydr0p0nX:

myth, terminal, vlc, firefox, and chrome

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Hydr0p0nX:

all silent regardless of output selected

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Hydr0p0nX:

oh, and mplayer2

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wagnerrp:

terminals typically do not have any sound output, besides the PC speaker

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Hydr0p0nX:

speaker-test

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wagnerrp:

vlc, firefox, chrome, mplayer, they're all on their own to configure their output

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Hydr0p0nX:

not arguing that

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wagnerrp:

you must configure in your .asound that you want to change the default output for those applications

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Hydr0p0nX:

can you paste the .asound you're using on your 8200 board ?

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qu:

Anyone know where the interlacing setting went in 0.28?

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[R]:

interlacing?

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qu:

deinterlacing...

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[R]:

the same place they've alwasy been

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[R]:

in the playback profiles

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qu:

Profiles. In one of the profiles?

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[R]:

the one you select

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qu:

I don't see deinterlacing in any of the profiles. Only when to use it.

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afpup:

Playback profiles -> EDIT -> 2nd page

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afpup:

anyone been able to get mythplugins, specifically netvision, to compile with qt5?

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wagnerrp:

afpup: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/master-linux-64bit-qt5

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afpup:

must be missing something in my qt5 toolkit then... build fails on rsseditor.cpp: netutils.h: No such file or directory

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afpup:

oh well, another day. Merry Christmas to you all, and all yours as well.

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hipitihop:

I use mythmote as remote control and I would like to use it to control Firefox (netflix specifically), has anyone done so and could they please point me at a guide to help set things up

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: mythmote connects to a control socket on mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

there is no way to get it to control firefox

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Hydr0p0nX:

yay ?!

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Hydr0p0nX:

kernel update to 3.11 fixed my hdmit audio issue

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Hydr0p0nX:

but, it broke my wireless network

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stuartm:

so neither of my PCI tuners work with my new graphics card installed :(

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stuartm:

up creek, really not sure if a new PSU would be enough, or whether it's the motherboard, either way it means spending more money to stretch a few more months out of an antique machine :/

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afpup:

Hope everyone is enjoying their Christmas

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neohaux:

no Christmas here

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justinh:

afpup: most amazing ever! :-D

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justinh:

just wondering where the heck the last 12 hours have gone

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justinh:

oh for pity's sakes. Christmas fireworks. Is that even a thing? I'm pretty sure it was never a thing before

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justinh:

sister's been blathering on about her Sonos thing, singing its praises. I didn't know they were still so expensive .

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justinh:

300 notes for a wireless audio streamer? Ouch

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stuartm:

heh, I was cringing at the idea of paying Â£60 on a new PSU, admittedly that's only because it's an unplanned expense

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justinh:

yeah but a Â£60 PSU isn't one that won't be useful in a future machine. Think of it as an investment :-)

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stuartm:

justinh: I know nothing when it comes to wireless audio streaming, I've been considering getting some BT headphones for use with my frontend, but I don't suppose that's quite in the same league as this Sonos wotsit

[20:10:31]

justinh:

unplanned expenses.. this year has been full of those. From the new job's first pay day falling 2 weeks too late to the problems I had with my car

[20:11:07]

justinh:

the one redeeming feature of the Sonos gear is it's completely zeroconf (thanks to zeroconf AFAIK) – and all zones play in sync almost to the sample

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justinh:

but all that markup just for zeroconf, when it'd only take about five minutes conf.. ? Meh

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stuartm:

cars are a continual drain on the wallet, mines had both a new exhaust and, rather unfortunately, a new battery just a couple of weeks ago

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justinh:

BT audio isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Got myself a cheap BT adapter for the car. Connect to my phone & stream internet radio to the Kenwood's line input :-)

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justinh:

if we pull the move right I could get rid of my car

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stuartm:

sounds like a less expensive option than the official BT kit for my JVC, which I've not really been tempted by (yet), I've got an 32GB sd card instead which gives me more than enough variety

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justinh:

stuartm: BTW just had a quick code grep & it seems it wasn't the finder where hidden channels were still searched. It's in proglist.cpp by the look of it. In 0.25 anyway

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justinh:

looking at it I'm not sure I ever got round to making a patch.. there'd have to be at least a left join in there to pull channel.visible

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stuartm:

I think that was fixed, but I'll double check sometime this week

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justinh:

my mysql is stronger than it was then, now

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justinh:

gah, I have a box set of Postman Pat DVDs to rip & transcode

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justinh:

btw this may just be coincidence, but since moving to EIT data, the frontend is way

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justinh_:

er.. way more responsive. I know it shouldn't be, but it seems so

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afpup:

I found the opposite, moved from EIT to schedules direct, and its been working a heck of lot better... of course the HDHR tuners aren't continually occupied now

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justinh:

yeah well in your neck of the woods you can't get by on EIT data, so I've heard ;-)

[20:39:28]

justinh:

but then you guys don't get 12 page essay program descriptions.

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justinh:

radio times used to.. not looked in great detail for a while. And spoilers too if you read em

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justinh:

not too sure what the future of the UK's 'free' xmltv feed holds. the new owners say it'll be fine but I don't believe them

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justinh:

EIT has big advantages here though... when start times change, the EIT data should be updated too

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jnylen:

Guys, you need to stop. It's christmas eve and you are sitting here discussing EIT data.

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jnylen:

This is your intervention.

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Hydr0p0nX:

um

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Hydr0p0nX:

it's not christmas eve

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jnylen:

depend on where you live

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jnylen:

mine was yesterday

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justinh:

mine was yesterday too

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justinh:

had a very full christmas day here :-D

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justinh:

bedtime for the three year old was erm.. interesting tonight. Had to persuade him he couldn't take his RC helicopter to bed with him. He said that made him sad

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afpup:

"the beating blades" in the middle of the night has just taken on a new meaning :-)

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justinh:

but the unwrapping this morning was glorious. The look on his face, and the things he said "Thankyou Santa Thankyou Santa (repeat).. " as he jumped up & down. God help us when my Dad brings him the Robosapien on Friday

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justinh:

I'm a gonna *kill* grandad

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justinh:

tell you what though, for Â£8, it's been the most robust toy helicopter I've ever seen. We got 2 to be on the safe side though

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justinh:

gonna enjoy the years of cheap christmas presents, before the 'I really want an XBOX TWELVE' or whatever is the must-have console when he's older

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afpup:

I have to laugh, I got myself one the other year;... it lasted about 30secs before I crashed it into a ceiling fan. The fan wib,

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afpup:

um wib/won

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jnylen:

justinh: I envy your son.

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jnylen:

I always wanted a RC helicopter ;_;

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justinh:

heh. if they'd have existed when I was his age I'd have loved one too

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[R]:

once someone brought one in to the office

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[R]:

it was pretty funny

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justinh:

and now thanks to our Chinese Engineering friends they've very affordable

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jnylen:

Well I always wanted a helicopter

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justinh:

[R]: in my last job a couple of guys were totally into RC toys. Out at lunchtime in a local park flying em.. we all rallied round to find them when they blew away.

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[R]:

he was flying it IN the office...

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

best place for the little ones

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justinh:

my dad's got a bigger one you can supposedly fly outside but the setting up is so tricky... plus its radio control is very erm... nasty. As in with the RC unit switched off it tried to go by itself

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justinh:

with an 18 inch rotor span it can give a bit of a whack

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justinh:

oh and another thing about switching from EIT to xmltv or vice-versa... watch yer scheduled recordings

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justinh:

now.. how can I make a recording rule to say "if program.title like '%qi%' and program.description like '%Lee Mack%' " ...

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justinh:

er... NOT like '%Lee Mack%' ...

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justinh:

helluva waste of resources.. maybe just a post-recording event to check for the name 'Lee Mack' to delete it automatically

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justinh:

there's an idea for a new feature: the CAST FILTER. Always exclude or include recordings if the cast contains certain people.

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justinh:

e.g. if you really like QI but hate Lee Mack

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justinh:

oo, and a bit off-topic.. but er.. video calling.. with anything but Skype (tripe) .. any recommendations?

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justinh:

good if it works on Linux, cos that's what my dad-inlaw's laptop willing be running in the new year

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afpup:

justinh: not really, used to run a voip module through an old asterix system, using homer (http://www.homer-conferencing.com/en/index.html) but haven't had time to maintain the asterix server, so ended up dropping it (actually the computer died, and just didn't bother replacing it) . Too much time spent on the road vs. at home.

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andyman53:

Hey all

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andyman53:

i've been trying to get mythtv working again all month

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andyman53:

"should've gotten a channel lock by now" and a bunch of x errors access denied

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afpup:

andyman53: what kind of hardware are you using? Does it work outside of myth?

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andyman53:

ceton infinitv 4, pcie . I can tune to the channel on the web interface and capture a file as stated in the myth wiki

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andyman53:

and this was working for a long time before yum updated packages

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andyman53:

also: PauseRecorder() called with no recorder

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andyman53:

afpup: what do you think it is?

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afpup:

andyman53: off the top of my head I can't think of anything... have zero xp with the ceton. Guess the logs aren't showing anything? Have you tried deleting 'all capture cards' are reconfiguring them from mythtv-setup?

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andyman53:

i have

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andyman53:

doesn't appear this is working either: Invalid SET_VERBOSE string: 'SET_VERBOSE '

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afpup:

If you've followed the wiki, I guess you've done the mplayer test, verified user permissions and so on. I'm assuming you're doing these tests as the same user as the backend will be running as. BTW: which distro

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afpup:

and which version of myth, packaged or from source?

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justinh:

andyman53: the user mythbackend runs as must be able to use the tuner. usually the tuner is owned by the 'video' group so the user mythbackend runs as (and the one you run mythtv-setup as) needs to be a member of that group

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justinh:

permission denied errors could also be due to something else using the device already

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andyman53:

everything is owned by myth:myth

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andyman53:

fedora 18

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justinh:

yeah but is 'myth' the user mythbackend wants to run as?

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andyman53:

it is

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andyman53:

mythbackend is running as the user mythtv right now

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justinh:

myth != mythtv

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justinh:

unless you meant 'everything is owned by mythtv:mythtv' earlier, then if mythbackend runs as 'mythtv' and isn't in the 'myth' group you're stuck in permissions hole

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andyman53:

thats what i meant

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justinh:

ok then :-)

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andyman53:

everything is owned by mythtv:mythtv

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andyman53:

sanity checks welcome :)

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justinh:

oh wait. now I remember. I need another drink

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andyman53:

the ceton card runs its own linux distribution, and its reached via a different subnet

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andyman53:

and it opens up RTP streams

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afpup:

so, if you do the 'cat {ceton device node} | mplayer -cache 8192 -' as the mythtv user, what happens?

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justinh:

funny that, a pci-e tuner which is really just a networked tuner? :-O I'd never looked at those in any detail due to their irrelevance to the UK market. heh

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johnbergqvist:

Anyone about?

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johnbergqvist:

I don't know whether I have a bug or not.

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** justinh whistles "There ain't nobody here but us chickens" **

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andyman53:

su mythv ; this account is not available

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andyman53:

hmm

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justinh:

andyman53: try mythtv instead

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johnbergqvist:

I think Myth is suddenly ignoring my "RecordOverTime" parameter :/

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andyman53:

*typo

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justinh:

you soon get better at typing ;-)

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johnbergqvist:

And before you say "Oh, they're next to each other in the guide" (which I don't think they always are), the Back to Back avoidance rule has been set to Always, so they'll schedule on seperate cards.

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andyman53:

[root@new-host-2 andrew]# su mythtv This account is currently not available.

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johnbergqvist:

Secondly, it's not a case of that flag being ignored when All 4 (physical) tuners of mine are being used up anyway, even with tuners to spare, it's still suddenly ignoring the RecordOverTime Parameter

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justinh:

johnbergqvist: if I were you I'd post this to the users ML instead. some people here are a little bit drunk

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johnbergqvist:

Users ML?

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johnbergqvist:

You mean #mythtv?

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justinh:

user's Mailing List

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johnbergqvist:

Oh, right.

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johnbergqvist:

Could do.

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johnbergqvist:

I tend to get a swifter answer from the #mythtv guys, but it is christmas.

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johnbergqvist:

I'll monitor it first to see if it continues.

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justinh:

pfft. in there the answer in the past would've been "you're in the wrong channel!" ;-)

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johnbergqvist:

Well i've posted it in #mythtv anyway

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justinh:

so what's mythbackend saying in the logs when it's apparently ignoring your settings?>

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justinh:

FWIW the scheduler is quite a complex beast. So many settings & things it has to juggle. I wouldn't be surprised if it occasionally gets confused

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andyman53:

justinh: [root@new-host-2 andrew]# modprobe -c | grep ctn alias pci:v00001172d00000004sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ctn91xx alias pci:v00001B7Cd00000004sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ctn91xx

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andyman53:

could that be it?

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andyman53:

modprobe shows it twice

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justinh:

nah. irrelevant :-)

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justinh:

andyman53: with no 'mythtv' user then what is mythbackend running as?

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justinh:

and BTW with mythbackend running you can't scan or do much useful with mythtv-setup

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andyman53:

[root@new-host-2 andrew]# ps aux | grep mythbackend mythtv 19159 0.1 0.7 4973100 58872 ? Ssl Dec20 8:48 /usr/bin/mythbackend --logpath /var/log/mythtv

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johnbergqvist:

I don't know, because my logging system is always broken

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andyman53:

i'm guessing it's shell is set to /bin/false or the like

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justinh:

oh that's handy

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johnbergqvist:

It just seems to log things at random :/

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andyman53:

yep

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andyman53:

mythtv:x:992:990:mythbackend user:/var/lib/mythtv:/sbin/nologin

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justinh:

heheh. as I said. Handy

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johnbergqvist:

I don't udnerstand it either :/

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johnbergqvist:

It seems to be a change that occurs when the recording starts though, because I can see it in mythweb. Normally when you start the recording, the time changes from the actual duration, to the duration with the added minutes on

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johnbergqvist:

i.e. for me 2 mins at the start and 4 mins at the end

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johnbergqvist:

so an hour recording would become 1hr 6 mins

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johnbergqvist:

yet for a few recordings last night and today, it's gone to 1hr 2 mins.

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johnbergqvist:

and from analysing the file, it's included the 2 mins previously, but instead of going on for 4 mins, it's stopped it at the program's actual finish time

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johnbergqvist:

and it's not as if it has to start another show on the same tuner, i've checked.

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johnbergqvist:

or maybe it is doing that because all the tuners would be full otherwise? I don't know. I wish it wouldn't.

[23:09:09]

johnbergqvist:

I know why it's logging at random.

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johnbergqvist:

All mythlogserver does is segfault.

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johnbergqvist:

So that's why I just get fragments of its logs

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andyman53:

justinh: what can I do?

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andyman53:

anyone?

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