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[00:08:58] | jm|laptop: | am I right in thinking that 0.27 does automatic DVB [new] channel discovery / tuning? |
[00:09:32] | jm|laptop: | or just changes to known channels / muxes? |
[00:13:54] | skd5aner: | I don't think it does any channel discovery at all, it would require a rescan |
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[01:40:19] | plut0: | not sure what happened to my database but my recording schedules of "any" channel are no longer working |
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[02:27:37] | Twiggy2cents: | Silly question, but when using mythtranscode to rebuild an index of a video. Does it save the index to the db or embed it in the video? |
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[02:47:43] | buu: | video indexes should be part of the video container |
[02:48:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay thanks |
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[03:11:03] | Korny: | Any hardware folks around, I'm debating whether i need to ground http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00129CDGC/r . . . F8&psc=1 to my case if I'm using it externally from case or if the DV ground through the molex connector(fan) and sata ground will do |
[03:12:08] | Korny: | If I need to ground it I was just going to take a piece of wire put soder two eye connectors to it and screw it to each chasis |
[03:17:27] | buu: | I can't imagine you would need to.. |
[03:17:33] | buu: | But I can't claim any expertise here |
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[03:19:09] | Korny: | Well I know the chasis is grounded through the ground prong on a 3 prong recepticle, I found this out the hard way at an old house of mine that only has neutral and hot, I was in the basement barefoot and got a nice tingle from my case |
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[03:20:16] | Korny: | I really should just grab a new case, however I'm to the point where I really should have a rack mount solution (12 HDs) :/ |
[03:20:24] | Korny: | but alas I'm to cheap |
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[03:38:22] | buu: | Korny: Just get a beeeg box! |
[03:41:03] | dashs: | Trying to get a handle on storagegroups. Is the system agnostic about storagegroups when retrieving a basename? And only uses them when allocating space? |
[03:43:42] | skd5aner: | dashs: not sure I understand the quesiton |
[03:43:52] | skd5aner: | what's a basename? |
[03:44:15] | dashs: | as used in the recorded table. |
[03:46:22] | [R]: | a given recording is in a specific storage group |
[03:48:15] | skd5aner: | basename is just the filename |
[03:48:22] | skd5aner: | of the recording |
[03:49:14] | dashs: | But it can be located even if it resides in a directory designated for another storage group. Right? |
[03:49:24] | skd5aner: | well... |
[03:49:43] | skd5aner: | it can reside in any directory assigned to a specific storage group, typically "Default" by default |
[03:50:22] | skd5aner: | for example... |
[03:50:48] | skd5aner: | you can have 3 seperate directories all within a single storage group, such as the default storage group... |
[03:51:17] | skd5aner: | you can move recordings around any of those 3 directories however you want, and mythtv will be able to find it so long as they are defined in the storage group |
[03:52:21] | dashs: | My experience shows me they can be found in any directory listed in the storage group table. |
[03:52:24] | skd5aner: | mythtv does not know which directory , exactly, that recording belongs to, only that it has a filename (aka basename), and that it belongs to a particular storage group... |
[03:52:43] | skd5aner: | it'll then go see which directories are associated with that storage group and go one by one until it finds that filename in one of the groups |
[03:53:36] | skd5aner: | so, you're suggesting that you can take a recording in one storage group, and put it in a storage group like "screenshots" or "videos" and it'll still find them? |
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[03:53:41] | skd5aner: | I wouldn't think that'd be possible |
[03:54:38] | dashs: | Why not — the directory is in the table, just make an exhaustive search — there are never that many anyway. |
[03:55:37] | dashs: | No, only directories in the storagegroup table. |
[03:55:41] | skd5aner: | Well, because the recorded table lists the storage group it belongs too, and you might not want mythtv to spin up drives and use IO unneedlessly searching directories that have nothing to do with recordings |
[03:55:46] | skd5aner: | right... |
[03:55:51] | skd5aner: | still wouldn't make sense to do |
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[03:57:12] | skd5aner: | My recordings go to the "Default" storage group... my videos go in the "Videos" storage group, Metadata artwork in the "Coverart" storage group – mythtv shouldn't look in the coverart storage group for recordings or videos, not sure it look in videos for recordings, because they'll never be put there |
[03:57:42] | dashs: | Only recordings are in directories in storagegroup table. |
[03:57:57] | dashs: | Not banner, fanart, or anythign else. |
[03:57:57] | skd5aner: | maybe in your instance... but that means that's all you've set up so far |
[03:58:10] | skd5aner: | youhaven't set up additional storage groups then |
[03:58:31] | skd5aner: | so, you can't say "any directory in the table" – because that's not true... |
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[03:58:40] | skd5aner: | any directory that's defined for a particular storagegroup type |
[03:58:51] | dashs: | I have 3 storage groups and about 8 directories. |
[03:59:12] | skd5aner: | right, and what are those 3 storage groups called?? |
[03:59:28] | skd5aner: | "groupname" in the storagroups table |
[03:59:32] | dashs: | Default, LiveTV and vidlib. |
[04:00:02] | skd5aner: | k, so... default is recordings, LiveTV is kind of a special case where livetv recordings iwll go there and not somewhere else... |
[04:00:29] | skd5aner: | and vidlib, well, I suppose that's a custom one for the video library, although mine's call "Videos" for that case |
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[04:00:45] | oobe: | I wonder if anyone has thought of taking a life insurance policy on their new born baby then shooting it with a rifle. |
[04:00:50] | skd5aner: | but, if you move them in vidlib, I would not expect those recordings to be found in the watch recordings screen |
[04:01:00] | skd5aner: | oobe: wtf man? |
[04:01:11] | oobe: | just a random thought. |
[04:01:21] | ctmjr: | oobe: you should leave now |
[04:01:51] | oobe: | I have a sick sense of humor the less funny to others the more I laugh on the inside. |
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[04:04:08] | skd5aner: | dashs: anyway – I've got to run, but yea... I'm sure that's what's going on... good night! |
[04:04:15] | dashs: | All the vidlib recordings are available thru 'watch recordings'. |
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[04:04:41] | skd5aner: | dashs: hmmm, don't know – would have to experiement myself to see if that is a bug or by design or by your unique config |
[04:05:03] | skd5aner: | in theory, it shouldn't work |
[04:05:04] | dashs: | mines kinda vanilla |
[04:05:19] | skd5aner: | yea, but still – everyone's is unique :) |
[04:05:30] | dashs: | hope so |
[04:05:57] | dashs: | otherwisw we would all be runnig media center. |
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[04:41:13] | IRCsloth: | Evening all |
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[08:01:39] | Rhomber: | so I got myself a Hauppauge HVR-2210 (same as HVR-2200) today.. going through the steps on: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200 |
[08:01:43] | Rhomber: | fingers crossed it all works |
[08:01:56] | Rhomber: | if anyone here has one, some moral support might be useful :) |
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[08:08:16] | oobe: | I have no idea about that particular card Im sure this is not re assuring however linuxtv.org maybe |
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[08:17:31] | Rhomber: | fair enough |
[08:18:01] | Rhomber: | i followed the 'how to get it to work easily' steps.. it is detected in MythTV.. but the "Channel Scan" button isn't clickable under Channel Editor.. |
[08:18:11] | Rhomber: | im new to MythTV.. is there another setup step i need to do first? |
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[08:33:34] | Rhomber: | The card loads up seemingly fine, and has two adaptors present .. but mythtv backend won't connect to them.. |
[08:33:34] | Rhomber: | http://dpaste.com/1498728/ |
[08:34:05] | Rhomber: | "Device or resource busy" any ideas? :( |
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[08:42:28] | Rhomber: | scan seems to work.. |
[08:42:28] | Rhomber: | http://dpaste.com/1498729/ |
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[09:48:42] | Rhomber: | actually, it's scanning channels now.. so we'll see :D |
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[10:54:08] | Rhomber: | so my tuner card can't find a channel i really want.. which worked before.. any way i can tweak the settings to make it less picky/find it? |
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[13:37:37] | dekarl-work: | Twiggy2cents: many containers have indexes which get used, but if you rebuild the index it goes to the database. IIRC the rebuild of index for "formats with their own index" is disabled |
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[14:04:13] | aberrios: | anyone else had an issue when playing videos with DTS-MA / DolbyHD where occaisionally there's a pop sound from the speakers, temporary (<1s) sound loss then sound returns? |
[14:05:08] | aberrios: | I'm wondering if its the Onkyo amp (SR-TX608).. a problem known as the "bit bomb". But Onkyo Amp experts say the 608 doesn't suffer from that problem. |
[14:06:36] | aberrios: | and it doesn't do it when playing DTS-MA/DoblyHD from the PS3. |
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[17:29:16] | rdark: | aberrios: I have a nice pop when initiating playback, going via digital output to an amp. Not during playback though |
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[21:44:28] | EnCrypt: | this is still actively updated correct? |
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[21:52:39] | skd5aner: | yes |
[21:53:45] | EnCrypt: | how do you compare it to say comercial brands that come with xfinity/cable companies? |
[21:53:53] | EnCrypt: | quality wise |
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[21:58:08] | EnCrypt: | so skd5aner if you just want to do dvr on one tv with one stream, you in theory just need a tv card and output normally through hdmi or something? how does the control work because unless the tv card has a IR receiver how does one control it? |
[21:59:36] | skd5aner: | it's way more powerful and flexible than any commercial DVR, but that complexity means that it's not for the non-technical crowd |
[22:00:09] | skd5aner: | it is fairly robust, but there are the occasional issues with stability as well, but that mostly depends on an individuals configuration and environment |
[22:00:34] | EnCrypt: | understandable. im not a general user im in IT professionally i believe i could easily make it work but im looking for a bit more information before i jump into it... |
[22:00:41] | skd5aner: | EnCrypt: where you do you live (country) |
[22:00:42] | skd5aner: | ? |
[22:00:44] | EnCrypt: | US |
[22:01:03] | skd5aner: | what kind of service? OTA, cable, satellite, etc? |
[22:01:07] | EnCrypt: | Cable |
[22:01:16] | skd5aner: | which provider? |
[22:01:19] | EnCrypt: | Xfinity/comcast |
[22:01:22] | skd5aner: | ok... |
[22:01:27] | skd5aner: | good news... |
[22:02:11] | skd5aner: | you can get a CableCard tuner, like the HDHR-Prime or Ceton, and that will allow you to record 3 or 4 programs simultaneously per tuner you purchase |
[22:02:19] | skd5aner: | no IR control necessary |
[22:02:50] | EnCrypt: | in conjunction with this software obviously? |
[22:03:27] | skd5aner: | yea... |
[22:03:31] | skd5aner: | so... at a high level... |
[22:03:46] | skd5aner: | MythTV has a backend component and a frontend component... (think client/server)... |
[22:03:48] | EnCrypt: | i assumed that comcast and other providers had filters on the mac of the box and such, how does the tuner get through that? |
[22:04:07] | skd5aner: | the backend component has tuners and storage, and is responsible for scheduling and recording (and storing) the recordings... |
[22:04:15] | skd5aner: | the frontend component is what plays back the recordings |
[22:04:26] | skd5aner: | both of those can run on a single computer, or multiple machines |
[22:05:04] | skd5aner: | you would by something, like the HDHR-Prime, pay a small fee a month for a cable card from Comcast, and then configure mythbackend to use that tuner |
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[22:05:14] | EnCrypt: | oooooooooooooooooooooo |
[22:05:24] | EnCrypt: | didnt realise they offered said card |
[22:05:54] | skd5aner: | you plug the tuner direct in to the cable coming from your wall, and then also in to your network which your backend is a part of too |
[22:06:09] | skd5aner: | yes, think of it as a replacement for your traditional cable box |
[22:06:32] | skd5aner: | instead of $5–10 mo or the STB, it's usually <$5/mo fee for the cablecard |
[22:06:51] | EnCrypt: | hmm that sounds a bit better, they want 15/mo |
[22:06:54] | EnCrypt: | in my area |
[22:06:55] | EnCrypt: | dick heads |
[22:06:58] | skd5aner: | yea, it depends |
[22:07:31] | skd5aner: | be thankful, though, as most cable companies don't mark their programs as copy freely and therefore the cable card would not work with MythTV |
[22:07:38] | EnCrypt: | i was really hoping there was some alternative way to bypass their filters such as mac cloning on a card not related to comcast lol |
[22:07:58] | skd5aner: | but Comcast typically does, with the exception of the premium networks |
[22:08:25] | skd5aner: | well, that's a ISP issue, not a calbe issue |
[22:08:28] | skd5aner: | cable |
[22:08:30] | EnCrypt: | i was thinking this system was something more of.. copy the needed mac/ID from your box, then it would get all the tv data and you would be able to do as you please with it |
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[22:10:38] | skd5aner: | EnCrypt: not really even sure what you are referring to |
[22:11:08] | EnCrypt: | soooo before getting side tracked with theories, i noticed on the wiki it mentioned a "mythdora" or something similar to that, i assume thats Fedora with the myth software pre configured to some degree? |
[22:11:26] | skd5aner: | Comcast does not broadcast TV via IP, it's still cable |
[22:11:42] | EnCrypt: | i realise that |
[22:11:55] | EnCrypt: | but tv broadcast systems are kinda similar... |
[22:12:01] | EnCrypt: | nvm doesnt really matter lol |
[22:12:07] | skd5aner: | Yes, but Mythdora isn't maintained as well as it was... |
[22:12:23] | skd5aner: | the best distribution for mythtv currently is mythbuntu, they are very active |
[22:13:29] | EnCrypt: | im assuming just using the package manager is obviously the best path to take? if fedora is used i assume using centos 6 would be OK to use as well? also i assume there's a Repo for it? |
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[22:14:03] | skd5aner: | usually the case, but not always – I'm not familiar with the status on centos |
[22:14:19] | EnCrypt: | well centos/fedora are basically the same |
[22:14:25] | skd5aner: | yea |
[22:14:26] | EnCrypt: | centos is the enterprise version of fedora only free |
[22:14:29] | skd5aner: | RPM |
[22:14:55] | EnCrypt: | i was basically just asking if there is a repo so i could use yum lol |
[22:15:40] | skd5aner: | probably, I just personally am not aware |
[22:15:45] | skd5aner: | but you can search the email archives or the wiki |
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[22:16:43] | EnCrypt: | alright... i guess first action is to get ahold of comcast and get a tv card :) once i get that ill return... ill leave my znc here for idleing :) |
[22:17:15] | skd5aner: | you have to also buy a cablecard tuner |
[22:17:42] | skd5aner: | http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/ |
[22:18:00] | skd5aner: | http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv/ |
[22:18:10] | EnCrypt: | soooooooo i thought this came from the cable company... |
[22:18:12] | EnCrypt: | lol |
[22:18:20] | skd5aner: | the cablecard itself does |
[22:18:31] | skd5aner: | the tuner does not |
[22:18:51] | skd5aner: | MythTV is not a cheap way to build a DVR |
[22:19:08] | skd5aner: | it's a hobbyist's option |
[22:19:13] | EnCrypt: | i guess i dont understand the difference going to have to research those two terms |
[22:19:19] | skd5aner: | so... just a sec |
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[22:22:14] | skd5aner: | the cablecard is basically the device that allows the cable company's signal to be received and decrypted... the cablecard plugs in to the tuner, which then can use the decrypted signal under given conditions determined by how the channels are flagged |
[22:22:50] | EnCrypt: | according to this device. it looks like it basically does everything, including has a built in DVR... |
[22:22:59] | skd5aner: | your cable box (STB) basically has a cablecard embedded in it |
[22:23:11] | skd5aner: | EnCrypt: It doesn't have a built in DVR... |
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[22:23:20] | skd5aner: | it has some very basic functionality to test Live TV tuning... |
[22:23:33] | skd5aner: | it works with 3'rd party DVRs, like Windows Media Center and MythTV |
[22:24:03] | skd5aner: | and will have some basic DLNA functionality in future firmware versions |
[22:24:21] | EnCrypt: | im supprised there's not a "hackers" version of this card lol |
[22:24:29] | EnCrypt: | one that doesnt care about DRM and such |
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[22:27:18] | EnCrypt: | or even a system that takes hdmi signal and uses that so could manipulate it that way.. lol just thinkin |
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[22:41:25] | skd5aner: | cablelabs has to certify all cablecard devices and issue licenses... if you don't go through their certification process, you can't sell a cablecard or cablecard device... if you do, you'll get sued and potentially be in violation of DMCA |
[22:41:31] | skd5aner: | same with HDMI basically |
[22:42:23] | skd5aner: | there are some HDMI devices that strip out the HDCP infomration, like the HDFury |
[22:42:23] | EnCrypt: | you can also get fined/sued for torrenting/messing with cookies in your browser/rooting your phone.. but people do it.. im just saying there's a alot of devices that are "illegal" but they still exist |
[22:43:35] | skd5aner: | Not exactly that easy to circumvent without access to the official specs and impossible to put in the market |
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[22:44:05] | EnCrypt: | i get what you're saying... i guess i need to order this thing, and a tuner |
[22:44:22] | skd5aner: | anyone can pirate and torrent, it requires nothing but software – but cablecard devices requires huge investments in machines and manufacturing and engineering |
[22:44:29] | sid3windr: | I was always wondering, even with a hdfury – which device can capture hdmi input? |
[22:44:38] | sid3windr: | the latest hauppauge hd pvr thingy? |
[22:44:50] | skd5aner: | sid3windr: without an HDFury, none in the Linux World... |
[22:45:02] | sid3windr: | yes, but the question was, with an hdfury ;) |
[22:45:04] | skd5aner: | with an HDFury, you could then simply output to an analog source, like HD-PVR |
[22:45:12] | sid3windr: | oh |
[22:45:15] | sid3windr: | hd fury has analog output? |
[22:45:29] | sid3windr: | I thought it was a little box with only hdmi in and out, stripping hdcp away |
[22:45:34] | sid3windr: | never really looked at that stuff |
[22:46:14] | skd5aner: | well, actually... |
[22:46:28] | skd5aner: | It's been about 4 years since I looked, so my memory might be fuzy :) |
[22:50:07] | skd5aner: | sid3windr: http://www.hdfury.com/shop/gamer/hdfury-gamer-2-component/ |
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[22:50:36] | sid3windr: | I see :) |
[22:50:40] | sid3windr: | I imagined it to be hdmi both ways |
[22:50:49] | sid3windr: | but I seem to recall there is a new hd pvr2 or so, which has hdmi in |
[22:51:03] | sid3windr: | not sure what the use case is, I'm pretty sure xbox and playstation do hdcp |
[22:53:34] | skd5aner: | sid3windr: this does component out too – http://www.hdfury.com/shop/videoprocessors/hd . . . dvanced-kit/ |
[22:53:50] | skd5aner: | sid3windr: Hauppauge does have an HDMI based recorder, but it doesn't work in linux |
[22:53:58] | sid3windr: | oh :( |
[22:54:18] | sid3windr: | those furies are mighty expensive in my eyes :) |
[22:54:20] | skd5aner: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html |
[22:54:24] | sid3windr: | (though it beats having nothing) |
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[22:54:49] | skd5aner: | yea, they're not really necessary most of the time since most STBs still output full HD in component outputs, but that could change |
[22:55:29] | sid3windr: | I have one of the last remaining STB with component |
[22:55:44] | sid3windr: | they're all being replaced here by hdmi+composite only boxes |
[22:56:01] | skd5aner: | I haven't really seen them going away yet here, but... |
[22:58:14] | skd5aner: | 5 years from now... hard to imagine that they'll still have component outputs on new boxes |
[22:58:35] | sid3windr: | :) |
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