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Monday, December 9th, 2013, 00:00 UTC
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[01:15:29] GenJa: My Hauppauge remote response to almost all key presses accept Select/Ok and Play. When I press play. X shows a circle with a slash. Any ideas?
[01:16:00] [R]: sounds like your WM is intercepting the keypress
[01:18:49] GenJa: any thoughts to make it stop, Ive spent 4 days trying to get it to work
[01:19:08] wagnerrp: prevent X from autoconfiguring its own inputs
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[01:27:10] GenJa: How?
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[01:28:38] runelind: wagnerrp: you're back :)
[01:28:45] wagnerrp: not for long
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[01:30:30] wagnerrp: i know i figured this out a while back, but it does not appear to be in my configs any longer
[01:30:45] wagnerrp: seems i'm relying on lirc to start up and grab the input before X has a chance to
[01:31:11] runelind: well I put in an SSD in my mythbackend to see if that was the problem with playback, but that does not appear to be the case.
[01:31:28] runelind: still get studdering every 10–15 seconds
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[01:32:19] wagnerrp: unless you were making multiple recordings to the same disk your database was on, i wouldn't expect that to change much
[01:32:58] runelind: well it is weird, it seems like since I updated to 0.27, watching stuff while it is being recorded is not smooth.
[01:33:08] runelind: if I wait until it is done, no problems at all.
[01:33:22] runelind: FreeBSD 9.1 on the back end, mythbuntu on the front end.
[01:33:54] runelind: nvidia ion box on the front end with VDPAU enabled.
[01:34:17] runelind: 100mbit switched connection to the backend
[01:37:00] wagnerrp: why am i getting permission errors...
[01:37:15] runelind: front end should not be the issue, since I can play back stuff that has finished recording without issues...
[01:37:19] wagnerrp: oh, it wants to delete the whole thing and recreate it...
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[02:21:25] wagnerrp: why do they think i want trailers for a dozen other movies in with my bluray...
[02:22:08] skd5aner: because you were a sucker to buy one bluray, surely they can sucker you in to buying more
[02:22:33] Kwisher: more room for crapware :)
[02:26:56] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp: to lower their presumed cost to produce so that they can justify charging you only a 2000% markup?
[02:27:35] wagnerrp: 2000%? i thought it cost them like $0.50 to stamp one of these things
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[02:29:18] wagnerrp: that's maybe 800% markup, or 700% if you consider the packaging too
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[02:46:00] wagnerrp: heh. i don't even have to figure out what shows are worth recording
[02:46:04] wagnerrp: cancellations do that for me
[02:46:08] skd5aner: yup
[02:46:29] skd5aner: we do that a lot... watch the new shows we really want to watch, and see what happens after week 8 before we start the rest
[02:46:50] wagnerrp: i'm just going through my list of shows and seeing a bunch with 2–4 episodes
[02:46:58] skd5aner: Feels good to delete 6 recordings because you know there won't be any more anyway
[02:47:42] skd5aner: Although, over the last 6 years, a lot of my favorite shows (new or otherwise) got the early axe
[02:48:34] skd5aner: the so called taste makers don't usually align to mine... or, they so blindly care about ratings, they could care less about quality of programming...
[02:48:46] wagnerrp: i wont say that... i'll say shows i think had promise got the early axe
[02:48:51] skd5aner: hence 18 versions of CSI and NCIS
[02:53:12] wagnerrp: seems Saving Hope is actually still running... only moved to Canada
[02:53:30] wagnerrp: or maybe they just stopped airing it in the US
[02:54:35] skd5aner: don't really know that show, but that's a good way to encourage fans in the US to use bittorrent :P
[02:55:00] wagnerrp: Vegas is done, but they got a full season in
[02:55:06] wagnerrp: i might watch that one
[02:55:09] skd5aner: yea, we watched it
[02:55:19] skd5aner: they kinda rushed an ending in... but, it was ok
[02:55:43] skd5aner: serial crime drama... with a twist, good casting, good characters, ok writing
[02:55:54] skd5aner: ok acting
[02:56:30] wagnerrp: wow. they killed off a primary in Person of Interest
[02:56:47] wagnerrp: descriptions kind of spoil the episode
[02:57:29] skd5aner: yea... they promo'd it in the preview from the previous week and advertised it all of that week
[02:57:37] skd5aner: but, they tried to mislead on who it would be
[02:57:44] wagnerrp: yeah, but the... yeah
[02:57:44] skd5aner: not to spoil it if you haven't seen it
[02:57:59] wagnerrp: no worries... description of the next episode already did so
[02:58:19] skd5aner: yea... haha
[02:58:23] skd5aner: don't look ahead :)
[02:58:34] skd5aner: love that show, top 3 for me right now
[02:58:47] skd5aner: actually like elementary too
[02:59:09] skd5aner: btw, a show I thought I'd hate, but gave a shot and loved.... summer release on USA – Graceland
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[02:59:18] wagnerrp: i'm liking Almost Human, but that may just be because i like Carl Urban
[02:59:28] wagnerrp: Karl?
[02:59:29] skd5aner: wagnerrp: yea, I haven't started watching it yet
[03:00:04] skd5aner: figured it was Fox's attempt to do a Bad Robot Sci-Fi replacement for Fringe, so I'd probably be interested
[03:00:20] wagnerrp: is it bad robot?
[03:00:38] skd5aner: yea, it's a JJ Abrahms production
[03:01:15] wagnerrp: as an engineer, i very much appreciate that their drones only have one big rotor, rather than a bunch of tiny ones
[03:01:26] skd5aner: heh
[03:01:41] skd5aner: do you work in support of the defence industry?
[03:02:09] wagnerrp: no, i do industrial programming... but my schooling is aerospace engineering
[03:02:24] wagnerrp: primarily turbomachinery (and propellers and fans)
[03:02:55] skd5aner: ah, got a couple friends who work in EE and ME for some defence contractors
[03:02:59] wagnerrp: so when i see someone extolling the virtues of a piece of crap fixed fan for lift... gah....
[03:03:04] skd5aner: defense... :P
[03:04:06] skd5aner: well, amazonair prime! 6+ rotor drones
[03:04:23] wagnerrp: gah...
[03:04:24] skd5aner: coming soon to a patio near you (sure, yea, uh huh)
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[03:04:56] wagnerrp: there's a good reason real hardware has one big rotor
[03:05:15] wagnerrp: a bunch of crappy little ones are inefficient at producing static thrust
[03:05:27] wagnerrp: inefficiency means short range, payload, and duration
[03:05:50] wagnerrp: it only works on the small scale because the things have so much power for their weight
[03:06:27] wagnerrp: any yahoo can throw one together in their garage and call themselves a rocket scientist
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[03:06:53] wagnerrp: and violently reject your explanation as to why they're an idiot with no sense of basic physics
[03:07:46] wagnerrp: of course calling them an idiot may be part of the cause to their reaction...
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[03:11:06] skd5aner: ;)
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[07:52:07] Shadow__X: is there a way to prevent mythfillbase from adding channels found in a schedules direct lineup?
[07:55:03] Shadow__X: i have 2 inputs being fed by the same source on schedules direct buy one of them can not tune all the channels
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[08:09:23] buu: You can't set up two different sources?
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[08:13:53] Shadow__X: buu: unless i am missing something schedules directly only allows you 1 list per provider
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[08:15:31] Shadow__X: hey tgm4883
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[10:55:50] Shadow__X: where do i go to find channel filtering on mythtv. Its referred to here on the schedules direct faq page MythTV now support channel filtering on MythTV video sources so this is no longer needed. For more info, click here
[10:56:02] Shadow__X: but it links to an old page that has since been updated
[10:56:35] Shadow__X: the question is "I was using multiple accounts with zap2it labs. What now?
[10:58:51] Shadow__X: i have 2 different tuners that share the same source list. One of them does not get all the channels. I need to be able to remove the channels just from one tuner
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[10:59:22] Shadow__X: i gave each tuner a different source within mythtv but they pull the data from the same one on schedules direct
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[11:29:37] sphery: Shadow__X: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Cachi . . . dules_Direct
[11:33:37] sphery: Shadow__X: so, basically, either use --remove-new-channels every time you run mythfilldatabase ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/556701#556701 ) (which is the official way), use multiple lineups at SD (if you can find a lineup in a nearby zip code, or whatever, that works), or put the channels in both and set those that shouldn't be used to not visible... Note that the not visible approach will mean someone can tune ...
[11:33:38] Shadow__X: sphery: great, thanks
[11:33:43] sphery: ... channels in Live TV that won't work, meaning it can break things (including your capture device--possibly to the point of requiring a reboot, depending on tuner and source and channels)
[11:34:13] sphery: Shadow__X: is the question that's got a bad link at SD in the FAQ?
[11:34:21] Shadow__X: yes
[11:34:42] sphery: ok, thanks... I'll see if we can get it updated--may be due to our moving the howto
[11:35:07] Shadow__X: can i delete the channels in mythweb for the appropriate sourceid and then run mythfill with --remove-new-channels or do i need to delete and start over with the sources?
[11:35:16] Shadow__X: sphery: thank you
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[11:44:28] Shadow__X: sphery: can i delete the channels in mythweb and then use --remove-new-channels with mythfilldatabase or just start over with the sources?
[12:14:01] Shadow__X: sphery: thanks again
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[12:53:14] sphery: Shadow__X: deleting channels using mythweb or mythtv-setup's channel editor should be fine, assuming there's nothing broken about your video sources (and they just have some extra channels)
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[17:39:02] dashs: My video collection has kind of gotten out of control and I'd like to clean up and migrate stuff. Is there a batch way of deleting shows from the DB and disk together?
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[17:56:58] sphery: dashs: best way is to use mythfrontend... In mythfrontend, go to Watch Recordings, select a title or recording group or category from the Groups list (may have to use MENU|Change Group View to enable seeing the recording groups/categories/...), then MENU|Add this group to playlist, then MENU|Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete, and allow re-record)
[18:00:08] dashs: OK
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[19:58:29] twiggy2pence: So I havent had much time to mess with it, but I queue up some index building of videos with mythtranscode from the CLI. Then mythbackend seg faulted. Can this be related?
[19:58:48] twiggy2pence: I removed them from the job queue in the db to see if it would fix it, but it doesnt.
[19:59:21] clever: need a backtrace before we can do anuthing
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[20:02:17] twiggy2pence: I havent actually ever ran a backtrace. Is it just gdb mythbackend?
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[20:04:46] twiggy2pence: Ive compiled profile, when I do gdb mythbackend it stops at Reading symbols from /usr/local/bin/mythbackend...done. (gdb)
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[20:10:10] twiggy2pence: Okay I am following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging but it says /home/darren/gdbcommands:1: Error in sourced command file: Undefined catch command: "<< "EOF" | tee ${HOME}/gdbcommands ". Try "help catch".
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[20:10:26] clever: sounds like you put the wrong commands in gdbcommands
[20:17:01] twiggy2pence: I followed the wiki. I will look over it
[20:17:53] clever: the commands in the wiki are meant to be pasted into a terminal, and create the file for you
[20:18:16] twiggy2pence: doh1!
[20:19:20] twiggy2pence: Well I still have an issue with the first line. the cat line. I dont understand what it is trying to cat
[20:21:50] clever: << "EOF" is a bash thing, it tells bash to pipe the following lines into fat
[20:21:53] clever: cat*
[20:21:57] clever: up to the EOF at the end
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[20:28:37] twiggy2pence: okay I have it going
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[20:36:52] twiggy2pence: http://pastebin.com/0yH4JGH7
[20:36:56] twiggy2pence: That is the backtrace
[20:37:39] twiggy2pence: I am busy at the moment so I havent had time to review it yet (Im not sure really what I am looking at) and also if you think I need to submit a bug report I will have to do that this evening
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[20:45:56] bill6502: twiggy2pence: Before you write a ticket, see: #11973. I just wrote it for a 0.28-pre issue with Recording Rules that have an episode and/or season = 0. *Maybe* [c563b85] .
[20:45:56] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11973 **
[20:53:04] clever: 0x00007ffff5b68cbc in ProgramInfo::GetChanID (this=0x0) at ../libmyth/programinfo.h:341
[20:53:16] clever: twiggy2pence: it looks like GetChanID was called on a null pointer
[20:53:48] clever: twiggy2pence: the problem appears to be jobqueue.cpp line 1052, so it must be related to the job you made somehow
[20:53:59] clever: and it hasnt been deleted fully enough
[20:55:41] bill6502: twiggy2pence: same header file, but yours is GetChanID, mine are GetSeason/GetEpisode not a match to my ticket, kinkly ignore
[20:56:11] bill6502: *kindly
[20:56:13] clever: bill6502: what about one frame up in the backtrace?
[20:57:09] bill6502: his or mine?
[20:57:20] clever: both, do they match up or differ?
[20:57:34] clever: 0x00007ffff5b68cbc in ProgramInfo::GetChanID (this=0x0) at ../libmyth/programinfo.h:341
[20:57:48] clever: #1 0x00007ffff5b940a2 in JobQueue::GetRunningJobID (this=0x8c0940, chanid=0, recstartts=...) at jobqueue.cpp:1052
[20:57:48] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 **
[20:57:51] ** clever kicks synergy **
[20:58:05] clever: this is from twiggy2pence's backtrace, the frame that called the null pointer
[20:58:13] twiggy2pence: Heh i always break it when I try to do extra stuff's!
[20:58:33] bill6502: 1 up is MetadataOptions::Create (this=0x7daac40) at scheduleeditor.cpp:1408 for mine
[20:58:48] clever: yeah, doesnt look related
[20:58:58] bill6502: twiggy2pence: what version of MythTV are you running?
[21:09:05] twiggy2pence: latest .27 fixes, compiled today
[21:09:24] twiggy2pence: v0.27-115-gf785255
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[21:21:07] twiggy2pence: Would restoring a previous db fix the issue?
[21:21:59] clever: thats one of many ways to fix it
[21:22:16] clever: i would make another backup to be safe, then just go into the database and delete the bad row from the job table
[21:23:13] clever: that would cause the least ammount of damage to other things
[21:23:14] twiggy2pence: Hmm, I didnt make a backup before i rooted in there earlier... Oops. I deleted the jobs from the job queue table. Is that where it should of been? Or is there a different table for current jobs
[21:23:34] clever: i think they are all in a single table, but i havent looked recently
[21:23:48] clever: run a select query on that table and double-check that its empty
[21:24:18] twiggy2pence: I guess I will have to look, I know I deleted all the jobs that I created with mythtranscode and left the previous completed jobs
[21:24:42] twiggy2pence: ./me cheats and doesnt actually know sql commands very well so he uses a gui frontend
[21:24:45] twiggy2pence: oops
[21:24:48] clever: the backtrace appears to mention a job with chanid=0, but i'm not sure
[21:24:52] twiggy2pence: well y9=ou ge the idea
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[21:46:09] twiggy2pence: I went for the shotgun approach and replaced the db with the db backup from this morning.
[21:46:15] twiggy2pence: All's good in the hood
[21:46:33] twiggy2pence: Should I still make a bug report or no?
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[21:57:38] clever: twiggy2pence: yeah, i would make a bug report
[21:57:59] clever: and i would double check that you can break it with a single command, just to help the devs
[21:58:06] clever: youve got a backup you know fixes it, so no harm now
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[22:03:53] twiggy2pence: Well it is a little scary to type --drop_database even with a backup! But I will make a note to do some trying
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