| Saturday, December 7th, 2013, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:51] | tvin: | Can myth TV use OTA EPG? |
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| [00:09:11] | [R]: | yes, but in the US its garbage |
| [00:10:26] | tvin: | Can myth TV use OTA EPG to one click program set time record a show? |
| [00:18:02] | [R]: | as i arleady said, yes it can use the epg... but the ota epg in the us is garbage |
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| [00:56:37] | tvin: | Can mythtv be windowed for doing other stuff on your PC at the same time? |
| [00:58:20] | [R]: | yes |
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| [03:12:50] | runelind: | would there be a difference between playing back content that is actively being recorded vs content that has already been recorded in terms of front end performance? |
| [03:13:02] | runelind: | it seems like stuff that is currently recording is not playing back well. |
| [03:13:25] | [R]: | video is video |
| [03:14:52] | runelind: | would seem that way, yeah. |
| [03:15:08] | skd5aner: | runelind: sometimes live tv playback can stutter if you are too close to the end of the buffer... |
| [03:15:13] | skd5aner: | pause for a few seconds and see if that helps |
| [03:15:30] | runelind: | I'm like 30 minutes behind live tv |
| [03:15:32] | skd5aner: | watching an in-progress recording, though, shouldn't really be a problem |
| [03:17:52] | runelind: | yeah, disk latency is extremly low. |
| [03:20:31] | runelind: | would myth be doing any post-processing to any of the files that it has completed recording on? |
| [03:20:35] | runelind: | I wouldn't think so. |
| [03:22:34] | runelind: | looks like it is doing commercial flagging, but that's probably it as far as I can tell. |
| [03:23:34] | runelind: | the 9400M has been able to play back most everything just fine |
| [03:23:40] | runelind: | wonder if it is tied to 0.27 |
| [03:30:59] | runelind: | I'm also having problems playing back with my mac mini, which has a 2ghz c2d with a 9400M, and it should definitely be fast enough. |
| [03:31:16] | runelind: | running 10.9 |
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| [04:03:49] | runelind: | hrm, there might be a disk issue on the back end. |
| [04:03:55] | runelind: | latency is going up to 200ms |
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| [04:20:39] | runelind: | is it possible to record to one disk, like an SSD, and have it transfer to my big array once it is done recording? |
| [04:20:55] | [R]: | there are user jobs |
| [04:21:01] | [R]: | probably would work |
| [04:23:16] | runelind: | but this doesn't explain why I could play back fine on my rmbp |
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| [05:18:39] | ridiculousdonny: | hi all. Long time mythtv user, but I can't seem to find this anywhere. Is there anywhere that tells me what frontends are playing what? |
| [05:19:53] | ridiculousdonny: | mythweb doesn't seem to show it. I had a look at the frontend logs too, but it seems that info is not there. |
| [05:20:14] | ridiculousdonny: | and yes I did a 'something' search |
| [05:20:34] | ridiculousdonny: | any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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| [06:53:00] | tvin: | So what TV tuner for OTA with mythtv do you guys recommend most? |
| [06:53:12] | wagnerrp: | need to know what you want to record |
| [06:53:29] | wagnerrp: | OTA north america? OTA europe? OTA australia? |
| [06:53:34] | tvin: | US |
| [06:54:07] | wagnerrp: | personally, i've got a HVR-1250 and a pair of HDHomeRuns |
| [06:54:28] | tvin: | If I can get for cable and or satellite potential that would be a bonus |
| [06:54:41] | wagnerrp: | satellite is not an option |
| [06:54:56] | wagnerrp: | dish and directv are both encrypted, and there is no means of decrypting it besides their own STB |
| [06:55:04] | wagnerrp: | cable... depends on your cable provider |
| [06:55:36] | tvin: | So which do you recommend then? I have been looking at Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 |
| [06:55:58] | wagnerrp: | who is your cable provider? |
| [06:56:03] | tvin: | I've heard though that Haups customer support is nonexistent though |
| [06:56:09] | tvin: | I don't have one |
| [06:56:27] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge does not support linux |
| [06:56:39] | wagnerrp: | but there is considerable support for hauppauge cards on linux |
| [06:56:41] | tvin: | Or their product, so I hear |
| [06:56:57] | tvin: | but mythtv does support haup, right? |
| [06:57:00] | wagnerrp: | as they have provided documentation, and even some of their engineers have independently developed linux drivers |
| [06:57:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports APIs, not specific hardware |
| [06:57:27] | tvin: | What is API? |
| [06:57:42] | wagnerrp: | programming interface |
| [06:58:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports the interfaces commonly exposed by linux hardware drivers |
| [06:58:24] | tvin: | Anyway, have you experienced or heard of Haups bad customer support, or have you never called them or tried to communicate with them? |
| [06:59:00] | wagnerrp: | i've never needed to call them, but then they don't officially support linux either |
| [06:59:19] | wagnerrp: | i have heard people having positive experiences when calling them for hardware failures |
| [07:00:00] | tvin: | I read a review with them promising to send a replacement for a bad part, and then not sending it, then promising again, then not sending it |
| [07:01:03] | wagnerrp: | the only hardware i've heard people commonly needing to replace is the power supply for the HDPVR |
| [07:01:16] | tvin: | So which do you you recommend? |
| [07:01:55] | wagnerrp: | i've not had problems with the two cards i've mentioned, and i know of at least two devs using -2250s |
| [07:03:06] | tvin: | So you recommend the haup over the homerun? |
| [07:03:39] | wagnerrp: | personally, i love the flexibility of having my tuners attached to the network, as opposed to physically in one box |
| [07:03:44] | tvin: | Does homerun require more system resources? How about video save size, similar? |
| [07:03:59] | tvin: | Well I only have one PC, I don't have a network |
| [07:04:18] | wagnerrp: | but then that's because i'm running freebsd, and thus can avoid any need for drivers, and it allows me to move the device between multiple machines for development purposes |
| [07:04:30] | wagnerrp: | recordings are copied straight to disk |
| [07:04:38] | wagnerrp: | all tuners will give you the exact same video |
| [07:04:58] | tvin: | you mean it will record the same size? |
| [07:05:04] | wagnerrp: | bit for bit |
| [07:05:25] | tvin: | How about my system resources question |
| [07:05:47] | wagnerrp: | as long as you're not using some old piece of junk, the resource usage will be trivial |
| [07:07:20] | tvin: | are you saying the use the same amount of resources? |
| [07:08:01] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying they all use a trivial amount of resources |
| [07:08:28] | wagnerrp: | whether one uses more or less than the other is below the noise levels of simple ways to measure it |
| [07:09:37] | tvin: | well how about tuner quality, how do they compare for getting in shaky TV signal? |
| [07:10:12] | wagnerrp: | i honestly don't have the expertise to compare |
| [07:12:37] | tvin: | So which do you recommend, can you give any reason to prefer one over another aside from the PC network thing? |
| [07:13:02] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [07:13:29] | wagnerrp: | when you say you have no network, you have no internet? |
| [07:13:41] | tvin: | How might I go about checking the quality of one tuner over another |
| [07:14:03] | tvin: | I mean I only have one PC, the device I would use would work on that one PC and no other |
| [07:14:32] | wagnerrp: | so this is going to be run on your existing primary computer? |
| [07:14:36] | tvin: | is |
| [07:14:40] | tvin: | yes |
| [07:14:43] | wagnerrp: | which runs Linux? |
| [07:14:46] | tvin: | yes |
| [07:15:05] | wagnerrp: | and is on all the time with no time that it is under heavy load? |
| [07:15:09] | tvin: | I plan to set up a drive to run windows for games, or perhaps VM, I will have to do some testing |
| [07:15:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is intended more as an always-on appliance. not a tv viewing application |
| [07:15:58] | tvin: | What difference does it make, you said both took up a insignificant amount of resources |
| [07:16:16] | tvin: | And why does it matter if it was intended to always be on or not? |
| [07:16:17] | wagnerrp: | it's a DVR |
| [07:16:24] | tvin: | I know.... |
| [07:16:28] | wagnerrp: | you tell it to record a show, and it decides when and how to record it |
| [07:16:43] | tvin: | it will also allow me to watch TV on my PC too |
| [07:16:53] | tvin: | I get that, please stop telling me obvious things |
| [07:17:21] | tvin: | I could even sell my TV eventually, or at least not replace it if it breaks, with this |
| [07:17:24] | wagnerrp: | if it were obvious, you would understand why it would need to be always-on |
| [07:17:43] | tvin: | It would only need to be on, when it needs to record |
| [07:17:54] | wagnerrp: | correct, and it decides when it wants to record |
| [07:17:57] | tvin: | well, when I want it to correct |
| [07:18:04] | wagnerrp: | no, when it wants to |
| [07:18:07] | tvin: | I decide when I want it to control |
| [07:18:29] | tvin: | Or are you saying myth TV takes over like invasion of the body snatchers? |
| [07:18:37] | wagnerrp: | if you're telling it when to record, it would be no different from a dumb VCR |
| [07:18:41] | tvin: | want to record i meant to say |
| [07:18:48] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying you don't give it a time to record, you give it a title to record |
| [07:19:07] | wagnerrp: | and it figures out when that title exists, does not interfere with other recordings, and schedules it on its own |
| [07:19:34] | tvin: | Well "dumb vcr" works pretty well. Anyway, I can know when i program I scheduled it to record is on, and make sure my PC is on at the time! |
| [07:19:43] | wagnerrp: | it may decide to record something at a later re-showing to avoid a coinflict |
| [07:19:59] | wagnerrp: | so it needs to be able to ensure it will be on during that later showing to perform the recording |
| [07:20:08] | tvin: | So? |
| [07:20:12] | wagnerrp: | so either it is always on, or it has control over startup and shutdown |
| [07:20:49] | tvin: | not necessary, I know when my programs are on, I know when they conflict, and most of the stuff I watch, there are no "latter showings" |
| [07:20:59] | tvin: | or I can figure out those latter showings for myself |
| [07:21:49] | tvin: | Anyway, why are you going on about all this? I decide what I want to record, unless mythtv has a strange policy about taking over peoples PC, I can decide when i want my PC on. I did not ask you about any of this! |
| [07:22:17] | wagnerrp: | i'm warning you of the expectations of mythtv, before you go and buy hardware for it |
| [07:22:19] | tvin: | Or are you saying that turning my PC off and on again latter will somehow screw up myth tvs programming? |
| [07:22:32] | wagnerrp: | it does expect to be in control of the hardware it runs on |
| [07:22:40] | wagnerrp: | hence, an appliane |
| [07:22:43] | wagnerrp: | *appliance |
| [07:22:51] | tvin: | *points to last question* |
| [07:23:11] | wagnerrp: | potentially, yes, if it does not get turned on at an appropriate time |
| [07:23:32] | tvin: | It might need to be reinstalled or something? |
| [07:23:48] | wagnerrp: | no, it would just miss the scheduled time for the recording |
| [07:24:03] | tvin: | That isn't screwing up myth TV itself |
| [07:24:08] | wagnerrp: | traditionally, mythtv controls shutdown, and programs your motherboard to wake up at the appropriate time |
| [07:24:27] | tvin: | It can turn my TV on and off? |
| [07:24:37] | tvin: | I mean my PC |
| [07:24:44] | wagnerrp: | it you tell it to |
| [07:24:52] | wagnerrp: | and give it permission to do so |
| [07:25:35] | tvin: | How though? Its a program that runs on a OS, you can't program a motherboard. And a PC can't run a program if it is off |
| [07:25:38] | wagnerrp: | if the machine it is running on is going to get turned off, it wants to be in control of that |
| [07:26:03] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_clock_alarm |
| [07:26:07] | tvin: | You mean it has desires? a bit of a control freak? |
| [07:26:53] | wagnerrp: | it desires to be on and running when it's time to perform its scheduled recordings |
| [07:26:55] | tvin: | Perhaps my motherboard lacks whatever feature required to get this to work? |
| [07:27:13] | tvin: | Well presumable it does what I program it to, unless you say otherwise |
| [07:27:41] | wagnerrp: | back to my original point, it can be used like a VCR, but is not intended to be used like a VCR |
| [07:27:42] | tvin: | I mean what I set it to do, and I assume these are optional features, not forced on us |
| [07:27:48] | wagnerrp: | it is designed that you leave scheduling up to it |
| [07:27:51] | tvin: | Why do I care about that? |
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| [07:28:13] | tvin: | Why should I care about that, I mean |
| [07:28:31] | wagnerrp: | because then you're using a complex application and bypassing one of its primary features |
| [07:28:46] | tvin: | I still don't see a point in all this |
| [07:30:23] | DouglasK: | I've got mythbackend up and running fine (it's feeding to xbmc for a frontend), having trouble getting MythWeb up and running. In Apache's error.log, I"m seeing errors in MythBase.php. OS is Ubuntu 12.10. |
| [07:30:43] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin the specific errors? |
| [07:30:47] | tvin: | "and is on all the time with no time that it is under heavy load? " why did you ask this? |
| [07:30:49] | DouglasK: | Sure thing. |
| [07:31:20] | wagnerrp: | CPU load isn't a real issue, but disk load is |
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| [07:31:36] | wagnerrp: | if you're using the disk heavily, and mythtv's write buffer grows too large, it will abort the recording |
| [07:31:48] | Rhomber: | heya |
| [07:31:53] | Rhomber: | just wondering if there are any aussies here who can recommend a decent Dual TV tuner card? |
| [07:32:37] | wagnerrp: | europe uses the same cards, although there might be some differences in availability |
| [07:33:05] | Rhomber: | ah cool.. DVB-T ? |
| [07:33:10] | tvin: | wagnerrp What constitutes using the disk heavily, what if I were running the OS and some programs off a SSD, but recording onto a HDD, would that write buffer thing be a issue? |
| [07:33:13] | Rhomber: | (sorry im kinda new to this) |
| [07:33:43] | DouglasK: | wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/eXhmMNC0 |
| [07:33:44] | Rhomber: | tvin: nope |
| [07:34:17] | wagnerrp: | if you're DDing a big chunk of data onto the disk, or running an excessive amount of IO load, you can have troubles |
| [07:34:34] | DouglasK: | In the browser, I get no page (no source). |
| [07:34:36] | tvin: | wagnerrp: What is DDing? |
| [07:34:38] | wagnerrp: | usually, the only time people get into trouble is when they have their database on the same disk they're trying to record several shows to |
| [07:34:47] | wagnerrp: | but as long as that is on the SSD, it shouldn't be a problem |
| [07:34:59] | wagnerrp: | 'dd' is a low level data copy application |
| [07:35:20] | tvin: | what is this database you speak of? |
| [07:35:39] | wagnerrp: | mysql. mythtv stores everything but recordings and artwork in a mysql database |
| [07:36:20] | wagnerrp: | DouglasK: if i remember correctly, it's an issue with running mythweb on php 5.1 |
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| [07:36:32] | wagnerrp: | i know it's something to do with PHP version |
| [07:36:47] | Rhomber: | I setup my db and install on SSD and have 2 HDDs in RAID 0 for the TV stuff.. |
| [07:36:57] | DouglasK: | wagnerrp, what version of php is best for this purpose? It's a dedicated media box, so I'm not worried about other web apps. |
| [07:36:57] | Rhomber: | but yeah, need to buy a tuner first to see it work |
| [07:36:58] | wagnerrp: | odd you would be getting that issue on 12.10 |
| [07:37:20] | wagnerrp: | RAID0 is a bad idea. failure of either means you lose everything |
| [07:37:20] | tvin: | wagnerrp: what is this everything but recording and artwork? Like what? It's schedule and program files? |
| [07:37:27] | wagnerrp: | better to just leave them separate drives |
| [07:37:52] | Rhomber: | wagnerrp: I didn't really care about the data, i have an external RAID 5 for actual storage |
| [07:37:53] | wagnerrp: | all configuration data, all scheduling data, all records of what you have recorded |
| [07:37:58] | Rhomber: | it's just a 'scratch' pad |
| [07:38:10] | wagnerrp: | still no sense raiding it |
| [07:38:19] | Rhomber: | so just LVM? |
| [07:38:27] | wagnerrp: | no, just individual drives |
| [07:38:41] | wagnerrp: | let mythtv know about both of them, and it will balance between them itself |
| [07:38:48] | Rhomber: | ahh ok |
| [07:39:00] | Rhomber: | haven't used it yet.. thanks, i'll re-set it up :) |
| [07:39:09] | wagnerrp: | DouglasK: i believe 5.3 is preferred |
| [07:39:24] | tvin: | wagnerrp: Records of what I have recorded? Doesn't it put them on video files that would play independent of mythtv? Or if I lost mythtv or its records, would I lose the ability to play recorded shows? |
| [07:39:39] | DouglasK: | *nod* Found a patch on code.mythtv.org that may fix it. gonna backup the relevant files and try that first. |
| [07:40:25] | wagnerrp: | you will lose the ability to play recorded shows as recorded shows. you can still import the files into the video library and play them in that manner |
| [07:40:41] | wagnerrp: | however, the shows are named using the channel id and the time of the recording |
| [07:40:59] | wagnerrp: | so if you lost that data, you would lose record of what they actually were |
| [07:41:52] | DouglasK: | Looks like the patch was put up in the ticket 21 months ago. Not sure why it's not been integrated into the project. |
| [07:42:40] | wagnerrp: | php 5.3 was released four years ago. it was probably considered not necessary to maintain compatibility with 5.1 |
| [07:43:13] | tvin: | well you would know what they were just by playing them. But why would I need to import the files into a video library, can't I just play them where they reside? |
| [07:43:51] | wagnerrp: | you can externally, yes. the video library is the area in mythtv for playing videos that are not local recordings |
| [07:43:53] | DouglasK: | This patch is for 5.4 compatibility. |
| [07:44:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, not sure about that |
| [07:44:28] | DouglasK: | No worries. I'll test, see if it works... if so, yay. :) |
| [07:46:53] | tvin: | So in the end, even if I am say playing a resource video game, and downloading a file at the same time or something, I can still use myth TV to record a show or two, but as long as mythtv is on a separate drive from where its recording to, preferably a SSD? |
| [07:47:40] | tvin: | I mean preferably mythtv running off a SSD |
| [07:47:45] | wagnerrp: | you may need to run mythtv at a higher priority |
| [07:48:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not need much CPU or memory to record, but what it needs, it needs |
| [07:48:22] | tvin: | What might happen if I didn't? |
| [07:48:39] | tvin: | Well I would assume linux would give it all the resources it needs |
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| [07:49:14] | tvin: | So if I did that, I wouldn't have to worry about myth cancelling the recording? |
| [07:49:14] | wagnerrp: | linux obeys the priority you give your applications. it doesn't try to know what is best for you |
| [07:49:39] | wagnerrp: | if you do not give mythtv sufficient time, hardware buffers will get flushed before mythtv has a chance to pull data out of them |
| [07:49:47] | wagnerrp: | and you will have gaps in the recording |
| [07:51:09] | DouglasK: | wagnerrp, and the patch fixed it. |
| [07:51:39] | tvin: | wagnerrp: What do you mean, giving it time? |
| [07:52:26] | wagnerrp: | in a multitasking OS, things are only given so much time to run before control of the CPU is forcibly rescinded by the OS and given to something else |
| [07:52:39] | wagnerrp: | if you have idle time, then it's not a problem |
| [07:53:25] | wagnerrp: | if all your CPU time is being used, and something like mythtv needs real time access to hardware, you could delay it too long and cause data loss |
| [07:53:58] | tvin: | So in my scenario, with giving mythtv high priority, should I be issue free? |
| [07:54:26] | tvin: | even if I am downloading to the same drive that myth TV is recording on? |
| [07:54:44] | wagnerrp: | i cannot guarantee that. playing intensive video games on an active backend is not a common usage scenario |
| [07:56:17] | tvin: | What is your best guess? |
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| [07:56:31] | wagnerrp: | i have no information to make one |
| [07:56:37] | tvin: | My PC is fairly modern and higher end btw |
| [07:56:50] | tvin: | I put it together myself |
| [07:57:15] | tvin: | Can mythtv also run on win7? |
| [07:57:38] | wagnerrp: | as a frontend, yes |
| [07:57:49] | wagnerrp: | as a backend... i'm not sure anyone has actually tested |
| [07:58:01] | wagnerrp: | there is no hardware support on windows, so it would only potentially work with something like an HDHR |
| [07:58:53] | tvin: | What if I wanted the same myth TV or other DVR software to be shared by both OS. So even if I am running windows in a duel boot or on another partition, I can still have my programs recorded |
| [07:59:01] | DouglasK: | There we go ... Mythweb is a much easier way to schedule recordings a few days in advance. |
| [07:59:09] | tvin: | So the programming is shared especially |
| [07:59:31] | tvin: | mythweb? |
| [07:59:34] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [07:59:42] | tvin: | That a alternative to mythtv? |
| [07:59:59] | wagnerrp: | it would end up being two independent installations, and mythtv does not support sharing among installations |
| [08:04:05] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is a html-based frontend for mythtv, typically used for management of recordings and recording rules |
| [08:04:56] | tvin: | By name, it draws from a online savings of scheduled programming? |
| [08:05:07] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [08:05:08] | tvin: | off a remote server? |
| [08:05:14] | tvin: | mythweb |
| [08:05:19] | wagnerrp: | off your server (the one running mythbackend) |
| [08:05:27] | tvin: | My server? |
| [08:05:36] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend is a server application |
| [08:05:46] | wagnerrp: | mythweb runs through apache, another server application |
| [08:06:01] | wagnerrp: | your GUI you're using right now is called 'xserver' |
| [08:06:09] | tvin: | But with mythtv, it doesn't store the data on another site then? |
| [08:06:26] | wagnerrp: | why would it store anywhere but your own hardware? |
| [08:07:03] | tvin: | So you could for example, have two OS but program once, or use that programmed time for another PC |
| [08:07:35] | tvin: | It's the kind of concept of cloud storage I believe |
| [08:09:27] | wagnerrp: | that goes right back to the idea that mythtv is intended to be run as an appliance. it's never supposed to be in such a situation that you would want that ability |
| [08:10:39] | tvin: | You mean run on a PC being used as a appliance AKA dedicated device |
| [08:11:00] | tvin: | But that is not what i want |
| [08:11:02] | wagnerrp: | either a dedicated PC, or a PC dedicated for server tasks |
| [08:11:16] | tvin: | Well, not for me |
| [08:11:45] | tvin: | Is there a alternative to myth TV that might do something of what I want? |
| [08:11:51] | wagnerrp: | which is why i've been explaining that is how mythtv is designed to be used, and if you're not going to be using it in that manner, your experience may be poor |
| [08:12:04] | tvin: | In what way? |
| [08:12:49] | wagnerrp: | in the same way as anything will misbehave when used in a manner other than intended |
| [08:14:33] | tvin: | Please stop speaking in such vague generalities, if you are really trying to help me, then you might wish to know that doing so is of no help at all |
| [08:15:05] | wagnerrp: | i can't make anything but vague generalities, because mythtv is not frequently run in that manner to know how it will react |
| [08:15:44] | tvin: | Is there a alternative to myth TV that might do something of what I want? Specifically to allow itself to be shared between OS? |
| [08:16:00] | wagnerrp: | highly doubtful |
| [08:16:14] | tvin: | well just its programming even |
| [08:18:55] | tvin: | Well what is one linux alternative to mythtv, can you think of any? |
| [08:19:11] | wagnerrp: | vdr, freevo, tvheadend |
| [08:20:09] | wagnerrp: | freevo is dead, vdr is intended to be used as an appliance, and i doubt tvheadend is designed to allow configuration to be shared between a linux backend and a windows backend |
| [08:20:26] | wagnerrp: | assuming it even supports a windows backend (i'm not aware one way or another) |
| [08:28:07] | tvin: | Is mythtv just superior to those other two (not counting the dead one) or is it more even? |
| [08:29:14] | wagnerrp: | VDR's scope is very limited, basically intending to be a replacement for satellite STBs in europe |
| [08:29:23] | wagnerrp: | tvheadend is fairly new, and i've never used it |
| [08:29:58] | wagnerrp: | it's a DVR backend for XBMC |
| [08:29:59] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: You're up early and very busy! |
| [08:30:17] | wagnerrp: | flight got in at 1am, couldn't get to sleep |
| [08:31:03] | wagnerrp: | Rhomber: SteveGoodey might have some suggestions for DVB-T tuners |
| [08:32:04] | wagnerrp: | was supposed to get in at 3:30pm... cancellations... delays... |
| [08:36:29] | SteveGoodey: | I have been using a pair of USB DVB-T2 which seem to work well but I don't think you approve of USB tuners? |
| [08:36:53] | wagnerrp: | i just don't like using USB for anything that needs reliable data |
| [08:37:27] | wagnerrp: | but then i know there are a number of PCI DVB tuners that are nothing but USB tuners with a PCI bridge |
| [08:39:57] | SteveGoodey: | Yeah good point. Also it looks a real mess with these things hanging out the back of the PC, not very elegant. |
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| [14:15:35] | yunosh: | hi, is rating for the new recommendations feature in mythweb working for anyone? |
| [14:15:42] | yunosh: | i get a 404 for receiving the current rating and a 500 for setting it |
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| [17:45:02] | tgm4883: | where is the best place to go to troubleshoot in-kernel IR support? |
| [17:45:34] | tgm4883: | I can't get any keypresses to work on 3.11.0-14-generic (ubuntu 13.10 |
| [17:46:05] | tgm4883: | although it seems to see the receiver fine |
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| [18:07:40] | mengoshmink: | time to break my myth install, eek |
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| [18:44:10] | Madfactor: | Anyone available to answer Ceton Infinitv questions? |
| [18:44:29] | wagnerrp: | not usable |
| [18:44:55] | Madfactor: | Not even for CleanQAM? |
| [18:45:04] | Madfactor: | CLear I mean... |
| [18:45:07] | wagnerrp: | you're on Insight. Insight means Time Warner, which in turn means everything is locked down |
| [18:45:24] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that *might* be clear is the local channels, which you can pick up with an antenna anyway |
| [18:45:56] | Madfactor: | I already use a Hauupuage 1250 to get all the boxless/local HD channels |
| [18:46:24] | Madfactor: | I wanted to use the InfinitiTV to do the same, just with four input channels. |
| [18:46:39] | Madfactor: | Not concerned with encrypted QAM. |
| [18:47:23] | wagnerrp: | without a cablecard installed, it will work in clear qam mode |
| [18:47:40] | wagnerrp: | however cable companies have not had to transmit local channels unencrypted for over a year |
| [18:47:50] | wagnerrp: | many have already begun encrypting them |
| [18:47:56] | Madfactor: | That is what I thought... I have having a bear getting it to work. |
| [18:48:03] | Madfactor: | Not in my market. |
| [18:48:08] | wagnerrp: | not yet |
| [18:48:33] | wagnerrp: | no sense buying something when there's a good chance you will not be able to use it in the not-distant future |
| [18:48:40] | wagnerrp: | the infinitv cards cannot be used with an antenna |
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| [18:48:50] | Madfactor: | I already have the card. |
| [18:48:57] | Madfactor: | It is in my server. |
| [18:49:14] | Madfactor: | I am trying to get it working RTP. |
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| [18:49:29] | wagnerrp: | i know the hdhomerun prime will function as a standard hdhomerun if there is no cablecard installed |
| [18:49:56] | wagnerrp: | i don't know if mythtv's support of that card is set up to work that way, or if they assume a cablecard |
| [18:50:09] | Madfactor: | My main server is CentOS/Xen 4.2.2, PV. I haven't upgraded my mythtv setup since 2006. |
| [18:50:33] | Madfactor: | I have to use it that way... if not, I will just have to scrap MythTV and move to Windows. |
| [18:50:33] | wagnerrp: | so you're still using 0.18? |
| [18:51:09] | Madfactor: | Maybe 2008 then, it is a newer version that 0.18... |
| [18:51:23] | wagnerrp: | that might be 0.21 or 0.22 |
| [18:51:38] | wagnerrp: | either way, long before that card even existed, much less mythtv having support for it |
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| [18:52:08] | Madfactor: | Right, I am redoing the MythTV installs anyway... on my new server. |
| [18:52:28] | Madfactor: | Already have 0.27 compiled, mythbackend functioning. |
| [18:52:35] | wagnerrp: | you're going to have a bear of a time getting physical hardware working within Xen |
| [18:53:04] | wagnerrp: | virtual machines are not intended to be used with physical hardware |
| [18:53:05] | Madfactor: | The WIFI mentions RTP support for the Ceton cards, and what to do in mythtv-setup to get it to work. I am just wondering if I am missing something. |
| [18:53:41] | wagnerrp: | the inifitv cards are actually network cards, with the recording hardware existing on the opposite end of an internal network bridge |
| [18:53:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv accesses data over an RTP stream |
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| [18:54:30] | Madfactor: | Look, I don't need to a lecture on the philosophy of server engineering, I am a server engineer by trade... I am looking specifically for information regarding MythTV, Ceton, and RTP functionality. |
| [18:54:46] | wagnerrp: | right, i'm explaining why it claims you're using RTP |
| [18:54:54] | wagnerrp: | but you're not using the RTP/RTSP IPTV support |
| [18:55:02] | wagnerrp: | there is a custom input time specifically for ceton cards |
| [18:55:07] | wagnerrp: | s/time/type/ |
| [18:55:10] | Madfactor: | I mentioned VMs, because that is why I am using RTP, the Ceton card is setup on the host, and the VM accesses the card via RTP stream via ethernet/IP. |
| [18:55:58] | wagnerrp: | i believe there are instructions for accessing an infinitv card remotely by bridging it onto the local network |
| [18:56:10] | Madfactor: | That makes sense... |
| [18:56:16] | wagnerrp: | instructions on the mailing list |
| [18:56:18] | Madfactor: | My ceton card is already bridged. |
| [18:56:33] | SteveGoodey: | Hi, has import native recordings gone now? Can't see import/export under Optical Disks like earlier versions. |
| [18:56:38] | Madfactor: | It is already functioning, and accessible right now on my local network for all internal machines. |
| [18:57:19] | Madfactor: | I can connect it to my windows desktop, just not my mythtv VM... even though the VM can ping the card no problem. |
| [18:57:24] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /319279.html |
| [18:57:26] | Madfactor: | I am missing something somewhere. |
| [18:58:07] | Madfactor: | I can open up a browser on my MythTV VM, and open up the interface of the Ceton card. |
| [18:58:09] | wagnerrp: | although it looks like that's only setting up the bridge on the local side |
| [18:58:12] | wagnerrp: | not using it on the far side |
| [18:58:51] | Madfactor: | Networking issues have already been resolved... bridges are setup and functioning properly. |
| [19:01:16] | Madfactor: | I think my issue involves RTP functionality in MythTV itself... I might be missing a dependency or a conf somewhere. |
| [19:03:49] | Madfactor: | wagnerrp: So... The RTP/RTSP IPTV support is required to make the Ceton RTP configs work? |
| [19:05:02] | wagnerrp: | no, i mentioned it to explicitly state it was for a different purpose, not the infinitv |
| [19:05:27] | wagnerrp: | lest similarity in terms lead you down the wrong path |
| [19:05:41] | Madfactor: | Gotcha. |
| [19:06:16] | Madfactor: | I hate to have to abandon MythTV... looks like I might not have any choice in the matter. |
| [19:06:26] | Madfactor: | I have been using it for many years. |
| [19:06:40] | wagnerrp: | there's not a whole lot of people using the infintv |
| [19:06:47] | wagnerrp: | you can't expect to hop on a channel and find one immediately |
| [19:06:59] | wagnerrp: | either idle in here for a while waiting for someone who has one to respond |
| [19:07:04] | wagnerrp: | or ask for help on the mailing list |
| [19:07:36] | Madfactor: | Gotcha. |
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| [20:20:21] | Kwisher: | comcast is stopping clear qam in my area on 12/12 |
| [20:20:34] | Kwisher: | everything will be encrypted now |
| [20:20:47] | Kwisher: | bastards |
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| [21:13:29] | Korny: | Kwisher: been that way here for a while |
| [21:13:57] | Korny: | I use a HDHR prime and 2 HD HR's, never an issue |
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| [21:17:00] | Kwisher: | Korny: just got a hr last week to replace this |
| [21:17:13] | Korny: | replace what? |
| [21:17:20] | Kwisher: | connected to my antennae |
| [21:17:24] | Korny: | oh |
| [21:17:44] | Kwisher: | my internal tuners that were getting the clear qam from comcast |
| [21:17:47] | Korny: | I also subscribe to comcast, they don't copy flag much of anything other then Bravo(which I don't quite understand) |
| [21:18:16] | Kwisher: | i also use a hrprime |
| [21:27:23] | Madfactor: | Looks like the death of open source PVR is coming. |
| [21:27:30] | Korny: | Whys that? |
| [21:28:22] | Madfactor: | What percentage of the us watches only broadcast television? |
| [21:28:42] | Korny: | ? I watch cable with my myth setup... |
| [21:29:11] | Madfactor: | ClearQAM is on its way out... with that, open source PVR will go with it. |
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| [21:29:16] | Korny: | ummmm |
| [21:29:34] | Korny: | its called an antenna.... or like some of us do, a cable card |
| [21:29:55] | Madfactor: | Cablecards don't work with open source solutions anyway. |
| [21:30:03] | Korny: | Work just fine for me.... |
| [21:30:10] | Korny: | Read above |
| [21:30:27] | Korny: | I don't subscribe to premium channels |
| [21:30:50] | Korny: | I get my HD channels for free and the only channel thats copy flagged at the moment that I get is Bravo, which really isn't to much of a loss |
| [21:31:25] | Madfactor: | The only reason you could tune with a cablecard tuner is if the channels are in clearqam anyway. |
| [21:31:27] | Korny: | You can also use an HD PVR to exploit the analog hole when it comes to DRM |
| [21:31:36] | Korny: | Madfactor: No..... |
| [21:31:47] | Korny: | I have a active cable card it picks up encrpyed channels |
| [21:31:58] | Korny: | ugg my keyboard batteries are dying |
| [21:32:26] | Korny: | You need to become better educated before you make statements without backing |
| [21:33:25] | Madfactor: | Well... you need to put out a whitepaper on that setup, because it is well known that cablecards only work will certified components, and none of them run on linux. |
| [21:33:36] | Korny: | incorrect |
| [21:33:53] | Korny: | cablecards WILL work with linux as long as they are flagged copy freely |
| [21:34:34] | Korny: | ANd the HDHR prime DOES work with linux on copy freely channels |
| [21:34:54] | Madfactor: | There are very few vendors that do that, and those numbers will only decrease. |
| [21:35:06] | Korny: | the Ceton cards work as well |
| [21:35:23] | Korny: | There are very few venders who support cable cards, there numbers really haven't changed |
| [21:35:36] | Madfactor: | My vendor is TWC, everything is Copy Once. |
| [21:35:51] | Korny: | Well thats a problem with your cable vender |
| [21:36:05] | Korny: | Comcast is copy freely |
| [21:36:08] | Madfactor: | It isn't like we have a 'choice' of vendors. |
| [21:36:26] | Korny: | You do... you can get an HD PVR and do analog to digital |
| [21:36:33] | Korny: | many people do it with dish/dtv |
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| [21:37:36] | Madfactor: | Well, I have been doing ClearQAM for years with my setup too... all it takes is a minor regulatory change and it all will stop. |
| [21:38:08] | Madfactor: | There isn't any money in allowing people to do anything they want with video or audio content. |
| [21:38:36] | Madfactor: | DRM has been making a considerable impact on open source PVR, and will continue to do so. |
| [21:38:58] | Korny: | So switch to the microsoft solution |
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| [21:39:19] | Korny: | You can't fear the future, instead enjoy the now |
| [21:40:11] | Korny: | But at the current time my setup works just fine, and I've ran my DVR with just OTA, was perfectly content |
| [21:40:43] | Madfactor: | I am just trying to weigh the time investment in upgrading my layout for a something that probably won't work in another year or so anyway. |
| [21:41:23] | Korny: | well you do the HDpvr route everything should work until they get rid of component outputs |
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| [23:01:29] | buu: | Heh, broadcast television and the dvrs that go with them will die off soon anyways |
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