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| [01:31:44] | plut0: | skd5aner: you around? |
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| [02:16:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | is there like a "1channel" plugin for myth ? |
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| [14:57:16] | bsilvereagle: | is there a setting to make a tuner do an EIT scan when it's not in use? |
| [14:57:47] | bsilvereagle: | say you've got two tuners, you're watching tv with one tuner and want the other to poulate the EIT. But if a scheduled recording comes up you want the EIT populating tuner to record the show |
| [15:04:36] | dashs: | "Watch Recordings" load never finishes, Mythweb hangs and backend is not recording — this a db problem? |
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| [15:36:55] | sphery: | bsilvereagle: you need to enable active EIT |
| [15:37:05] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup (on the capture card configuration, iirc) |
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| [15:44:24] | wfann: | Morning folks. Does running mythconverg_backup.pl back up my existing recorded programs or does it backup only my system settings. |
| [15:45:21] | jm|laptop: | "The mythconverg_backup.pl script will create a database backup, compress the backup using the gzip compression algorithm, and rotate backups (keeping the 5 newest backups)." |
| [15:45:27] | jm|laptop: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . abase_Backup |
| [15:45:43] | jm|laptop: | good job too, I've about 4T of recordings, I wouldn't like 5x copy of those! :) |
| [15:46:19] | bsilvereagle: | sphery: thanks |
| [15:47:10] | wfann: | OK. I understand that mythconverg_backup.pl will back up the database. But, does that include the recorded programs? Are the recorded programs includeds in the data base or are they referenced in some other place? |
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| [15:47:51] | jm|laptop: | wfann: I see. It is my understanding that the script will back up /all/ of the tables in mythconverg, including the 'recorded' table – which has the metadata for recordings |
| [15:48:44] | jm|laptop: | the large video files themselves are /not/ stored in the database. The database refers to them, via your storage groups |
| [15:50:05] | wfann: | I appologiose for being dense, but I still don't understand. Is the actual recorded program(s) included as part of the data base or does the data base just hold a pointer to a program(s) stored in another place. If the program is tored in another place, does it have to be backed up by some other method? |
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| [15:52:26] | jm|laptop: | "Is the actual recorded program(s) included as part of the data base" No. The videos are stored as separate files, elsewhere, depending on your storage group configuration |
| [15:52:36] | wfann: | Ahhh! jm|laptop answered my qwestoion whiule I was typing. If the large video files are stored in another place, how does one back them up and then restore them in the proper place after doing a complete bottom up re-install of Mythbuntu? |
| [15:53:08] | jm|laptop: | "does it have to be backed up by some other method" There might be a script to do this for you, but it's basically just a wholesale backup operation – like you'd back up your data to an external drive, I guess |
| [15:53:24] | jm|laptop: | but – video files of recording are pretty big. Bear that in mind :) |
| [15:53:48] | jm|laptop: | wfann: mythtv is actually pretty clever when it comes to rooting out the video files |
| [15:54:10] | jm|laptop: | ideally, they should be placed in any of the directories you specify in your Storage Groups |
| [15:54:33] | jm|laptop: | that said, it has been known to be clever enough that if it doesn't find them there it will look in other places you've define, like say the Videos directory |
| [15:55:15] | jm|laptop: | wfann: backing up the video files can be as trivial as cp -ar /some/storage/directory /some/other/place |
| [15:55:25] | wfann: | I understand the size requirement. Ihave (many times) saved my video recordings from /recordings to an external drive. Whould I then just copy the recordings back from the exgernal drive into /recordings? And would the restored database understand that the rocording wee there? |
| [15:55:57] | jm|laptop: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 5.1G Apr 30 2012 23200_20120430215400.mpg |
| [15:56:02] | jm|laptop: | this is what the look like at the fs level |
| [15:56:19] | wfann: | (I get to typing and realize that my fingers are not hitting the correct keys. It's embarrassing and annoying) |
| [15:56:45] | jm|laptop: | wfann: the database records sort-of meta data – e.g. for that file I just posted it'd "remember" 23200_20120430215400.mpg |
| [15:57:21] | jm|laptop: | if you tell the database else where that your storage groups are /recordings/directory1 and /recordings/directory2 it will look in each place in turn until it finds the file with the correct filename |
| [15:57:55] | jm|laptop: | if later you hose /recordings/directory1 and /recordings/directory2 and make /new_disk/recordings/new_directory3 and place the file in there – so long as you tell mythtv that your storage groups have changed location – it should be okay |
| [15:58:14] | wfann: | If I understand correctly, this metadata is a recorded TV show that I can play in movie player (or some such) as I hae done many times. |
| [15:58:25] | jm|laptop: | no |
| [15:58:30] | jm|laptop: | I don't think that's correct. |
| [15:58:41] | jm|laptop: | meta-data is like "information about a recorded programme" |
| [15:59:10] | wfann: | Ahhh. OK. That metadata is what the database saves? |
| [15:59:13] | jm|laptop: | what channel it was on, how long it is, a synopsis maybe, is it HD and – importantly – the base filename for the programme e.g. 23200_20120430215400.mpg |
| [15:59:50] | jm|laptop: | the /file/ which is called 23200_20120430215400.mpg is something your media player could play – it's just a video file like any other really – and that's located *somewhere* where mythtv knows to look for it |
| [16:00:48] | jm|laptop: | the two are separate which very rarely does but can lead to orphans one way or the other – where there's a file that the database expects and doesn't exist or a database entry for a file that doesn't exist |
| [16:01:09] | jm|laptop: | but if you don't mess around too much with the internal workings – you shouldn't really ever face that :) |
| [16:03:59] | wfann: | I think I understand. (probably not, but hubris intrudes). If I do a mythconverg_backup.pl I get the database backup. But I still have to have all of my video files backed up separately. |
| [16:04:01] | wfann: | Understand please that I am predicating this on the idea that I'm doing a full HD scrape and re-installation of Mythbuntu and MythTV. |
| [16:06:14] | jm|laptop: | sure. So long as you take a full copy of the database and a full copy of the files and makes sure the new install's storage groups point to wherever you restore the files to, you should be okay |
| [16:07:33] | sphery: | wfann: yeah, like jm|laptop said, all you have to do is put the recordings in any directory in any Storage Group defined on your system and they will be found |
| [16:07:53] | jm|laptop: | hi sphery |
| [16:08:07] | sphery: | the only thing you can't do is move a recording between backends (assuming the backends have separate file systems and don't have access to each others' file systems) |
| [16:08:41] | jm|laptop: | s/can't/shouldn't/ ;) |
| [16:08:53] | jm|laptop: | reparation aside |
| [16:09:27] | sphery: | jm|laptop: hello |
| [16:09:56] | sphery: | well, can't do and expect mythtv to find the recording, anyway :) |
| [16:10:14] | jm|laptop: | and we don't condone access the database directly |
| [16:10:23] | sphery: | wfann: however, that does make a very important point--make the new system (after complete reinstall) use the same host name as the previous |
| [16:10:37] | wfann: | OK. I think I've got it. |
| [16:10:39] | wfann: | Step 1- Move a backup copy of all of my recorded TV shows to an external HDD. |
| [16:10:40] | wfann: | Step 2- do mythconverg_backup.pl Again storing the backup on the external HDD. |
| [16:10:42] | wfann: | Step 3- Scrape and reloade the OS (Mythbuntu) |
| [16:10:43] | sphery: | because hosts are identified by host name |
| [16:10:43] | wfann: | Step 4- Reinstall MythTV. |
| [16:10:45] | wfann: | Step 5- Restore the backup database from the exteernal HDD. |
| [16:10:46] | wfann: | Step 6- Copy the saved TV recordings to the correct directory. |
| [16:10:48] | wfann: | Does this sound right? |
| [16:10:59] | sphery: | correct |
| [16:11:14] | sphery: | for step 4, use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database |
| [16:11:30] | jm|laptop: | . o O ( 5 ) |
| [16:11:34] | sphery: | (as mythbuntu install will put a blank DB in there for you and you want to replace it with yours) |
| [16:11:40] | sphery: | er, yeah, for step 5 :) |
| [16:12:16] | sphery: | I just happened to be counting with a 0-based index and forgot to convert to his 1-based :) |
| [16:12:20] | jm|laptop: | hehe |
| [16:12:46] | wfann: | OK Guys. I think I got it. I thank you for your patience and your assistance. |
| [16:12:47] | jm|laptop: | that's not the 0th time that's caught you out! |
| [16:17:49] | wfann: | Well – it's time to get the daily errands done. Thanks again. wfann out. |
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| [16:20:30] | sphery: | hehe, 0th time :) |
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| [18:19:15] | darkdrgn2k: | do you think now that netflix is goign HTML5 we will see a myth netflix addon? |
| [18:43:24] | buu: | NEVER WE ARE DOOMED FOR ALL ETERNITY |
| [18:52:55] | qu: | Anyone know whether commercial cut is fixed yet for H.264? |
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| [19:11:24] | qu: | {crickets} |
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| [19:56:31] | namitutonka: | any use or luck with mythtv-windows-x86-v0.25.3-40-geb98aad |
| [19:57:59] | namitutonka: | mythtv-windows-x86-v0.25.3-40-geb98aad is 64-bit |
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| [23:16:11] | plut0: | skd5aner: you there? |
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| [23:27:29] | namitutonka: | Well, still no anything on mythtv-windows-x86-v0.25.3-40-geb98aad? How about hardware suggestions that are on the moderate end of the economic spectrum? |
| [23:27:46] | namitutonka: | mythtv-windows-x86-v0.25.3-40-geb98aad is 64-bit |
| [23:28:19] | namitutonka: | i.e. Windows 7 |
| [23:28:38] | namitutonka: | Hardware suggestions? |
| [23:30:24] | namitutonka: | Guess I could dual boot into Mythbuntu |
| [23:30:39] | namitutonka: | Hardware anyone? |
| [23:31:14] | namitutonka: | What hardware works for you. |
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| [23:34:25] | mengo: | if it has enough power to run windows 7 I suspect it will run mythtv fine, |
| [23:35:06] | mengo: | that reads as mythtv 0.25? I don't think that is supported anymore |
| [23:38:02] | namitutonka: | That currently is the only port for 64-bit |
| [23:39:08] | mengo: | oh |
| [23:39:16] | namitutonka: | Thanks mengo, I don't have any capture care, suggestions.... or if not I'll just google it. |
| [23:39:25] | namitutonka: | card |
| [23:39:54] | namitutonka: | Frontend, backend in the same box. |
| [23:40:18] | mengo: | I always bought Hauppage capture cards, they work(ed) well |
| [23:40:30] | mengo: | but I have a TurboSight one too, also good |
| [23:40:39] | namitutonka: | Cool, thanks again! |
| [23:40:42] | mengo: | but I would say it depends on your needs |
| [23:40:56] | namitutonka: | yeah |
| [23:41:10] | mengo: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hardware |
| [23:41:18] | mengo: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [23:41:30] | namitutonka: | much obliged |
| [23:41:45] | mengo: | for example the turbosight card I have is the only one I could find that would do what I wanted |
| [23:42:29] | mengo: | any reason why the backend and frontend will be on the same pc? |
| [23:43:20] | namitutonka: | A lot of the hardware suggestions/wikis are like from 2005–2008 |
| [23:44:14] | mengo: | same general rules apply, eg if you plan to record have as much hd space as you can afford |
| [23:44:24] | namitutonka: | Back/front simply to cut costs, but it would not absolutely have to be that way. |
| [23:46:17] | mengo: | I use mythtv for my video library and recording |
| [23:46:29] | mengo: | but if you just want to record this may interest you |
| [23:46:31] | mengo: | https://tvheadend.org/projects/tvheadend |
| [23:46:41] | mengo: | apparently you can use that with xbmc |
| [23:46:52] | mengo: | but I never have much luck with xbmc |
| [23:47:45] | mengo: | I have never had mythtv fe and be on the same PC but I cant see it being an issue |
| [23:48:41] | mengo: | good server and desktop PC hardware is nice, but to have a single power PC would be just as reasonable but obviously more restrictive |
| [23:49:13] | mengo: | anyway, I'm off to bed, I hope I have been of some help, good luck :) |
| [23:49:16] | namitutonka: | lots of work has been done to get xbmc working with mythtv. You have redeemed this IRC channel as a support for mythtv wantobe users |
| [23:49:40] | namitutonka: | bye happy Thanksgiving |
| [23:50:04] | mengo: | I struggle with xbmc on its own, or using it and a network library or with mythtv |
| [23:50:13] | mengo: | you too buddy |
| [23:50:39] | mengo: | I normally idle here if you think I could help anymore |
| [23:51:05] | namitutonka: | Thanks, I'll be idling myself , I wxpect. |
| [23:51:13] | namitutonka: | expect |
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