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| [00:34:51] | NewBuntu81-2: | Could any of the Recorder Options be my issue? Choices are check or uncheck for 1) Wait for SEQ start header, 2) Open DVB card on demand, 3) Use DVB card for active EIT scan |
| [00:35:12] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81–2: it sounds like something else has already opened the card |
| [00:36:19] | NewBuntu81-2: | How would I be able to tell if something else had it opened? There are no other programs open besides Mythtv and Xchat... |
| [00:37:18] | wagnerrp: | is you're backend running in the background when you're using mythtv-setup? |
| [00:39:52] | NewBuntu81-2: | When i start the backend, I get the choice to Continue, or Stop the backend. I chose to stop the backend...if that answers the question. |
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| [03:07:13] | sphery: | skd5aner: I didn't say Live TV was bad or worse now than older versions or anything... Just that any issues in Live TV are not likely a result of configuration, so someone needs to do some coding to fix them, and said you don't have to use Live TV (not that you can't/shouldn't) |
| [03:07:40] | sphery: | even if using Live TV is really akin to waste-your-life TV |
| [03:08:06] | sphery: | (i.e. Live TV vs recordings is the difference between using your computer to get work done and letting your computer do the work for you) |
| [03:08:13] | skd5aner: | well, that's assuming you always are paying attention to the TV |
| [03:08:48] | sphery: | but, hey, if people really like wasting minutes of their lives surfing through channels/listings just to finally find a show they want to see 20min after it started, more power to them |
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| [03:09:26] | skd5aner: | 98% of what I record, I want to watch... but sometimes, I don't have the time to watch something, or my attention is focused elsewhere, but I don't necessarily want to sit in a quite room |
| [03:09:30] | sphery: | well, I suppose if you're not paying attention it doesn't matter what's on |
| [03:09:48] | skd5aner: | or, I want to watch CNBC all day while I work, dones't mean I want to watch 30–60 mins at a time (delayed) |
| [03:09:59] | skd5aner: | exactly |
| [03:10:12] | skd5aner: | at the same time, I don't want to "watch" someting I recorded unless I'm going to actually watch it |
| [03:10:37] | skd5aner: | but I don't want to record a lot of "junk" and fill up my recording list "just in case" |
| [03:11:02] | skd5aner: | Also, if another 9/11 hits... the last thing I'm going to do is set up a recording rule for a news channel :P |
| [03:11:18] | skd5aner: | I'm going to turn on the dang TV and watch it... |
| [03:11:24] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [03:11:32] | sphery: | no, if 9/11 hits, I'll set up recording rules for all 5 of the news channels I want to watch |
| [03:11:41] | sphery: | and use jump to recording to switch among them |
| [03:12:05] | sphery: | and be able to rewind when I get to a different channel and hear "So that's exactly what happened." |
| [03:12:21] | sphery: | whereas you'll just have to flip to another channel and hope you finally got the timing righht |
| [03:12:54] | sphery: | anyway, though I feel it's a greivous waste of electricity to power a tv to make background noise |
| [03:13:17] | skd5aner: | to each their own... i dont think anyone would argue that scheduling is by far the primary feature, and that livetv (by definition |
| [03:13:23] | sphery: | you'll likely see a feature come from me that will make that easy to do with recordings |
| [03:13:45] | skd5aner: | ...) is a second class citizen, and thats ok |
| [03:13:48] | sphery: | basically with smart, pre-created playlists |
| [03:14:13] | skd5aner: | (typing with one hand, feeding baby... pardon slowness and typos) |
| [03:14:18] | sphery: | I actually don't have a problem with anyone's using Live TV |
| [03:14:40] | sphery: | I do have a problem with people complaining, "Live TV sucks, so I can't use MythTV," and not even entertaining the idea that Live TV isn't necessary |
| [03:15:15] | skd5aner: | Well, prior to 0.26, I think anyone who flew the "Live TV sucks" flag had merrit, I don't really believe that anymore |
| [03:15:31] | sphery: | (even if they never figure out how much more efficient things are when not using Live TV, at least realizing that "Then don't do that," is a perfectly valid answer to, "Doctor, it hurts when I watch Live TV." :) |
| [03:16:24] | sphery: | yeah, I'll agree it's much improved in recent versions, though |
| [03:16:46] | sphery: | and even if I didn't say it's bad, I'm glad you said it's much better in 0.27 |
| [03:16:57] | skd5aner: | and that's what I was really trying to get across in my reply to that email thread... he sounded like he was pre-emptively knocking it – maybe based on past experience, but I was a little dissapointed that your reply made it sound like TV still sucked because the devs didn't really care about it – lots of devs have stepped up and given it some TLC :) |
| [03:17:06] | sphery: | perhaps it will get some of these 0.23 people to upgrade |
| [03:17:09] | skd5aner: | and, "it doesn't suck anymore" TM :) |
| [03:17:14] | sphery: | hehe |
| [03:17:28] | sphery: | yeah, it is a very important point to make |
| [03:17:35] | sphery: | I probably should have at least mentioned the improvements |
| [03:17:42] | skd5aner: | that's the message I wish I would have heard from you, but that's ok... I'm not upset or anything, just wanted to add that perspective to the thread |
| [03:17:52] | sphery: | right |
| [03:17:55] | sphery: | and I'm glad you did |
| [03:18:21] | sphery: | anyway, get back to the baby |
| [03:18:25] | sphery: | didn't mean to interrupt |
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| [03:18:34] | sphery: | and good night (and, again, congrats! :) |
| [03:19:04] | skd5aner: | Actually, my last actually true "beef" with MythTV was the EPG performance in Live TV, and stichnot has nearly solved that last week and backported it even... so, I honestly have no more huge complaints on my list about Live TV or MythTV in general |
| [03:19:16] | sphery: | nice |
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| [03:19:30] | sphery: | oh, btw, I'm still considering what to do for cable |
| [03:19:34] | skd5aner: | lots of "nice to haves" and bug fixes, and other tweaks – but that EPG performance in MythTV made it look like a dog compared to every other STB/DVR in the market |
| [03:20:12] | sphery: | though I don't like the HD-PVR (which is my only option--with Dish/DirecTV/Brighthouse cable) |
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| [03:20:36] | sphery: | but basically, we'll have to pay $8/mo for the TV box |
| [03:20:50] | sphery: | and it's $11.95 for DVR service |
| [03:21:17] | skd5aner: | btw, you're analogy is great about... I felt like someone was complaining that they want to play tennis, but their elbow hurts every time they swing the racquet, and your response was "Well, don't swing the racquet, just watch the pros play" :) |
| [03:21:22] | skd5aner: | s/about/above |
| [03:21:30] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [03:21:54] | sphery: | so if we just get one box/one TV with ESPN, I'll probably use the cable co DVR rather than upgrade systems to work with the HD-PVR and suffer the elevated stress from having to rely on the unreliable-by-design USB2 |
| [03:22:08] | skd5aner: | Wife took over baby duties, I'm handsfree again ;) |
| [03:22:18] | skd5aner: | slow to read though... haha |
| [03:22:47] | skd5aner: | I have BHN... they're identical to TWC basically |
| [03:22:58] | skd5aner: | they are a lot better in the customer service department though |
| [03:23:17] | sphery: | but if we want ESPN on 2 TVs ($8/box + $11.95 DVR), then it's an extra $20/mo, and I'll consider the HD-PVR |
| [03:23:19] | skd5aner: | but, still flag everythign as copy once, so an HDHR Prime with cablecard is useless |
| [03:23:33] | sphery: | just wish HD-PVR was network recorder, like HDHR |
| [03:23:41] | skd5aner: | Tomorrow I'm going to install a second HD-PVR to an STB |
| [03:23:59] | skd5aner: | Finally am recording about 60% of stuff from my HD-PVR, mainly kids shows and some primetime stuff |
| [03:24:15] | sphery: | yeah, is it true Brighthouse is going to encrypt everything (and require a box for every TV @ $8/box) |
| [03:24:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: devinheitmueller was actually discussing setting up a packaged distro on one of those mini-ARM units that would capture from an HDPVR and broadcast it back out using the HDHR protocol |
| [03:24:53] | skd5aner: | a few years ago, it was maybe 15%, everything else was QAM or Analog Cable (2–99) – although I'm about ready to pull the analog cards out – I just can't make myself watch that crappy PQ... the hauppage cards just never had a good picture quality, even for analog |
| [03:25:03] | sphery: | I think I saw an insert that said that anyone with a direct cable connection would need to get a new box |
| [03:25:18] | skd5aner: | I will say, I had a nightmare with my HD-PVR for about 2 years... |
| [03:25:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's interesting (though still relies on USB :( ) |
| [03:25:23] | wagnerrp: | more musing on a concept than plans though |
| [03:25:28] | skd5aner: | had to buy Beirdo's HD-PVR killer... |
| [03:25:43] | sphery: | I want to cut out the USB infection, then I'd be happy with the HD-PVR |
| [03:25:49] | skd5aner: | then, I realized it was bad caps in the AC adapter... got that replaced, and I haven't had a failure in over a year now |
| [03:25:51] | sphery: | maybe I should contact the SiDust guy... |
| [03:26:03] | wagnerrp: | i'm thinking of doing that myself with a little beaglebone, rather than turn one of my dedicated frontends into a combo backend |
| [03:26:06] | sphery: | who was he (remember him from the list before SiDust) |
| [03:26:38] | skd5aner: | Live TV with the HD-PVR though, is not fun – it takes too long for the STB to stablize enough for the HD-PVR to stabilize enough |
| [03:26:44] | skd5aner: | recordings though, just fine |
| [03:26:45] | wagnerrp: | he's one of the hauppauge guys (or something of that sort) |
| [03:27:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?author=3 |
| [03:27:32] | sphery: | skd5aner: interesting... it does seem that many of the issues have been worked out |
| [03:27:38] | sphery: | but still... |
| [03:27:49] | skd5aner: | I don't know if BHN is going to encrypt everything or not, I have not gotten a notice about that... They do use SDV, but that doesn't really apply unless you use CC which isn't applicable to MythTV |
| [03:27:56] | skd5aner: | Comcast is already encrypting everything |
| [03:27:58] | sphery: | It was Nick someone |
| [03:27:59] | skd5aner: | not sure about TWC |
| [03:28:00] | sphery: | went by jafa |
| [03:28:11] | skd5aner: | (sorry, I'm REALLY slow on reading the channel here) |
| [03:28:13] | sphery: | oops, just pinged him--still goes by that, I guess |
| [03:28:24] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah... the SD guy in here is ja fa |
| [03:28:30] | wagnerrp: | thought you were asking who devinheitmueller was |
| [03:28:57] | sphery: | oh, no, was trying to remember SiDust guy's name |
| [03:29:16] | sphery: | anyway, would love to see a networked analog->H.264 recorder from them |
| [03:29:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: my FE is a SBE too, works fine for me and I can always use the STB directly through the receive/TV if needed via HDMI and/or Component pass-thru |
| [03:29:45] | sphery: | or analog -> MPEG2, I suppose, if that works |
| [03:30:09] | wagnerrp: | i like to be able to put my FEs into standby |
| [03:30:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: so, is it getting harder to get cable co STBs with Composite out? |
| [03:30:19] | sphery: | er, Component |
| [03:30:24] | wagnerrp: | i don't feel like fiddling with scheduled wakeups when they conflict with a local backend |
| [03:30:25] | sphery: | analog output of HDTV |
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| [03:31:02] | sphery: | that was another worry of mine--that I wouldn't be able to get an STB with Component and would get one with only HDMI or something |
| [03:31:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I tried that a few years ago and found that the standby stuff within myth didn't handle SBE/FE combos at all |
| [03:31:47] | skd5aner: | sphery: no... all of them still have STBs with Composite out |
| [03:31:58] | sphery: | ah, that's good to know |
| [03:32:00] | skd5aner: | heard no plans of that changing anytime soon honestly |
| [03:32:11] | skd5aner: | doesn't mean that they won't though, haha |
| [03:32:12] | sphery: | I actually have to call the cable co, tomorrow, to see what our options are |
| [03:32:34] | skd5aner: | heck – most cable companies still give you the option of requesting a fireware capable STB, but most of the CSRs have NO idea what you are asking |
| [03:32:34] | sphery: | and how much it will cost us |
| [03:32:42] | skd5aner: | they assume you are an idiot and mean "HDMI" |
| [03:32:46] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [03:33:11] | skd5aner: | and, I use the built-in firewire channel changing script to change my STB's channels rather than an IR blaster and script – works great |
| [03:33:20] | sphery: | "that guy must have been drinking too much fire water; I think he means HDMI" |
| [03:33:23] | skd5aner: | I have a Cisco STB |
| [03:33:41] | sphery: | didn't cisco sell their stb business? |
| [03:33:56] | skd5aner: | it's the default one that BHN issues that isn't their DVR |
| [03:34:09] | skd5aner: | Cisco bought someone originally I thought |
| [03:34:16] | sphery: | oh, maybe that's the way it went |
| [03:34:23] | skd5aner: | Cisco is getting out of the linksys business |
| [03:35:04] | sphery: | I'm still wondering what Cisco meant when they said they'd open source thir H.264 video codec and "not pass on our MPEG LA licensing costs for this module" |
| [03:35:11] | sphery: | http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-sou . . . riers-webrtc |
| [03:35:17] | skd5aner: | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r26916109-STB . . . ss-~start=60 |
| [03:35:53] | [R]: | sphery: the whole thign confused me... cuz it talked abouty open soruce... but then it talked about binaries |
| [03:35:57] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I think it was SA I was thinking about |
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| [03:36:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: from what i understand, they are eating the licensing cost of the binaries |
| [03:36:34] | sphery: | [R]: no joke... and "not pass on our MPEG LA licensing costs for this module" doesn't mean, "We'll pay for the entire world's licensing!" does it? |
| [03:36:38] | wagnerrp: | but if you want to use the source directly, you're on your own |
| [03:37:48] | tonsofpcs: | the cisco thing? |
| [03:37:59] | sphery: | hmmm... will be interesting to see what happens |
| [03:37:59] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:38:14] | tonsofpcs: | never saw a clear statement on it. Everyone was all like "OMG that means no licensing ever!" but I doubt that's what it really means |
| [03:38:51] | wagnerrp: | for the binaries, apparently |
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| [03:40:35] | sphery: | and here I was just getting excited about the follow on to theora (whose name I forgot) |
| [03:40:52] | sphery: | hope it doesn't derail that |
| [03:41:12] | sphery: | (well, not that vorbis/theora were ever really railed) |
| [03:41:54] | sphery: | Daala |
| [03:42:03] | sphery: | I'd buy that for a Daala |
| [03:42:06] | sphery: | https://xiph.org/daala/ |
| [03:42:29] | wagnerrp: | did they do that in the remake? |
| [03:42:39] | wagnerrp: | surely they had that show in the remake... |
| [03:42:55] | sphery: | hehe, I haven't seen the remake, yet |
| [03:43:02] | sphery: | will hav eto do the original then the remake |
| [03:44:55] | sphery: | oh, the remake isn't out, yet |
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| [03:47:08] | sphery: | hmm, no Bixby Snyder on the cast list at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234721/fullcredits |
| [03:48:11] | jafa: | my ears are burning |
| [03:51:20] | jafa: | sphery skd5aner wagnerrp – anything I can help with? (Nick from Silicondust) |
| [03:51:47] | wagnerrp: | just discussing wanting a network-attached HDPVR |
| [03:51:48] | skd5aner: | jafa: fantasizing about a mythical device we wish you made... haha |
| [03:52:28] | jafa: | ah |
| [03:52:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery didn't know you were actually in channel to get pinged when he mentioned your name |
| [03:52:52] | jafa: | something about analog to h.264 network attached? |
| [03:53:16] | skd5aner: | component HD capture device that's network attached rather than USB attached |
| [03:53:24] | wagnerrp: | well, HD analog to network. codec was not important |
| [03:53:34] | skd5aner: | codec doesn't matter – you're choice |
| [03:53:40] | skd5aner: | haha, slow typer tonight I am |
| [03:54:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: do you know if hauppage even makes the HD-PVR 1 now that the 2 is out (and unsupported in linux)? |
| [03:54:33] | wagnerrp: | still makes? no idea... i bought one off amazon new about two months ago |
| [03:54:45] | skd5aner: | gotcha |
| [03:54:51] | jafa: | what is it selling for these days? |
| [03:55:00] | wagnerrp: | i think i paid $160 |
| [03:55:17] | jafa: | ok, not bad |
| [03:56:04] | skd5aner: | I think silicondust could easily market an even better one for $150 wink wink ;) |
| [03:56:05] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [03:57:29] | jafa: | a lot of $ for a single channel product, and not sure 2 channels is useful |
| [03:57:45] | jafa: | what are you connecting? |
| [03:57:48] | skd5aner: | jafa: on a serious note – your hdhrs have been rock solid for me, I've got one of the originals and a prime (in QAM mode right now). Thanks for offering a steller product that works great for folks like us who still want to use opensource offerings |
| [03:58:07] | jafa: | great to hear |
| [03:58:09] | skd5aner: | cable/satellite STBs |
| [03:58:12] | jafa: | 100% mythtv user myself |
| [03:58:22] | skd5aner: | :) – which provider? |
| [03:58:28] | skd5aner: | comcast I hope |
| [03:58:33] | jafa: | ATSC + Comcast |
| [03:58:49] | wagnerrp: | i think i got one in... 2007? |
| [03:58:53] | jafa: | IR blaster to control the STB? |
| [03:58:53] | skd5aner: | see, the only way to get 100% of the channels I pay for is to capture analog HD via the component outputs of my cable companies STB... |
| [03:59:06] | wagnerrp: | picked up another a couple months ago |
| [03:59:10] | skd5aner: | Most everyone uses an IR blaster |
| [03:59:24] | skd5aner: | I happen to use firewire because it still works, but only to control the STB (not to pull video) |
| [03:59:32] | jafa: | you can't use Prime + CableCARD? |
| [03:59:36] | skd5aner: | many people's STBs don't have firewrie |
| [03:59:58] | skd5aner: | jafa: because I have the luxory of only having brighthouse networks (and before that TWC) |
| [04:00:15] | jafa: | channels are copy-once? |
| [04:00:20] | skd5aner: | so, that's no better than QAM (which is what I use one of your HDHRs and HDHRPrime in QAM mode for) |
| [04:00:22] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [04:00:26] | skd5aner: | except locals |
| [04:01:11] | skd5aner: | I lived temporarily in a Comcast market, for a few months before I bought my current house, that's when I got the prime and cablecard was a beautiful thing there with "Copy Freely" |
| [04:02:05] | skd5aner: | folks who have Satellite have basically NO option besides the HD-PVR |
| [04:02:07] | jafa: | it theory we might be able to get mythtv to record the protected content but playback would have to be through a custom client box |
| [04:02:20] | jafa: | (nasty rules) |
| [04:02:44] | skd5aner: | yea, I know your hands a tied when it comes to how to implement the standard from cablelabs |
| [04:03:17] | jafa: | for live TV the PS3 works pretty well |
| [04:03:30] | jafa: | uses DTCP-IP for protected channels |
| [04:04:06] | skd5aner: | yea... I was hoping that might be usuable for MythTV, but obviously it's not... |
| [04:04:16] | wagnerrp: | would probably need a fair bit of work to get mythtv to blindly record data that it couldn't process |
| [04:05:04] | neufeld`: | Up here in Canada, there is no such thing as a cable card. For cable television, your only choice is HD-PVR. For OTA, the HDHomerun3 works. |
| [04:05:06] | jafa: | ideal would be for a video card vendor to support protected video decode... then mythtv could do its thing and still meet protection requirements |
| [04:05:39] | wagnerrp: | ideal would be drop the protection requirements, but that's just naive hoping... :) |
| [04:05:44] | skd5aner: | jafa: ahh, there you go jafa the entire Canada market could be yours!! :D |
| [04:05:45] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [04:05:53] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: +1 |
| [04:06:00] | jafa: | ok, that is more ideal |
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| [04:07:17] | jafa: | analog / hdmi capture – how important is pass-through? |
| [04:07:43] | skd5aner: | secondary (but nice) |
| [04:07:52] | skd5aner: | jafa: out of curiousity, are you familiar with the HD-PVR? |
| [04:08:01] | jafa: | sortof |
| [04:08:12] | skd5aner: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [04:08:25] | jafa: | component HD capture if I remember correctly. usb to pc |
| [04:08:34] | skd5aner: | it does do passthrough, which is nice, especially when you want to use it for non-recording purposes |
| [04:08:40] | skd5aner: | yes, correct |
| [04:08:53] | wagnerrp: | of course mythtv typically isn't to happy with that |
| [04:08:59] | skd5aner: | right... |
| [04:09:07] | wagnerrp: | but it's nice for the device's intended purpose of video game capture |
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| [04:09:35] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: it's also nice when mythtv is "broken" – which, unfortunately, has been the case for me more than a handful of times in the 5+ years since I've had the HD-PVR |
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| [04:10:17] | skd5aner: | also, sometimes if I have guests staying for days, I will occasionally just turn off my slave backend, and allwo them to just "use TV" so I don't have to worry about fielding mythtv questions or having them delete my recordings, or asking why live tv doesn't work well, blah blahbalh |
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| [04:10:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we really aught to have some kind of access controls on the frontend |
| [04:10:51] | skd5aner: | (not bad mouthing mythtv, I usually try to show it off every chance I get – but there are a few select guests that can't handle more than the basics and and STB is about as advance as they can handle) |
| [04:12:42] | skd5aner: | jafa: basically, it takes the incoming signal, encodes it (to h.264 in their case), and plops it on the HD via USB2. It is capable of sensing incoming resolution (480, 720, 1080) and outputing in that same resolution, or you can lock it in to a specific output resolution, so it will scale when it encodes too if needed |
| [04:12:49] | skd5aner: | that's the highlights |
| [04:13:09] | wagnerrp: | you can lock it to an output resolution? |
| [04:13:14] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yup |
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| [04:13:20] | wagnerrp: | i thought you locked the STB to a resolution |
| [04:13:31] | wagnerrp: | and the HDPVR just dutifully followed |
| [04:13:57] | jafa: | is it still common to see STBs with component video? |
| [04:14:38] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I think you are correct, I mispoke... |
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| [04:15:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I was confusing that with the bitrate – you can either have variable bitrate based on resolution and content, or constant bitrate |
| [04:15:32] | skd5aner: | jafa: yes, in TWC, Comcast, and BHN at least – because I've had all three in the last 3 years |
| [04:15:38] | skd5aner: | (with their default STBs) |
| [04:16:12] | skd5aner: | also, I know people with DISH and DirectTV that have those outputs as well, but I haven't seen a recent dish STB, so I don't know 100% on that one |
| [04:16:31] | wagnerrp: | i know directv's current units do component |
| [04:16:59] | [R]: | the one i had needed a carppy adapter |
| [04:17:00] | skd5aner: | yea, my folks just got the "genie" units or whatever they are and still have component output on them |
| [04:17:11] | skd5aner: | [R]: for which provider? |
| [04:17:18] | [R]: | direct |
| [04:17:23] | skd5aner: | and how old was the unit? |
| [04:17:28] | [R]: | brand new |
| [04:17:31] | wagnerrp: | just a breakout cable? |
| [04:17:32] | [R]: | like 2 years ago |
| [04:17:34] | [R]: | yeah |
| [04:17:36] | [R]: | but it was a mini din |
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| [04:17:39] | [R]: | and it never made good contact |
| [04:20:16] | skd5aner: | jafa: don't get me wrong, the HD-PVR is a great product, but they're the only player that provides that functionality that I'm aware of. Also, they just came out with the HD-PVR 2 which has HDMI ports and has a chipset that has 0 support in linux, so who knows how long the HD-PVRs will be made/available? |
| [04:20:44] | wagnerrp: | that's not entirely true |
| [04:20:53] | wagnerrp: | only effectively true |
| [04:21:29] | skd5aner: | and... your networked recorders (while I was skeptical at first at the idea many years ago) are by far and away the best framework for getting video to a server (imho) |
| [04:21:42] | skd5aner: | anyway – I gotta run, good chatting with you jafa :) |
| [04:22:31] | jafa: | good talking |
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| [04:39:08] | jya: | hmmm.... ifs on linux actually gives pretty good performance in the end... sometimes better than freebsd ! may use linux then... |
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| [08:57:50] | buu: | So can I convince mythtv to use an external ffmpeg for videos? |
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| [08:58:01] | buu: | Other than just adding 'playcommand = ffplay' or something? |
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| [09:45:24] | buu: | Also |
| [09:45:39] | buu: | Is there a way to compile source based plugins without the mythtv sources? |
| [09:45:44] | buu: | Like if I used an ubuntu package.. |
| [09:46:00] | buu: | or do I fetch the package source, compile against that, then install in my running install? |
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| [11:41:31] | sphery: | buu: There's no way to use external ffmpeg for playback or recording in MythTV. If you want to use an external player or recorder, you don't want MythTV, you want Freevo: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ |
| [11:42:12] | sphery: | MythTV is--by design--a fully integrated software DVR that allows consistent UI/UX throughout |
| [11:42:32] | sphery: | Freevo is a "string together random applications to use the pieces you want to build a DVR" |
| [11:54:24] | buu: | sphery: I'd just be happy if myth's internal player didn't crash on my video file |
| [11:55:10] | clever: | doesnt mythvideo still allow external players? |
| [11:55:28] | buu: | It has a database field! |
| [11:55:36] | buu: | But I don't care about that at the moment, I just want pandora working |
| [11:55:39] | buu: | How?! |
| [11:57:22] | buu: | I have pianod running, which is awesome |
| [11:57:29] | buu: | But how do I compile mythpianod? |
| [11:57:53] | buu: | Also is it just me or has every mythplugin stopped development like 3 years ago? |
| [12:06:57] | FLeiXiuS: | I have a feeling xbmc pvr support is going to catch up |
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| [13:02:38] | buu: | And how the hell do I make mythvideo display images for tv directories? |
| [13:02:44] | buu: | This bothers me immensely. |
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| [15:15:10] | buu: | sphery: Help! |
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| [19:37:30] | tgm4883: | would it make sense to link to our quick start guide from either the wiki or mythtv.org? http://goo.gl/S54zL |
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| [20:48:51] | Korny_: | hmmm |
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| [21:45:28] | skd5aner: | !seen bill6502 |
| [21:45:28] | MythLogBot: | bill6502 was last seen 1 day 23 hours 25 minutes 54 seconds ago |
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| [22:53:32] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:User_Manual_TOC see 'Installation -> Other Guides' |
| [22:57:08] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, thanks |
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| [23:02:44] | sheptard: | gosh darn windows only cards |
| [23:03:09] | sheptard: | grabbed an HDMI capture card I was going to try some stuff with, but no linux support for it >< |
| [23:11:22] | skd5aner: | where are the transcoder settings? |
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| [23:26:17] | skd5aner: | oh, in mythtv-setup – looks like thedocs are all outdated on the subject |
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| [23:32:33] | stuartm: | used to be in the frontend, were moved because that made no sense |
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