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[02:13:42] sphery: wagnerrp: do you have any clue what's up with the broken e-mails users are now sending... They have multipart within multipart, so I keep seeing the "outer" multipart, which is a blank line and the mailing list footer. It's almost like something (spam filter?, ISP?, our mailman?) is adding a new multipart outside the one added by their MUA...
[02:14:56] wagnerrp: pipermail and gossamer are showing the (translated) html mail
[02:15:01] sphery: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv is one of them that came through that way...
[02:15:11] wagnerrp: but thunderbird and roundcube both show nothingness
[02:15:14] sphery: er. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/556947#556947
[02:15:31] sphery: yeah, I had to look at source to see that there's something there
[02:15:48] sphery: but no clue why there are nested multipart/mixed contents...
[02:16:10] sphery: kind of annoying
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[02:23:26] tgm4883: Is lyngsat-logo.com the only place mythtv looks for channel icons?
[02:24:54] skd5aner: sphery: that 3TB HD deal is tempting
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[02:33:47] sphery: skd5aner: Is it still on... Today's newegg Shell Shocker had a 3TB OEM drive for $109.99, so I assumed the $99.99 3TB Retail Kit deal had ended.
[02:34:00] skd5aner: till tomorrow
[02:34:07] sphery: wow, yeah
[02:34:24] sphery: I got a Tosh 3TB OEM for $99.99, and it seems to work
[02:34:33] skd5aner: Might get 2, actually
[02:34:40] sphery: hehe, yeah
[02:35:01] sphery: I'm actually near full, now, and without much time to watch shows, so I probably should get another
[02:35:35] sphery: especially since I really believe I'm due for a HDD failure (which would likely mean losing 2, so only a 1TB gain)
[02:36:41] sphery: took forever to arrive, too--they've switched their "3–5 day express saver shipping" (which generally took 2 days to arrive) to use UPS Postal Innovations (or whatever it's called)
[02:36:47] skd5aner: I've come to realize that I need to archive several of my daughter's favorite series
[02:37:03] sphery: that uses UPS to ship ground to a USPS sorting center, which then delivers via USPS delivery
[02:37:24] sphery: I'm pretty sure it was > 7days to arrive
[02:37:30] skd5aner: unfortunately, they all recorded via an hd-pvr, so I can't really do accurate cuts and the video library apparently doesn't honor commflags
[02:37:58] sphery: now you have to pay for shoprunner (like $90/yr) to get the fast shipping "free"
[02:38:20] skd5aner: I very due for a HD failure...
[02:38:23] sphery: video library will honor cut lists, but you have to move those cut lists to the video library
[02:38:53] sphery: i.e. not the same table, so they have to be moved when you move the recording (which is one of the things that the mythvidexport.py script does)
[02:38:59] skd5aner: right now, in my house, I have at least 10 HDs that are 5+ years old with no failures in about 9 years at all :/
[02:39:06] skd5aner: several that are less than 5 years old
[02:39:10] skd5aner: I've been very lucky
[02:39:23] sphery: I don't know if Video Library honors skip list (detected commercials), but should honor cut list
[02:39:33] sphery: wow, you have been
[02:39:38] skd5aner: sphery: funny you mention shoprunner, I think my wife got that for a very very low price, and we never use it
[02:39:42] skd5aner: maybe I'll use that
[02:39:43] sphery: (until you just jinxed yourself)
[02:39:50] sphery: hehe, nice
[02:39:57] skd5aner: she got it for like $15 as a promo deal or something
[02:40:04] sphery: not bad
[02:40:16] sphery: I am on Amazon Prime, but couldn't justify ShopRunner
[02:40:22] skd5aner: Yea, we have prime too
[02:40:27] sphery: Don't order much from Newegg/Rakuten/...
[02:40:33] wagnerrp: shoprunner?
[02:40:44] wagnerrp: oh, is that newegg's version of prime or something?
[02:41:03] skd5aner: although, I don't pay for it, my Dad is a prime member, so I was added as a member to his prime membership. You can add up to 5 people I think
[02:41:09] sphery: it's a bunch of stores' collective version of Prime
[02:41:19] skd5aner: shoprunner is a 3'rd party service that many sites use
[02:41:34] skd5aner: pay up front for expedited shipping
[02:41:36] sphery: trying to get th elist
[02:41:52] skd5aner: https://www.shoprunner.com/stores/
[02:41:59] sphery: terrible website
[02:42:10] sphery: only works if they recognize your UA
[02:42:38] sphery: which they don't if you aren't using the word Firefox in your browser because you don't agree to the Firefox-name license
[02:43:07] sphery: (then again, nearly all Web-2.0 (or 3.0 or 4.0 or ...) sites are the same)
[02:43:52] sphery: back to using the naive 1994 UA parsing approach that lead to MS choosing to put the string Mozilla in IE's UA string
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[02:44:40] sphery: (basically, any site using any of the fancy JavaScript libraries has terrible UA parsing and doesn't work at all if they don't recognize your UA)
[02:45:32] sphery: hmmm, guess Rakuten (formerly buy.com) isn't on ShopRunner...
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[02:55:42] tgm4883: so where is this 3TB drive for 99.99?
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[02:59:40] sphery: tgm4883: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149396 , using EMCWWXW22
[03:00:04] tgm4883: hmm, nice
[03:00:14] sphery: but don't blame me if yours turns out to be garbage :)
[03:00:20] tgm4883: I was looking at replacing my 2TB drives with 4TB, but those are still $200
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[03:00:45] sphery: I just happened to be the guy who mentioned it in one of the "alternatives to mythtranscode" threads :)
[03:01:19] sphery: it's actually better price/GB than the $69.99 2TB HDD's (which are $35/TB, versus $33.33/TB)
[03:01:23] tgm4883: transcoding is too much work vs the price of a new HD
[03:01:39] sphery: this is the lowest price/GB I've seen
[03:01:44] sphery: agreed
[03:02:08] tgm4883: I've got 6TB shared between videos and recordings, and it's getting to the point where i'm recording faster than I can watch
[03:02:54] tgm4883: and I'm at 99%
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[03:03:04] sphery: especially if you factor in the value of your own time, which is wasted in a) importing and verifying or just creating cuts in the Recording Editor and b) trying to make transcoding work and verifying that the result worked, and c) deleting the ".old" recording after the fact
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[03:03:23] tgm4883: yea, I don't really want to do that
[03:03:33] tgm4883: I'd rather work on themes :)
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[03:03:46] sphery: yeah, I'm recording faster than I can watch, too, and it seems I'm going to have to start recording some more stuff (like Survivor and The Voice and ...) for my fiancee
[03:03:51] sphery: I should really just order another...
[03:04:23] skd5aner: sphery: just picked up 2 of those drives... free 2 day shipping, and just realized my credit card has 5% off right now too for online purchases... winning!
[03:04:29] sphery: I currently have 13.75 TB inside and just got a new 3TB (that's not in the system, yet)... with another 3, I'd have 19.75TB...
[03:04:42] sphery: ah, yeah, I have the 5% off, too...
[03:04:52] sphery: or 5% cashback bonus
[03:05:10] skd5aner: yea, same
[03:05:11] skd5aner: discover
[03:05:17] sphery: (which I then turn into gift cards at $45 for a $50 card..., so get another 10% back...)
[03:05:24] sphery: er, 10% of the 5%
[03:05:31] sphery: so, 5.5% off
[03:05:34] sphery: yeah, mine too
[03:05:39] sphery: is discover
[03:05:57] sphery: which means it's only $94.49!
[03:06:09] tgm4883: I know nothing about toshiba drives, any good?
[03:06:10] ** sphery is buying a new one **
[03:06:35] sphery: skd5aner: you may have to face the wrath of my SO if she doesn't agree it was a good idea ;)
[03:06:48] skd5aner: ha... you found the deal first
[03:07:04] sphery: tgm4883: I got one and it seems to talk to the computer and is writable :)
[03:07:16] skd5aner: tgm4883: I haven't used toshiba drives in a long time... but never had problems back in the day
[03:07:29] tgm4883: hmm
[03:07:35] skd5aner: I used to like samsung drives the best, but alas, they sold out
[03:07:40] skd5aner: to seagate
[03:07:41] sphery: (the one I already got was an OEM white box, not a retail kit, that was previously on sale for the same price, and I've heard a lot of the white box ones were DOA)
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[03:07:51] sphery: I've heard the retail ones seem to be good, though
[03:08:21] sphery: and Hitachi is now WD, right?
[03:08:28] sphery: didn't Tosh sell out, too?
[03:08:45] skd5aner: sphery: I didn't even realize this was the retail kit... amazing price for that
[03:08:58] skd5aner: I can't remember the last time I purchased a retail HD and not OEM
[03:09:10] sphery: skd5aner: definitely... another free SATA cable to add to my collection!
[03:09:18] sphery: yeah, same here
[03:09:19] skd5aner: Hitachi is WD, correct
[03:09:38] skd5aner: they (Hitachi) are also the ones who just relased the 6TB drive with helium inside
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[03:09:55] sphery: yeah, I don't trust the helium drives
[03:10:11] skd5aner: they use the name HGST
[03:10:18] sphery: they need He to stack the platters so close, and rely on it to make the drive work
[03:10:28] skd5aner: 5 year warranty ;)
[03:10:33] sphery: but He is a /very/ difficult gas to trap
[03:10:35] skd5aner: and a good backup strategy
[03:10:54] sphery: hehe, yeah, I don't do a good backup strategy for my MythTV storage :)
[03:11:22] skd5aner: yea, no joke...
[03:11:59] skd5aner: my backup strategy for all my data is actually worse today than it was 3 years ago, I really need to get back at it
[03:12:12] sphery: hehe
[03:12:21] tgm4883: I only backup the important stuff
[03:12:27] tgm4883: eg. None of my media
[03:12:40] skd5aner: My wife would murder me if I lost pictures of the first 2 years of our kids' lifes
[03:12:52] sphery: yeah, for the TV stuff, I just do "Delete and allow re-record" for all the lost recordings
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[03:13:12] tgm4883: yep
[03:13:15] sphery: and since I'm so far behind on most of the shows I watch, I often get the reruns before I get to the missing eps
[03:13:30] tgm4883: everything else gets backed up to amazon s3
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[03:13:48] sphery: (as a matter of fact, many of the shows go into syndication before I watch, which means I get missing ones from other channels that air them daily)
[03:14:20] tgm4883: sphery, you are a bit further behind than I
[03:14:32] sphery: So, hehe
[03:15:00] sphery: (meaning so far behind...)
[03:15:07] sphery: I'll never catch up
[03:15:20] sphery: with my recordings, that is
[03:15:29] tgm4883: whoa newegg, my email address is not valid for that promo code
[03:15:48] sphery: whoa
[03:15:58] sphery: never seen that
[03:16:02] tgm4883: it didn't tell me that until the screen where I was confirming my order
[03:16:11] tgm4883: eg. the last screen before making the order
[03:16:12] sphery: does the page with the drive show the same code?
[03:16:21] tgm4883: i used the code from the page
[03:16:25] sphery: wow
[03:16:47] sphery: same e-mail as the list?
[03:16:55] skd5aner: tgm4883: you using amazon glacier?
[03:17:11] tgm4883: sphery, yea. It even said it was fine on the first page
[03:17:46] tgm4883: skd5aner, No. I was using glacier for awhile, but there isn't a web site to browse my backups. (which makes me feel better)
[03:17:50] skd5aner: tgm4883: hmm, just worked for me? do you already have a newegg account under the email?
[03:17:56] tgm4883: skd5aner, I'm using S3, so a bit more expensive
[03:17:57] sphery: weird
[03:18:02] skd5aner: s3 is quite a bit more
[03:18:06] tgm4883: skd5aner, yea I already have a newegg account
[03:18:10] sphery: got a gmail or something you can use instead?
[03:18:32] tgm4883: skd5aner, yea, but I don't backup that much. It usually costs me <$2/month
[03:18:35] sphery: and just worked for me
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[03:19:13] sphery: tgm4883: on mine, the price showed as $139.99, but way down at bottom it had the -$40
[03:19:17] sphery: just need to scroll down?
[03:19:18] skd5aner: tgm4883: hmmm, that's weird... wonder why it wouldn't work – did you recently buy something from newegg where they might have considered you ineligibale to receive another deal?
[03:19:25] sphery: or did it actually say it's not valid for you?
[03:19:42] tgm4883: skd5aner, I've not bought anything from newegg since 2012. I checked my email to see if I had an account
[03:19:49] skd5aner: hmmm
[03:19:55] sphery: I think it's e-mailial profiling...
[03:19:58] skd5aner: yea, I don't buy much there anymore – amazon meets my needs :)
[03:20:13] sphery: skd5aner: are you signed up for their e-mail promos?
[03:20:21] sphery: I am... maybe you have to sign up to get the deal
[03:20:35] tgm4883: sphery, that first page says it's valid and shows the $80. Then after you get past all of the adding your credit card and shipping info, on the very last page where you confirm your order right before placing it, in very tiny red print it says it's not valid
[03:20:50] sphery: (basically let them send you the e-mail specials, then order, then cancel the e-mail specials)
[03:21:29] sphery: I know I've had issues with their web site--especially when I put an item in my cart before signing in to my account
[03:21:34] tgm4883: sphery, after entering the code, there is a checkbox to sign you up for the emails
[03:21:52] sphery: try emptying your cart, then making sure you're signed in, then adding, then going through it
[03:22:18] sphery: if that doesn't work, you may have to actually clear your browser's cookies and cache
[03:22:25] skd5aner: sphery: I think so
[03:22:30] sphery: hmmm
[03:22:35] tgm4883: sphery, I think you mean incognito mode ;)
[03:22:38] sphery: or maybe just let them send you e-mails...
[03:22:42] sphery: that works, too
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[03:23:16] sphery: though some browsers still use your existing cookies in their private modes...
[03:23:33] tgm4883: hmm
[03:23:40] tgm4883: maybe it just died?
[03:23:45] tgm4883: There is an issue with promo code EMCWWXW22. Please check promo code again or contact customer service.
[03:23:50] sphery: not sure which does which (and may be version specific)
[03:24:03] sphery: weird
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[03:26:55] tgm4883: newegg, Y U NO TAKE MY MONEY?
[03:27:20] sphery: seems they're willing to take your money
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[03:27:27] skd5aner: chat with thier support time
[03:27:29] sphery: actually even more of your money than they took from me!
[03:27:31] skd5aner: er, team
[03:28:05] tgm4883: they have a chat facility?
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[03:28:43] tgm4883: ah found it
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[03:31:24] tgm4883: their chat thing seems broken
[03:31:29] ** tgm4883 goes back to theming **
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[03:32:28] sphery: tgm4883:  :(
[03:32:38] tonsofpcs: hmm... removed one of my network attached tuners earlier today and apparently tonight's recordings all failed
[03:35:54] tonsofpcs: actually... one of them succeeded, the recording after that one has two entries: one is "1 min" "B" and the other is "" "B"
[03:36:05] tonsofpcs: (using mythweb, I took the display away)
[03:36:51] tonsofpcs: tuners are HDHomeRun Dual (HDHR3-US)
[03:37:16] sphery: "B" = bytes
[03:37:27] sphery: and no number before it means "no file"
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[03:37:56] sphery: i.e. your tuner gave mythtv no data at all during the entire time of the recording, and also gave no errors
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[03:39:55] wagnerrp: removed, how?
[03:40:30] wagnerrp: as in you disconnected it from the network?
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[03:41:39] sphery: or deleted from mythtv-setup?
[03:43:29] tonsofpcs: disconnected from network
[03:44:02] sphery: what version of mythtv?
[03:44:13] wagnerrp: mythtv does not have any mechanism to ensure a network tuner is actually available
[03:44:14] sphery: sounds like an older version that maybe didn't have the signal monitor changes
[03:44:17] tonsofpcs: 0.25 with some fixes.
[03:44:18] wagnerrp: it will just outright fail
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[03:44:47] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp: interesting. I recall something during setup describing that it would try a different tuner if a tuner was unavailable...
[03:44:47] sphery: 0.26 or 0.27 would probably have picked up the failure with the signal monitor timeout, right?
[03:45:09] wagnerrp: if a physical tuner is unavailable, so there is no device node for it
[03:45:18] wagnerrp: mythtv does not ping network tuners to achieve the same effect
[03:45:40] sphery: only way it will try a different tuner if a tuner is "unavailable" is if you define "unavailable" to mean, "the remote backend to which it is connected is not running"
[03:46:42] sphery: it actually disables non-network tuners if the device node is missing?
[03:46:56] wagnerrp: either that, or it refuses to run outright
[03:47:06] sphery: ah, yeah, that sounds right
[03:47:16] tonsofpcs: any way I can flag a tuner as unavailble via mythweb or a command line?
[03:47:35] sphery: tonsofpcs: no, you need to use mythtv-setup to delete the capture card
[03:47:39] tonsofpcs: I don't want to remove it permanently as it will be readded in under a week (I'm moving, I moved the tuner ahead of time to configure the antenna)
[03:47:43] wagnerrp: you can lock the tuner temporarily
[03:47:47] sphery: hit D after selecting the appropriate card
[03:47:50] wagnerrp: but that will be flushed the next time you restart the backend
[03:47:58] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp: that would be perfect!
[03:48:08] tonsofpcs: because next time I restart it will ahve the tuner back :D
[03:48:32] sphery: and note that deleting a capture card is no big deal--when you re-add it, you just re-connect the Video Source to the Input under Input Connections, and no need to re-scan/re-fetch channels
[03:48:38] tonsofpcs: so how do I lock a tuner?
[03:49:07] wagnerrp: as long as you don't have any fancy diseqc settings or anything (and an hdhr would not), it's all of about 30 seconds to add a tuner back
[03:49:18] wagnerrp: perhaps slightly more if you have to fiddle with ordering
[03:49:32] tonsofpcs: I'd have to fiddle with ordering.
[03:49:36] sphery: though in 0.26+, you don't have to fiddle with ordering
[03:50:00] wagnerrp: well you still do... just in an easier manner
[03:50:05] sphery: you just set the Live TV and Schedule Order settings, rather than Delete all capture cards and then re-add them
[03:50:33] tonsofpcs: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=edP3Edtu
[03:50:39] sphery: that said, I can add my 6 capture cards on 2 different mythtv hosts (4 on one and 2 on the other) in 30s, including the time for the Delete all capture cards
[03:50:41] tonsofpcs: if that's what you mean by ordering
[03:50:52] wagnerrp: what we mean doesn't exist in your version
[03:50:57] tonsofpcs: oh
[03:51:08] tonsofpcs: anyway, I'd like to try locking the tuner. How do I do that?
[03:51:20] sphery: myth protocol
[03:51:29] wagnerrp: in your version, inputs were used sequentially, so if you wanted to adjust that order, you delete them all, and add them all back in order
[03:53:29] tonsofpcs: sphery: can I do that with telnet or ?
[03:53:35] tonsofpcs: I see the info page on the wiki...
[03:54:23] sphery: your best bet is likely the perl bindings
[03:54:45] sphery: because the python bindings are "smarter" (meaning that they release the lock when you exit the python script)
[03:54:51] wagnerrp: import MythTV; be = MythBE(); be.backendCommand("LOCK_TUNER #")
[03:55:02] wagnerrp: if you manually fire the command, none of the python's smarts are involved
[03:55:08] sphery: ah, so you can do it with a manual command
[03:55:11] sphery: cool
[03:55:17] sphery: so, yeah, easiest is ^^^
[03:56:07] sphery: and then after the move, upgrade to current mythtv and enjoy all its benefits
[03:56:25] tonsofpcs: upgrading is going to involve swapping hardware around and buying new hardware
[03:56:59] sphery: (including Live TV and Schedule Order, which would mean you could just delete the card, then re-add it in the same location in the order; and the improved signal monitor; and ...)
[03:57:11] sphery: why new hardware?
[03:58:06] sphery: or are you saying you're waiting until you get new hardware and upgrading as part of installing it?
[03:58:20] sphery: (for the "just fix it once, instead of twice" approach)
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[03:59:38] tonsofpcs: sphery: yes.
[04:00:45] tonsofpcs: ok, so I telnetted and negotiated protocol version successfully (sent the proper token and got an accept back) but I can't seem to lock a tuner...
[04:01:42] wagnerrp: well first off, you didn't telnet
[04:02:57] tonsofpcs: Well, I'm running the windows builtin telnet client.
[04:03:09] sphery: why not the python bindings, as above
[04:03:16] tonsofpcs: because I have no idea what to do with that.
[04:03:21] wagnerrp: telnet is an ascii protocol. mythtv's internal protocol is unicode
[04:03:22] tonsofpcs: I know how telnet works :)
[04:03:31] tonsofpcs: ah, crap *switches to a unicode client*
[04:04:12] sphery: tonsofpcs: on a machine with mythtv installed, type: python
[04:04:16] wagnerrp: plus telnet has its own negotiation mechanism that we do not do
[04:04:25] sphery: then copy/paste what wagnerrp gave you into the terminal
[04:05:45] sphery: and note that you can easily crash the backend if you mess up the protocol stuff
[04:06:09] sphery: so the python approach is much safer--because you're only responsible for getting the actual command right
[04:06:23] tonsofpcs: NameError: name 'MythBE' is not defined
[04:06:24] sphery: the bindings do the rest of the protocol stuff properly for you
[04:06:36] sphery: did the import work?
[04:06:55] sphery: or say that MythTV isn't available
[04:07:10] wagnerrp: oh.... 'MythTV.MythBE()
[04:07:10] tonsofpcs: that's the only error I got from that line (with 1 replacing #)
[04:07:12] tgm4883: err, why are themes done in xml almost the whole way then for a few screens I've got to do HTML now?
[04:07:16] sphery: you do need the python bindings installed, but they should be installed on any machine with mythtv installed
[04:07:36] tonsofpcs: MythTV.exceptions.MythDBError: Could not find database login credentials
[04:07:57] wagnerrp: run as the same user that runs the backend
[04:08:03] sphery: tgm4883: because it was decided that doing XML/MythUI theming for the recording details screen would be far too much work for themers
[04:08:12] wagnerrp: or, force the $HOME property to the home of that user
[04:08:17] sphery: and that they might enjoy the flexibility of HTML
[04:08:37] tgm4883: sphery, err, but now I have to figure out HTML? Or is there a default one I can borrow and edit?
[04:08:41] sphery: but I still want to eventually get a (good, really themable) mythui program details screen in place
[04:08:52] sphery: default and default-wide have one
[04:09:13] sphery: and, yeah, I think they're pretty much always reused by themes (no one really changed the details screens)
[04:09:34] tgm4883: I'd like to be able to automask images and have more animations
[04:09:51] tgm4883: really? all the details screens I've looked at kinda look crappy
[04:10:03] tgm4883: that said, I've only looked at Mythbuntu's
[04:10:05] tonsofpcs: am running as same user as backend (just restarted backend to be sure)
[04:10:11] tgm4883: I don't recall if I looked at steppes or not
[04:11:32] tonsofpcs: full error: http://pastebin.com/T2ZpB5cG
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[04:13:42] tgm4883: sphery, and by that, I mean just a black background with yellow and white text
[04:13:52] tgm4883: admittedly, that might just be our theme
[04:14:14] wagnerrp: tonsofpcs: whatever you do, you have to have a proper 'config.xml' in $HOME/.mythtv/
[04:14:26] wagnerrp: so either change users, or force $HOME to somewhere that has one
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[04:17:24] twiggy2cents: so is it normal that the file name for some of my recordings appear to have tomorrows date in it? My times are set so I dont know why it is that way
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[04:17:44] tgm4883: twiggy2cents, they are probably in UTC
[04:17:50] twiggy2cents: ohhh
[04:18:20] twiggy2cents: Yep they are
[04:20:56] tonsofpcs: config.xml is 0 bytes
[04:21:39] tonsofpcs: running find now
[04:23:58] tonsofpcs: /usr/share/mythtv/config.xml does exist proper
[04:24:11] wagnerrp: then set $MYTHCONFDIR to that directory
[04:24:33] tonsofpcs: inside python or ?
[04:24:41] wagnerrp: in your environment
[04:24:58] wagnerrp: export MYTHCONFDIR=/usr/share/mythtv
[04:25:51] tonsofpcs: failed to connect at ... gah. *checks find results further*
[04:26:51] tonsofpcs: nope, that should be right.
[04:27:35] twiggy2cents: where is the expire settings at?
[04:28:42] twiggy2cents: nvm found it
[04:30:11] tonsofpcs: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9pReTJUG
[04:34:13] tonsofpcs: anyway, I just deleted the tuner
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