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| [01:08:36] | Sharky112065: | haven not updated backend or frontend or done any Debian updates since May of this year. Guess I'll do those updates tomorrow and see if it fixes it. Dont know where to ask and been asking here for 2 days. I'm off to watch the news, I'll check back here again in a bit. |
| [01:09:13] | Sharky112065: | also deleted frontend cache directories and started frontend back up. Did not fix it. |
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| [01:13:26] | skd5aner: | bill6502: nice work on the SendKey stuff, thanks for the initiative! :) |
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| [02:18:20] | Sisk: | Is there a way to have mythfrontend start automatically and still have the backend on the same machine shut down when it's idle? Mythwelcome doesn't seem to be working for that. |
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| [02:29:34] | kisak: | you seem to be misunderstanding the purpose of that feature |
| [02:30:03] | kisak: | it's to make the entire computer running the backend go to sleep when there's nothing to do |
| [02:30:13] | kisak: | not the application |
| [02:31:02] | Sisk: | Yeah, that's what I'm wanting to do, but my frontend is on the same machine. Because my frontend automatically starts on boot it never goes to sleep. |
| [02:31:18] | Sisk: | At least I'm assuming it's because my frontend automatically starts. |
| [02:36:00] | skd5aner: | sphery: saw your post that you're finally getting a cable sub... |
| [02:36:49] | skd5aner: | sphery: funny though, that you're going to be willing to pay for a cable-co DVR and not simply hook up an HD-PVR to an STB... payback period would probably be about a year to do so. |
| [02:39:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: Also, you're the 4'th "key" developer I've heard say they use the cable/sat company's DVR... that's kind of scarey to think about |
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| [09:52:31] | croppa: | I am using ubuntu 12.04. Can i have sound output through analogue as well as hdmi at the same time? |
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| [10:34:52] | lapion: | hello, is there anything wrong with loading all card drivers from initramfs ? |
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| [11:22:59] | wizbit: | can mythmusic import a .m3u playlist? |
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| [12:17:30] | stuartm: | import, as in the files are local? |
| [12:17:53] | stuartm: | not yet, but it's on the roadmap |
| [12:19:53] | wizbit: | i just want to import some radio net stations |
| [12:20:50] | wizbit: | i wish mythmusic would behave like watch recordings |
| [12:20:58] | wizbit: | have all the albums on the left and the tracks on the right |
| [12:21:04] | wizbit: | nice and easy |
| [12:22:14] | stuartm: | wizbit: it can |
| [12:22:34] | stuartm: | that's the playlist editor view (just needs theming that way) |
| [12:24:34] | stuartm: | wizbit: Menu > Switch View > Playlist Editor – Tree |
| [12:25:25] | stuartm: | as for playing net radio, select Listen to radio stream > Menu > Add Stream |
| [12:26:12] | stuartm: | stick the m3u url into the URL box, give it a name and you're done |
| [12:38:39] | stuartm: | personally, I have 1500 albums, just showing "Album" "Tracks" would be useless, especially since I can't remember half of the album names |
| [12:39:07] | stuartm: | I don't even use that layout in Watch Recordings, instead I group by category (Drama, Film, Comedy etc) |
| [12:41:11] | stuartm: | wizbit: in fact you might want the 'Playlist gallery' view, if you like browsing by Album |
| [12:41:34] | wizbit: | ok thanks |
| [12:41:42] | wizbit: | i have a radiostations.m3u |
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| [12:41:48] | wizbit: | what are in a format like this: |
| [12:41:55] | wizbit: | #EXTINF:-1,SomaFM Groove Salad |
| [12:41:56] | wizbit: | http://mp3.somafm.com:80 |
| [12:42:08] | wizbit: | there are about 20 stations |
| [12:42:26] | wizbit: | moc can import that list |
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| [12:55:47] | GEEGEEGEE: | Does hadu work in mythtv? |
| [12:56:22] | stuartm: | no, it's verboten |
| [12:57:13] | stuartm: | and would break your contract with Virgin Media, resulting in civil prosecution |
| [12:58:36] | GEEGEEGEE: | I dont get TV from virgin media |
| [12:58:38] | GEEGEEGEE: | i get it from sky |
| [12:59:41] | stuartm: | well same deal, only Sky's copy protection is unbreakable anyway |
| [13:01:38] | stuartm: | but the topic of card sharing is strictly against MythTV policy on this IRC channel, or official mailing lists, MythTV does not exist to circumvent Terms of Service or to break the law – there are plenty of projects that don't take that ethical stand |
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| [15:40:41] | skd5aner: | hmmm, I'm trying to edit a custom rule I've had for a long time, but it's not letting me select "find and record one showing a day" anymore in the "schedule rule" column... thoughts? |
| [15:41:20] | skd5aner: | I only see: "Do not record this program", "Record only this showing", "Record only one showing", and "Record all showings" |
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| [15:49:24] | skd5aner: | what the heck? |
| [15:49:45] | skd5aner: | one custom rule still has the find and record one showing a day, but this one does not |
| [15:49:50] | skd5aner: | why in the world would it be different? |
| [15:53:24] | skd5aner: | weird, was able to fix it via mythweb, but it was definitely screwy in mythfrontend |
| [15:53:35] | skd5aner: | now it reflects properly in mythfrontend too |
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| [16:00:48] | BLZbubba: | is nvidia still the only realistic gpu to use for hardware decoding? |
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| [16:01:14] | BLZbubba: | because i would love to use an intel 3650 if at all possible |
| [16:01:36] | wagnerrp: | do you need hardware decoding? |
| [16:01:45] | wagnerrp: | any halfway decent processor can get by just fine with software decoding |
| [16:02:05] | stuartm: | skd5aner: "Record all showings" + "This day and time" filter |
| [16:02:41] | wagnerrp: | oh... 3650 is on an atom |
| [16:02:59] | stuartm: | atom != halfway decent |
| [16:03:02] | skd5aner: | stuartm: wouldn't "this day and time" be wrong? I want to find 1 a day, not a specific airing a day |
| [16:03:35] | stuartm: | you'd have to ask gigem |
| [16:03:53] | skd5aner: | For example, SportsCenter airs about 20 times a day across multiple networks... I just want to find 1 of them within a window... |
| [16:04:00] | skd5aner: | my custom rule gives the window |
| [16:04:59] | skd5aner: | stuartm: ironically enough, when I went in to edit it via mythweb, I selected "Find and record one showing of this title each day." on the cutom rule, and now mythfrontend shows that as an option on the rule |
| [16:05:21] | skd5aner: | and this is a rule that's been around for like 5 years in my system |
| [16:05:25] | BLZbubba: | yes i need hardware decoding |
| [16:05:58] | skd5aner: | stuartm: it has always been set up as a find and record one showing of this title each day rule, but when I attempted ot edit it, the options were more limited |
| [16:06:00] | wagnerrp: | you already have this atom? |
| [16:06:07] | wagnerrp: | or you're looking to purchase one? |
| [16:06:35] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yes, several less used rule types were dropped in favour of 'basic rule' + 'filter' |
| [16:06:50] | skd5aner: | Yup, I remember... although, the "find one a day" seems to still exist??? |
| [16:06:51] | BLZbubba: | i am researching the state of non-nvidia hardware decoding |
| [16:06:55] | skd5aner: | stuartm: ^ |
| [16:07:14] | wagnerrp: | so why not just purchase something with a halfway decent processor? |
| [16:07:16] | stuartm: | skd5aner: internally maybe, but like I said, you'd have to ask gigme |
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| [16:07:38] | stuartm: | I thought everything in the US had a programid anyway? |
| [16:07:42] | skd5aner: | stuartm: er... actually... on new recording rules it doesn't |
| [16:07:57] | skd5aner: | stuartm: ok, np :) |
| [16:09:56] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: your answers seem to indicate that nvidia is still the only option |
| [16:09:57] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I rarely complain about the simplification of settings, but I think this is much more complex to simplify the rule types and then use filters instead... seemed pretty straight forward to me the way it was |
| [16:11:05] | wagnerrp: | the only one i would even consider trusting without a software backup |
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| [16:18:39] | HEP85: | Hi @all. My EIT data does not update unless I first tune into a channel. Is there a setting where I can tell MythTV to automatically tune into channels to update EIT after starting the frontend/backend? |
| [16:20:17] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I think it was a choice between continually expanding the rule types to accommodate all the demands from (a small minority) of users, or to introduce a flexible system like the filters – once the filters were in place, there was an overlap, even incompatibility between the hardcoded 'this day' rules and the filter based |
| [16:21:23] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: i have a panel that uses embedded displayport, and Intel is the only chipset I can find to drive it. Well I did find an Nvidia Tegra embedded board that had a 900 mhz cpu and cost $500 |
| [16:21:33] | BLZbubba: | but a pci-e card to do edp is non existant |
| [16:22:53] | stuartm: | those enhanced rules are still largely only used by a few people, usually because of a short-coming in local guide data, but David can explain the rationale better than I can |
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| [16:24:13] | stuartm: | I was happy to get the simple/quick record popup I asked for in the guide, which made things so much simpler for my relatives |
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| [16:34:50] | wagnerrp: | like... a bare panel? not a proper monitor/television? |
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| [16:48:16] | BLZbubba: | yes |
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| [16:50:01] | BLZbubba: | i have a couple of places in the house where i could mount it pretty nicely but i would prefer not to do it without vdpau |
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| [17:14:47] | skd5aner: | stuartm: fyi, I do agree with you about finding the quick record popup nice and useful, especially for the wife's usage :) |
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| [18:13:14] | BlackBishop: | Hi people ! :) |
| [18:13:18] | BlackBishop: | Anyone can recommend a supported usb/ethernet dvr for europe that supports dvb-c and a CI+ cam card ? |
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| [18:14:44] | [R]: | the linuxtv website has info on all the supported dvb devices |
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| [18:16:48] | skd5aner: | !tuners |
| [18:16:54] | skd5aner: | !help |
| [18:17:00] | skd5aner: | list |
| [18:17:03] | skd5aner: | !list |
| [18:17:20] | skd5aner: | help url |
| [18:17:24] | skd5aner: | !help url |
| [18:17:30] | skd5aner: | eh, I give up |
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| [18:26:31] | BlackBishop: | :) |
| [18:26:58] | BlackBishop: | www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards ... |
| [18:27:02] | BlackBishop: | :-( Sad .. |
| [18:28:05] | wagnerrp: | as noted at the top of the list, that is not an exhaustive list |
| [18:28:59] | wagnerrp: | i'm not aware if there are any CI+ CAMs usable on PCs |
| [18:29:17] | wagnerrp: | CI+ is a DRM format, as opposed to the simple conditional access CI |
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| [18:30:33] | wagnerrp: | DRM is always going to be a problem with open source, as open source violates one of the fundamental requirements of DRM |
| [18:31:40] | BlackBishop: | yeah, still .. sad not to be able to look at tv channels on my computer .. even if I have a CI+ (pcmcia I think) card and the access card for it ... |
| [18:31:57] | wagnerrp: | there's always analog capture |
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| [18:32:28] | BlackBishop: | still, the channels are encrypted .. can't view without the CI+ card stuff in the TV |
| [18:32:53] | wagnerrp: | analog capture off a box cable of receiving CI+ content |
| [18:33:11] | BlackBishop: | I got one of those .. but it outputs hdmi only :/ |
| [18:33:31] | wagnerrp: | ask for a replacement that does analog? |
| [18:33:34] | BlackBishop: | wouldn't that be awfull dificult to control off mythbox ? |
| [18:33:51] | wagnerrp: | you use an IR blaster or similar |
| [18:33:55] | BlackBishop: | wagnerrp: they don't .. not for my tv plan :) |
| [18:34:14] | BlackBishop: | oh well :-( |
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| [19:13:26] | skd5aner: | so, I'm playing with recording groups for the first time... |
| [19:13:40] | skd5aner: | thought it might be nice to put some things in to "sports", "kids", etc... |
| [19:14:02] | skd5aner: | but, I'm not exactly finding an easy way to "filter" those out in the watch recordings screen, at least not with my theme of TintedGlass |
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| [19:14:27] | [R]: | what if you hit menu |
| [19:14:28] | skd5aner: | I can add it so that the Recording Group shows up as just another item within the show list, but that's not very convenient... |
| [19:14:48] | skd5aner: | [R]: yea, I played around with the options within menu – maybe it just behaves a different way than I would hope... |
| [19:15:17] | [R]: | i thought it was more about recording settings |
| [19:15:19] | [R]: | not filtering |
| [19:15:28] | skd5aner: | as I mentioned, I can add the recording groups to the list of shows, which I suppose is somewhat nice... but I'm wondering if there's a way where I can just filter the watch recordings screen to a specific recording group |
| [19:15:56] | skd5aner: | [R]: Apparently, it can server both purposes |
| [19:16:02] | skd5aner: | er, "serve" |
| [19:17:02] | skd5aner: | I'm curious if it's able to provide a similiar functionality to "groups", like deleted, livetv, etc... |
| [19:17:29] | skd5aner: | Right now, the watch recordings screen says "All" at the top of it – it'd be nice if I could somehow filter to different recording groups instead of just "All" |
| [19:18:06] | skd5aner: | not sure that's feasible, but I thought I'd see what I could and couldn't do – wasn't sure if smeone around here was more familiar |
| [19:26:40] | stuartm: | skd5aner: Menu x2 > Change Group View > Show Recordings Groups |
| [19:26:46] | skd5aner: | yup... |
| [19:26:52] | skd5aner: | was just about to reply that I figured it out... |
| [19:27:20] | skd5aner: | stuartm: them issue was that even though I changed some existing rules to the new recording groups, it only takes effect on new recordings, not existing... |
| [19:27:27] | stuartm: | or Change Group Filter > Group |
| [19:27:42] | stuartm: | skd5aner: ah yeah |
| [19:27:55] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I went in, forced a new recording to use one of the new groups I created, and it worked just fine... |
| [19:28:39] | skd5aner: | stuartm: my only question is... is the only way to "navigate" between recording groups within the watch recordings screen via menu | Change Group Filter ? |
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| [19:29:12] | stuartm: | skd5aner: you can move existing recordings into the groups, but it means going through the list- quickest way to do it is with playlists |
| [19:29:34] | stuartm: | skd5aner: there is a binding iirc |
| [19:29:36] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I know you can also add it to the list of shows via the "view" – but not sure I care for that since it then looses the hiearchy of shows and just shows them as a flat list based on date recorded |
| [19:30:32] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, I saw on the wiki where a playlist can be used to bulk update... I guess I assumed that was if you wanted to move ones to a recording group that didn't have a rule updated... but I see that it's basically anything pre-rule/group change |
| [19:30:51] | stuartm: | / toggles a playlist item, select all the recordings you want to move to the storage group, then Menu > Playlist Options > Storage Options > Change Recording Group |
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| [19:37:03] | skd5aner: | stuartm: fyi, I did notice that if I create a new recording group via the recording rules page, but not recordings have yet been made that leverages it, that if I then go in to the watch recordings page, and select a recording, and then proceed to try to change the recording group – the new one is not listed as an option to select |
| [19:38:53] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, that's because the recording group stuff was poorly implemented, they aren't stored in their own table, only as an attribute of a recording – no recordings and the group ceases to exist |
| [19:39:24] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, I was looking for a table in the DB, when I realized it's only stored as an attribute in the record table, and I'm assuming the recordings table |
| [19:39:41] | skd5aner: | so, not relational |
| [19:40:04] | stuartm: | yet, bizarrely when the option of passwording them was added, a standalone table was created just to store the password ... needs fixing, and probably will get fixed in the next week because it makes it impossible to handle recgroups properly in the mythweb replacement |
| [19:40:24] | skd5aner: | hehe, I saw that |
| [19:40:30] | skd5aner: | recgrouppass or something |
| [19:41:49] | skd5aner: | stuartm: fyi, my issue earlier with the "find one a day" rule was because something got borked during the update on that particular rule... fixed it manually, and other similiar rules were transitioned correctly – so no idea what happened, but I'm good to go now :) |
| [19:42:27] | skd5aner: | stuartm: had to dig in to gigem's commit where he changed it to see what was going on, and then it became pretty clear what the old/new values were and how it was handled with custom rules |
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| [19:56:21] | skd5aner: | stuartm: CHANGEGROUPVIEW I think is the keybinding – now to find a button on my remote I could use :S |
| [19:57:39] | skd5aner: | or maybe it's changerecgroup actually |
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| [20:06:26] | skd5aner: | !svn 21261 |
| [20:06:26] | MythLogBot: | SVN 21261: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ba011daf |
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| [20:09:05] | skd5aner: | stuartm: looks like jpabq had a patch that allows pageleft/pageright to cycle through recording groups |
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| [20:09:49] | skd5aner: | went in 4 years ago, I'll give that a shot |
| [20:10:17] | skd5aner: | would be nice if those were true keybindings though |
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| [20:18:22] | skd5aner: | nm, I'm blind... they /are/ keybindings :P |
| [20:20:44] | skd5aner: | stuartm: awesme, PAGEELFT/PAGERIGHT is mapped to the same button as my rwd/ffwd buttons on my remote... That'll make for a very happy wife who can now quickly get to all our kid's shows |
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| [20:48:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi ... i have X running two different monitors at different resolutions ... is it possible to have one instance of mythtv work on both monitors simultaneously? |
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| [21:03:43] | wagnerrp: | you can have two instances running on both monitors independently |
| [21:03:51] | wagnerrp: | but what you ask depends on your graphics card and drivers |
| [21:03:59] | wagnerrp: | it's not typical X behavior |
| [21:05:51] | stuartm: | I seem to remember there was a mode of the nvidia driver that will mirror the screen on two different monitors, although if they are different aspect ratios you'll have stretching or letter/pillar boxing |
| [21:06:02] | stuartm: | I don't know if it worked well with video |
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| [21:22:47] | buu: | So why is streaming live (hd) tv so much more stressful than playing a regular mkv file over the network? |
| [21:23:58] | stuartm: | depends what you mean by regular mkv, matroska is just a container, the video within could use any codec, any encoding profile and any bitrate |
| [21:25:05] | stuartm: | however broadcast TV uses a much higher bitrate on average than anything you might view online or download online (therefore more bandwidth) |
| [21:25:47] | buu: | For example this file: Stream #0:0(und): Video: h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p, 1920x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 2109 kb/s, 23.98 fps, 23.98 tbr, 24k tbn, 47.95 tbc (default) |
| [21:25:52] | stuartm: | there's also some small overhead with livetv because of the need to advise the frontend of the ever-changing file size, key-frame position maps etc |
| [21:26:44] | stuartm: | buu: that's a ridiculously low bitrate (quality) video – 2Mbps vs 9–18Mbps for broadcast HD, and 30Mbps for blu-ray |
| [21:28:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's utter garbage |
| [21:28:06] | buu: | stuartm: I think you're missinteprerting that, it should be 16mbps |
| [21:28:08] | stuartm: | in fact that's a lower bitrate than a lot of broadcast SD |
| [21:28:26] | wagnerrp: | nope, kb is kilobit |
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| [21:29:19] | buu: | I suppose h264 is vastly more efficient than mpeg2 |
| [21:29:41] | stuartm: | buu: we're talking about H.264, broadcast H.264 is 9–18Mbps |
| [21:30:18] | wagnerrp: | roughly double |
| [21:30:20] | stuartm: | and blu-ray is usually a minimum of 30Mbps but is often higher |
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| [21:30:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning... a 16Mbps HD MPEG2 broadcast would only be 8Mbps HD H264 |
| [21:31:00] | stuartm: | in the US broadcast HD is currently mpeg2, at a bitrate of 17Mbps iirc |
| [21:31:34] | stuartm: | elsewhere in the world broadcast HD uses H.264 |
| [21:31:49] | buu: | Regardless the video quality of this file is much higher than the broadcast tv over my cable, for example |
| [21:31:59] | buu: | But there's no way to get mythtv to transcode live tv right? |
| [21:32:25] | wagnerrp: | well... you can encode live tv if you're receiving raw |
| [21:32:36] | stuartm: | well unfortunately a lot of broadcasters are using crap encoding hardware that they bought for thousands of dollars in 1995 |
| [21:32:37] | wagnerrp: | but no, it will not transcode anything that is already encoded |
| [21:33:03] | stuartm: | the quality isn't what it should be for the given bitrates :( |
| [21:33:09] | buu: | Is there some way I can tell what its sending me? |
| [21:34:01] | stuartm: | and in the US I believe the situation is worse as some affiliates are messing with the stream to insert their own banners etc which only degrades the picture quality |
| [21:34:05] | buu: | I'm trying to get my frontend to display 1080p live tv at acceptable quality |
| [21:34:17] | buu: | And I'm getting kind of tearing/frames/jittery.. I'm not quite sure how to describe it |
| [21:34:26] | buu: | The network is wireless but 30MBps+ |
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| [21:36:07] | buu: | The frontend hardware is an old i3–350m, which isn't great but seems to work fine on all of these encoded video files |
| [21:36:22] | wagnerrp: | it claims it's connecting at that? or you've benchmarked it at that? |
| [21:36:30] | buu: | wagnerrp: benchmarked.. |
| [21:36:43] | buu: | Its typically closer to 50MBps but either way |
| [21:36:54] | stuartm: | there are other factors to consider other than raw bitrate, different encoding methods/profile can requires much more CPU to decode, and broadcast in particular often uses high key-frame intervals which ironically aren't very tolerant to stuff like packet loss |
| [21:37:17] | wagnerrp: | and your loss/jitter? |
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| [21:38:49] | buu: | I did notice I had two mythfrontend processes running at like 53/47% cpu |
| [21:41:23] | buu: | I tried configuring the frontend to use the 'slim' profile |
| [21:44:56] | mengoshmink: | hmm anyone up for a little help. my frontend reports that connection to the backend has timed out when everything appears to be ok |
| [21:45:09] | stuartm: | buu: two processes? |
| [21:45:14] | stuartm: | there should be only one |
| [21:45:26] | buu: | really? |
| [21:45:30] | stuartm: | yup |
| [21:45:37] | buu: | Even on a multicore system |
| [21:45:51] | stuartm: | mengoshmink: I can always use help |
| [21:46:08] | stuartm: | buu: one process, multiple threads |
| [21:46:15] | buu: | Ah |
| [21:46:38] | buu: | I was using htop, I assumed it meant process, it was probably threads then. |
| [21:46:58] | mengoshmink: | short story is that fresh install of myth 0.26 to backend, recent updated frontend to 0.26 |
| [21:47:48] | mengoshmink: | when I close the mythsetup on the backend it complains it cant write to my dvr folders but aside from that I think all is well |
| [21:48:07] | mengoshmink: | frontend starts but cant access the backend |
| [21:49:10] | buu: | My average ping and throughput seem perfect |
| [21:49:39] | buu: | I'm just triyng to find areas where I should poke and prod at this point |
| [21:50:12] | buu: | stuartm: As a random guess would you look at packetloss or cpu usage? |
| [21:55:41] | ctmjr: | mengoshmink, is the backend running? do you have any folders set up that the backend can write to, |
| [21:58:04] | mengoshmink: | Starting mythbackend: [ OK ] |
| [21:58:10] | mengoshmink: | service mythbackend status |
| [21:58:10] | mengoshmink: | mythbackend dead but subsys locked |
| [21:58:24] | mengoshmink: | my usual fix hasnt worked |
| [21:59:05] | mengoshmink: | as for any folders that the backend can write to, how can I check? I never had a problem before but there is a first time for everything |
| [21:59:46] | mengoshmink: | fixed, some of it |
| [21:59:49] | ctmjr: | mengoshmink, look in the logs |
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| [22:04:56] | mengoshmink: | strangely the logs are not saying a lot |
| [22:05:22] | mengoshmink: | I think I will come back to this tomorrow |
| [22:06:03] | mengoshmink: | I have had a lot of problems, not mythtv related, so I need to work things through, 1 step at a time, thanks for your help |
| [22:08:29] | buu: | Also while I'm asking question is there a way to configure storage groups so it distinguishes between 'live tv' and 'stored recordings'? |
| [22:08:37] | buu: | I.e. store live stuff locally and finished recordings remotely? |
| [22:09:06] | [R]: | createa livetv group |
| [22:10:29] | buu: | That's how that works? |
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| [22:11:30] | [R]: | very carefully? |
| [22:12:11] | buu: | Whats the 'Video' storage group for? |
| [22:12:17] | [R]: | mythvideo |
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| [22:13:15] | buu: | [R]: Is that where it looks for videos or stores them? |
| [22:13:27] | Clam: | thank god someone is alive in this chat. |
| [22:13:43] | [R]: | looks for videos |
| [22:13:46] | buu: | Oh |
| [22:13:49] | buu: | I see. |
| [22:14:14] | buu: | [R]: So if I'm watching livetv, then halfway through I hit record, where is the file stored? |
| [22:14:15] | [R]: | all of this is covered in the wiki... |
| [22:14:20] | buu: | It so isn't |
| [22:14:31] | [R]: | myth doesnt randomly move files |
| [22:14:42] | [R]: | so its gonig to be in the livetv grou pbecause it was livetv |
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| [22:14:53] | [R]: | both video and livetv groups are in the wiki |
| [22:16:27] | buu: | [R]: Somewhere other than the storage_group page? |
| [22:17:40] | [R]: | its right there in the page |
| [22:18:17] | [R]: | A special 'LiveTV' Storage Group may also be defined. If a LiveTV Storage Group directory exists, it will be used instead of putting LiveTV recordings in the Default Storage Group |
| [22:18:27] | [R]: | reading is hard... i know |
| [22:19:04] | Clam: | mind reading is even harder :( |
| [22:20:51] | Clam: | I'm debating if i should even continue trying mythbuntu or if i should give up. |
| [22:21:25] | buu: | [R]: Yes, obviously I read that, it didn't answer the question I asked you, but anyways. |
| [22:21:28] | [R]: | you should give up |
| [22:22:00] | ** ctmjr seconds the motion ** | |
| [22:22:13] | Clam: | what do you suggest then? |
| [22:22:16] | [R]: | giving up |
| [22:22:29] | Clam: | in addition to giving up |
| [22:22:33] | [R]: | mythbuntu spoon feeds you it like an idiot |
| [22:22:37] | [R]: | if you can't even quitre figure that one out... |
| [22:23:07] | Clam: | while i like the spoonfeeding/ease of use, it just doesnt auto configure correctly. |
| [22:26:32] | Clam: | but then again a media center shouldnt force you to start coding or learn to program either. |
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| [22:27:18] | [R]: | you need to do neither cording or learn to program to set up myth |
| [22:27:20] | buu: | Clam: What error do you see? |
| [22:27:35] | Clam: | the backend errors out before it even starts |
| [22:27:45] | buu: | Ok, what error message? |
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| [22:30:24] | Clam: | hmm |
| [22:30:37] | Clam: | i tried exiting out of the backend configurator |
| [22:30:43] | Clam: | and it was stating no channels |
| [22:30:53] | Clam: | im not getting any signals. |
| [22:31:00] | Clam: | its only at 40% |
| [22:31:04] | Clam: | and times out |
| [22:31:21] | Clam: | yet before i did the install i was capturing from WMC fine. |
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| [22:34:26] | Clam: | from the cable box to my tv it should be a traditional broadcast signal |
| [22:34:38] | Clam: | i tried scanning via qam, etc. |
| [22:34:42] | Clam: | to no avail |
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| [22:36:10] | Clam: | it amazes me that i purchase the compatible hardware and with all the coding experience linux developers have, cant make this configuration automatically work. |
| [22:36:29] | Clam: | *shrugs* |
| [22:37:35] | buu: | Clam: Which capture card are you using? |
| [22:38:20] | Clam: | Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250 |
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| [22:46:59] | ** ctmjr is amazed at the people that think a piece of free software developed by volunteers and then shared with the rest of us. Should just work on every piece of hardware known to man with no user interaction. and when it does not or their to stupid to read. they blame the developers. ** | |
| [22:50:27] | Clam: | every piece of hardware? please. i see countless threads of people trying mythtv with unsupported cards. what is the response? "well why'd you buy a card thats not supported? get one that is". |
| [22:51:38] | Clam: | so anywho buu, i plugged directly from the wall to this box. |
| [22:51:56] | Clam: | now its getting some channels. but most if not majority are encrypted |
| [22:53:17] | stuartm: | some cards feature a built-in amplifier, but it's not enabled by the driver by default, I've no idea if that's the case with the HVR-1250 but if it is, that would explain the signal strength issue |
| [22:53:22] | Clam: | not really sure why bypassing the cablebox would decrease the signal strength |
| [22:54:00] | stuartm: | Clam: well because the cable box is likely doing it's own signal boosting on the pass-through connection |
| [22:54:29] | Clam: | iim sorry i mispoke. |
| [22:54:47] | Clam: | bypassing the cablebox increased* the signal strength |
| [22:56:36] | Clam: | what throws me for a loop is though it should be able to see channel 4 and i get nada. |
| [22:56:47] | Clam: | channel 4 through the cable box. |
| [22:58:00] | Clam: | its taking a while testing the decryption but i imagine that would take a while anyways. |
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| [23:04:56] | Clam: | thanks for the info stuartm |
| [23:06:24] | stuartm: | the 'test decryption' option is only required if your provider is marking channels as encrypted when they are not or vice-versa |
| [23:07:55] | Clam: | ah i see |
| [23:08:20] | Clam: | well comcast is probably encrypting a majority of the channels. but from exiting it out it found 3 |
| [23:10:26] | Clam: | upon running mythbackend from terminal it states no valid capture cards are defined by the database |
| [23:21:33] | Clam: | do you have any experience with mythmote stuartm? |
| [23:26:00] | stuartm: | none, sorry |
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| [23:31:15] | Clam: | understandable. |
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| [23:33:41] | stuartm: | I've tried a couple of android apps in the past, but they've not lived up to expectations, once it's complete I'm much more likely to use the mobile version of the internal web server |
| [23:33:55] | Clam: | well i find it kind of interesting |
| [23:34:04] | Clam: | i tried using the latest mythmote |
| [23:34:32] | Clam: | googled up the error i was having. allegedly this error shouldnt happen anymore as it has been "fixed" |
| [23:35:03] | Clam: | but yet it stared me blankly right back at my face. |
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| [23:38:13] | Clam: | still the front end android app would be pretty flippin cool |
| [23:38:39] | Clam: | watching tv off of a tablet is pretty awesome |
| [23:39:13] | jevidl: | I have been reading the manual but I am not sure if I can use mythtv the way I envisioned. Is it possible to run MythTV as a backend only to make recordings? I would like to use it as a backend recorder and redistribute the transcoded recordings via DLNA to set top boxes in my home. |
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| [23:46:46] | Clam: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1069104 :jevidl _ |
| [23:47:08] | Clam: | it looks like it should work but you will have a problem with media types and has to be transcoded to mpg2 |
| [23:47:18] | Clam: | that is if you get farther than i did lolz |
| [23:47:50] | jevidl: | Clam: I don't mind transcoding, and would even be willing to run pled or something else. I don't see a way to setup recordings w/o a front end, though… to have anything to transcode in the first place :) |
| [23:48:37] | Clam: | yeah pretty sure you are going to need a front end to get the recording jobs in the first place. |
| [23:48:48] | Clam: | unless you can set the jobs manually? |
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| [23:49:54] | jevidl: | yeah… that seems like an awful lot of work for little pay off. I have an old atom system, perhaps I could use that for a front end w/remote. I was going to look at using one of the android ones, too… then a tablet could be used. |
| [23:50:16] | Clam: | i was told to stay away from the atom systems as a front end |
| [23:50:25] | jevidl: | doh! |
| [23:50:32] | Clam: | not enough horsepower. and i had the dual core hyperthreaded atom |
| [23:50:39] | jevidl: | sure |
| [23:50:56] | Clam: | but then again im not sure if i believe much from these support irc's |
| [23:52:05] | jevidl: | Clam: well, they tend to know more than me, at least for new stuff… but it wouldn't take much to test it. Pretty sure I have an extra hdd I could use just to test. If it's just for setting recordings, I've considered using VNC and just setting it on the backend too |
| [23:52:36] | Clam: | couldnt hurt to give it a shot |
| [23:53:00] | jevidl: | yeah, going to try the android remote as soon as I convert the IP address to static on my backend |
| [23:53:15] | Clam: | idk its like if i can run windows 7 wmc on an atom i sure as hell should be able to get mythbuntu front end working on one |
| [23:54:09] | Clam: | so i would say try it and find out. might be good to look a naysayer in the mouth |
| [23:56:37] | jevidl: | I think it depends on what format recorded TV is streamed to it… if the built in hardware video support can handle it, then it should be fine. If the CPU is needed to do playback, I could see it having trouble |
| [23:57:57] | Clam: | yeah idk |
| [23:58:20] | Clam: | i have tried dabbling a little into mythbuntu but i think im going to retreat back to the windows 7 camp |
| [23:59:50] | Clam: | at least their stuff works. |
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