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| [00:00:04] | jya: | I meant : "If that's so" |
| [00:00:33] | wagnerrp: | the disk balancer does not currently operate on SG writes |
| [00:00:45] | jya: | I've already amended the TFW class to be able to use SG; it doesn't have to write to local file anymore (though it's not used yet) |
| [00:00:46] | wagnerrp: | i think it just blindly goes to whatever has the most free space |
| [00:01:05] | wagnerrp: | or, it just goes to the first path in the list |
| [00:01:09] | jya: | I would have only one SG for the recordings; so it wouldn't be an issue |
| [00:01:28] | jya: | I don't know... somehow I like that idea :) |
| [00:01:51] | wagnerrp: | i'd talk to danielk or capt'm about it |
| [00:01:58] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, he was averse to it last i asked |
| [00:02:30] | wagnerrp: | and i do have to agree that the internal protocol is rather crude if we want to start writing heavily to it |
| [00:03:03] | jya: | for the intended purpose; it's probably just as good as NFS... |
| [00:03:14] | jya: | and I don't have to disable locks |
| [00:03:29] | jya: | haven't used NFS in years |
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| [00:15:09] | wagnerrp: | any idea what "MOVERRIDE" is? |
| [00:15:50] | jya: | move and override ? |
| [00:16:09] | jya: | overwriting that is? |
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| [00:18:03] | wagnerrp: | looks like it's some compile macro daniel has for playing with mythsystem |
| [00:18:43] | buu: | Hey, is there a clever way for running mythtv-setup without X and/or X-Forwarding? |
| [00:18:51] | buu: | Like CLI or from a remote machine over the network? |
| [00:19:08] | wagnerrp: | you can use X on a remote machine, yes |
| [00:19:19] | superm1: | Xvnc potentially |
| [00:19:34] | buu: | Would that require X on the machine actually running mythbackend? |
| [00:19:40] | jya: | buu: yes, but make sure you force using Qt painter instead of OpenGL when using X forwarding... |
| [00:19:42] | wagnerrp: | it would require the X libs |
| [00:19:49] | wagnerrp: | but not a full X install |
| [00:19:51] | jya: | doesn't work well when the OpenGL painter is set |
| [00:19:52] | buu: | ah |
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| [00:20:25] | buu: | Cool. |
| [00:20:41] | wagnerrp: | i hate it when i'm in the wrong branch and start editing files... |
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| [00:21:27] | jya: | buu: start mythtv-setup with : -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [00:21:40] | wagnerrp: | isn't it UIPainter now? |
| [00:22:14] | jya: | having said that, it may work for you without... just that if you suddenly find that a sub-screen doesn't display , that's usually a fix |
| [00:22:35] | jya: | wagnerrp: that would be new... been using -O ThemePainter=qt for ages... so maybe it does nothing now. and it's force of habits |
| [00:23:26] | wagnerrp: | do you think anyone actually runs a backend on windows? |
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| [00:23:55] | jya: | not sure... I don't see why anyone would run a backend on a mac either.. yet people do.. |
| [00:24:14] | jya: | when you have no support for ATSC or DVB capture cards; it makes the use.... interesting |
| [00:25:50] | buu: | jya: Will do thanks. |
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| [00:41:29] | skd5aner: | I run mythbackend on a server that doesn't have full X installed, just the libraries so I can compile mythtv and forward to a windows machine to run mythtv-setup occasionally |
| [00:43:10] | skd5aner: | been doing that for nearly 9 years, works well |
| [00:43:43] | skd5aner: | I like to only run what I need... that's why I always start with vanilla builds of OSs and only deploy the packages required. Ubuntu server works well for that purpose |
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| [00:52:31] | wagnerrp: | c'mon make, first time with no errors |
| [00:53:00] | wagnerrp: | error... c'mon gmake... :) |
| [00:54:52] | sphery: | buu: if you have your Theme Painter set properly--to Auto--it will use OpenGL when appropriate, but not when not. |
| [00:55:13] | wagnerrp: | bleh, forgot to update the base class |
| [00:55:26] | skd5aner: | jya: cant use network tuners such as the HDHR on backend on Mac or Windows? |
| [00:55:41] | sphery: | (of course, if you're using VNC the Windows way--meaning :0 redisplay--it will use what's appropriate for the real X server, and your VNC is the problem there) |
| [00:55:57] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: in theory? there's a whole lot of stuff that hasn't really been tested on windows |
| [00:55:57] | jya: | skd5aner: you can. |
| [00:56:00] | wagnerrp: | it might work... |
| [00:56:13] | sphery: | but using a proper VNC--where you run mythtv-setup in its own X server--it will do the right thing |
| [00:56:18] | jya: | on mac at least... can use the HLS recorder too (that's how I do all my testing) |
| [00:56:30] | skd5aner: | sphery: I never force or specify the painter and auto works fine for me over X11 forwarding |
| [00:56:50] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [00:56:50] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, works fine with X forwarding |
| [00:57:29] | sphery: | it's just the VNC :0 redisplay--i.e. where VNC intercepts calls to a real X server, rather than running a separate X server specifically for VNC--that won't work |
| [00:57:51] | sphery: | because then Auto would choose OpenGL, because that's right for the real X server |
| [00:57:55] | skd5aner: | I haven't used VNC in a LONG time |
| [00:58:09] | sphery: | then VNC would try to "scrape" the screen on the real server to redisplay elsewhere |
| [00:58:24] | sphery: | and since VNC doesn't have GL hardware, it would be bad |
| [00:58:31] | wagnerrp: | in my day, VNC used to get it's own dedicated screen, and we liked it |
| [00:58:33] | sphery: | thus why you should do a "proper" VNC :) |
| [00:58:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: +1 |
| [00:59:09] | sphery: | kids and their "but I want to see the same screen in 2 places"... ;) |
| [00:59:26] | wagnerrp: | so, load VNCviewer in both places |
| [00:59:33] | wagnerrp: | simple enough solution |
| [00:59:40] | sphery: | hehe, true |
| [01:04:03] | wagnerrp: | looks like i'm updating tonight to test this patch |
| [01:07:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently displayport comes with a latch. it's not simply friction like HDMI |
| [01:08:35] | sphery: | did this cause you some problems? |
| [01:08:56] | wagnerrp: | no, it's wonderful |
| [01:09:11] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:09:36] | sphery: | I know I much prefer SATA cables with clips vs friction |
| [01:09:46] | sphery: | haven't had a chance to play with displayport, yet, though |
| [01:09:58] | skd5aner: | i have several hdmi cables that want to pull out of their ports :P |
| [01:10:24] | wagnerrp: | it has two little spikes on each side, and you squeeze it to release |
| [01:10:49] | skd5aner: | jya: i saw your post on small fe choices.... |
| [01:11:21] | sphery: | yeah, with the big ferrite beads they put on a lot of HDMI cables, there's a lot of weight for a friction fit |
| [01:11:37] | skd5aner: | I was hoping to find a Zotac ZBox that would fit the bill, but several of them can't be found in the US and there were some manufacturing defects in the ID42 model this year... |
| [01:11:54] | wagnerrp: | i actually had to cut the beads off of my old DVI cables |
| [01:12:04] | wagnerrp: | i couldn't get the top of my case on with them in there |
| [01:12:05] | skd5aner: | jya: I know stichnot just bought an ID41 and was playing with getting it set up a few days ago with some decent success but some minor limitations, including fan noise |
| [01:12:09] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:12:11] | jya: | skd5aner: so did you find anything? |
| [01:12:34] | sphery: | I didn't know that was possible... I thought it would be too intrusive a surgery |
| [01:13:21] | skd5aner: | jya: Yea, sorta... here are their nvidia GPU models: http://www.zotac.com/products/mini-pcs/zbox/n . . . dia-gpu.html |
| [01:13:38] | skd5aner: | jya: not sure they're the smoking bullet I was hoping for though |
| [01:13:45] | jya: | I had a look at the zotac voard not long ago |
| [01:14:02] | jya: | that doesn't tell me much about what a "ION" box is these days |
| [01:14:12] | skd5aner: | lots of chatter on an xbmc related project about them... openelec |
| [01:14:31] | skd5aner: | Seems they have an optimized build that works well on some of them |
| [01:14:35] | jya: | they've been calling ION chipset since 2008; surely things have evolved since |
| [01:14:44] | skd5aner: | jya |
| [01:14:56] | jya: | so what is a "next generation" ion ? |
| [01:15:10] | skd5aner: | jya: exactly – have to dig further to see what's really under the covers – I looked about 5 months ago, and forget what I was able to dig up |
| [01:15:27] | skd5aner: | Other than the 2 models I thought were the best (at the time) were not sold anywhere in the US :P |
| [01:15:48] | skd5aner: | one was the ID42 (I believe) and maybe one of the ID8* models |
| [01:16:58] | skd5aner: | jya: I'm on the lookout as well... and preferablly one that could act as a slave backend for simply hooking up an HD-PVR to and using NFS to write to the storage on the MBE |
| [01:18:09] | skd5aner: | I'm ok without an optical drive though – If I ever get any new movies, I just rip them anyway |
| [01:18:38] | jya: | i want to make a simple media box; so I prefer something that supports DVD |
| [01:18:51] | jya: | that's for use for people who aren't computer savvyy |
| [01:20:37] | skd5aner: | yea, absolute worse case, I suppose you could get an external usb drive – but that's a big ugly |
| [01:21:35] | skd5aner: | jya: but, I still can't figure out why no one makes a good, small all-in-one-box that would meet 95% of the needs for a frontend – I mean, it's almost 2014?! :P |
| [01:22:13] | skd5aner: | mac mini is as close as it gets I guess |
| [01:22:42] | jya: | yeah, but they haven't made a "mythtv friendly" macmini since 2010 |
| [01:23:04] | jya: | after nvidia they swtiched to AMD |
| [01:23:13] | jya: | and now they are all intel boxes, and no optical |
| [01:23:28] | jya: | Dell had a box not long ago that fitted most of the bill |
| [01:23:56] | jya: | http://www.dell.com/gd/p/inspiron-zino-hd-410/pd |
| [01:25:01] | jya: | some of the asus box looked allright, but can't find them anymore |
| [01:25:09] | jya: | so maybe there's no real market for it |
| [01:26:46] | skd5aner: | jya: yea, that dell is fairly decent looking too – I hadn't seen that before |
| [01:27:07] | jya: | that also was a couple of years back |
| [01:27:13] | jya: | not available anymore |
| [01:27:17] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [01:28:07] | skd5aner: | there might be a market, but the pricepoint and margins are probably not that great |
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| [02:23:11] | Korny: | No point ot an ion anymore anyhow |
| [02:23:18] | Korny: | bah stupid time stamps |
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| [03:38:33] | DrTodd: | what is the best frequency range to scan for hdhr3-cc for comcast? |
| [03:39:02] | wagnerrp: | the best frequency is not to scan at all? |
| [03:39:21] | [R]: | ZING |
| [03:40:18] | DrTodd: | hi again wagner |
| [03:40:33] | DrTodd: | you've helped me in the past...thanks again |
| [03:41:01] | DrTodd: | so, I should do the "fetch channels from listing source" thing? |
| [03:41:04] | wagnerrp: | by now, most comcast franchises have either removed their unencrypted channels, or are in the process of doing so |
| [03:41:14] | DrTodd: | yes |
| [03:41:18] | DrTodd: | that's what necessitated this |
| [03:41:20] | wagnerrp: | so a cablecard tuner is of no use as a clear qam tuner |
| [03:41:32] | DrTodd: | right |
| [03:41:35] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv does not support scanning of cablecard tuners |
| [03:41:52] | DrTodd: | what does the "attempt to decrypt" option do then? |
| [03:42:11] | wagnerrp: | tells mythtv to activate the CAM and installed CI module |
| [03:42:20] | wagnerrp: | something only applicable to DVB countries |
| [03:43:27] | DrTodd: | so what method do I use? |
| [03:43:36] | wagnerrp: | fetch from listings provider |
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| [03:54:13] | buu: | So would anyone here give me a recommendation for the ceton infinitv card/ethernet vs the hdhomerun prime ethernet device for cable card access to cable tv? |
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| [04:01:48] | wagnerrp: | what cable provider? |
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| [04:33:07] | buu: | wagnerrp: suddenlink, in texas, does it matter? |
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| [05:10:04] | tonsofpcs: | buu: I have a hdhr dual and am very happy with it. I've not used the prime nor the ceton |
| [05:10:32] | buu: | tonsofpcs: The dual doesn't accept cable card right? |
| [05:10:40] | buu: | But it goes over the network? |
| [05:11:23] | tonsofpcs: | the dual is ATSC and ClearQAM only. Two tuners, network attached |
| [05:11:54] | buu: | Right. |
| [05:12:13] | buu: | Yeah the reviews seem really good for the hdhr prime and setup seems super easy |
| [05:12:25] | buu: | I just wondered if the the ceton had any more magical features. |
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| [05:12:37] | tonsofpcs: | the only problem I hear about with the prime (and I sit in #hdhomerun ) is that providers don't know how to deal with cablecards |
| [05:13:33] | tonsofpcs: | suggestions often include playing "I have a TiVo" with the person on the phone since apparently they know what a Tivo is and those are just cablecard tuners... |
| [05:19:54] | buu: | Yeah |
| [05:20:14] | buu: | But I mean I have to use the cable card so I think anything will have the same issue |
| [05:50:46] | tonsofpcs: | yup |
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| [11:57:24] | somethinginteres: | At a loss, LiveTV and recordings show up half screen with the other half, lines coloured the same as the content of the video, no matter my playback profile. Recordings of LiveTV and programs look fine in VLC/Mplayer. |
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| [15:02:56] | kisak: | hmm, mythtv-0.27 from 9-24–2013 compiles fine with -march=amdfam10 but not with -march=bdver1 |
| [15:03:21] | kisak: | and mythtv 0.26-fixes is fine with both |
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| [15:04:38] | sphery: | why are you specifying -march? Unless you're cross compiling and/or making a build for use by a large number of users, you shouldn't be |
| [15:04:52] | kisak: | I'm on gentoo |
| [15:04:53] | sphery: | you should use --enable-proc-opt and don't specify any of march/arch/tune/cpu |
| [15:05:10] | sphery: | right, so just use the right option that says, "use the best processor optimizations" |
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| [15:12:57] | kisak: | I'm not sure how that differs from -march=bdver1 on the system in question |
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| [15:17:21] | kisak: | anyway, I did get it to build with amdfam10, so my intent in mentioning this issue is more of a QA notice because it's not a show-stopper |
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| [15:28:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | So... Who else is using a Ceton InfiniTV4 PCIe with a Cable company "Tuning Adapter"? I could use a few tips... |
| [15:29:57] | kisak: | J-e-f-f-A: I almost am, but no adaptor |
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| [15:31:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... I think I may have just found my problem – ( had ctntad running twice – once as 'mythtv', and the other as 'root' ... I just killed both, now I'll bounce the be and see what happens... |
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| [15:36:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | No luck. Humph. I'm missing something – There's a web page for the Ceton for 'Tuning Adapter', and it doesn't show the tuning adapter. /me needs to figure out how to 'tell' the ceton that the tuning adapter is needed... |
| [15:39:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | From what I can tell from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4#U . . . ning_Adapter – no other steps/configuration is needed... grr... |
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| [15:43:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | oh... I wonder which version of the driver I'm using... probably > 1 year old – that's probably the issue... I didn't need a "Tuning Adapter" on FiOS.... |
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| [15:55:18] | kisak: | 1.8_p201303262226 would be the most recent version, with 3.8 kernel support |
| [15:58:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm. updated to the latest driver, no change. :-( |
| [15:59:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Their page says support is on a forum hosted on 'The Green Button", but if I go there, there's a "Linux Support" link, which just says "Linux is not an officially supported operating system for InfiniTV. Ceton employees may offer assistance here, however this is not an official support forum" – and has a link to the drivers – that's it. grr. |
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| [16:00:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | So I guess my question is this — is it Myth's responsibility to communicate with the 'ctntad' program to do the tuning, or is there something I'm missing to link 'cnttad' to the Ceton so the Ceton talks to iit??? |
| [16:01:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | On the HDHR Prime, it has a USB interface right on the prime that controls the tuning adapter. The Ceton does not have a USB port for the Tuning adapter... |
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| [16:02:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | So I'm guessing that I have to either A) Configure the Ceton to know about the tuning adapter, or b) pass something to the 'ctntad' program to tell it how to 'connect' to the ceton... |
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| [16:03:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, according to the version I just found on github "This will install /usr/bin/ctntad which must be run as root currently. It will |
| [16:03:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | automatically pair any found TA's and InfiniTVs." |
| [16:04:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... so maybe I'll try that version instead of the one from Ceton – as the "automatically pair" part isn't working with the version I downloaded from Ceton directly... |
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| [16:10:40] | kisak: | 0.27 is nice, hopefully the infinitv4 works better with it than 0.26 |
| [16:10:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm still on 0.26. |
| [16:11:17] | kisak: | after ~66 days or ~137 days, my tuner stops making coherent streams |
| [16:11:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | But have a brand-new 120GB SSD to start fresh on, which I'll put 0.27 on. ;-) |
| [16:11:26] | kisak: | (or it did with 0.26) |
| [16:11:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | I haven't had any issues at all on 0.26 with my ITV 4 on FiOS – but just moved, and now have Charter. |
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| [16:12:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Hence the BS with the Tuning Adapter. D'oh! |
| [16:13:25] | kisak: | every month or two my ceton does an internal reset, and there's a chance it acts gimpy when that happens |
| [16:14:13] | kisak: | a cold start is needed to clear the condition |
| [16:15:36] | kisak: | or it needed to do an internal reset and it missed it's own internal safeguard, I do not know which |
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| [16:17:16] | Vaska: | After updating a key-binding in mythweb for a frontened, for screenshot as example, do I need to restart that frontend? |
| [16:17:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, I *think* I'm getting somewhere... Since the Ceton creates it's own network interface (192.168.200.x subnet), I think I need to fire up ctntad to use that interface... |
| [16:19:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... tried that... something's not quite right... "failed to claim if USB error on device 05a6:0008 : No such device (it may have been disconnected) [-4]" — I think I've currently got the TA plugged in via a hub – maybe it doesn't like that... Will have to wait until I get home tonight – at work now. ;-) |
| [16:19:15] | Merlin83b: | Vaska: I believe you do, but that sounds like a pretty simple thing to just try out! :) |
| [16:22:57] | jams: | J-e-f-f-A, the ceton usb does not like some hubs, or even some usb chipsets. It's kinda picky in that regard |
| [16:25:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: I've got the PCIe one – in this case, it's the "Tuning Adapter" from the cable company that's connected via USB. And it looks like the 'ctntad' program can initially see the TAD via USB, but something's not working right still... |
| [16:25:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I *think* I currently have it plugged in via a hub – which I'll change when I get home tonight. |
| [16:26:25] | jams: | ah i have not the need to look at switched digital (yet) |
| [16:27:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, at my old house I had FiOS, and there was no need for a tuning adapter... But I moved, and FiOS isn't available here, so I'm stuck with Charter and Switched Digital. GRRR! |
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| [16:27:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | About 1/2 the channels tune fine without the TA, so they're not switched. The rest apparently are... :-( |
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| [16:28:37] | sphery: | kisak: the idea is that if you tell mythtv to Do The Right Thing(TM) (i.e. to use --enable-proc-opt), it does. If you say, "Do what I say, regardless," by using march/arch/tune/cpu, it does what you say--even if it creates a broken executable. So, unless you know the internals of /all/ MythTV code (including all external libraries that are used and compiled with it--including ffmpeg, which is notoriously hard to compile properly when ... |
| [16:28:44] | sphery: | ... overriding the smarts in its configure script), you're *much* better off letting the configure script (which *does* know what it takes to build a working, performant executable) make the decisions and, again, Do The Right Thing(TM) |
| [16:29:03] | sphery: | not to mention the fact that there's absolutely no benefit, whatsoever, to manually specifying those options |
| [16:29:15] | sphery: | because a) if you do it right, you'll get the same thing you get with --enable-proc-opt |
| [16:30:03] | sphery: | and b) if you don't do it right, you'll get a broken mess (which wastes your time, can cause invalid bug reports that waste developer time, and gives you a less-than-idea experience with MythTV) |
| [16:30:46] | sphery: | kisak: so, again, I *highly* recommend that (even on Gentoo), you do not specify any of march/arch/cpu/tune and you specify only: ./configure --enable-proc-opt |
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| [16:31:59] | sphery: | but, then again, I've been told that Gentoo users know more about the internal workings of every single software package used to create a working GNU/Linux distribution than do the developers of those packages, so feel free to ignore me if that's the case |
| [16:33:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: maybe a dumb question – but are all x86–64 optimizations the same – IE: if I compile it on my AMD Phenom X6 chip, will it still be optimized for an AMD Phenom X4 and/or Intel 64-bit? Or would I have to compile it on each machine? (not trying to open a can of worms, just checking...) |
| [16:34:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... with "--enable-proc-opt" – of course. |
| [16:34:25] | sphery: | no, there are differences (especially in the ffmpeg code), depending on the processor features available at the time of compile |
| [16:34:34] | Vaska: | Merlin83b: Point well taken sir, turns out a restart was needed, thanks |
| [16:34:35] | sphery: | so if you use: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [16:34:46] | kisak: | sphery: I'm not trying to fight you, I just did not understand clearly |
| [16:35:11] | sphery: | to figure out the features of your chips, then you can choose the "greatest common divisor" (i.e. what most would call the "least common denominator", even though that's not what it means) to do the compile |
| [16:35:47] | sphery: | i.e. if you want to compile once and use it on all your boxes, compile on the one that only supports features that exist on every other host, and it will work |
| [16:36:14] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, you probably won't be able to go between AMD and Intel hosts with that approach (because of vendor-specific differences) |
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| [16:36:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Ah, so chances are if I compare my FE (x4) to my backend (x6), they would have the same features... but an Intel 64 may have a different feature set. |
| [16:36:44] | sphery: | at which point, you have to do a "packager-like" compile--i.e. you become your own packager, where you have to say, "do it my way" and you have to know the right way |
| [16:36:54] | sphery: | (or just compile on a couple machines) |
| [16:37:00] | kisak: | J-e-f-f-A: it depends on the generation of processor, not the number of cores |
| [16:37:21] | sphery: | kisak: right, I didn't think you were fighting, but I was just trying to explain the reasoning behind not specifying those and hoping to help you out for you future builds |
| [16:38:13] | sphery: | though I will say that my personal bias against attitudes I've seen from some other Gentoo users (generally those who are least-qualified to use Gentoo) snuck in to some of my tirade :) |
| [16:38:38] | sphery: | and, fwiw, I haven't seen that attitude from you--so my snarky comments weren't directed at you |
| [16:38:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | kisak: Gotcha. They're both "Phenom"s iirc... (actually, the x4 may just be an "Athon" now that I think about it...)... Cool beans. Thanks. |
| [16:39:17] | kisak: | hurray, I'm not a snot apparently |
| [16:39:31] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: exactly, generation... I have various AMD64 chips, all with different feature sets |
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| [16:40:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | And now that I think about it more – It think my C2D box bit the dust and I replaced it with the 'old' Athlon x4 board from my backend... ;-) So I probably don't have that Intel board around anymore. |
| [16:42:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | [heh, I guess you can kill the battery on a 'crackberry' in one day – if you leave the FM radio player on all day... hehehe... forgot to turn it off after arriving at work today...] |
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| [16:42:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A plugs in the crackberry ** | |
| [16:43:55] | stuartm: | sphery: at times I wonder whether we should just ignore -march/-cpu etc and just quietly run --enable-proc-opt instead, packagers could be provided with patches to re-enable those options |
| [16:45:03] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: you can use this to get the feature set for (the first core/proc on) your system: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -m 1 flags | cut -d: -f2- | tr ' ' '\n' | sort |
| [16:45:15] | sphery: | then do the same on the other systems and you can use diff to see differences |
| [16:46:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: cool – I'll note that and when I get my dedicated frontend setup again (I just moved, and am only using the backend now) – I'll compare them. ;-) |
| [16:46:30] | kisak: | if I'm reading this right, the gentoo ebuild for 0.27 in portage is extracting the march and passing it as --cpu= to the configure script ... that's ... different |
| [16:46:59] | stuartm: | I hate to be so cynical, but if you give users a gun, then inevitably some of them will shoot their neighbour during a drunken argument |
| [16:47:09] | stuartm: | no ... wait, that's my anti-gun argument |
| [16:47:36] | stuartm: | they'll shoot themselves in the foot |
| [16:48:22] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, that sounds like a good way of doing things |
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| [16:57:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Grr, I'll have to continue this from home — seems closer though: "** (ctntad:2707): WARNING **: Failed to GET http://192.168.200.2:6547/getDeviceDesc: Cannot connect to destination (192.168.200.2)" |
| [17:00:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh... Yeah, will have to continue at home – I seem to have goofed something up remotely, as it doesn't even see the TA now... "No Tuning Adapters found" |
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| [17:01:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... It used to say "found ta on bus 8 addr 5"... |
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| [17:17:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | kisak: Is your Ceton the PCIe or USB version? |
| [17:18:06] | kisak: | PCIe |
| [17:19:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm. Maybe it's a mb/os issue? I'm running an AMD board with a Phenom X6 on Fedora 17 currently. |
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| [17:21:28] | kisak: | that server is a Phenom X3, and the OS is fine |
| [17:22:22] | kisak: | good job ... I just did an invalid test |
| [17:22:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | rut-roh |
| [17:23:12] | kisak: | it's all good because I know it was invalid |
| [17:24:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... I'm jealous of the 6-tuner Ceton that just came out... |
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| [17:27:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | But then again, it's $339.99 ... I guess if I wanted to expand beyond 4, I could either buy another InfiniTV 4 and have 8.simultaneous recordings. ;-) (Probably no need though!) |
| [17:27:15] | kisak: | so there's my answer, --enable-proc-opt fails at the same point as --cpu= |
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| [17:48:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: You'll find this humerous – I moved ~25 miles further away from my old house, and thus ~25 miles further than the broadcast towers of the TV stations – yet with my Yagi UHF antenna -in my room- pointed in the general direction (ie not on the ROOF like I had it mounted before), I still get ALL the same channels... |
| [17:48:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Of course, it's a good quality antenna (the Radio Shack UHF-75 IIRC) – which is supposed to have a 75-mile range, but still, that surprised me. ;-) |
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| [17:54:53] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: nice... it would have been really annoying if you weren't able to get the channels at the new place |
| [17:55:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah. I think I'm at a higher elevation here at my Grandmother's house, so I have more of a line-of-site than at my old house. |
| [17:56:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... And that's going through an amplifier, then split 4 ways to feed into two HD-HR tuners. ;-) |
| [17:56:42] | sphery: | yeah, moving into a valley is usually a bad thing for ota reception, so good it was kind of the opposite for you |
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| [17:59:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'll have to find some topo maps to see what elevation I'm at now. ;-) |
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| [17:59:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | My old house was something like 280' elevation. |
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| [18:09:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, i was wrong about the mileage – my old house was about 15 miles from the transmitters – new one is 32. |
| [18:09:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | I still can't find the elevation though – maybe Google will tell me... one sec. |
| [18:21:25] | kisak: | anybody know where the theme cache is off hand, I want to flush it |
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| [18:22:53] | kisak: | nevermind, I just didn't look long enough |
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| [20:15:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: My old house was at about 380', antenna at about 400' or so. New house is at 603', antenna is currently at about 623' – will be about 635' when I put it on the roof. ;-) |
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| [20:19:37] | sphery: | wow, big difference |
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| [20:20:22] | sphery: | around here elevations tend to vary from about 6' above sea level to maybe 20' at high points |
| [20:23:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh, up here we have these things called Hills. |
| [20:23:50] | sphery: | hehe, closest thing we have are causeway bridges (that are tall to allow sailboats to pass underneath) |
| [20:27:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh, the first time I went to KS to visit my Mom, I was amazed how flat it was. The only hills were the ones created when doing strip-mining of coal, and they had numbered them... My sister used to hang out on "Hill 6" when she was a teen... |
| [20:27:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... And they were only 20–30' high... |
| [20:27:37] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:28:17] | sphery: | When I was in college, I would drive between IL and CO, through KS, and it was /so/ boring |
| [20:28:26] | sphery: | not only flat, but straight |
| [20:28:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was down in FL in January, and it was quite flat too. ;-) (Spring Hill area, and was in Orlando for a couple of days to visit Mickey) |
| [20:29:15] | sphery: | yeah, they have a few more hills in the Orlando area (especially on the north and west sides) than we have here on the coast |
| [20:29:23] | sphery: | but still pretty flat compared to many other places |
| [20:35:15] | wizbit: | anybody here got iplayer on netvision working? |
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| [20:36:39] | sphery: | not me, since I'm not in the UK |
| [20:37:42] | sphery: | I guess, though, not having access to iPlayer is better than having to pay the UK TV tax, |
| [20:37:44] | wizbit: | well it uses myth browser and flash |
| [20:37:47] | wizbit: | so maybe its a flash problem |
| [20:37:56] | sphery: | possible |
| [20:38:09] | wizbit: | it keeps on buffering and nothing happens |
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| [20:42:19] | wizbit: | also, i cannot use my remote control when iplayer launches |
| [20:42:25] | wizbit: | does mythbrowser use different keys? |
| [20:43:58] | sphery: | all I can say is that you can only use the remote for video in MythNetvision when the player has a JavaScript API for controlling playback |
| [20:44:53] | sphery: | so if the Flash video player used for iPlayer has one, and if the MNV iPlayer script writer added support for that, it should work |
| [20:45:02] | sphery: | otherwise, it's impossible and you have to use your mouse |
| [20:45:28] | sphery: | not sure whether iplayer supports it or not |
| [20:45:49] | natanojl: | looks like there is code for it actually |
| [20:47:26] | sphery: | and that's the man who would know :) |
| [20:47:58] | natanojl: | :) |
| [20:48:27] | natanojl: | but I'm also not in the UK so I can't test it |
| [20:48:48] | sphery: | yeah, that would make developing/testing it difficult :( |
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| [20:53:09] | wizbit: | LOL |
| [20:53:09] | wizbit: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24741832 |
| [20:53:45] | wizbit: | its probably down to whats installed on them |
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| [20:55:43] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [21:51:36] | wizbit: | how can one launch a X app on another display from bash |
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| [21:55:44] | sphery: | you mean you shelled in and you want to launch an app on the other computer and it's display? |
| [21:56:08] | sphery: | if so, make sure you're the same user that's running X, then: export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| [21:57:16] | sphery: | (if you're not the same user, you need to do something like use xauth to authorize the other user to the display or something bad like opening it up to everyone with xhost |
| [21:57:41] | sphery: | oh, and note that it won't work unless you're the same user that's runnign X and your HOME is properly set |
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| [22:31:36] | wizbit: | sphery: thanks |
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| [22:43:07] | jya: | skd5aner: found this one: that's the right form factor and the right grunt... but amd and no optical |
| [22:43:07] | jya: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zbox-nano-ad10.html |
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| [23:39:02] | skd5aner: | jya: yea... AMD :/ |
| [23:39:35] | jya: | unfortunately yes... |
| [23:39:39] | skd5aner: | jya: really want something that's VDPAU capable, it seems there's other options without nvidia GPUs that fit the bill... |
| [23:39:49] | jya: | it looks that I'll have to forget trying to get optical in |
| [23:39:52] | skd5aner: | jya: not sure exactly what it is with nvidia GPUs that make them a rare find |
| [23:40:12] | jya: | AMD now has a vdpau backend for their drivers. |
| [23:40:20] | skd5aner: | jya: yea... I'm guessing that's going to be tough now-a-days |
| [23:40:20] | jya: | and they finally support HD audio pasthrough |
| [23:40:42] | skd5aner: | jya: really? Hadn't been following consumer hardware much recently |
| [23:41:14] | jya: | what I mean is that if I have to forget optical; then the options are more numerous. I can use one of the 610M zotac board and fit that in a tiny min-itx chassis |
| [23:41:43] | jya: | skd5aner: anything using vaapi can now use vdpau |
| [23:42:08] | jya: | you use the vdpau-va-gl driver... |
| [23:42:20] | jya: | from what I've read, it only supports bob deinterlacer |
| [23:42:21] | skd5aner: | jya: I know that's what you meant :) I was sayin that finding what you want, including optical, is definitely more limiting – something's got to give, and dumping optical might be the low hanging fruit for you |
| [23:43:04] | skd5aner: | so intel AND AMD can support to vdpau now? |
| [23:43:34] | jya: | yes.. was released in july I believe |
| [23:43:39] | jya: | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/supported_features.png |
| [23:44:07] | skd5aner: | lol – that one is great! |
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