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| [00:56:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and be /very/ careful with it... Fox delayed it to "take advantage of a lead-in from the NFL." ( http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwire/2013/10 . . . e-premie.php ) So make sure you have your record late set... |
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| [01:39:09] | skd5aner: | anyone know if the maintainer of TintedGlass hangs out in IRC? |
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| [03:20:07] | Oleg_: | I wish they hadn't canceled "The Borgias" |
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| [05:44:03] | sisk: | I'm trying to get a mythtv box set up and I'm stumped. I can't get Mythtv to use my PVR-150. Can anyone help? |
| [05:45:19] | wagnerrp: | is this capture off a cable box, or analog cable? |
| [05:46:13] | sisk: | Analog cable. And the card itself is working. I can watch TV off it with mplayer and change channels with ivtv-tune |
| [05:46:26] | wagnerrp: | you've configured it as an MPEG encoder card? |
| [05:46:32] | sisk: | Yes |
| [05:46:44] | wagnerrp: | you've pulled a lineup from schedules direct? |
| [05:47:13] | wagnerrp: | or at least manually added a few dummy channels for testing? |
| [05:47:16] | sisk: | I was goin to use mc2xml, but I haven't gotten that set up yet. |
| [05:47:44] | sisk: | I added a channel manually, but it din't work |
| [05:48:04] | wagnerrp: | we don't support mc2xml here... the whole illegality of it and all... |
| [05:48:29] | sisk: | It's illegal;? Geh, ok. I'll change those plans then |
| [05:48:45] | wagnerrp: | that's why the websites it is available from keep changing |
| [05:48:53] | wagnerrp: | microsoft and tribune keep getting them shut down |
| [05:49:09] | sisk: | I didn't realize. I hadn't heard of it till yesterday |
| [05:49:41] | wagnerrp: | your backend runs fine? it does not complain of configuration issues? |
| [05:50:02] | sisk: | Not until I try to watch TV |
| [05:50:34] | wagnerrp: | i need to see backend logs |
| [05:50:56] | wagnerrp: | failure to record almost invariably is an issue with the backend |
| [05:51:19] | wagnerrp: | the logs should be done to whatever terminal you ran mythbackend from |
| [05:51:31] | wagnerrp: | or might be in a file somewhere if you used an init script |
| [05:52:12] | sisk: | Give me a minute. I have the log. Just need to get it on pastebin |
| [05:52:50] | parann0yed: | hey guys. got my hdhr prime setup and it works great recording two channels at once. the third tuner for some reason does not let me watch or record. it is setup the same as the other two. |
| [05:53:56] | parann0yed: | what happens is if I try watching live tv while recording two shows on the other tuners, it flashes as if it is going to start displaying then immediately drops back to the menu |
| [05:54:20] | wagnerrp: | any chance you have some other application somewhere messing with the HDHR? |
| [05:54:49] | parann0yed: | another application? |
| [05:54:51] | wagnerrp: | there are mechanisms built into the HDHR communications protocol to allow sharing tuners... and mythtv does not use them |
| [05:55:33] | wagnerrp: | if you're trying to use an HDHR in mythtv at the same time some external application grabs one of the tuners, bad things happen |
| [05:56:06] | parann0yed: | what would grab one of the tuners? |
| [05:56:21] | parann0yed: | besides mythtv? |
| [05:56:41] | wagnerrp: | anything else that can interface with it. maybe you've got a copy of silicon dust quicktv open somewhere for testing? |
| [05:57:19] | parann0yed: | no, but i did use my windows media center to get the hostid to give to comcast |
| [05:57:43] | parann0yed: | wonder if it might have somehow locked that third tuner. |
| [05:58:48] | parann0yed: | oh...i'll have to look at that other computer to see if I might have left the silicon dust application open |
| [05:59:23] | wagnerrp: | i think you can use their terminal utility to see if any tuners are in use |
| [05:59:37] | sisk: | Ok, here's my log http://pastebin.com/TgvhvVxe |
| [06:00:29] | sisk: | Sorry it took so long. It's a pokey machine |
| [06:01:21] | wagnerrp: | CoreContext v4lchannel.cpp:82 (Open) V4LChannel(/dev/video0): Can't open video device. |
| [06:01:25] | wagnerrp: | that's troubling |
| [06:01:30] | wagnerrp: | permissions issue? |
| [06:02:31] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, there are several instances of mythbackend here, and you seem to have resolved that bit |
| [06:02:31] | sisk: | Let me check that. I'm going to feel dumb if that's the case |
| [06:03:04] | sisk: | Oh, yeah. It wasn't dying when I killed it. That's a Debian issue I think |
| [06:03:22] | sisk: | Or rather an issue with this particular install |
| [06:03:40] | wagnerrp: | looks like you're running syslog logging |
| [06:03:57] | wagnerrp: | if you run with the --logpath parameter, it will log each instance to a new file |
| [06:04:04] | wagnerrp: | makes it a bit easier to separate out when trying to debug |
| [06:04:35] | sisk: | --logpath on the backend? |
| [06:04:45] | wagnerrp: | on the command line, when you run it |
| [06:04:54] | wagnerrp: | you give it a directory you want to log to |
| [06:05:41] | sisk: | I've been letting the system start it. |
| [06:09:14] | wagnerrp: | just a quick check, when you configured it, in "Input Connections", there should have been two options to set a channel |
| [06:09:36] | wagnerrp: | the first would have been a spinbox, letting you select a channel stored in the database |
| [06:09:46] | wagnerrp: | the second would have been an edit box, and should be left blank |
| [06:09:53] | wagnerrp: | i don't recall the specific wording for them |
| [06:10:01] | wagnerrp: | been a while since i've configured an analog tuner |
| [06:10:18] | sisk: | I remember that I think. |
| [06:10:58] | sisk: | If it's what I'm thinking I set the spinbox to the channel I set up manually |
| [06:11:22] | wagnerrp: | channel 39? |
| [06:12:32] | sisk: | Yeah |
| [06:16:52] | wagnerrp: | why would i be getting a payroll invoice from "planetearthrecycle".... it's like they're not even trying anymore |
| [06:18:17] | wagnerrp: | they couldn't even manage to attach their virus properly |
| [06:18:27] | wagnerrp: | they botched it and put it as plain text in the body |
| [06:18:47] | sisk: | I wish the would stop trying. I get at least half a dozen of those a week plus everyone who has to ask me if they're real. |
| [06:21:35] | sisk: | I just set it up that way again to make sure. Failed to set channel to 39. Reverting to kState_None |
| [06:22:10] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think is that the channel was not added manually correctly |
| [06:22:20] | wagnerrp: | although i can't imaging it's anything more than adding a number |
| [06:22:29] | wagnerrp: | wrong channel table maybe? |
| [06:22:44] | wagnerrp: | is there an option to use us-cable versus us-bcast or something? |
| [06:23:14] | wagnerrp: | channel 39 broadcast will be like channel 90 cable |
| [06:23:22] | wagnerrp: | which will likely be digital, so an analog tuner would refuse to lock |
| [06:23:24] | sisk: | I'm using us-cable in ivtv-tune and it works. Samd table in MythTV doesn't |
| [06:23:50] | sisk: | Sorry, not used to a qwerty keyboard. Excuse the typos. |
| [06:25:07] | sisk: | When I initially set this up the card I had wasn't working. Could there be any lingering problems from that? |
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| [06:29:11] | wagnerrp: | you can always just delete the card and re-add it |
| [06:29:16] | wagnerrp: | 'd' deletes in mythtv-setup |
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| [06:29:36] | sisk: | Tried that |
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| [06:30:01] | wagnerrp: | laundry is done, and work is in four hours |
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| [06:30:02] | wagnerrp: | i'm going to bed |
| [06:30:10] | sisk: | Ok. Well thank you |
| [06:30:22] | sisk: | I need to head that way myself I guess |
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| [08:22:45] | Qwazz: | Hi All, on the road to sweet. My remote FE's menu under Medila Library is different to Local FE on BE/FE machine. I have checked that the FE's are from 0.27 repos. Mainly additional plugins are what's not visible. Trying to install the plugins on a remote FE did not solve the issue. So, do I really need to install the plugins on each remote FE individually? If so how do I do it right? But surely I shouldn't be having to edit any |
| [08:22:47] | Qwazz: | files as a user, right? |
| [08:26:44] | Qwazz: | "By any files", I mean the menu.xml settings file for example, which will probably lead to having to writing scripts... I am complete noobie, all that stuff is exciting but at this stage I'd rather learn by breaking things that work, obviously whilst trying to mak' em more awesome... |
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| [11:20:21] | wagnerrp: | Qwazz: the only way that would be possible would be if you are using "file browse mode" |
| [11:21:39] | Qwazz: | wagnerrp: that the remote FE's menu is different to FE on BE/FE? How do go into or use the proper mode? |
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| [11:26:12] | wagnerrp: | "file browse mode" means you view the filesystem currently available from the frontend, and not the stored database view |
| [11:26:48] | wagnerrp: | it's a mode that has caused nothing but problems and confusion for years |
| [11:26:54] | wagnerrp: | and is due to be removed |
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| [12:18:12] | stuartm: | it's a testament to png compression that even the compressed-svg version of this icon I created is larger than the exported png |
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| [12:36:19] | Qwazz: | wagnerrp: so how do I change modes? |
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| [12:52:45] | Qwazz: | So that the remote FE menus match the menus on the FE/BE machine? |
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| [16:19:28] | Qwazz: | Hi All, I'm still hoping for an answer to how do I change remote FE's mode from "browse" to the proper mode, so that remote FE menu's are served by or are exactly the same as the FE on the BE/FE machine? |
| [16:20:49] | sphery: | Qwazz: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519758#519758 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519996#519996 |
| [16:21:05] | sphery: | the key being MENU (M) (pun intended) |
| [16:21:19] | sphery: | but please read the posts as they explain how to do it properly (as it's not just one thing) |
| [16:22:05] | sphery: | i.e. change/verify the same setting 3 times in the 3 different views (and change/verify another related setting 3 times in 3 views...) |
| [16:23:01] | Qwazz: | sphery: That's headed what's being worked for 0.26, thought I was already on 0.27, but still reading.... |
| [16:24:24] | sphery: | Qwazz: the thread started out as what was being worked on, but that's way off topic--and is basically how you should (want to) configure Video Library |
| [16:25:25] | Qwazz: | sphery: yeah, so it's a confgure video library thread, interesting but wondering will the exercise have to be undertaken for each frontend. |
| [16:32:20] | Qwazz: | sphery: So, the thing to do is rotate through the views options on the remote FE to solve the problem? |
| [16:32:37] | Qwazz: | Still reading... |
| [16:36:06] | Qwazz: | If so seems, I know how to rotate through the videos in the Video Library with contents but the issue is the menu structure on remote FE particularly under Media Library is different that on the local BE/FE frontend. |
| [16:36:37] | sphery: | "menu structure"? |
| [16:36:43] | sphery: | you mean directory structure of content |
| [16:37:15] | sphery: | the thread simply says how to set up Video Library so that you see what's in the database (without scanning each and every backend/frontend every time you open Video Library) |
| [16:37:23] | sphery: | and still can see the structure you've created on disk |
| [16:37:44] | Qwazz: | On remote FE's media library has Watch Recording and Watch Videos, |
| [16:38:00] | sphery: | critical part being that you want "Show Directory Structure" enabled and "Browse Library (recommended)" enabled |
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| [16:38:28] | sphery: | and since there are 3 views (Gallery, Browse, and List) and all 3 have their own value for each of those 2 settings, you should set it in all 3 views |
| [16:38:37] | sphery: | then even when you change views, you will see things the right way |
| [16:38:57] | Qwazz: | The missing items are plugins Listen to Music, Radio Stream, etc. |
| [16:39:15] | sphery: | then you're asking how to change the MythTV (not Video Library) menu theme |
| [16:39:33] | sphery: | you do that in frontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Settings|Appearance |
| [16:39:47] | Qwazz: | I think so, cause in Video Library view modes I can change. |
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| [16:40:00] | sphery: | it sounds like you have DVR selected on remote and (likely) defaultmenu on other |
| [16:40:10] | Qwazz: | The issue is my remote FE's do not have the same menu as on the BE/FE machine. |
| [16:40:31] | sphery: | choose the one you want and set it on all of them |
| [16:40:49] | Qwazz: | How do I check? Don't know what DVR vs default means or where to change them. |
| [16:41:04] | Qwazz: | Oh, wait.... |
| [16:41:11] | Qwazz: | I think I get it. |
| [16:41:46] | Qwazz: | No, I think all default. |
| [16:42:46] | Qwazz: | Menu theme: defualt on FE's as is the BE/FE. |
| [16:45:55] | sphery: | then I have no clue what you're saying is different |
| [16:46:02] | sphery: | I'm going to need a screenshot or something |
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| [16:46:43] | sphery: | if you're just saying that you're missing plugin-related menu options, that means that you don't have plugins (properly) installed on one or more systems |
| [16:47:02] | sphery: | (meaning they're not installed, the wrong version is installed, or ...) |
| [16:47:04] | Qwazz: | sphery: Yes, the second one. |
| [16:47:20] | sphery: | so just install the plugins (and make sure they're the right version) |
| [16:47:30] | sphery: | they must be installed on all frontend systems where you want to use that plugin |
| [16:47:40] | Qwazz: | And then I tried to install the plugins on the remote FE perhaps I did it incorrectly... |
| [16:48:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | So... I've moved and now have Charter for my cable TV – got a cablecard from them, but now have a 'Tuning Adapter' too ... I've compiled and installed ctntad, and it's running, but for the life of me can't figure out how to get the tuner and/or myth to use it... Anyone done this successfully with an InfiniTV4 PCIe, Charter and a Cisco tuning adapter? |
| [16:48:32] | Qwazz: | I did, made sure I got the plugin from the correct repositories since I didn't know how to do it via command line. |
| [16:49:35] | Qwazz: | But still they still do not appear in menu structure. |
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| [16:52:24] | Qwazz: | Is there a command to install and enable all the plugins, except MythGame, ensuring they from the appropriate repository and configured correctly. |
| [16:53:32] | Qwazz: | or is there a way to install Mythbuntu-Control-Centre without having an entire Myth (BE/FE) install with it? |
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| [17:59:25] | tgm4883: | Qwazz, by default it doesn't have the entire myth install |
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| [18:05:35] | elkin: | hi everyone. I am running into an issue with the development branch. The schemas got bumped to 1320 but the proto version is still 77. |
| [18:06:27] | elkin: | using the python bindings I get "MythTV.exceptions.MythBEError: Backend speaks version 78, we speak version 77" |
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| [18:13:57] | skd5aner: | elkin: try #mythtv – usually we send people from there to here, but this time, that's the best place to discussed that if it is indeed not updated correctly |
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| [18:15:05] | elkin: | skd5aner: just my experience... always ask in -users first. I am writing a bug report. |
| [18:15:39] | skd5aner: | elkin: usually true :) |
| [18:16:10] | skd5aner: | but, for simple things like that, they might prefer you just mention it in #mythtv rather than submit a bug report |
| [18:16:29] | elkin: | skd5aner: all done, reported... |
| [18:16:32] | skd5aner: | I know in the past for compilation issues with master they'd prefer a simple note in IRC or to the mailing list than a bug report :) |
| [18:16:56] | elkin: | skd5aner: I'll keep that in mind for next time |
| [18:16:56] | skd5aner: | this is similiar to that |
| [18:16:59] | skd5aner: | np :) |
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| [18:28:29] | DavidBrooke: | I'm trying to transcode a recording with a completed cutlist....I read in the wiki that I needed to setup the transcoders in recording profiles but I can't that section |
| [18:28:54] | DavidBrooke: | do I need to install something to have the recording profile? |
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| [18:33:28] | DavidBrooke: | I'm using ver .27 with fixes, on a master backend with a frontend |
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| [19:28:22] | sphery: | DavidBrooke: some of the themes are broken and don't properly display some of the setup pages... try switching to Terra or MythCenter-wide or MythCenter and then going into that section of setup. |
| [19:29:10] | stuartm: | recording profiles doesn't use mythui, it should work in all themes |
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| [19:36:20] | DavidBrooke: | 'I'm using mythbunu theme and the path for the recording profile isn't there |
| [19:36:59] | DavidBrooke: | I went in to the backend and setup the transcoder profiles and I got further.... |
| [19:37:08] | sphery: | "path for the recording profile"? |
| [19:37:22] | DavidBrooke: | yes sorry |
| [19:37:37] | sphery: | if you mean, "the menu looks different from some (out-of-date) wiki page," that's likely the case |
| [19:38:21] | DavidBrooke: | off the wiki..... |
| [19:38:26] | DavidBrooke: | Use the Recordings Profiles to change how the system transcodes your recordings |
| [19:38:26] | DavidBrooke: | mythfrontend -> utilities/setup -> TV Settings --> recording Profiles -> Transcoders. |
| [19:38:47] | sphery: | yeah, it may well have been moved--in which case, please update the wiki page |
| [19:39:09] | DavidBrooke: | I don't know if what I did was right or not |
| [19:39:14] | sphery: | someone decided that they needed to move settings that are used by the backend into mythtv-setup because they thought that was backend setup |
| [19:39:28] | DavidBrooke: | i'm pushing blindly for the moment :) |
| [19:39:45] | DavidBrooke: | oh I see |
| [19:40:23] | sphery: | when really the *only* difference between mythtv-setup settings and mythfrontend settings was that mythtv-setup settings were supposed to be "single-use/set-and-forget" settings and those that required backend stop/restart and those in mythfrontend were supposed to be those that the user may need to change often and/or that didn't require a backend restart |
| [19:40:56] | sphery: | now, though, people get to restart their backends all the time to change random settings that they have trouble finding because they're hidden in mythtv-setup :) |
| [19:41:09] | DavidBrooke: | ty |
| [19:41:23] | DavidBrooke: | now I have moved further.... |
| [19:41:30] | DavidBrooke: | I have this error... |
| [19:41:32] | DavidBrooke: | Deadlock detected. One buffer is full when the other is empty! Aborting |
| [19:41:49] | DavidBrooke: | looking at the wiki there are several steps to go through |
| [19:42:07] | DavidBrooke: | are all the steps still valid? |
| [19:44:26] | sphery: | that's a common occurrence on some systems, generally due to some particulars of the encoding used for the video you're attempting to transcode |
| [19:44:28] | DavidBrooke: | Remux the file, Regenerate the keyframe index, Reposition the cut points, Try trancoding again and If this does not fix the problem then you can try using Mythcutprojectx to perform the cutting. |
| [19:44:46] | sphery: | it's not a misconfiguration, but means that you won't be able to use mythtranscode to transcode that video |
| [19:45:05] | sphery: | that said, the best solution is to never use mythtranscode to transcode, anyway |
| [19:46:16] | sphery: | it's useful for cutting (some) MPEG-2 (using the lossless configuration), but is never useful for transcoding because it creates inefficiently-encoded MPEG-4 ASP (assuming you didn't use the terribly-inefficient RTJPEG configuration) in the completely-useless-to-everything-but-MythTV NuppelVideo container |
| [19:46:26] | sphery: | so if you need to transcode, you should use something else |
| [19:46:51] | sphery: | if you just want to cut, you might be able to do so if it's MPEG-2 source and you use the MPEG-2 lossless transcoding configuration |
| [19:47:15] | DavidBrooke: | the last statement is what I was trying to do |
| [19:47:25] | sphery: | but, really, IMHO, the best solution is to not even cut... With 3TB HDDs hitting $99.99, there's not a lot of reason to cut or transcode, these days |
| [19:47:57] | DavidBrooke: | cutting and transcoding a mpeg2 lossless |
| [19:48:13] | sphery: | transcoding is only useful if you really want to watch your recordings on tiny displays on mobile devices and those devices don't support the original source format |
| [19:48:55] | sphery: | but I prefer to just watch the shows I want to watch on a real system with real video playback capabilities and a good display :) |
| [19:49:13] | sphery: | you marked the lossless checkbox in the transcoding profile? |
| [19:49:21] | sphery: | the transcoding profile is one of the MPEG-2 ones |
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| [19:49:30] | DavidBrooke: | yes in the high quality profile |
| [19:49:40] | sphery: | and you explicitly selected that profile in Watch Recordings with MENU|Job Options|Start Transcoding |
| [19:49:52] | DavidBrooke: | yes |
| [19:49:54] | sphery: | (and you didn't try to create some custom-named transcoding profile) |
| [19:50:04] | sphery: | if so, then it just may not work for you |
| [19:50:38] | DavidBrooke: | I didn't try to make a custom profile...since I read that wasn't a good thing |
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| [19:51:47] | sphery: | (but, again, I really think it's not worth the time when you can get 3TB HDDs for about $100 — enough storage for > 450hrs of relatively-high-bitrate HDTV recordings |
| [19:51:57] | sphery: | right, so it sounds like you did things right |
| [19:51:59] | sphery: | it's just not working |
| [19:52:18] | sphery: | and all the workaround steps are likely things you'd have to do for every single video |
| [19:52:45] | sphery: | they're likely to cause problems (such as A/V sync issues and/or lost streams--like audio streams or captions or ...) |
| [19:52:56] | sphery: | and will take a lot of time (compared to just adding another HDD :) |
| [19:53:53] | sphery: | but I have to admit I'm extremely biased against the whole idea of wasting my time editing (to create a cut list) a recording, wasting computer time (and electricity/money) transcoding or cutting that recording when it's just temporary data |
| [19:54:04] | sphery: | i.e. will be deleted right after I watch it |
| [19:54:18] | sphery: | (and if it's something I like enough to keep, I just buy the DVD/BluRay/...) |
| [19:55:39] | DavidBrooke: | ty :) |
| [19:56:27] | DavidBrooke: | I was using openshot but it is having problems running under 13.10 |
| [19:56:43] | DavidBrooke: | so I was on the lookout for another way |
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| [23:24:43] | wizbit: | when i try and play something with mythnetvision + bbc iplayer, it loads, but seems to buffer and nothing really happens |
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| [23:53:23] | jya: | wagnerrp: I had a thought earlier today about the use of external storage for myth |
| [23:54:02] | jya: | but first a quick question: can you have a secondary backend that defined storage group, and have the primary backend store data in those storage group ? |
| [23:54:05] | wagnerrp: | ideally, inserting external storage should trigger the media monitor, and in turn trigger the file scanner |
| [23:54:29] | jya: | by external storage I mean, NAS, not DAS |
| [23:54:39] | wagnerrp: | DAS? |
| [23:54:47] | jya: | direct vs network |
| [23:55:02] | jya: | seems to be the fancy way of calling things these days :) |
| [23:55:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, by external, i figured you meant a removeable hard drive, or flash drive |
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| [23:55:42] | jya: | I'm getting my new server soon (E3–1220V3, 12 bay supermicro case) |
| [23:56:10] | jya: | I was going to simply enable NFS, mount that in my current backend and continue just like before |
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| [23:56:31] | jya: | but all those issues with lock and syncrhonous write got me worried. |
| [23:57:12] | jya: | so I was thinking: what about not using NFS, but instead have mythbackend run on the server, that defines storage groups, and have all the other frontend and main backend use that |
| [23:57:40] | wagnerrp: | you can run a slave backend on a NAS for storage group access |
| [23:57:49] | jya: | I have the suspicion, that accessing SG is far less intensive as using NFS |
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| [23:58:14] | jya: | the MBE can use that to write its recording? |
| [23:58:31] | wagnerrp: | and actually, that was the purpose of mythmediaserver, to do so without the overhead of the whole backend, although since the backend has not transitioned over to the (partially) rewritten protocol, it is likely out of maintenance |
| [23:58:38] | wagnerrp: | however, backends can only record to local storage |
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| [23:58:50] | wagnerrp: | they cannot record over mythproto to remote storage |
| [23:58:55] | jya: | hmmm... that's a problem then |
| [23:59:17] | jya: | aren't they writing to disk using the standard file ring buffer? |
| [23:59:22] | wagnerrp: | last time i asked about it, danielk stated that the internal protocol is too low performance compared to nfs to consider doing so |
| [23:59:44] | wagnerrp: | that was maybe 2–3 years ago |
| [23:59:47] | jya: | because it that's so; writing to a SG would be trivial... |
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