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| [00:13:54] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out how to fit this monitor on my desktop... |
| [00:16:36] | wagnerrp: | on second thought, i don't presently have anywhere to plug it in to |
| [00:17:37] | skd5aner: | what size? |
| [00:17:42] | wagnerrp: | 17" |
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| [00:34:30] | wagnerrp: | well that's odd |
| [00:34:56] | wagnerrp: | if i use USB2.0 to my monitor's hub, and connect my mouse receiver in, it works fine |
| [00:35:23] | wagnerrp: | if i use USB3.0, i get no reception unless the mouse is directly under the receiver |
| [00:35:46] | wagnerrp: | 2.0 it is... |
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| [00:55:35] | biffhero: | I am having a problem with a recording rule. I keep getting "This showing will not be recorded because anohter program with a higher priority will be recorded." |
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| [00:56:19] | wagnerrp: | so what's the problem? |
| [00:56:59] | biffhero: | In my schedule grid, "SportsCenter (Sports non-event)" is being over-ridden, but I can't tell what is of higher priority. |
| [00:57:28] | tgm4883: | biffhero, check mythweb |
| [00:57:46] | wagnerrp: | or, run 'mythbackend --printsched' and post the results |
| [00:58:07] | biffhero: | I am looking at mythweb, and there's nothing else from 8:30 to 10:00. ooh, printsched. I'll do that. |
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| [01:01:04] | biffhero: | ok, I see the problem. Check this out. |
| [01:01:12] | biffhero: | Better yet, I'll post it. |
| [01:02:15] | biffhero: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6280279/ |
| [01:03:01] | biffhero: | Check out _that_ broken-ness. NFL football goes from 17:45 – 21:30, while the follow-up SportsCenter goes from 20:30 to 22:00. |
| [01:03:04] | biffhero: | That's an overlap. |
| [01:03:45] | wagnerrp: | i would expect the first show to take precedence |
| [01:04:00] | biffhero: | yes, it was. |
| [01:04:29] | wagnerrp: | you were wanting to record sportscenter? |
| [01:04:37] | wagnerrp: | ah, right, you said that |
| [01:04:53] | wagnerrp: | this is analog capture? |
| [01:04:58] | biffhero: | We always go on the schedule and record the following couple of shows, so that the games that go long will be captured. |
| [01:05:06] | biffhero: | Yes, this is analog. Only one analog tuner. |
| [01:05:49] | biffhero: | I need to teach The Boss that she can tippy tap away on that schedule, but if things don't "turn green", then ask me to look at them. |
| [01:07:32] | biffhero: | Oh, wait a minute. |
| [01:07:43] | biffhero: | "End Offset: 60 minutes late" |
| [01:08:44] | biffhero: | Time to schedule some remedial training. |
| [01:09:06] | wagnerrp: | nah, that's reasonable for a game |
| [01:09:22] | wagnerrp: | i usually schedule an hour extra for any show after a game |
| [01:09:27] | biffhero: | Yeah, it's fine. Yep. |
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| [01:12:36] | wagnerrp: | my monitor can sense when my hand is near |
| [01:12:55] | biffhero: | Your hand goes near your monitor? |
| [01:13:03] | wagnerrp: | if i'm repositioning it |
| [01:13:19] | biffhero: | Does it duck away, like the lamp in Pixar trailers? |
| [01:13:37] | biffhero: | Does it do the CRT magnetic field thing? |
| [01:13:50] | wagnerrp: | the buttons light up to indicate their location |
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| [01:14:09] | biffhero: | woah. This is a feature, not a "just how things are working" ? |
| [01:15:02] | biffhero: | that sounds cool |
| [01:15:03] | wagnerrp: | it's repeatable. i think it's a feature |
| [01:15:54] | biffhero: | do they fade on, or just go from 0 to 1? |
| [01:16:10] | wagnerrp: | full on, fade off |
| [01:16:40] | biffhero: | that sounds pretty cool. |
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| [01:17:05] | biffhero: | thanks for that --printsched option. |
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| [01:20:53] | wagnerrp: | and here just last week, i said to myself i would never need VGA again |
| [01:23:18] | Hydr0p0nX: | you still have a display that supports it though, right? |
| [01:23:59] | skd5aner: | bill6502: you still around? |
| [01:24:19] | wagnerrp: | five, even |
| [01:24:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | heh |
| [01:24:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | i think i have 5 too |
| [01:24:56] | wagnerrp: | i still use an old CRT in the basement for a local terminal |
| [01:25:09] | wagnerrp: | and i still use VGA with a KVM switch for test boxes |
| [01:25:17] | wagnerrp: | but i was speaking more in reference to my main PC |
| [01:25:25] | wagnerrp: | i never intended to use VGA on my main PC again |
| [01:26:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | oh |
| [01:26:30] | Hydr0p0nX: | what prompted it this time? |
| [01:26:51] | skd5aner: | bill6502: is mythmote packaged as part of mythtv frontend for android? |
| [01:27:05] | skd5aner: | bill6502: or does it only use it if it's installed independantly |
| [01:28:35] | bill6502: | skd5aner: it's part of the package, the tiny remote control (on a 45 degree angle) |
| [01:28:46] | wagnerrp: | the realization that just because i bought a new monitor doesn't mean i needed to get rid of the old one |
| [01:29:03] | wagnerrp: | and i don't have a minihdmi cable |
| [01:29:38] | skd5aner: | bill6502: thanks – I ask because I have it installed and use it a lot more now than before... so when I noticed it was "included" in the mythtv frontend I started playing with it, but some of the behaviors are different than the standalone |
| [01:29:44] | skd5aner: | like, very different |
| [01:29:45] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... look at that ghosting |
| [01:30:44] | skd5aner: | bill6502: I suppose I need to get a github account created and submit some bug reports :S |
| [01:31:17] | skd5aner: | bill6502: my guess, mythtv frontend for android uses an older code base of mythmote – they might need to update |
| [01:31:20] | bill6502: | the difference is that with MAF, the commands are send via the Services API, where with mythmote (standalone it uses the network interface) |
| [01:31:29] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [01:31:31] | skd5aner: | yea... |
| [01:31:36] | skd5aner: | well, for example... |
| [01:31:52] | skd5aner: | in mythmote, via the network socket control, it'll send the left/right up/down as such... |
| [01:32:41] | skd5aner: | but, within the embedded app (Via services API) it sends left/right as something else, because instead of jumping, it does rwd/ffd – so it's inconsistent |
| [01:32:45] | skd5aner: | and wrong :) |
| [01:32:59] | bill6502: | someone went to the trouble of documenting what all the keys send: https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Andr . . . Button-Codes |
| [01:33:02] | skd5aner: | I havne't dived in to see the exact commands it's sending, but it's obviously different |
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| [01:35:04] | skd5aner: | hmmm, that says left = left |
| [01:35:29] | skd5aner: | let me see what my keymappings say |
| [01:35:31] | bill6502: | I haven't done looked at it's code much. I do know that I can't exit out of the FE. And it sends an ESCAPE |
| [01:36:24] | bill6502: | haven't done looked? |
| [01:40:21] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [01:41:09] | skd5aner: | bill6502: yea, not sure... but when I push the left arrow in mythmote during playback, it skips back... if I push the left arrow in the integrated mythmote in MFA, then it starts rewinding |
| [01:44:53] | skd5aner: | just pulled the keyboard out, and left does do a skip as well... so seems like mythmote and the keyboard are in sync, mythfrontend for android is different |
| [01:45:37] | skd5aner: | let's see what happens if I send a random command via the HTTP API to the frontend |
| [01:46:48] | bill6502: | I don't know what context MythTV uses for the keys, never looked. |
| [01:47:41] | skd5aner: | bill6502: interesting... |
| [01:47:59] | skd5aner: | bill6502: I just sent a "left" via the API to the frontend, and sure enogh, it does a stickyrwd |
| [01:48:42] | skd5aner: | so, a "left" via direct keyboard does a jump back, a "left" via the frontend network socket does a jump back, but a "left" via the API does a stickyrwd |
| [01:49:46] | bill6502: | but if you're on a menu, LEFT works OK, if memory serves |
| [01:53:32] | skd5aner: | can't check right now – battery is dead :) |
| [01:53:37] | skd5aner: | but I could send it via http |
| [01:54:01] | skd5aner: | bill6502: seems to be a mythtv bug, not a mythfrontend for android one |
| [01:55:09] | bill6502: | http://ofc0:6547/Frontend/GetContextList is interesting |
| [01:57:44] | skd5aner: | bill6502: #11916 |
| [01:57:44] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11916 ** | |
| [01:59:19] | skd5aner: | bill6502: for jumppoints? |
| [02:02:38] | sphery: | skd5aner: do you have your LEFT/RIGHT mapped differently on different hosts for TV Playback context? |
| [02:02:54] | skd5aner: | no, only have 1 frontend |
| [02:03:08] | sphery: | i.e. have them mapped to RWNDSTICKY/FFWDSTICKY on at least one system and to LEFT/RIGHT on another |
| [02:03:26] | sphery: | I mean check your other hosts, too |
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| [02:03:29] | sphery: | like backend hosts |
| [02:03:51] | skd5aner: | only have it for 1 host |
| [02:03:57] | sphery: | "it"? |
| [02:04:05] | sphery: | how many hosts do you have in mythtv? |
| [02:04:16] | sphery: | including backends and frontends |
| [02:04:32] | croccydile: | Damn |
| [02:04:35] | skd5aner: | 2 hosts, but when I look at the keybindings page in mythweb there's only a single host listed |
| [02:04:48] | croccydile: | mythbackend seemed to have silently not recorded anything in the past 3 days here >< |
| [02:04:51] | croccydile: | No errors, no message, no thing |
| [02:04:52] | sphery: | so one is a dedicated backend and the other a frontend? |
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| [02:05:02] | skd5aner: | correct |
| [02:05:09] | skd5aner: | dedicated mbe, and a fe/sbe |
| [02:05:19] | sphery: | and your frontend is set up to use RWNDSTICKY/FFWDSTICKY, right? |
| [02:05:58] | skd5aner: | the keybindings for those are ,,< and >,. respectively |
| [02:06:14] | skd5aner: | oh, there is a setting for that too isn't it... |
| [02:06:22] | sphery: | no, no setting |
| [02:06:32] | sphery: | so that means your frontend has the default mapping |
| [02:06:34] | skd5aner: | there used to be a setting for sticky |
| [02:06:37] | sphery: | just trying to figure out what's where |
| [02:06:49] | sphery: | yeah, there's no setting for it now |
| [02:07:01] | sphery: | no need for a setting that says what keys do, since that's what key bindings are for |
| [02:07:04] | sphery: | :) |
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| [02:07:19] | sphery: | so what causes it to do sticky rew/ffwd? |
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| [02:07:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: that's a good question, hence my bug report :D |
| [02:07:53] | sphery: | what do you do to cause it? |
| [02:07:59] | skd5aner: | well... |
| [02:08:14] | sphery: | how do you initiate it |
| [02:08:18] | sphery: | how do I repro |
| [02:08:21] | skd5aner: | you can do this... |
| [02:08:32] | skd5aner: | http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=LEFT |
| [02:08:44] | sphery: | ok, so it does say, "Action=LEFT" |
| [02:09:18] | skd5aner: | yes |
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| [02:12:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: let me know if you can replicate it :) |
| [02:13:45] | sphery: | skd5aner: can you pastebin a quick: select * from keybindings where action like '%sticky%'; |
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| [02:16:03] | skd5aner: | http://pastebin.com/RSz4UgX2 |
| [02:16:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: |
| [02:16:21] | sphery: | that's all of them? |
| [02:16:27] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [02:16:31] | sphery: | ok, just making sure |
| [02:16:56] | skd5aner: | np |
| [02:17:00] | sphery: | and what do you get from http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=RWNDSTICKY |
| [02:17:06] | skd5aner: | got to run though, I'll check in a bit later |
| [02:17:09] | sphery: | sticky rewind? |
| [02:17:12] | skd5aner: | k, give me a sec and I'll try |
| [02:17:14] | sphery: | ok, just wondering |
| [02:17:23] | sphery: | if you need to go for now, that's fine |
| [02:17:59] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, it did a rwdsticky at 3x |
| [02:18:15] | sphery: | ok, so same as Action=LEFT |
| [02:18:18] | skd5aner: | sphery: wife is patiently waiting to watch tv :) |
| [02:18:23] | sphery: | hehe, go watch |
| [02:18:25] | sphery: | thanks for info |
| [02:18:33] | skd5aner: | yes, same "exhibited behavior" :) |
| [02:18:45] | sphery: | (and you can quit ffwd'ing/rew'ing her shows :) |
| [02:18:52] | skd5aner: | not sure what's going on under the covers, but from a UX perspecitve, no discernable difference |
| [02:18:58] | skd5aner: | heh :) |
| [02:19:11] | skd5aner: | have a good one, thanks! |
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| [02:20:56] | wagnerrp: | stupid easily accessible power button... |
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| [02:28:55] | sphery: | skd5aner: when you get a chance, I need to see: select * from keybindings where action like '%seek%'; |
| [02:30:38] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think it's actually doing what it should but you're comparing apples and oranges--it's sending an ACTION_LEFT but everything else is sending a Left /key/ |
| [02:31:10] | sphery: | skd5aner: now, whether the services API should send actions when everything else sends keys is a whole other question |
| [02:31:52] | sphery: | skd5aner: If I'm right, then you'll see that SEEKRWND/SEEKFFWD are mapped to Left/Right keys in TV Playback context |
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| [02:35:05] | sphery: | skd5aner: and http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=SEEKRWND will give you the behavior you're expecting of a Left key |
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| [03:06:15] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/JhEiiTVG |
| [03:06:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: and http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=SEEKRWND skips back 5sec |
| [03:06:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: IMHO, there shouldn't be any differences... if I send something called "left" – it should always act as a "left" universally |
| [03:07:02] | sphery: | well, the problem is that the 3rd party app didn't know what SendAction was |
| [03:07:08] | sphery: | it thought it was a means of doing a remote |
| [03:07:17] | skd5aner: | sphery: maybe, but I'm just a consumer of someone that uses that API... and, I wouldn't expect them to change the left arrow keey to the "seekwnd" action |
| [03:07:22] | sphery: | which just means we're missing a SendKey method in services api |
| [03:07:33] | sphery: | it didn't change anything |
| [03:07:40] | sphery: | you're not sending keys |
| [03:07:44] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [03:07:46] | skd5aner: | I see... |
| [03:07:58] | skd5aner: | so, there's a SendKey method as well? |
| [03:08:09] | sphery: | anyway, does http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=SEEKRWND work? |
| [03:08:16] | sphery: | and, no... 10.21 23:07:22 <+sphery> which just means we're missing a SendKey method in services api |
| [03:10:01] | skd5aner: | sorry, misread... got it |
| [03:10:25] | sphery: | yeah, it took me a while to figure out what SendAction was trying to do |
| [03:10:27] | skd5aner: | I cna't test the other action, but I'm sure you're right that it would do the correct behavior |
| [03:10:39] | bill6502: | Isn't this a key event? http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . end.cpp#n113 or is that another meaning of keyevent |
| [03:10:55] | sphery: | and I think when it was written, mark didn't really know/consider the difference between it and a SendKey method |
| [03:11:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: anyway, does http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=SEEKRWND work? |
| [03:11:25] | skd5aner: | so, a key, in essence, causes an action – but if you skip the "key" part all together, then it takes the action as literal rather than as a keypress which would be mapped to various actions |
| [03:11:27] | sphery: | if so, I'm right |
| [03:11:35] | sphery: | if not, we're wasting a ton of time |
| [03:11:46] | skd5aner: | <skd5aner> I cna't test the other action, but I'm sure you're right that it would do the correct behavior |
| [03:11:54] | sphery: | why can't you test it? |
| [03:11:58] | skd5aner: | wife is using the TV |
| [03:12:08] | sphery: | bill6502: any chance you could? |
| [03:12:16] | skd5aner: | hang on... I go piss her off |
| [03:12:19] | sphery: | hehe |
| [03:12:21] | sphery: | sorry |
| [03:12:30] | sphery: | tell her we appreciate her help with th eproject :) |
| [03:12:35] | bill6502: | yes, SEEKRWND does the back 5 secs |
| [03:12:43] | sphery: | yeah, so that's it |
| [03:13:06] | sphery: | it's actually sending an action rather than sending a key for the frontend to interpret |
| [03:13:18] | bill6502: | but, when i'm done watching SEEKRWND doesn't move the menu left |
| [03:13:48] | skd5aner: | sphery: yes, that did as expected |
| [03:14:08] | bill6502: | skd5aner: when you were watching the program, correct? |
| [03:14:12] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [03:14:26] | bill6502: | now try it when your on the watch recordings screen |
| [03:14:36] | skd5aner: | IMHO... why have many mechanism that send keys, but have the API send "actions" instead? |
| [03:14:45] | skd5aner: | Seems like all of them should use the same methodology |
| [03:15:18] | skd5aner: | bill6502: nothing happens, no movement of focus |
| [03:15:25] | sphery: | thanks for testing |
| [03:15:52] | sphery: | skd5aner: see http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11916#comment:2 |
| [03:16:27] | bill6502: | skd5aner: agreed, so we can't just change the arrows to SEEK... |
| [03:16:28] | sphery: | skd5aner / bill6502 : that's what it should do--if not in Tv Playback context, a TV Playback-only action will do nothing |
| [03:16:49] | bill6502: | reading..... |
| [03:16:52] | sphery: | we need someone to implement a SendKey method for 3rd party apps to provide remote/keyboard functionality |
| [03:17:59] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, that was a good writeup |
| [03:18:56] | sphery: | should be very easy to implement--as most of SendAction is figuring out the action/key mappings (which should be unnecessary for a SendKey) |
| [03:19:27] | skd5aner: | sphery: I'm assuming that the ticket can stay open as a defect given that it causes confusion with any 3rd party apps and can be considered either a deficiency or something that should be "Changed" ?? |
| [03:19:58] | sphery: | yeah, I didn't close it |
| [03:19:59] | skd5aner: | bill6502: right... I woudln't expect that would be a good idea at all :) |
| [03:20:08] | skd5aner: | sphery: cool, I appreciate your detailed analysis :) |
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| [03:20:46] | sphery: | I don't know if anyone else will, but I will agree that (especially as long as 3rd party apps are using it as a way of providing keyboard/remote control) it's a problem, even if not a bug |
| [03:21:01] | skd5aner: | ok guys – once again, thanks. I'll go deal with the wife who has stared at a menu for 10 mins now |
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| [03:21:36] | sphery: | and since SendKey should be easy for someone with a bit of time to implement, it could easily be changed to a Patch – Feature ticket :) |
| [03:22:21] | sphery: | I can't currently make it a developer task for myself as I'm a bit busy with wedding planning stuff |
| [03:22:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: well, even if you just break down the fact that socket control was built to use keys instead of actions for that purpose, then why would the HTTP API want to differ from that – what value does it provide to present it as actions rather than keys? |
| [03:22:47] | sphery: | yeah, we should have had sendkey first |
| [03:22:50] | skd5aner: | Very little value, and only confusion (I know, preaching to the choir) – but I'm trying to think out loud on a reason why you might want to do it that way, or have it differ and I can't think of one |
| [03:23:09] | sphery: | but having sendaction may make sense so that an app can directly control mythtv, regardless of user's key bindings |
| [03:23:18] | skd5aner: | sphery: you're own wedding?? |
| [03:23:23] | skd5aner: | er, your |
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| [03:23:46] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:23:49] | sphery: | :) |
| [03:23:51] | skd5aner: | Congrats! :D |
| [03:23:51] | bill6502: | congratilations |
| [03:23:53] | sphery: | thanks |
| [03:24:12] | skd5aner: | I was able to take a break here because we needed to feed our 4 week old baby... so lots of good news around here lately :) |
| [03:24:29] | sphery: | oh, yeah, I've been meaning to say congrats on that |
| [03:24:40] | skd5aner: | ah, wasn't sure if you knew... haven't really mentioned it |
| [03:25:09] | sphery: | I saw you mention that when I was catching up on some old stuff in scrollback, and haven't been around much to catch you and congratulate you |
| [03:25:20] | skd5aner: | ok... getting stink eye from wife... wondering why in the world I have her phone (to use mythmote) and why I stopped the show we were watching |
| [03:25:21] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [03:25:35] | sphery: | hehe, thanks again for looking into it |
| [03:25:38] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [03:25:39] | skd5aner: | night |
| [03:25:43] | sphery: | always nice to have someone who's very responsive about tickets |
| [03:25:50] | sphery: | and thank her for her patience :) |
| [03:25:53] | sphery: | good night |
| [03:26:51] | sphery: | and bill6502 , as for whether it's a key event, yes, but only because we designed the action handling to break down to key events, so it's basically taking an action name, getting the key for it, then sending the key event |
| [03:27:13] | bill6502: | tnx |
| [03:27:17] | sphery: | i.e. we had key handling first, then someone started abstracting it to actions, but left the key handling in place at the lowest level |
| [03:27:28] | sphery: | and no one has gotten around to completely abstracting it out |
| [03:27:35] | sphery: | (which makes the action system a mess) |
| [03:29:40] | bill6502: | fortunately, for the most part, it works just the oddity skd5aner mentioned and the inability to use ESCAPE to exit MythTV (exits all the screen below the top level.) |
| [03:31:22] | bill6502: | Completely different subject, you'll like this one. MythTV Android Frontend user couldn't get ANY recordings displayed. Turned out he hadn't set LANG/LC_ALL and the low level code MUST have UTF-8... |
| [03:32:23] | bill6502: | bless his heart, he looked at his logs and saw the message, after we started trouble shooting it. He has ISO -8858–1 on his host. Simple fix once we found it. |
| [03:37:26] | sphery: | bill6502: exit would need http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=EXIT (or EXITSHOWNOPROMPTS) while the user is in the Main Menu context |
| [03:38:20] | sphery: | hehe, wow, I don't know if I'd have guessed that symptom of not having utf-8 |
| [03:39:03] | sphery: | oh, wait, EXITSHOWNOPROMPTS is actually to exit a show (tv playback) without prompts, not to exit mythtv without prompts |
| [03:39:39] | sphery: | so http://frontendip:6547/Frontend/SendAction?Action=EXIT to exit mythfrontend |
| [03:39:56] | bill6502: | the java stack traces had references to a bad 'middle byte' and we found he had (fiancee<- with the accent.) |
| [03:40:49] | ** wagnerrp is completely confused by that statement ** | |
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| [03:42:36] | bill6502: | the accended 'e' was being sent in ISO-8858 ( as a single character .) We expect UTF-8. |
| [03:43:06] | wagnerrp: | oh, encoding issues? >127 byte characters? |
| [03:43:07] | sphery: | bill6502: but as for using SendAction to create a remote-like functionality, it's frought with danger as some people will use Left key to mean STICKYRWND and others use it to mean SEEKRWND and others use it to mean LEFT, and some use P to mean PAUSE (most do, it's toggle pause) while others use it to mean PLAY (which defaults to Ctrl+P and won't pause when it's currently playing) and similar |
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| [03:43:50] | ** wagnerrp would be happy to just stick with latin-1 for all ** | |
| [03:43:51] | sphery: | so really the android frontend and similar apps need a SendKey method to work properly with the services api (or just have to use frontend network control for creating remote/keyboard functionality) |
| [03:44:01] | wagnerrp: | those other languages don't really matter... |
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| [03:44:51] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: single byte, rather than a 3 byte sequence in this case |
| [03:46:50] | wagnerrp: | in other news... http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers. . . . ucture/70091 |
| [03:47:02] | wagnerrp: | man asks linux-media why he cannot capture his scrambled bondage porn |
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| [09:20:36] | wizbit: | i have a technical 'itch |
| [09:21:19] | wizbit: | i have 2x frontends. one of them shows the tv channel icons correctly |
| [09:21:38] | wizbit: | so i copied the channels directory located in /home/mythtv/.mythtv to the other frontend |
| [09:21:46] | wizbit: | but the other frontend still doesnt show the channels |
| [09:21:51] | wizbit: | icons |
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| [10:18:59] | stuartm: | wizbit: they need to be on the backend |
| [10:19:08] | stuartm: | in the directory belonging to the backend user |
| [10:19:44] | stuartm: | the frontend loads the icons from the backend |
| [10:21:11] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: these days that could just as easily be any music video :) |
| [10:25:51] | stuartm: | the paths in the database also need to use relative urls to the channel directory, not absolute |
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| [10:42:01] | Qwazz: | Hi All, I am having an "all tuners currently busy error", I have a Happauge PVR150 attached. On analogue channel scan works fine. I have a network recorder (IPVTV) pointing to avenard.org/...playlist-hls.m3u. Another issue noted today is that video scan in media library fails to find videos/changes. What could be causing the problem? |
| [10:44:06] | Qwazz: | Doing mythbackend -v general, shows listening on 127.0.0.1:6544. and further down it reads "Failed listening on TCP 127.0.0.1:6543 – Error 8. |
| [10:46:13] | Qwazz: | Doing mythfrontend -v general; launches F/E and in logs there's a line that says "response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." |
| [10:50:41] | wizbit: | stuartm: how comes 1 of my frontends icons work and the other doesnt work? |
| [10:51:05] | wizbit: | and how can i edit that channel path in the db? |
| [10:51:28] | Qwazz: | Could it be that my previous BE/FE on a desktop could be part of the problem. As of yesterday I am Mythtv repo 0.27 (thanks sphery :-)), so IP's on B/E correct, host name on F/E correct. After removing the other install should it have been part of the problem, what are the steps to get my current installation as master server therefore to look on the network for master backend connection (if that's what's happening with the 127.0 |
| [10:51:30] | Qwazz: | .0.1:6544/3 failed look up. |
| [10:53:01] | stuartm: | wizbit: I'm guessing because in the past you've configured the icon urls to point at the directory used by your frontend or something similar |
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| [10:54:04] | Qwazz: | Once this machine can scan the library, which I think should be resolved when the look up thing is resolved, it can tune in analogue live tv (terrestrial broadcast) and stream live IP streams as TV (e.g. RT/BBC World News) and share all of these to other frontend, I will have the perfect media box for my needs at this time. So please help me. |
| [10:54:15] | stuartm: | wizbit: you could instead just re-run the channel icon search in mythtv-setup, that should fix the paths and update the icons |
| [10:54:44] | stuartm: | you can edit the paths through mythtv-setup, but that might be a bit tedious |
| [10:57:13] | wizbit: | ace :-) |
| [10:57:50] | wizbit: | stuartm: also, how can i remove the old hostnames of old frontends ive used in the past? |
| [10:58:39] | stuartm: | you can't atm, but it shouldn't do any harm |
| [10:58:44] | wizbit: | aye ok |
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| [11:48:31] | Qwazz: | Also for a note, I had considered issue with rights accessing the card (hence busy), so I a+g=rwx on /dev/video* – this did not resolve the issue – tuner busy. media library scan not working – or backend somehow taking a shimmy and looking at incorrect file or something, can't imagine where the 127.0.0.1:6544/6543 look entry is coming from. I am on mythbuntu 12.04.3 with mythtv repo 0.27. |
| [11:52:14] | stuartm: | Qwazz: it sounds a lot like you've already got an instance of the backend running – it's locked access to the tuners and bound itself to the IP address, therefore preventing the second instance from accessing the tuners and the ports |
| [11:53:20] | Qwazz: | stuartm: how do I check, stop it and make sure only one master instance runs on the network? |
| [11:54:12] | stuartm: | ps -Af | grep mythbackend |
| [11:54:22] | stuartm: | killall mythbackend |
| [11:55:41] | Qwazz: | ps -AF grep | mythbackend shows one entry o mythbackend. |
| [11:56:39] | Qwazz: | sudo killall mythbackend or myth-backend returns no process found. |
| [11:56:54] | stuartm: | ps -Af | grep myth |
| [11:56:58] | stuartm: | anything else? |
| [11:57:32] | Qwazz: | | grep myth yields more entries not sure how to read it. |
| [11:58:13] | Qwazz: | I think there could be 3 process numbers 1857, 1860 and 3739 |
| [11:58:39] | stuartm: | ps -A | grep myth |
| [11:58:51] | stuartm: | is a clearer format |
| [11:59:08] | Qwazz: | they both seem to running in or from /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh |
| [12:01:14] | Qwazz: | also following a line /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu... both lines, just the numbers are different from line to line (I assume they are process ID's or something?) |
| [12:04:25] | Qwazz: | ps -A | grep returns to prompt. |
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| [12:12:41] | Qwazz: | stuartm: how do I confirm I have two instances and how do I kill them and ensure only one runs on boot? |
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| [13:19:35] | Qwazz: | stuartm, anyone, anyone out there? please help! |
| [13:19:36] | superm1: | Qwazz: only one instance should start on boot from the mythtv-backend upstart job, from a fresh boot you can double check that only one instance is starting with ps -Af |grep mythbackend |
| [13:19:58] | superm1: | now if you are running it manually or it's crashing other stuff may be happening |
| [13:20:11] | superm1: | and you'll need to investigate the log in /var/log/mythtv |
| [13:20:25] | superm1: | sudo stop mythtv-backend would stop the upstart job for you |
| [13:20:38] | superm1: | if you need to run it manually to debug something |
| [13:21:45] | Qwazz: | re-rebooting now and will run ps – AF | grep command. /var/log/mythtv has several logs in there which one? does mythbackend/frontend -v general not give the gist of the latest bit of the log? |
| [13:23:01] | Qwazz: | ps -Af | grep myth gives to lines, as before. |
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| [13:26:25] | Qwazz: | tuner all busy as before and library scan not working as before and mythbackend/frontend -v general yields same exact results as before. |
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| [13:33:07] | superm1: | can you pastebin the ps listing? |
| [13:33:40] | Qwazz: | Certainly; how do I copy to paste bin? |
| [13:34:11] | superm1: | you can actually pipe it into the command pastebinit |
| [13:34:31] | superm1: | like this: "ps -Af | pastebinit" |
| [13:35:40] | Qwazz: | that would be ps -AF | grep myth and then how do I get it to pastebin or run straight ps -AF | pastebin? |
| [13:36:36] | Qwazz: | ps – AF | pastebin "command not found" |
| [13:38:35] | Qwazz: | ps -AF | grep pastebin seems to tell me about pastebin (whether it's running or not) an entry is returned. |
| [13:39:00] | superm1: | pastebinit is the command |
| [13:39:27] | Qwazz: | so I'm thinking I run ps -AF | grep myth and then somehow send (copy/paste) that in pastebin? |
| [13:39:29] | superm1: | i believe it should be preinstalled if you are running mythbuntu, otherwise sudo apt-get install pastebinit (not just pastebin) |
| [13:39:52] | superm1: | that sends the output of the command through a unix pipe as the input into that command |
| [13:40:35] | Qwazz: | I think I have it and is running hence the return on ps – AF | grep pastebin? |
| [13:40:54] | superm1: | no not a grep on it |
| [13:41:04] | superm1: | it literally sends the whole command's output to pastebin |
| [13:41:45] | Qwazz: | when I run it as ps -AF | pastebin, I get "command not found". |
| [13:41:57] | superm1: | so this is literally the command: |
| [13:41:59] | superm1: | ps -Af | pastebinit |
| [13:42:13] | superm1: | notice the command is /not/ pastebin. it's /pastebinit/ |
| [13:42:53] | Qwazz: | okay seems pastebinit it not installed. |
| [13:43:17] | superm1: | ok so apt-get install that |
| [13:44:25] | Qwazz: | I just did and ran ps -AF | pastebinit and a url http://paste.ubuntu.com/6283005/ |
| [13:44:39] | Qwazz: | was returned. |
| [13:45:05] | superm1: | so you're not running a single mythfrontend or mythbackend according to that |
| [13:47:06] | Qwazz: | I had a BE/FE system on a laptop but have uninstalled yesterday. I have tried to access the B/E with other frontends including using xbmc. |
| [13:48:03] | Qwazz: | but otherwise the current machine is to be the master backend and should not be waiting on slaves (there aren't any at the moment). |
| [13:48:56] | superm1: | OK. well next thing we can do is check the mythbackend log if there are any errors with it, i can help you look if you pastebin that log |
| [13:49:07] | superm1: | pastebinit /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log would put that log on pastebin |
| [13:50:11] | Qwazz: | okay, running it |
| [13:50:26] | Qwazz: | 6283047 |
| [13:51:17] | Qwazz: | ps. wow, how do you even see how many backends or frontend from the previous log? |
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| [13:51:51] | Qwazz: | I think I've just pastbinit the /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [13:52:19] | superm1: | so in that first log you can just look for the word "mythbackend" or "mythfrontend" and see if anything is running |
| [13:53:32] | superm1: | so according to that second log i don't see anything within the last 30 minutes that tried to start mythbackend, how long ago did you reboot? about 30 minutes ago? |
| [13:54:21] | Qwazz: | At least, about 30min. |
| [13:54:56] | Qwazz: | Should I reboot and pastebinit /var/log/.../backend.log? |
| [13:55:20] | superm1: | you can just try to sudo start mythtv-backend at this point |
| [13:55:29] | superm1: | and see what changes in the log |
| [13:55:40] | superm1: | i dont see anything else that should likely be listening on 6543 running right now |
| [13:57:16] | Qwazz: | okay rebooting. in the command mythbackend -v general; there something about listening to 127.0.0.1:6544 and further in the log it reads failed listening TCP 127.0.0.1:6543. |
| [13:57:29] | superm1: | well so you not be running mythbackend -v general manually |
| [13:57:39] | superm1: | the job starts automatically from the upstart job |
| [13:57:46] | Qwazz: | mythfrontend -v general says something I about proto version being empty. |
| [13:57:51] | superm1: | if you want to run it manually you need to stop the upstart job first |
| [13:58:17] | superm1: | and a simple killall on the upstart job shouldn't kill it because it will respawn |
| [13:59:15] | Qwazz: | Okay rebooted. same issues 1) Tuners currently busy 2) Media library scan fails. |
| [14:01:41] | Qwazz: | Have just pastened backend.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6283095/ |
| [14:03:09] | superm1: | ok so it's trying to bind, then restarting it self because something is already running on port 6543 |
| [14:03:19] | superm1: | what does this yield: |
| [14:03:21] | superm1: | sudo fuser -a -v -n tcp 6543 |
| [14:03:32] | Qwazz: | Not sure about the upstart job, if it's not critical that I not worry about at this time, that'd be great. Would like get the two issues resolved and then as long as I watch live analogue tv and network streams, my box would perfect for me for now, feels so close :-(. |
| [14:04:23] | Qwazz: | sudo fuser shows man page I think? |
| [14:04:52] | Qwazz: | or run the flags -a, -v, -n alternatively |
| [14:05:13] | superm1: | all that command together |
| [14:05:26] | superm1: | the upstart job is what keeps mythbackend starting at boot and restarting if it crashes |
| [14:05:36] | Qwazz: | together it gives the man page foe the command. |
| [14:05:54] | superm1: | you sure you got it exactly right? |
| [14:06:09] | Qwazz: | -a "Specified filename tcp does not exist" |
| [14:06:14] | superm1: | i believe it should be the root of your tuner currently busy problem that the backend isn't staying running because it's not binding to this port |
| [14:06:41] | Qwazz: | I have is as sudo fuser -a-v-n tcp 6543 |
| [14:07:10] | superm1: | you need spaces |
| [14:07:12] | superm1: | like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6283125/ |
| [14:07:44] | Qwazz: | -v on it it's own still says "does not exists |
| [14:08:08] | Qwazz: | -n gives: 6543/tcp 1240 |
| [14:08:15] | superm1: | all the same command |
| [14:08:29] | superm1: | all the flags "-a -v -n tcp 6543" |
| [14:08:58] | Qwazz: | okay got it, I think it was finger trouble. |
| [14:09:39] | Qwazz: | output: 6543/tcp: mysql 1240 F.... mysqld |
| [14:10:24] | Qwazz: | I ran the command without spaces between the flags first time 'round. |
| [14:10:48] | superm1: | ok so that means that for some reason you have mysqld configured to bind to port 6543 |
| [14:11:07] | superm1: | normally it should be running on 3306 |
| [14:11:14] | superm1: | something you have installed or configured has changed that |
| [14:11:16] | Qwazz: | Where should it be binding 3306? |
| [14:11:31] | superm1: | 3306 is the default yes |
| [14:11:44] | Qwazz: | cause that's what was in the frontend port which I changed to 6543. |
| [14:12:24] | Qwazz: | Do I change it back in frontend to 3306? |
| [14:12:34] | superm1: | no, you need to change mysqld back to it's defaults |
| [14:12:43] | superm1: | the frontend will connect to 6543 on the mythbackend process |
| [14:12:54] | Qwazz: | so I must go into the file /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? |
| [14:12:54] | superm1: | the mythbackend process will connect to mysqld on 3306 |
| [14:13:02] | Qwazz: | and change the port there? |
| [14:13:10] | superm1: | wherever you made this mysqld bind to 6543 undo it |
| [14:13:15] | superm1: | probably somewhere in /etc/mysql |
| [14:13:51] | Qwazz: | I did it using frontend and frontend would have written to file, I think? Which file(s) I don't know. |
| [14:14:47] | Qwazz: | okay, so /etc/mysql/mythtv.cnf bind address is 0.0.0.0. |
| [14:14:55] | superm1: | that's correct |
| [14:15:05] | superm1: | since you have other machines that will connect to it with their mythbackend |
| [14:15:20] | superm1: | in that file there should be a port line |
| [14:15:34] | Qwazz: | /etc/mysql/my.cnf the port is 6543 |
| [14:15:45] | Qwazz: | should it be changed here? |
| [14:16:51] | Qwazz: | in /etc/mythtv/mysql.xtx – host name is correct and DBPort is set to 6543. |
| [14:16:52] | superm1: | yep |
| [14:16:58] | Qwazz: | In which file should it be changed? |
| [14:17:05] | superm1: | /etc/mysql/my.cnf should have the default 3306 |
| [14:17:11] | superm1: | that's what controls what mysqld binds to |
| [14:17:47] | superm1: | the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt actually doesn't do anything in new versions of mythtv, it's superceded by an xml format file config.xml |
| [14:18:52] | Qwazz: | There are more places in the file where port number appears, should all be changed to 3306? |
| [14:20:00] | superm1: | in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? yes |
| [14:20:11] | superm1: | you should not be binding to 6543 at all for mysqld |
| [14:20:47] | Qwazz: | bind address in this file to be left 0.0.0.0? |
| [14:21:02] | superm1: | yes since you have more backends |
| [14:21:33] | Qwazz: | ok, only two places changed. Do I need to reboot? |
| [14:21:44] | Qwazz: | 6543 to 3306. |
| [14:24:06] | Qwazz: | rebooting... |
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| [14:25:31] | Qwazz: | Now it has dropped to screen asking for country and language. |
| [14:26:03] | Qwazz: | I think I've seen this one and it loops. Should I go ahead and make the selections? |
| [14:26:18] | ctmjr: | yes |
| [14:27:08] | Qwazz: | on the next screen do I change the port to 3306? |
| [14:27:40] | ctmjr: | no do not change any port numbers |
| [14:28:36] | Qwazz: | I've just been through with superm1 and have changed the port number from 6543 to 3306 in my.cnf |
| [14:28:39] | superm1: | mythfrontend connects to mythbackend on 6543. mythbackend connects to mysqld on 3306. |
| [14:28:55] | superm1: | what you changed in /etc/mysql/my.cnf is the mysqld bind port to 3306 |
| [14:28:56] | Qwazz: | So, leave as it? |
| [14:28:59] | superm1: | Yes |
| [14:29:55] | Qwazz: | I gi through screen on clicking fininsh it falls back to the select country, language screen – looping. |
| [14:30:17] | superm1: | well wait a sec, that screen is that asking for backend connection details? |
| [14:30:28] | superm1: | and mysql user/pass/etc |
| [14:30:56] | superm1: | it may be appropriate to put 3306 if it's asking for mysql details. if it's asking for master backend details then it should remain 6543 |
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| [14:33:09] | Qwazz: | The initial screen is plain country/language selection. Next screen is "Mythtv could not connect to the database. Please verify... fields are hostname, which is correct, ping text toggle, port: 6543 dbase name: mythconverg, user: mythtv and password. |
| [14:34:04] | superm1: | ok so try 3306 in that |
| [14:34:09] | superm1: | it should be OK to put there |
| [14:35:54] | Qwazz: | This time after changing 6543 to 3306, it did not loop, F/E has opened with a system message saying "mythcontect – could not conect to master backend is it running? |
| [14:36:08] | superm1: | ok so you're making progress here |
| [14:36:19] | superm1: | have you already run mythtv-setup? |
| [14:36:24] | Qwazz: | Yeah :-) |
| [14:37:10] | superm1: | ok so take a look at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log now and see what the new set of errors is (if there are any) |
| [14:37:14] | Qwazz: | Yes. I setup 1 analogue tuner (OTA) and 1 network recorder (playlist-hls.m3u) |
| [14:38:29] | Qwazz: | pastebining /var/log/mythtv/backend.log |
| [14:38:54] | Qwazz: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6283283/ |
| [14:39:35] | superm1: | so the problem now with the backend is that it's connection information is wrong |
| [14:39:44] | superm1: | check in /home/mythtv/.mythtv for a config.xml file |
| [14:39:57] | superm1: | make sure that has the right port 3306 for mysqld and the right connectivity information |
| [14:41:11] | Qwazz: | I don't seem to have a file config.xml |
| [14:41:39] | DavidBrooke: | If I re-installed mythtv-backend-master...will it change the database or anything imp that would have an affect on how it currently runs? |
| [14:41:48] | Qwazz: | in /home/mythtv I have two hidden folders a .config and .mythtv |
| [14:42:16] | Qwazz: | in .config there's a file there called Trolltech.conf |
| [14:42:46] | Qwazz: | found it in /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [14:42:59] | Qwazz: | using nano to read |
| [14:43:32] | Qwazz: | what am I looking for in this file? |
| [14:43:52] | superm1: | Qwazz: so in that file there hsould be a DBPort line |
| [14:43:59] | superm1: | it should read 3306 |
| [14:44:01] | Qwazz: | it's a short file and there's a port number 6543 in it. |
| [14:44:06] | superm1: | so it was wrong there too |
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| [14:45:08] | ctmjr: | wait a minute your first mythbackend log has mythbackend version: fixes/0.27 [v0.27-54-gccf877d] www.mythtv.org then the one you just posted has version: fixes/0.25 [v0.25.2-15-g46cab93] www.mythtv.org |
| [14:45:12] | Qwazz: | Have changed it to 3306. |
| [14:45:40] | ctmjr: | how did you install 27 on mythbuntu |
| [14:45:51] | superm1: | he upgraded using the repos with sphery previously |
| [14:46:09] | Qwazz: | Not sure why, I upgraded from 0.27 repos yesterday and all the logs are from the same machine, which it to be be the master media server on the network. |
| [14:46:20] | superm1: | the log has old stuff too |
| [14:46:23] | ctmjr: | oh ok |
| [14:46:28] | superm1: | from 0.25, the stuff near the bottom is 0.27 stuff |
| [14:46:41] | Qwazz: | I used mythbunto control centre. |
| [14:46:46] | superm1: | DavidBrooke: no it shouldn't. it just is a meta package pulling in all the stuff |
| [14:47:35] | Qwazz: | Oh, so not to worry on 0.25 or 0.27 bit, as those are entries when the machine was on 0.25? |
| [14:47:44] | ctmjr: | yea just wondering how he got 27 in there did not know he upgraded |
| [14:47:55] | DavidBrooke: | I have a weird problem and was looking to see if re-installing may update files that may has gotten corrupted |
| [14:48:51] | Qwazz: | Now that I have changed the port number on /.mythtv/config.xml reboot, restart BE/FE? |
| [14:49:40] | Qwazz: | cd / |
| [14:50:05] | Qwazz: | Frontend still show unable to connect message – rebooting. |
| [14:50:13] | superm1: | yeah restart mythbackend or the box |
| [14:51:39] | Qwazz: | restarted the box F/E up no error messages. |
| [14:52:07] | Qwazz: | Media Library; video scan working :-) |
| [14:52:26] | Qwazz: | checking tuners... |
| [14:53:57] | Qwazz: | Tv tuner working – you guys #mythtv-users, sphery, superm1 are the best, you're the best. Now off to tinkle about and serve around my network? :-) :-). |
| [14:54:37] | superm1: | great Qwazz. curious what prompted switching things to 6543 rather than 3306? we should try to fix whatever resource led you down that path |
| [14:54:43] | Qwazz: | Thank you :-). |
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| [14:55:32] | DavidBrooke: | what networking does mythtv use? ie nfs or something else? |
| [14:56:29] | superm1: | mythtv has it's own protocol |
| [14:57:01] | Qwazz: | I think it's being 1) an enthusiastic noobie 2) The mysql bidings are not tight enough but otherwise a wonderful system :-) :-) a stalwart of software freedom. |
| [14:57:48] | DavidBrooke: | k ty |
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| [14:59:46] | superm1: | ok :) |
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