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Monday, October 21st, 2013, 00:06 UTC

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wagnerrp:

ni

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TheAsp:

ni!

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TheAsp:

i figured it out, it was set to change the resolution and i have vidmode disabled

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** TheAsp gives wagnerrp a shrubbery **

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haux:

sphery: thanks.

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haux:

I have a another idiot question :- ) The signal received from Motorola VIP2262 (Bell fiber) is it analogique or digital ?. I mean the signal sent using component cable to my tv

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haux:

?

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sphery:

haux: component is analog, but supports HDTV resolutions

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sphery:

you can record that using Hauppauge HD-PVR

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sphery:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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sphery:

and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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sphery:

make sure you get one of the ones that works in GNU/Linux, though

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haux:

thanks sphery

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jya:

wagnerrp: is there much point goint to SAS for a ZFS array over sata?

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haux:

I have already hd-pvr

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sphery:

haux: also, you may want to see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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haux:

but can't re encode and delete commercials

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haux:

so I am looking for a PCI/PCIe card with mpeg2 as output

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sphery:

yeah, we don't have a good H.264 cutter program

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sphery:

on the bright side, hard drive prices (at least in the US) are at the lowest I've ever seen them

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haux:

this is way I am asking before buying hvr-1600

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** sphery just bought a 3TB HDD for $99.99 **

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sphery:

(previously the best price I'd seen was $35/TB = $105 for a 3TB)

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ctmjr:

where

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sphery:

was a newegg weekend special

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sphery:

think just 18th and 19th, but will check

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sphery:

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Oct-0-20 . . . html#Storage

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sphery:

yeah, 48hrs only, promotion expires at 23:59 PM PT on 10/19/13 :(

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ctmjr:

plus free shipping better start reading them new egg emails

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haux:

the hvr1600 is compatible with Mythtv from the wiki. I will connect it to Bell's PVR (HD) as I used to do with the HDPVR.

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sphery:

yeah, if you get lots of computer parts, it's worth signing up fo rthem

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sphery:

I like to buy stuff before I need it so I can get it on sale (and I figure it's about time for a HDD failure...)

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sphery:

haux: that will work, but it will only be able to accept and encode in standard definition

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jya:

wagnerrp: the raid drive does look extremely similar to the green when it comes to electrical specs. same noise; exact same power consumption. the red are given a MTBF value though... now is that worth an extra $20 per disk...

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sphery:

basically, you'll get 480i60 (= 720 x 480 interlaced at 60 fields per second = 30 frames per second)

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sphery:

and it will be "tainted" by NTSC (the old analog standard from 1950) standards to make it worse than a digital 480i60

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haux:

Stange I am looking at Hauppauge web site

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haux:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html

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haux:

and no trace of limitation to 720x480

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sphery:

haux: they don't say it specifically, but the "Composite/S-Video and audio inputs, for cable or satellite set top boxes or VCRs" implies it, so to speak

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haux:

From the description (ebay): Watch and record all digital TV formats, including the highest definition 1080i format

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haux:

1080i isn't 1080xYYY > 720x480

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sphery:

as composite/s-video can only carry an NTSC-type signal

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sphery:

the 1080i on ebay is referring to using the ATSC/QAM tuner to directly write the (unencrypted) video stream to disk

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haux:

and what if I connect the Bell's PVRto the hvr-1600 using a coax cable

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haux:

not s-Video

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sphery:

the only way to use coax from an STB is to use the "channel 3 or channel 4 output" which uses an RF modulator to send an NTSC (analog, SDTV) signal out of the STB

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sphery:

(which many STBs no longer even support)

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sphery:

anything else would be equivalent to plugging the cable connection directly into the ATSC/QAM tuner--it will only allow you to receive the unencrypted stuff

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sphery:

you said Bell fiber, so are you in Canada?

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sphery:

if so, they may have more unencrypted QAM--here in the US it's basically all disappearing

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sphery:

but you'd want to talk to others who have the same provider as you

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sphery:

they'd know more than me

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haux:

but I am getting the signal from Bell's PVR it's not crypted

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haux:

and have to change channel using the remote

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haux:

which will be replaced by Hauppauge blaster later on

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sphery:

the general idea of a set-top box is to take the encrypted (or not) signal from the cable company and output something that any TV can display (therefore, it outputs unencrypted)

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sphery:

but only does it via certain outputs--generally HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composite, or RF-modulated (coax)

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haux:

yea

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sphery:

which all have limitations on what they can carry

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sphery:

where HDMI and Component can give you HDTV

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sphery:

but HDMI can have encryption or content protection

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haux:

I am disapointed that the Hauppauge 1600 can encode in mpeg2 in format>720x480

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haux:

can't encode...

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sphery:

yeah, basically the Hauppauge HVR-1600 is a Hauppauge HVR-1250 (ATSC tuner) and a Hauppauge PVR-150 (NTSC tuner + "NTSC-quality" encoder) on a single card

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sphery:

(where, really, it may have only one tuner shared between the two, where you can do either digital or analog at any given time, but not both?)

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sphery:

I don't remember if it's really 2 tuners or one shared tuner

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sphery:

but the analog is limited to the NTSC-like video :(

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haux:

I am in Canada so I guess all the videos are NTSC

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haux:

!

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haux:

no choice

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sphery:

and there aren't any MPEG-2 HDTV encoders I know of out there--and am pretty sure there are none at all that work with GNU/Linux

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sphery:

if you guys have digital (and/or HDTV) broadcasts in the area, you have ATSC

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clever:

i'm in canada and i happen to be getting mpegts directly over the modem

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clever:

but its got the usual conditional access encryption on it

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sphery:

yeah, the conditional access is the biggest problem

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sphery:

see that "Recording Digital Cable" page for more

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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clever:

and the secondary problem is that i dont have any mapping of channel to multicast address

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clever:

so i have to manualy tune each channel, then discovery the ip thru tcpdump

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sphery:

clever: don't they map it dynamically on most services?

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haux:

one questions guys I am lost . sorry. IF I use the hauppauge-hvr-2250 to get the input from Bell's PVR should I use the coax?

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haux:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html

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clever:

i dont think they are, but ive yet to decode a channel, so i cant verify it

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sphery:

meaning changing it depending on whether or not anyone is watching that channel?

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haux:

to encode in mpeg2 >720x480 format

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haux:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html

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clever:

sphery: multicast is smart, it doesnt have to do that

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clever:

the server sends a single packet out, and every switch in the path knows which ports need a copy

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sphery:

haux: the HVR-2250 is basically a dual-tuner version of the 1600 (and using PCIe vs PCI)

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clever:

so the server can be streaming a single copy of every channel, 24/7, and each switch in the town will split a perfect copy of the signal

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clever:

same as the old 75ohm coax network handled qam/ntsc signals, but purely IP based now

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sphery:

haux: meaning 2x digital ATSC capture or 2x ivtv analog (NTSC) encoder (where you have 2 tuners max, meaning each tuner can be used for analog or digital at any given time)

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clever:

sphery: ive put what i figured out on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fibreop

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sphery:

haux: the only analog encoder for HDTV that works in GNU/Linux (at least using standard V4L/DVB API) right now is the HD-PVR

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sphery:

clever: interesting. does seem they're encrypting (which all the US cable co's now have permission to do, too) :(

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clever:

sphery: the STB runs windows ce (with microsoft mediaroom) and just sits directly on the lan

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clever:

and that decrypts everything

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sphery:

wow, CE...

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clever:

yeah

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sphery:

I didn't know that still existed

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clever:

the master box has a ~200gig sata drive, to store all recordings

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clever:

its fat32, and cant handle large files

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clever:

so they made a custom file system thats inside 200 files, each 1gig large

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

I hate FAT, anymore

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clever:

the slave boxes can stream recordings from the master, via bare http, which contains mpegts with conditional access codes

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clever:

but the slave boxes can also run the multicast stream solo, if you didnt buy the PVR option

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clever:

no harddrive in the slave box, just a bit of flash, i think it downloads windows ce + apps at bootup

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sphery:

wow

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clever:

so you cant replay the queries or make your own

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clever:

nearly all of the http requests have a crypto digest in the http headers

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clever:

but the data is in the clear, and encrypted with their own junk

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clever:

they didnt use https, lol

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clever:

would have made things so much simpler

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sphery:

hehe, I'm pretty sure their goal it to make it not simple

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clever:

https would have given perfect security and been simple to code

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sphery:

for most companies, contorted means more secure

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sphery:

(despite lessons that prove otherwise, such as DVD's CSS)

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clever:

also, they give out a free ipad mini, and claim you can watch tv on the ipad

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clever:

and after you call in, they send you to the app store, to download 'twonky beam'

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sphery:

hehe

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clever:

all it can do is push youtube videos to the STB

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clever:

and if you turn the ipad off, the stream breaks

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clever:

and it cant rewind

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sphery:

hehe

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clever:

and the android twonky beam app, doesnt work

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clever:

the reviews on the play store say they broke it in the latest update

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sphery:

if only we had a standard for sending video content to random devices, including mobile ones

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sphery:

oh, yeah, it's HLS

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sphery:

oh, wait, you mean some people don't have iThings?

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clever:

it sounds like it was working under android

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clever:

and they broke it on purpose

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clever:

to force everybody to switch over

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sphery:

of course, since so many do, MPEG DASH will probably die

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clever:

sphery: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pv.twonkybeam read the reviews on here

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sphery:

(MPEG DASH = MPEG Dynamic Adaptive Streaming over HTTP)

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sphery:

i.e. a standard, but one that will likely never work because apple already uses HLS and likely won't support DASH

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clever:

ive ran tcpdump on the ipad app, it sends out half a dozen different queries on the upnp protocol

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clever:

for every type of box, including roku

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clever:

and several mdns queries to find apple stuff

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sphery:

so it's pretending to be random boxes?

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clever:

its trying to query every type of playback hardware it supports

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clever:

one by one

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clever:

over and over

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clever:

because nobody can agree on a standard

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sphery:

amazing just how messes up the whole thing is

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sphery:

yeah

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clever:

the youtube app on android + ps3, sends a video id over

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clever:

the ps3 then streams things directly from the servers

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clever:

turn the android off, and it keeps playing

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sphery:

and even on the "official standard" side, there's the WiDi one..

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clever:

the chromecast appears to do the exact same thing

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clever:

netflix app on the above devices, same thing

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clever:

but this STB and twonky, it passes all content thru the ipad

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clever:

so the ipad must remain active the entire time

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clever:

and your wifi must support double the video bandwidth (rx + tx)

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sphery:

Miracast, I guess is its name

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clever:

and apple doesnt allow apps to run with the screen off

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sphery:

active = screen lit up and battery draining?

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clever:

exactly

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sphery:

oh, yeah

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sphery:

wow

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clever:

so if you want to watch a 1 hour youtube video on the tv

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clever:

there goes 1 hour of your charge

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sphery:

I think the whole mobile video push is plagued with too much "because we can" and not nearly enough of "how would be the right way to do this"

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clever:

the chromecast and ps3 are much better, the android app is a control, not a video source

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clever:

the android app tells it what to do, and then it does it, on its own

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clever:

also, twonky can beam ipad movies and photos

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clever:

but, the STB doesnt support the format of either one

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sphery:

yeah, I had thought chromecast was just a miracast thing, but read more about it and it seems they're going a completely different way

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clever:

its basicaly a rasberry pi, with a pretty ui and decent software support

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clever:

the netflix and youtube apps under android can directly control it, loading any content

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sphery:

which is strange since miracast seems to be mainly appearing on android things, now

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sphery:

so I thought google would latch on to it

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haux:

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clever:

and the desktop app can stream any html5 video directly, exactly like twonky

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clever:

the desktop app can also stream the entire screen, for non html5 content (flash, silverlight, others)

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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clever:

if the desktop app is streaming an html5 video, you can change tabs without interupting it

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clever:

another broken thing

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clever:

under android, you use the youtube app, which goes by your google account (device wide)

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clever:

under the ipad, twonky cant touch the youtube app

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sphery:

haux: see the linuxtv link, above

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sphery:

there, you can find: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices

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clever:

so it has to open a browser inside the twonky app, with its own cookies

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clever:

so you have to open a 2nd session, inside twonky

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clever:

what else are they going to do with my google password?

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sphery:

haux: which shows it's ATSC (OTA) or QAM (cable) or NTSC (analog encoder)

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clever:

at a glance, it appears to just be a browser that tears out <video> tags and streams them to the STB

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haux:

thx Sphery

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clever:

ive checked, and twonky is also using a bunch of encryption, but something very weird is going on

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sphery:

haux: your best bet is to talk with people who use your service provider to see what they have

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clever:

sphery: let me find the url...

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sphery:

haux: and see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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sphery:

clever: is twonkybeam related to twonky upnp player?

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clever:

sphery: probly

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clever:

sphery: when the twonky beam app pushes content to the STB, the STB connects to https://twonky.tv.fibreop.ca

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sphery:

guess it's called "TwonkyMedia server"

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clever:

why is the STB connecting to an ISP server named after the app?

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sphery:

weird

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clever:

also, the ip!

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clever:

twonky.tv.fibreop.ca. 900 IN A 10.237.11.6

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clever:

the STB is connecting to this ip

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clever:

sphery: notice what subnet its on?

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sphery:

is that a special one?

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clever:

10.0.0.0/8 is local use only, same as 192.168.0.0/16

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clever:

the ISP is running their own private servers under that area of the network, and the routers are configured to bridge it into every lan in the town

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clever:

also, i was running my lan as under 10.0.0.0/24, the new router refused to use that network

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clever:

so i had to reconfigure the ip setup of everything in the house, took a month to find and fix everything

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clever:

sphery: now that i think of it, the twonky beam is a perfect example of this: http://xkcd.com/927/

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wizbit:

does mythweb come with a mobile template?

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louisdk:

I've uninstalled mythtv-backend from my frontend, but the database is still present. Is it possible to backup the database? the mysql_restore script doesn't seem to work.

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tgm4883:

wizbit, last I checked it does, but I haven't checked in a few releases. I can't imagine they removed it

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Qwazz:

Hi All, I have a strange problem beyond my newbie understanding, please help. Backend server (mysql) seems to insist on being on local host. Backend setup has correct LAN IP (under local and Master) on port 6543. But on entry backend says cannot connect to backend is it running? Is the IP address correct. I ran ifconfig in terminal, IP Address correct. In front-end same error "cannot connect, is it running, is IP address in mytht

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Qwazz:

v setup correct? Also worth noting the port on local had been 3306, which I changed 6453. But still had the problem. Changed everything to localhost and IP 127.0.0.1 error message goes way. I changed it back to the proper IP and error message returns message. Also mythbackend now says backend still running, changes won't take effect but provides an option to stop backend. At some stage the system was running with front-end point

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Qwazz:

to host name "localhost" whilst backend had proper IP. I have chanaged Host to LAN IP in (etc/hosts), I have changed the bind address in my.cnf (etc/mysql) and mythtv.cnf (etc/mysql/conf.d) as well as in Mysql.txt (/etc/mythtv). What am I missing that's causing the system to work on localhost only? Backend logs comfirms timeout on the proper IP address, so it can't find it, perhaps there's another that tells how to connect with t

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Qwazz:

he LAN IP.

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Qwazz:

Ps. It's a fresh install.

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sphery:

Qwazz: 6543 is most certainly /not/ the port for the MySQL database server--it's a MythTV mythbackend port, so if you set that as your DB port, nothing will work

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sphery:

you must specify IP addresses for the (appropriately named) IP address settings (i.e. "this server" and "master server" IP address)

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sphery:

you cannot use host names

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sphery:

if you use 127.0.0.1 (or ::1) as the IP address, you can only have a single machine in your MythTV system

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sphery:

so, generally, use real, routable IP addresses (and never 127.0.0.1 or ::1) for MythTV settings

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sphery:

but you can use localhost for the DB host name (on the system that's running the MySQL server, that is)

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sphery:

and you must have MySQL appropriately configured--meaning listening on network ports (which most distros disable by default), and with appropriate privileges specified (where privileges in MySQL are username/password *and* hostname/address based)

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Qwazz:

sphery: Have changed the hostname in frontend to LAN IP and port to original 3306. Without the port chnage the error persists and with the port change the frontend can't even see storage directories.

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Qwazz:

On the don't use ;;1 (local addresses) should the IPV6 section in /etc/hosts be commented out? I added the LAN IP and host name manually to etc/hosts file.

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Qwazz:

I commented out the 127.0.0.1 localhost line.

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Qwazz:

I am currently on a conbined BE/FE but wish to have other FE's and as such the IP address conenction is a huge headache. Also before re-installing I'd been trying to add a network recorder (all goes well in backend, channels listed) but then frontend fails to play (no signal lock) is the error message. So I think this all related to getting the database on the proper IP and ports and that's where I am falling short and in despara

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Qwazz:

te need for a solution.

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sphery:

Qwazz: you can have ::1 or 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts, just nowhere in MythTV configuration

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Qwazz:

Is the sequence of commands to ensure mysql is properly configured?

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sphery:

and, yeah, it sounds like the MySQL configuration is the root problem, here

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sphery:

unfortunately, how you configure it (and what needs changing in the configuration) differs from distro to distro

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sphery:

I will say, though, that a MythTV-based distro makes it as easy as possible

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sphery:

so, for example, using Mythbuntu is a great way to get started with MythTV

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Qwazz:

sphery: Yeah, I think it's insisting on playing on local host. Like there's a swtich I missed (like this machine will be used with others, which I selected at the begining of the install.) I am on fresh mythbuntu install.

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sphery:

(and note that "easy as possible" isn't necessarily easy--because MySQL configuration is the hardest part of MythTV usage (which is why we plan to remove the dependency on a MySQL server, eventually, in a (likely) far future version)

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sphery:

Qwazz: this is the most likely reason why only localhost can access the DB: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Modif . . . iple_systems

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sphery:

specifically the last part about "You'll also need to check that the "networking" feature of MySQL is turned on."

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Qwazz:

following link

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sphery:

don't jst copy/paste the MySQL commands into the mysql program, though

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sphery:

they'll likely do more harm than good

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sphery:

(i.e. you don't want multiple different access levels for mythtv user on MySQL, dependent on host name/address or you'll get the results you currently have)

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Qwazz:

sphery: I did a fresh mythbuntu install. in my.cnf line with ski-networking commented out.

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Qwazz:

and further reads; "#Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen on localhost which is... not less secure"

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Qwazz:

below follows an active line (not commented out) for bind address, which I have changed from 127.0.0.1 to proper LAN IP.

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sphery:

if you specify an ip address for mysql bind address, that mean you can only use mysql via network traffic entering on that address (or on localhost using unix sockets)

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Qwazz:

So how do I fix mysql, networking is allowed but seems to be looking at some other file perhaps for binding/IP? Nana8823

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sphery:

the default for the bind address is 0.0.0.0, which maps to all IPv4 ports

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sphery:

so likely you should just comment out the bind address setting

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sphery:

unless that host has externally accessible network addresses

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sphery:

or is using ipv6 (and if that's the case, I can't help you with configuration)

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Qwazz:

No am not using IPv6 but noted an entry ::1 in mythbackend.

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Qwazz:

Have changed frontend to localhost and port 6543 cause with 3306 even the video library dissapears.

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sphery:

that may be ok, depending on your system configuration... you may need to set it to blank, though, to disable mythtv's ipv6 usage if you have problems

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sphery:

if you really mean you changed the db port to 6543, you broke things (regardless of whether they look less broken or not)

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sphery:

if you say you changed the port that refers to the backend port in the initial mythtv configuration to 6543, it sounds like you changed back the "do not change this setting" to what it started at

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Qwazz:

I think I saw the bind address listed 0.0.0.0 which I had changed to LAN IP, not sure which file it was. But is it safe to say that in mythtv.cnf, mysql.txt and my.cnf the IP/bind address should be the LAN IP?

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sphery:

in MySQL's my.cnf, bind address should likely be 0.0.0.0 (the default)

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Qwazz:

leave port at 6453 or return to original 3306 though I notices that originally backend always had 6543?

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sphery:

in mysql.txt, it shouldn't be specified

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sphery:

I don't know what mythtv.cnf is

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sphery:

(it's some distro thing--maybe overriding my.cnf settings for mythtv?, in which case it should be the MySQL default of 0.0.0.0)

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sphery:

tell me what port you're talking about and I can verify the right value for it

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sphery:

in other words, what's the exact name of the setting

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Qwazz:

Ok mysql.txt no IP just DBName=localhost. Changed bind address in my.cnf = 0.0.0.0 – frontend hostname is 'localhost" backend is in LAN IP, problem can't connect persist. What the thing to do with the ports, 3306 does not seem to work 6543 seems to and it was the default listed on the backend from the get go.

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sphery:

when you say frontend hostname is localhost, do you mean the MythTV host name setting? If so, you shouldn't use that--give your host a real name that won't be confused with any other host on your network

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sphery:

DBName=localhost is fine (on the host running mysql server)

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sphery:

mysql.txt is deprecated and you should be using config.xml

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sphery:

are you using current MythTV version?

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sphery:

you should be using at least 0.26, though 0.27 is current

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sphery:

and with Mythbuntu, that means using Mythbuntu's LTS version, then enabling the 0.27 repo

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sphery:

see http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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sphery:

so, basically, mythbuntu 12.04 should be used right now

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sphery:

then enable 0.27

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Qwazz:

I am working on the Primary BE/FE machine and it is the frontend on the master backend that is not cnencting, so much so that even the backend now gives a message that it can't connect, the IP address is right, what's perculair is that it says backend still running.

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Qwazz:

I think the host name is my machine name, by frontend hostname I mean in frontend setup, general, under the hostname entry I have 'localhost'

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Qwazz:

oddly before this would get rid of the message but now even the backend-setup has it.

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Qwazz:

config.xml? Where is it and what do I do with it? ensure it's looking at local host, can I edit XML files with root powers through nano?

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Qwazz:

I think I am using .25 at least on enabling repos in Control Centre .25 was what was listed.

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Qwazz:

The image I used is for mythbuntu 12.04.3 LTS.

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sphery:

yeah, don't use localhost in frontend setup/General

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sphery:

if you're using 0.25, you probably don't have config.xml

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sphery:

but you should upgrade to current 0.27

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sphery:

it works better and you'll get better support

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sphery:

see the repos page

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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sphery:

and you chose mythbuntu version well--LTS is the recommended version

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Qwazz:

Would an upgrade to 0.27 getting everything pointing in the right direction, cause I feel now that there's a file I am supposed to update that will serve the right IP and connection settings for whether it's the native (local) backend or a remote (over IP on private LAN)?

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sphery:

and, fwiw, if this is your first setup of mythtv (meaning you don't have shows recorded or anything), it may be easier to reinstall mythbuntu 12.04 LTS, then enable the update to 0.27, then configure it

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sphery:

rather than trying to figure out what things got broken by all the things you tried changing to try to make it work and, therefore, what things you need to change back (and what to change them back to)

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Qwazz:

Have changed frontend settings/general to machine name e.g. "Isys-Media", still issue so now really hoping upgrading to current 0.27 can give some breathing room.

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sphery:

make sure you also use the same host name for mythbackend (in mythtv-setup's General) on the same host

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Qwazz:

I am looking at the repos page not sure what I am looking at. Do I go to mythbuntu-control centre and change the mythtv repo to 0.27 with the dropdown options?

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sphery:

I don't know the specifics, so I'll defer to that repos page...

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sphery:

it must explain things better than I can

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sphery:

you may need to read it or the FAQ or something to find out what to do

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sphery:

or ask in #mythbuntu\

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sphery:

er, #mythbuntu

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Qwazz:

Okay I can re-install but that would be like the umpteenth time, when would I do the ensure of the proper repos, post installation? with e.g. mythbuntu control centre?

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tgm4883:

Running to a meeting. Set it in the drop down in MCC, then do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'

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Qwazz:

Thank you.

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louisdk:

On a standard Mythbuntu 12.04 dist with Mythtv 0.27 I've a weird storage group setup with double entries: http://pastebin.com/3a1LB3E2 – I've only created the ChannelIcons entry myself. Why are some entries showing up twice both as 127.0.0.1 and hostname (louis-nettop).

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sphery:

louisdk: no idea how it got that way (if you didn't do it, then some script must have written invalid data into the DB or something), but you can fix it by running mythtv-setup on the master backend host and selecting a Storage Group entry (i.e. "Default", not a directory entry within a Storage Group directory list) and hitting DELETE (by default D)

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sphery:

do that for all SGs, then go back and re-create them with the proper directory entries (and it will create just one entry with the hostname under which you're running mythtv-setup)

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sphery:

and, really, you shouldn't need to configure Storage Group directory lists on any other host

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sphery:

also, I highly recommend not specifying a Live TV Storage Group

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sphery:

(it's better to put the Live TV recordings into the same directories/file systems as you put normal recordings)

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bill6502:

louisdk: note that it isn't *necessary* to have a ChannelIcons storage group. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons#Universal_Location was updated Friday (or Saturday.)

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bill6502:

I'd guess that at some time, you removed the entry in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1's hostname (or removed the default: <LocalHostName>my-unique-identifier-goes-here</LocalHostName> name in config.xml. I'll further guess that the double storage groups show up when using mysql, but not when using the MythTV GUI.

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Qwazz:

sphery: Thank you. dist-upgrade with 0.27 repos worked a charm. Thank you. My next problem is I have one tuner (network recorder /IPTV – pointing to avenard.org/...m3u), actual Tv card is PCI Happauge PVR150 (analogue). Channel scan works. On frontend it says "all tuners are busy". running $mythbackend -v general; says Failed listening on 127.0.0.1/6543 – Error 8, The bound address is already in use. Backend exiting... Bonjour:..

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Qwazz:

. On frontend -v general it says Protocol version check failure, this happens when the backend is too busy to respond or has deadlocked.... Could you please help!

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sphery:

Qwazz: for protocol version check failure, you almost definitely have something from the old version still in memory/running--easiest (and, IMHO, best) fix for that is to always reboot after an upgrade

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sphery:

Qwazz: as for the capture card setup, you'll need to go into mythtv-setup (and shut down mythbackend), and then in Capture Cards, choose "Delete all capture cards" (not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>")

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sphery:

Qwazz: then create a new capture card using "Analog to MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-150/250/350, etc)" as the card type

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sphery:

oh, and very glad that a) upgrading to 0.27 helped and b) tgm4 883 was around to help you figure out how to do it (he's one of the mythbuntu developers, so he knows /much/ more about it than I :)

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Qwazz:

sphery: So I cannot just have a networker recorder only without a signal (using) from the tvcard for analogue?

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Qwazz:

sphery: deleted all tuners, added anlogue one only (antena), channel scan picks up channels, but on frontend, as per the network recorder it says "All tuners are busy".

[19:40:55]

Qwazz:

Oh, also it asked so so nice to tun mythfilldatabse this time I said yes, and there was some kind of crash and another quick message about proto versions.

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sphery:

Qwazz: the IPTV tuner type is meant for tuning channels from (primarily one specific) cable TV provider that uses IPTV (originally developed against an implementation used by a cable company in France and not guaranteed to work with any other)

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sphery:

if you don't have an IPTV provider, you don't want that

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sphery:

when you set up your PVR-x50, it will be a recorder on that system that encodes whatever analog input it receives, but it's available to any machine on the network that has access to mythtv

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Qwazz:

sphery: no I don't want am IP provider, what I do want is to have RT, Al Jazeera, etc that I might usually watch on a browser coming elegantly through as it should as tv.

[19:48:38]

Qwazz:

I've setup the analogue tuner, still get all tuners are currently busy.

[19:50:28]

Qwazz:

Oh on reading up on streaming: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . ing_Recorder

[19:51:10]

Qwazz:

which had I link with channels, I watched through a browser at http://avenard.org/...

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Qwazz:

Could this be a rights things; say either to the actual card for the tuner services [where would I check] and if mythtv were not in a group that group howdo I add it or my user or permission to working folders, if so which folders, what should there permissions. I hope I am not detracting.

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sphery:

oh, I don't know anything about the HLS recorder stuff

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sphery:

but for the PVR-500, you'll need the MPEG-2 encoder tuner type set up with the user running mythbackend have permissions on the device (which should be /dev/videoX (where X is some number like 0)

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sphery:

and the user running mythbackend will also need read, write, and execute permission on whatever directories you've configured in your Default (and/or Live TV and/or any other custom) Storage Group

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sphery:

the "failed listening on" may have something to do with the protocol version error

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sphery:

so if you haven't, yet, I recommend a reboot

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sphery:

Qwazz: ^^^

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Qwazz:

Looks permissions are crw-rw----+, owner is root

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Qwazz:

I did reboot.

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Qwazz:

rebooting again...

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Qwazz:

sudo reboot

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Qwazz:

post reboot: "All tuners are currently busy". On backend still had; Failed listening on TCP 127.0.0.1:6543 – Error 8, The bound address is already in use and I anticipate the fontend will be saying something about proto version.

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sphery:

that sounds like you're running multiple mythbackend programs

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Qwazz:

Why is it looking at 127.0.0.1, should I change this if so where cause backend as proper LAN IP and frontend as proper hostname.

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Qwazz:

I mean the backend has the right/proper LAN IP and the frontend is running happily on the right/proper hostname.

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Qwazz:

ports and everything is in order. But somehow with the live tv bit in mythbackend -v general 127.0.0.1 is reference and it appears to be a cause for failure?

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Qwazz:

No, just the one.

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Qwazz:

If I did, say I had a machine i had installed before settling on one, and have installed as primary backend. And then I intend installing mainly frontends but I think specific function backends might not be far fetched an idea.

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Qwazz:

Okay, got it. Uinstalling it now – it was BE/FE combo running on a desktop.

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sphery:

Qwazz: I think that's saying mythbackend is unable to bind to 127.0.0.1:6543 because something else is using that port

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sphery:

mythbackend will bind to the specified routable address and 127.0.0.1 if you specify any ipv4 address

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sphery:

(meaning if you specify 127.0.0.1, it will only listen on 127.0.0.1--but it always needs to listen on 127.0.0.1 for the various mythtv programs that run on the same host)

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Qwazz:

Not sure I understand. I am uninstalling the Desktop BE/FE so that there's nothing else on the nework. i.e. one backend/with frontend.

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sphery:

you should still specify a real address

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tgm4883:

Qwazz, he means it's running on the same machine

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Qwazz:

So in other words, whilst the current installation 0.27 is got all the right IP addresses, it's returning a message from a 0.25 instllation with a bakend on the network, which is still looking at 127.0.0.1?

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sphery:

mythbackend will listen for network requests on that address and on 127.0.0.1

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sphery:

oh, right--what tgm4883 said

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tgm4883:

you should be able to check via ps or netstat is a backend is already running

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sphery:

(sorry, I missed our disconnect)

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sphery:

that's 2x that tgm4883 has been here to save me :)

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sphery:

thanks

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** tgm4883 tips hat **

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Qwazz:

I have specified a real address in backend setup and frontend is resolving the proper hostname.

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Qwazz:

tgm4883: Hi :-)

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Qwazz:

The issue sets in with network recorder or analogue tuner in frontend, giving the message "All tuners are currently busy" – doing a mythbackend -v general brings up this listening to 127.0.0.1:6544 and 6543 fails error – 8. Thought I'd try and explain again, if that's okay.

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tgm4883:

Qwazz, why are you trying to start it like that?

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Qwazz:

Hi All, am having all tuners busy error, incase the issue was rights, =rwx dev/video*, could this solve the problem or cause problems?

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Qwazz:

Does not solve the problem :-(.

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Qwazz:

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skd5aner:

bill6502: hey, downloaded the latest beta version today.... it has a cancel button and works PERFECT

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skd5aner:

I saw you commited something a few days ago.. thanks a bunch!

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bill6502:

1 out of 3 (the hostname doesn't seem to be available at the time of the dialog, not sure why and I chose not to do a timeout 'cause there's probably no correct number of seconds/minutes to wait)

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bill6502:

But, good to hear. As expected, I couldn't test that with my tablet. I have no phone/data plan and just stopping the backend didn't duplicate your observation (the dialog would display for less than a second.)

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skd5aner:

bill6502: well, a hostname would be nice. I'd like the dialog box to say weither it's connecting ot the "away" profile or the "home" profile – Right now, I don't believe it says until you cancel out and look at what's selected

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skd5aner:

that's low hanging fruit though – the cancel button is perfoect

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skd5aner:

and, I'd say that the timeout might be something like 10 seconds, max?

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skd5aner:

if it can't connect in 5–10 seconds, I doubt it's going to

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skd5aner:

60 seconds – no one is going to sit around for 60 seconds waiting

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